| An Aboriginal curse on Australia’s Prime Minister? |
| Thunder from down under |
An Aboriginal curse on Australia’s Prime Minister?
A Queensland Indigenous leader says an ancient Aboriginal curse placed on Prime Minister John Howard is no laughing matter and could even have deadly consequences.
Suspended Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commissioner (ATSIC) chairman Geoff Clark was with a group of Aboriginal people who performed a ceremony known as pointing the bone at Mr Howard at Colac in south-west Victoria this week.
Indigenous rights campaigner Bob Weatherall says Aborigines believe that to point a bone at someone is strong enough to cause death.
He says John Howard has pushed Aborigines too far with his plans to abolish ATSIC and now they are using everything they have to fight back.
"You can't take it any other way, when somebody says and actually does the pointing of the bone then you have to take it as serious, you don't take it as a gimmick," he said.
"You don't think that it's not going to happen, you have got to respect that."
Source: ABC News, Australia
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| Divider |
White power!! I guess I'm a racist. However, during the reign of the Boers and the Apartheid doctrine, South Africa was a land to be lining in, now they have the largest rape rate, AIDS epidemic, huge increase in murders and thefts etc.
Prison population ratio in Angola state prison, Louisianna, USA, approx.75 - 80% blacks and hispanic...
Maybe it is the same with the aborigines. They are dark skinned.
Maybe the wold shoud reinstitute slavery. Cheap labour and such. |
| Bicho |
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Originally posted by OooOo
iskreno me mrzi da chitam dolgi postovi ...
Ha ha, poshtujem! [;)] |
| slasa |
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Kaj si ma Advokatke ne ni dostiogase dosega an se mazi [:)] |
| mafisKumA |
on stvarno imat naprajeno mnogu stvari protiv the indigenous people, good on them za sto mu stavile kletva
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| Legal-Eagle |
Jules, i beg to differ. Please explain! The fact that the Aborigines have comprehensive medical cover, free education, lower interest rates on any home loan, are given free living accommodation, free dental (eg my braces cost my parents thousands of $$ how much for an Abo's - $0) I am so over the bullshit that surrounds the hoopla about the mistreatment of the Aborigines that I am tempted to launch a Clean Up Australia Campaign and send them all abroad.
They as a race are a complete menance to society, forever complaining that they have been hard done by, clogging up our legal system with unfair dismissal claims, discrimination claims, compensation claims, not to mention any other claim they can find. The world is thousands of years old. Europe and other continents developed culture, discovered new worlds,the arts, the theatre, literature and were civilized centuries before the Aborigines ....
If you want my opinion if it wasn't for "white man" (who had done them so wrong) they would still be hunting with spears and wearing loincloths, instead of wearing the latest nikes and owning mobile phones and ipods!
.... So please give me a break. Hard done by..... my proverbial!!!! |
| Divider |
quote:
Originally posted by Legal-Eagle
No that is not entirely true Julie, Matter of a fact it is NOT true at all. NO ONE has forced them to live in communes, they do this of their own free will. They were given government housing and what they did was rip up the carpet and floor boards and set them alight.
The Legal system is sick and tired of them. They are their own worst enemies! As far as deaths in custody, i believe that i have enough knowledge and experience to state it is no where as bad as the media reports.
Julie i have dealt with Aboriginal people while doing my time at the DDP, that said, at times they are all tarred with the same brush, but this is not because of the minority but of the majority! They sensationalise everything. They know their rights and they exploit them for what they can.
A few weeks ago I was approached by an young aboriginal youth at the Crown and Anchor pub where i socialise, he asked me for a cigarette in the rudest of manners, and i politely asked him his age and declined to give him a cigarette as it would not have been responsible of me to do so. He walked away spitting profanities, and then kicked the passenger door of my mercedes that was parked right out the front (obviously not knowing it was mine). When an off duty policeman apprehended him the little turd flattly denied it and proceeded to claim that he was being harrassed because he was an Aboriginal and that he was going to file a civil action against the off duty policeman. Please dont ask me to entertain the thought that they are victims of western society. They are just victims of themselves! That said, there are a few friends that i have of indigenious background that are absolutely wonderful and delightful and furthermore have capitilise on the opportunities afforded to them and even have a uni degree, but let me stress, these people are in the MINORITY!
