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NEW GREEK-MACEDONIAN FORUM.

NEW GREEK-MACEDONIAN FORUM.
george	Guys, I have made a totaly great Greek-Macedonian-Turkish forum for all of us to debate. I look forward for seeing each and every one of you there. Here is the link to check my forum out: Link removed by the admin I promise you that nobody will be mistreated in the forum. We are all there for civilized discution and debate. Cheers. and again look forward to seeing you all.
wolf_pack	george, not to attack your idea of communion and friendship, but a forum that states Macedonia Macedonia as the title-name of our country will not attract Macedonian members for proper debate.
Strelec	quote: Originally posted by george ...a totaly great Greek-Macedonian-Turkish forum for all of us to debate... It sounds well, now!:) But there is a BIG mistake in the subjects of the forum... There is unnecessary and provocative reference (FYRO.M), and it means that from the very beginning there are no conditions for fair and constructive discussion.
wolf_pack	Jas pishav FYRO.M (bez tockata) i automatski se smenilo, super:)) Thx Administratori:))
george	Guys, I fully understand you. I had it plainly Macedonia. But some Greek Macedonian users protested. It is really boring there guys. I have only Greek forumers and we need you guys to get this thing going. It is difficult having a Greek-Macedonian forum. Alot of people are pissed with eachother. I made it Macedonia F Y R O M in order to achieve middle ground. I am trying to keep both sides happy. _____________________________________________________ Bottom line is, nobody is gonna be mistreated, for that I assure you. I am Greek and I am not opening the forum so I can piss on you guys. Thats all I guess.
sardaukar	I think it is worth of trying.
OooOo	Let me get this straight! You are trying to get some quality discussion there, which is fine, however you trying to convince some Macedonian members from here and you are calling them fyro.mians over there? Do you really think that any of us look stupid?
dada Sani	quote: Originally posted by george I made it Macedonia F Y R O M in order to achieve middle ground. I am trying to keep both sides happy. _____________________________________________________ Bottom line is, nobody is gonna be mistreated, for that I assure you. I am Greek and I am not opening the forum so I can piss on you guys. Thats all I guess. There is no way you can keep us happy by using F Y R O M. If you want to keep both sides happy, than you have to face the fact that we are proud of our name M A C E D O N I A. Find a way to say the truth as a step towards compromise and real happines.
george	Sorry guys. I really like you to come in my forum but it is all about balance. I cant say just Macedonia because all of my Greek forumers will then just drop it and leave. I want some good discusion about many stuff, not only whether Alexander is Greek or not or your country's name. You and us share other things, like religion, and more stuff that we will get to know through debate and discution. I am not seeking to make my forum a shithole filled with flames and insults. I want stuff to be civilized. I mean, Greeks and Turks have many differences but still we got some civilized talk, why not with you guys? Concluding. I am in the difficult position of keeping everybody happy. Greeks, you guys, Turks and I am doing the best I can. We all have our differences, thats why we all should compromise and let go a little bit. FINALLY. Which one would you prefere for me to have in the forum. Skopje or F Y R O M Macedonia? Tell me so I can make arrangements. That is all I can do. Cheers.
OooOo	quote: Originally posted by george I mean, Greeks and Turks have many differences but still we got some civilized talk, why not with you guys? Try a different name with the Turks, like The Former Greek Republic Of Turkey and check out how many Turks will stay. I'll ask you again, do you really think that we are stupid? quote: We all have our differences, thats why we all should compromise and let go a little bit. Sure, but I don't see any compromise with the Greeks. All I see is an insult against Macedonians. Sorry, try some other forum.
george	@OooOo This is the 3rd post from you guys in my forum. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Well then if this is the case in this wonderful subforum, me, the crazy Macedonian, have banged a few Greek bitches in my life, I hope MakVaKing's female family members are next (allowable range is 18-45 years please). U'd be ok with that right? Besides, Most Greeks are homos and its ok if ur northern neighbours slap your women around and show them some good times biggrin.gif _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ The Greeks have made a compromise. They wanted you to be called just F Y R O M. I made is F Y R O M Macedonia just hoping to make it better. I am Greek, I have made a compromise.
OooOo	quote: Originally posted by george @OooOo This is the 3rd post from you guys in my forum. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Well then if this is the case in this wonderful subforum, me, the crazy Macedonian, have banged a few Greek bitches in my life, I hope MakVaKing's female family members are next (allowable range is 18-45 years please). U'd be ok with that right? Besides, Most Greeks are homos and its ok if ur northern neighbours slap your women around and show them some good times biggrin.gif _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ The Greeks have made a compromise. They wanted you to be called just F Y R O M. I made is F Y R O M Macedonia just hoping to make it better. I am Greek, I have made a compromise. Well, I guess that's what you get when you insult us. quote: Originally posted by george FINALLY. Which one would you prefere for me to have in the forum. Skopje or F Y R O M Macedonia? Tell me so I can make arrangements. That is all I can do. Cheers. Go with Skopje, but then instead of Greece go with Athens, instead of Turkey go with Istanbul. That's a compromise. ~~FYRO.M~~ is not a compromise, that's an insult!
george	Granted. I shall change it to Skopje then. Just a tip mate. Please talk to me with respect just as I am talking to you. That is all.