I can give you countless encounters that i have had with them and the most heartbreaking was in Katherine where a bunch of local Abos destroyed some of the most magnificent mango crop of the year. When asked why? .... they replied because you white mother f*ckers dont own this land it belongs to us. YEAH, great reason to destroy the livelihood of one of Australia's most reknowned growers!!!
How many riots have they caused when being under the influence? Furthermre medical reports have shown that alcohol and Abos are a dangerous cocktail, more dangerous and sinister than any other race.
I know that it is not my place to comment on this, but they (the Aborigines) sound a lot like the Albanians from Kosovo and west MK to me. Except for the curses, ours just declare free zones, hahaha.
As it is, from the posts, looks like: Margaritas ante porcas!!
However, the truth stands, they complain too much, give almost nothing back to the society.
Yup, like our Albanians!! |
| Great_Macedonian |
i just want mafiskuma to stick to her promise .. i da dojdit da me galit :) |
| Legal-Eagle |
quote:
Originally posted by mafisKumA
Mary you have some very valid points but by the same token you could be describing youths from a number of cultures.
Basically I believe that the majority of indigenous people have been wrongly done by. They have been shoved by the wayside as outcasts. It's the easy way out to let them live in remote outback areas and just keep up their supply of alcohol with the hope that they will drink themselves to death. Out of sight out of mind, right?
Also if the health services they are provided are so fantastic than why is it that their life expectancy is far less than ours? According the Australian Bureau of Statistics "In 1998-2000, life expectancy for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples was shorter by 21 years for males and 20 years for females, compared with the total population." http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/[email protected]/0/cd784ff808c14658ca256bcd008272f6?OpenDocument
P.S. kuma is not a fan of Howard
I am glad that you brought this one up. I was going to omit the results of a study conducted several years ago, that i dont believe was made public knowledge, and i can not recall how i stumbled upon it.
Basically the report was about the different races among us. White, Black, Red and Yellow and then was further disected. What i found quite surprising and has remained with me so long is that studies showed that the White were intellectually superior, that the blacks were physically superior, but poor swimmers, and that the Aborigines faired the lowest in every category. It further went to describe their genetic make-up and how they compared to the rest of the races, the amazing fact was that as an overall observation their life expectancy was the lowest of all.
I dont believe that they do not have access to great health facilities, but humans can not help what nature or evolution has created! |
| OooOo |
ima reakcija od John Howard? |
| mafisKumA |
Mary you have some very valid points but by the same token you could be describing youths from a number of cultures.
Basically I believe that the majority of indigenous people have been wrongly done by. They have been shoved by the wayside as outcasts. It's the easy way out to let them live in remote outback areas and just keep up their supply of alcohol with the hope that they will drink themselves to death. Out of sight out of mind, right?
Also if the health services they are provided are so fantastic than why is it that their life expectancy is far less than ours? According the Australian Bureau of Statistics "In 1998-2000, life expectancy for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples was shorter by 21 years for males and 20 years for females, compared with the total population." http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/[email protected]/0/cd784ff808c14658ca256bcd008272f6?OpenDocument
P.S. kuma is not a fan of Howard
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| Thief |
quote:
Originally posted by Divider
I know that it is not my place to comment on this, but they (the Aborigines) sound a lot like the Albanians from Kosovo and west MK to me. Except for the curses, ours just declare free zones, hahaha.
As it is, from the posts, looks like: Margaritas ante porcas!!
However, the truth stands, they complain too much, give almost nothing back to the society.
Yup, like our Albanians!!
Maybe they look like "out" Albanians but there is one big difference between them: Albanians aren't native inhabitants of regions where they live now in west part of Macedonia.
On the contrary, Australia was there (Aborigines’) country before Europeans came on the “new land”.
Sorry for my bad English, I hope that it wasn’t that bad :)
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| Legal-Eagle |
No that is not entirely true Julie, Matter of a fact it is NOT true at all. NO ONE has forced them to live in communes, they do this of their own free will. They were given government housing and what they did was rip up the carpet and floor boards and set them alight.
The Legal system is sick and tired of them. They are their own worst enemies! As far as deaths in custody, i believe that i have enough knowledge and experience to state it is no where as bad as the media reports.
Julie i have dealt with Aboriginal people while doing my time at the DDP, that said, at times they are all tarred with the same brush, but this is not because of the minority but of the majority! They sensationalise everything. They know their rights and they exploit them for what they can.
A few weeks ago I was approached by an young aboriginal youth at the Crown and Anchor pub where i socialise, he asked me for a cigarette in the rudest of manners, and i politely asked him his age and declined to give him a cigarette as it would not have been responsible of me to do so. He walked away spitting profanities, and then kicked the passenger door of my mercedes that was parked right out the front (obviously not knowing it was mine). When an off duty policeman apprehended him the little turd flattly denied it and proceeded to claim that he was being harrassed because he was an Aboriginal and that he was going to file a civil action against the off duty policeman. Please dont ask me to entertain the thought that they are victims of western society. They are just victims of themselves! That said, there are a few friends that i have of indigenious background that are absolutely wonderful and delightful and furthermore have capitilise on the opportunities afforded to them and even have a uni degree, but let me stress, these people are in the MINORITY!
I can give you countless encounters that i have had with them and the most heartbreaking was in Katherine where a bunch of local Abos destroyed some of the most magnificent mango crop of the year. When asked why? .... they replied because you white mother f*ckers dont own this land it belongs to us. YEAH, great reason to destroy the livelihood of one of Australia's most reknowned growers!!!
How many riots have they caused when being under the influence? Furthermre medical reports have shown that alcohol and Abos are a dangerous cocktail, more dangerous and sinister than any other race.
With all of the above said, i do not want to take from them the achievements that some have made in the sporting arena, in literature, music and some of the other arts, but they are not as memorable as the personal experiences that i have had to endure.
If i am sounding like i am racist, well then i must be, for there is not enough tea in china to make me change my mind! |
| OooOo |
So what?? You are being racist big time now. They are still natives and they can do whatever they want on their own territory. That's how they live and maybe that's how they wanna live and maybe they don't want and don't need help at all from 'whites'.
If you don't like it, move from AU and move your mercedes with you too (remember you are the immigrant!?!?!!). That was your suggestion to immigrants who don't like their new life in AU (check archives on this forum), so maybe you should reconsider your opinion, eh? |
| Legal-Eagle |
quote:
Originally posted by OooOo
So what?? You are being racist big time now. They are still natives and they can do whatever they want on their own territory. That's how they live and maybe that's how they wanna live and maybe they don't want and don't need help at all from 'whites'.
If you don't like it, move from AU and move your mercedes with you too (remember you are the immigrant!?!?!!). That was your suggestion to immigrants who don't like their new life in AU (check archives on this forum), so maybe you should reconsider your opinion, eh?
You've missed the whole entire point as per usual. I never denied being racist, i suppose i do possess an element of it. Call it a personal flaw. What irks me is that they do what they want and how they want and where they want with total disregard for others, not just for those who have settled here but against their 'own'. I am sick and tired of forking out money day after day to subsidise their drinking and drug problems (stated fact in Attorney Generals report)where taxpayers money can be spent on better education, health, etc etc for the better of everyone in Australia and to offer aid assitance abroad.
We as 'settlers' (used loosely and yet to be defined) afford them the greatest of respect, our government system, health system, education system and whatever other system we have is at their disposal, and most are unwilling to even show respect towards that. Respect is NOT a one way street.
Urinating on and defacing peoples' private and public property is a total disregard in any sense, but hey, they are aborigines, it is their country and they can do whatever they like and if i dont like it i can leave Let them rape, destroy, pillage and make total public nuisances out of themselves, that's the way every country should allow their native inhabitants to behave, what a wonderful world we would live in.... Yeah Right, that solves all the issues facing Australians.
If you think that i am even remotely exaggerating their public behaviour (as a whole) then you are saddly mistaken. Once again i stress that there are exceptions in every case.
Once again, Bravo. Great reasoning applied where common sense prevails!! Correct me if i have misinterpreted your post on what is acceptable behaviour and to what extent should people in general, regardless of race, tolerate offensive and anti-social behaviour?
Maybe the fact that they CHOOSE to live in communes is not such a bad idea in central australia, they can run naked and hunt with spears to their hearts content and i would not bat an eyelid, but to hold protests that they dont have mobile phone reception in that area and to claim that telstra is discriminating against them by not having mobile phone reception is ludicrous!!!!!!!!! Let alone their constant complaints about not having enough hospitals in the area, theatres, restaurants and pubs... i am sure these are all luxuries that they would be enjoying if Australia was never settled by the "white man".
In closing, the interesting and operative word is immigrant. I did not migrate to Australia, my mother did not migrate to Australia either, but my father did. It is by no means a secret that i do not feel an affliation to any other nation other than the one that i reside in. Australia is my birth right and will forever remain so.
Where i have posted comments to the effect that if you dont like it leave, that was directed to people who by free choice/will migrate to other countries and while blatantly exploiting the country have the audacity to whinge and whine. Surely any sane person would find that infuriating? Once again i will offer you the opportunity to prove me wrong or narrowminded or whatever adjective you desire.
Without making a mountain out of a mole hill, our society is faced with some serious issues in relation to co-inhabitation with Aborigines. Seriously, what type of person/people would wish harm let alone death on anyone as they have publicly declared on the Prime Minister? For your information and those who are interested Mr Howard is as fit as a fiddle and doing fine. (Masala da ne go zarecamn ili pocudam) |
| Legal-Eagle |
Oh Hello
I've been ...hmmm... how would the Aborigines put it... WALKABOUT ... very busy with work and very busy travelling around the countryside and abroad. Trying to keep off the streets and out of trouble. On holidays at the moment for a few weeks so I am catching up on all the "things" that i have not been able to attend to for months.
Nice to see that you are fine and that at least someone misses me or maybe not!
Cheers[:X] |
| OooOo |
quote:
Originally posted by Legal-Eagle
I am so over the bullshit that surrounds the hoopla about the mistreatment of the Aborigines that I am tempted to launch a Clean Up Australia Campaign and send them all abroad.
Samo nemoj da zaboravash deka ti si DOJDENEC na NIVNA zemja, a ne oni na tvoja. |
| dbk |
Abe toa za kletvata oddamna bese :) |
| Legal-Eagle |
quote:
Originally posted by OooOo
quote:
Originally posted by Legal-Eagle
I am so over the bullshit that surrounds the hoopla about the mistreatment of the Aborigines that I am tempted to launch a Clean Up Australia Campaign and send them all abroad.
Samo nemoj da zaboravash deka ti si DOJDENEC na NIVNA zemja, a ne oni na tvoja.
Point taken and respected. The opportunities granted to them far outweigh any so-called injustices. Their quality of life exceeds even the Elders expectations. |
| mafisKumA |
Majority of the indigenous people have been forced to live in what we would classify as uninhabitable communes as social outcasts. They have not been welcome to fully integrate within our society and are looked upon as parasites.
The legal system holds them in constant contempt and is evidenced by the number of deaths in custody.
Mary, I agree that they have been shown some favouritisms but I think that it’s a small price to pay as compensation for what we have stolen from them and deprived them of.
To quote “Midnight Oil”
The time has come
To say fair's fair
To pay the rent
To pay our share
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| OooOo |
iskreno me mrzi da chitam dolgi postovi ... |
| AaaAa |
quote:
White were intellectually superior, that the blacks were physically superior, but poor swimmers, and that the Aborigines faired the lowest in every category.
Please tell me that you don’t buy this?
It was a nice "study" used by the White Americans during the civil rights movement to "prove" something, well the same actually, with similar intent, but toward a different group. We all know how that is seen upon nowadays in the USA and how disturbing and embarrassing it sounds every single time it is brought up.
There are yet to convince me that there can be a general genetic make up that speaks to intellectual or any other capacities of particular people. I believe that has been scientifically disregarded as an option long time ago.
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| OooOo |
quote:
Originally posted by Divider
Prison population ratio in Angola state prison, Louisianna, USA, approx.75 - 80% blacks and hispanic...
Dali mozhda si razmislil deka juzhnite drzhavi vo amerika (osven Florida) se anti-crnechki raspolozheni i deka seushte postojat hilbili? Razmisli i tamu kje go najdesh odgovorot ... ustvari imame nekolku chlenovi na forumot koj zhiveele vo tie kraishta pa verovatno mozhat ova i da go potvrdat! |
| Divider |
Имами јас бидено таму и работано. Ај ем онорари мејер президент оф тхе сити оф Батон Руж, париш оф ист Батон Руж. Неееее, антицрнечки, јоооок пријателе. Ич. Маме си ебале, особено околу Гонзалес. Ама и покрај тоа, она црњине навистина заебаваат, особено во јужните хилбили држави. И да не сум чул лошо за Луизијана, најбоља е у САД, побоља здравје.
Но шега на страна, бидејќи видов и работев со пандурите на еден курс, забележав (не генерализирам) дека навистина се лежи лебу да те јада,м, само чекаат помош од државата, се жалат дека прадедовците им биле робови...Ништо не сакаат да работат. Чест на исклучоците, ама кога црнец пандур ќе каже дека црњите не ги бива, крај!! Что повеќе да кажам. |
| Great_Macedonian |
Quote Legal-Eagle:
...i do not feel an affliation to any other nation other than the one that i reside in. Australia is my birth right and will forever remain so.
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If your parents are of macedonian ethnic background, then you are macedonian by ethnicity.
An Australian nationality does not exist, People who technically call themselves "australians" are of anglo-saxon origin.
Its not the abos who are the scum of the earth, its the poms. The englishmen conquored and killed millions of people around the world just to spread their anglo 'culture'... they poisoned and killed thousands of aboriginals. In 1788, there were 300thousand aboriginals in Australia, and by 1901 their number had dropped to 70thousand. Do you know why??? its called GENOCIDE!!! I wouldnt wanna call myself australian.
Johnny Howard should just fucken say SORRY to the abos.. coz hes grandpa and company destroyed the abo's way of life.. they took the children from their parents and brought them up in white families, just to assimilate them. These people, the aboriginals, are confused. They have no memory of their hunting way of life, and yet they cannot adapt to western society.
The government pays them to stay at home and be dumb, because it suits australia for the abos to be drunken dumb asses. This is so, because if the government tryed to incorporate them into society, maybe they will learn somthing and start asking for their lands back.
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| Legal-Eagle |
You've got to be bloody joking right? Apologise for what? For goodness sakes!!!!!!!!! What is wrong with you people? The Abo's have no knowledge of their hunting ways? What sort of a comment is that? People hunt today as a recreational sport, not as a means of survival.
Maybe where i have failed is that i have not been comprehensive in my comments, and actually explain things a little more clearly. If any of you had any real knowledge of who, why, what, where and when then you would not be of the opinion that you are. It is all sensationalised by the media. You cant tell me that the Abo's would have had a better lifestyle without the white settlers? But then again one will never know.
As for those children referred to as the "stolen generation" they benefited more from their placements than being hindered.
"Australian" is a nationality!!!!!!!!!!!! What it isnt is a race!!!!!!!!! There is the difference. Yes i am part Macedonian by decent, but i have bloodlines linked to other countries as well. But the long and the short of it is that i am an Australian of European decent! But that really is not even an issue here, and i refuse to discuss it further! |
| Legal-Eagle |
quote:
Originally posted by AaaAa
quote:
White were intellectually superior, that the blacks were physically superior, but poor swimmers, and that the Aborigines faired the lowest in every category.
Please tell me that you don’t buy this?
It was a nice "study" used by the White Americans during the civil rights movement to "prove" something, well the same actually, with similar intent, but toward a different group. We all know how that is seen upon nowadays in the USA and how disturbing and embarrassing it sounds every single time it is brought up.
There are yet to convince me that there can be a general genetic make up that speaks to intellectual or any other capacities of particular people. I believe that has been scientifically disregarded as an option long time ago.
Yes i do buy it! The way i see things, and i do stress, this is my opinion utilizing logic more so than scientific facts, is that, each race has certain characteristics. Do you agree so far? Who is to say that they as a whole or generally speaking do not possess similiar attributes with regards to tolerance of disease, learning capability, physical capability?
Once again, it is only the application of my logic that brings me to this conclusion and that puts weight in the findings of that study. |
| mafisKumA |
quote:
Originally posted by Divider
Maybe the wold shoud reinstitute slavery. Cheap labour and such.
i hope you were just being sarcastic with this comment
if you weren't then it's very sad to know that people still think like that [:(]
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| mafisKumA |
quote:
Originally posted by Legal-Eagle
People hunt today as a recreational sport, not as a means of survival.
As for those children referred to as the "stolen generation" they benefited more from their placements than being hindered.
Mary recreational hunting is the most inhumane thing a person can do [:(] says alot for mankind doesn't it [:(]
as for the children from the "stolen generation" they benifited how? by being used as child labour, physically and sexually abused, being taken away from their parents & communities, being stripped of their heritage?
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| Great_Macedonian |
Listen here Legal-Eagle, as a Uni student of history and politics, i have done many essays and exams on "the stolen generation", and one thing i can tell you for sure is that, the taking of children by force from their parents and placing them in foster care and with white people, did not benefit the abos but totally fucked them up and made them confused about their identity their culture their way of life. The past australian generations are to blame for what the aboriginals are today. |
| AaaAa |
quote:
Originally posted by Legal-Eagle
quote:
Originally posted by AaaAa
quote:
White were intellectually superior, that the blacks were physically superior, but poor swimmers, and that the Aborigines faired the lowest in every category.
Please tell me that you don’t buy this?
It was a nice "study" used by the White Americans during the civil rights movement to "prove" something, well the same actually, with similar intent, but toward a different group. We all know how that is seen upon nowadays in the USA and how disturbing and embarrassing it sounds every single time it is brought up.
There are yet to convince me that there can be a general genetic make up that speaks to intellectual or any other capacities of particular people. I believe that has been scientifically disregarded as an option long time ago.
Yes i do buy it! The way i see things, and i do stress, this is my opinion utilizing logic more so than scientific facts, is that, each race has certain characteristics. Do you agree so far? Who is to say that they as a whole or generally speaking do not possess similiar attributes with regards to tolerance of disease, learning capability, physical capability?
Once again, it is only the application of my logic that brings me to this conclusion and that puts weight in the findings of that study.
With all due respect, I hate it that you do, and that unfortunately you are not the only one.
I do agree that races do differ physically and that has been proven scientifically. That difference is solely a result of the different climatic settings each particular group has been evolving in, and it is changing rapidly as races have moved and mixed over time.
However, intellectual capacities and difference in genetic intellectual make up has not been proven nor will it ever be.
Don’t confuse capabilities with social engagement of the same.
The creativeness and success, or the level of materializing on any given attribute does not depend solely on biological or mental capacity but also social setting and opportunity.
That alone explains why the blacks in Louisiana are 'lazy' as Divider stated. Why Louisiana I ask? Mississippi? or South Carolina and not France for example? How come the number of black intellectuals in NYC surpasses the same group anywhere else?
I completely agree with the status of the natives of Australia (on the general points) but there are specific issues that play a role in all of that that cannot be overlooked.
They can’t be overlooked in the USA regarding African Americans, nor can they be overlooked regarding any other race, or issue for that matter. We wish things were that black and white, but they are not. There is a social reason why particular groups generally act the way they do, and the mere fact that there are exceptions to those generalizations of ours (we all tend to exolain things in the same black and white "logical" manner), shows that it is not genetic, it is perhaps social.
Blacks complain, Abo’s complain... Albanian (stunned by the parallel I have to say), and I really do wonder, have any of you ever had a chance to visit an all white, trailer trash, bible belt village or a small community? May I suggest any rural white area of the USA? And then we'll talk about laziness, complaints, and intellectual capacities – and then I would like to hear about the White power, and its intellectual superiority.
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| mafisKumA |
Great_Macedonian, nice debate but please watch your language
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| slasa |
kumo nemoj da mi go cepkas deteto Great_macedon e moja krv |
| Great_Macedonian |
mafisKuma, its somtimes hard to control your temper when people believe everything they hear or read.
History and politics are conspiracy's.
History is written by the victorious, and politics are told buy the corrupt.
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| Great_Macedonian |
Vujco, kako e vo hong kong? hehehe |
| slasa |
quote:
Originally posted by Great_Macedonian
Vujco, kako e vo hong kong? hehehe
a se naviknav vejke i kineskiot pocnav da go baratam po malce [:)] |
| Legal-Eagle |
quote:
Originally posted by Great_Macedonian
mafisKuma, its somtimes hard to control your temper when people believe everything they hear or read.
History and politics are conspiracy's.
History is written by the victorious, and politics are told buy the corrupt.
I beg your pardon? Do my eyes deceive me? The very same person that was claiming that he did all of his homework on this subject is now trying to discredit the very sources from which he has derived his knowledge? In the words of Pauline Hanson "Please Explain!"
I am not basing my opinion on history books, but solely on my personal and individual dealings with Aborigines and those dealings that many of my friends or associates have had with the Aborigines. I have always stated that i am generalising, but hell, the problem still exists.
In an previous post you admitted that they were drunks and drug addicts or words to that effect, so in essence you are agreeing with me that a problem does exist. But to claim that they are victims of society ..PLEASE HUMOUR ME! |
| Legal-Eagle |
quote:
Originally posted by AaaAa
With all due respect, I hate it that you do, and that unfortunately you are not the only one.
I do agree that races do differ physically and that has been proven scientifically. That difference is solely a result of the different climatic settings each particular group has been evolving in, and it is changing rapidly as races have moved and mixed over time.
However, intellectual capacities and difference in genetic intellectual make up has not been proven nor will it ever be.
Don’t confuse capabilities with social engagement of the same.
The creativeness and success, or the level of materializing on any given attribute does not depend solely on biological or mental capacity but also social setting and opportunity.
That alone explains why the blacks in Louisiana are 'lazy' as Divider stated. Why Louisiana I ask? Mississippi? or South Carolina and not France for example? How come the number of black intellectuals in NYC surpasses the same group anywhere else?
I completely agree with the status of the natives of Australia (on the general points) but there are specific issues that play a role in all of that that cannot be overlooked.
They can’t be overlooked in the USA regarding African Americans, nor can they be overlooked regarding any other race, or issue for that matter. We wish things were that black and white, but they are not. There is a social reason why particular groups generally act the way they do, and the mere fact that there are exceptions to those generalizations of ours (we all tend to exolain things in the same black and white "logical" manner), shows that it is not genetic, it is perhaps social.
Blacks complain, Abo’s complain... Albanian (stunned by the parallel I have to say), and I really do wonder, have any of you ever had a chance to visit an all white, trailer trash, bible belt village or a small community? May I suggest any rural white area of the USA? And then we'll talk about laziness, complaints, and intellectual capacities – and then I would like to hear about the White power, and its intellectual superiority.
There is no real flaw to your above agrument. Great application of logic which i find it difficult to disagree with. But the facts remain the same. Yes it is slightly genetic and yes it is slightly social. That said, what does one do about the existing problem that surrounds us? Undeniably there are issues and unfortunately they are race related. |
| Legal-Eagle |
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Originally posted by mafisKumA
Great_Macedonian, nice debate but please watch your language
Jules i had to re-read his post several times to decipher what he could have said that was so offensive. Then i saw the F word. You do know that in a court of Victoria a precedent was set that the F word is no longer deem offensive and has even been entered into the Collins and Macquarie Dictionary. One definition is an abreviation of Fornication Under the Consent of the King which was a royal act after the Black Plague and the second is a australian colliqual or slang word. Which by now does not need defining i am sure.
How things have changed since i was a wee lassie[:D] |
| Legal-Eagle |
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Originally posted by mafisKumA
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Originally posted by Legal-Eagle
People hunt today as a recreational sport, not as a means of survival.
As for those children referred to as the "stolen generation" they benefited more from their placements than being hindered.
Mary recreational hunting is the most inhumane thing a person can do [:(] says alot for mankind doesn't it [:(]
as for the children from the "stolen generation" they benifited how? by being used as child labour, physically and sexually abused, being taken away from their parents & communities, being stripped of their heritage?
Whether hunting is an acceptable recreational sport or not really is a debate within itself. You eat meat dont you? Need i continue?
As for sexual and physical abuse i really am sceptical. I am not saying that it may not have occurred. Stripped of their heritage? This comment is giving me indigestion. I dont understand. Stripped how? Without appearing to be condescending i think Jules you are sympathising with them in a 'mothering' kind of way, which is kind of endearing, but that stated, it does not negate the facts as i see them.
You made a comment about deaths in custody, more to the point about the number of deaths in custody. Riddle me this, and once again i generalise, if the aborigines are such law-abiding citizens why does the ratio of aborigines outweigh that of other races?
Look forward to hearing your response. Please do not use victimisation or discrimination as a means to your explaination. You would be wasting your time. |
| Great_Macedonian |
Legal...
Yes your right.. my sources come from history and politics, but so do your and everyone elses.
History is written by the victor, everybody knows this. The white man won in Australia, however though, modern australian historians dont deny that genocide was performed towards the aboriginals, so why wouldnt i believe this? why would they want to make their ancestors look bad unless they really did mistreat the aboriginals!?
As for politics, politicians tell alot of bullshit to cover up their dirty stuff. In other words, some of the media, influenced by politicians, claims that the aboriginals were not all that mistreated. So it all comes down to who your gonna believe.
Dont get me wrong, i agree with alot of what your saying, the aboriginals do need help, but my argument is that the government doesnt want to help them. Paying them money to stay at home is not help. |
| mafisKumA |
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Originally posted by Legal-Eagle
Jules i had to re-read his post several times to decipher what he could have said that was so offensive. Then i saw the F word. You do know that in a court of Victoria a precedent was set that the F word is no longer deem offensive and has even been entered into the Collins and Macquarie Dictionary.
How things have changed since i was a wee lassie[:D]
Mary, I vividly recall the moment of the announcement,
"there was much rejoicing" by one certain BRANKO who shall remain nameless [:p][:p][:p][:p][:p]
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| mafisKumA |
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Originally posted by slasa
kumo nemoj da mi go cepkas deteto Great_macedon e moja krv
ne bre nikako, nemat sanca da go cepkam GM slasa, eve same nezno ke go galam [;)][:p][;)][:p][;)]
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| mafisKumA |
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Originally posted by Legal-Eagle
Whether hunting is an acceptable recreational sport or not really is a debate within itself. You eat meat dont you? Need i continue?
As for sexual and physical abuse i really am sceptical. I am not saying that it may not have occurred. Stripped of their heritage? This comment is giving me indigestion. I dont understand. Stripped how? Without appearing to be condescending i think Jules you are sympathising with them in a 'mothering' kind of way, which is kind of endearing, but that stated, it does not negate the facts as i see them.
You made a comment about deaths in custody, more to the point about the number of deaths in custody. Riddle me this, and once again i generalise, if the aborigines are such law-abiding citizens why does the ratio of aborigines outweigh that of other races?
Look forward to hearing your response. Please do not use victimisation or discrimination as a means to your explaination. You would be wasting your time.
The meat in the supermarkets is NOT a result of recreational hunting.
Mary, Ross Bourke, QC, a personal friend of mine, was Counsel representing the State of Queensland in the Royal Commission. He and I have had numerous discussions on the topic, I am certain that you too will be surprised by the findings of the said commission.
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| Legal-Eagle |
Firstly, how do you think these animals at the supermarket get there? I am not agreeing with recreational hunting, on the contrary. But that said, there are many animals that are a nuisance to the farmers, eg Kangaroos. Not that i have acquired a taste for this kind of meat, but the issue remains in order to feed the human race we must slaughter animals. It is black and white.
Secondly, i would not be surprised bythe findings of the Royal Commission. That said, which Government commissioned it? Why? What was changed as a result of the findings? NOTHING!!
One must admire the likes of Pauline Hanson. Though most hate and despise her publicly (because it is the politcally correct thing to do). I despise the wench as a woman, but think she has more balls than any other politician in this country. She stood up and said publicly what 80% of the Australian population are thinking secretly.
Julie, are you denying that the Aborigines are not a problem either to or in society?
Please answer YES or NO.
If NO then "please explain"! Yes - but is not permissible[:D] |
| Thunder from down under |
sega pred nekoj den vo melbourne aboriganec odi milicijata da go zema,ovaj kradi kola i srede grad zaglavil so kolata i na policaecot mu go zema pishtolot ,vlegvi vo taxi, taxistata izleguva i ovaj edna ulica podolu go prevrti taxiot naopaku :))
nemaat voopshto pocit za zakonot i ne gi okrivuvam jas za toa
ama imat golema razlika od gradskite aborigani i tie shto se kaj sho si bile od pamti-vek |
| slasa |
a kaj ojde ti bre ..an postana i ti aborgtinec :-)) |
| dbk |
Isti se be, ta gradski bile , ta pustinski bile
:) |
| mafisKumA |
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Originally posted by Great_Macedonian
i just want mafiskuma to stick to her promise .. i da dojdit da me galit :)
tu pa ti epten bukvalno si me svatil [;)][:p][:I]
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| Thunder from down under |
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Originally posted by dbk
Isti se be, ta gradski bile , ta pustinski bile
:)
gradskive pomoderni se be, so pivo se pijanat,a pustinskite so benzin,
na eden aboridzanec mu velam, abe imash probano Shell-Optimax
mi veli "i cant afford it man " [:D] |