OooOo	Where's the non-respect?? Please point it out.
george	I guess I took your tone in a wrong way.
dada Sani	What are your intentions george??
george	My intentions? I guess to have a civilized Greek-Macedonian forum. Is there something wrong?
dada Sani	quote: Originally posted by george My intentions? I guess to have a civilized Greek-Macedonian forum. Is there something wrong? Yes there is. You want to have civilized Greek-Macedonian forum , but you don't wanna call my country Macedonia. What's wrong with that?
george	@Dada Sani. I wont enter a cat fight with you. The question you just made is pointless. Go to the top of this thread, read my posts and you'll know what my intentions are. I guess that is all I have to say. Cheers.
pavlos_melass	IM GREEK MACEDONIAN IM PROUD BC MY ORIGIN CAME FROM THE ANCIENT HELLENES MACEDONIANS!ALL THE GREEKS IN MACEDONIA WE HAVE THE SAME MESSAGE!THAT MACEDONIA CONSIDERS TO HELLAS/GREECE ONLY!IN DIFERENT CASE U WILL C A WAR!
BorisVM	quote: Originally posted by pavlos_melass IM GREEK MACEDONIAN IM PROUD BC MY ORIGIN CAME FROM THE ANCIENT HELLENES MACEDONIANS!ALL THE GREEKS IN MACEDONIA WE HAVE THE SAME MESSAGE!THAT MACEDONIA CONSIDERS TO HELLAS/GREECE ONLY!IN DIFERENT CASE U WILL C A WAR! Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity.
achtung_panzer	What a sweetheart this dude George is. "For the sake of keeping his Greek members happy" he will address Macedonia with Skopje, yet he wants a civilized debate. The civilized part of the "civilized debate" died when you mingled with the addressing, George. The name is Macedonia, no nicknames, abreviations or other forms of degradation. What your fellow compatriots see as a problem belongs to "Ripley's Believe it or Not". Despite denouncing hidden intentions Daniel, oops I ment George, I think you haven't been sincere with us.
profa	Yorgos Dude, Your idea would be a big waste of time.What do you think the outcomes of such a debate would be? We cant even agree on the official name of our contry which is the topic of the forum(the very beginnig of the debate)let alone some further ,hotter conversations.What do you think my first post would be as a reaction to the "Greece-Skopje"(and you already saw that reaction on this forum) ,and what do i expect against my post,and then what my next post would be and so on till we "kill" each other and you lock the forum ? There will never gonna be an agree point between us(Greeks and Macedonians),ever! Maybe you/we should open up a conversation about Helena Helena Paparizou :) She did mention Macedonia on the presconference ESC 05 referring to the name of our country,cute and smart girl.
dejan	Good initiative George...but i'm not really interested. 'Skopje News' wtf? Is this supposed to mean news from the actual city?? As always Greeks get their own way...if it was Macedonia first then obviously some Greek had a bitch fit and got his/her way. I find it very disrespectful to see such a forum refering to Macedonia as FYRO.M or SKOPJE. This does not appear civilised. quote: Originally posted by pavlos_melass IM GREEK MACEDONIAN IM PROUD BC MY ORIGIN CAME FROM THE ANCIENT HELLENES MACEDONIANS!ALL THE GREEKS IN MACEDONIA WE HAVE THE SAME MESSAGE!THAT MACEDONIA CONSIDERS TO HELLAS/GREECE ONLY!IN DIFERENT CASE U WILL C A WAR! Oh how convenient, suddenly a Greek comes in and says his usual stuff. Hey Pavlos, when did you parents begin to call themselves Greek 'Macedonian' ?? Or maybe, when did you begin?? After 1991?? Well judging by the quality of your post, i would say that you are not that old[;)]
nepobedliv	No Macedonian will go to such forum - all you do is provoke and try to see how many Macedonians are fooled. NEMOJTE DA IDETE NA TOJ FORUM - NAJVEROVATNO IMA VIRUS!!! As for the name - Republic of Macedonia v Republic of Greece. Nothing else. If you use Skopje than use Athina as well.
Thunder from down under	quote: Originally posted by george Sorry guys. FINALLY. Which one would you prefere for me to have in the forum. Skopje or F Y R O M Macedonia? Tell me so I can make arrangements. That is all I can do. Cheers. i honestly prefer Former World Super Power of Macedonia
nepobedliv	Here is better FORUM: http://s13.invisionfree.com/Macedonia_V_Greece
Great_Macedonian	George, if your greek buddy's get copnfused over "which macedonia" mur referring to... use R.Macedonia for us--anything less is an insult.
lav	quote: Originally posted by pavlos_melass IM GREEK MACEDONIAN IM PROUD BC MY ORIGIN CAME FROM THE ANCIENT HELLENES MACEDONIANS!ALL THE GREEKS IN MACEDONIA WE HAVE THE SAME MESSAGE!THAT MACEDONIA CONSIDERS TO HELLAS/GREECE ONLY!IN DIFERENT CASE U WILL C A WAR! Å Ïà¼î Ïà¼î ....äî êàäå ñòàñàâìå!!!! £àñ ñóì ñàìî îáèêíîâåí Ìàêåäîíåö , íèòó âàêîâ ...íèòó îíàêîâ ....ìèñëàì áåç íèêàêâè âèäëèâè „ïðèìåñè„. Àêî òå èíòåðåñèðà øòî âñàøíîñò íàïèøàë „òâî¼îò„ ïðåäîê ...ìèñëàì íà ñòàðèîò ãîñïîäèí (ñåãà áëàæåíîóïîêîåí) Äåìîñòåí , ÷èòà¼ ãè âî ÎÐÈÃÈÍÀË íåãîâèòå ÔÈËÈÏÈÊÈ ,ðàçáèðà ñå àêî òè ñå äîñòàïíè ...àìà ÑÈÒÅ. Òàìó ...ÑÀÌÈÎÒ ÒÎ£ (Äåìîñòåí-äå) ËÈ×ÍÎ ÑÈ ÊÀÆÓÂÀ (êàðèêèðàì): Òî¼ (ñå ìèñëè íà Ôèëèïà Âòîðè) å ñàìî áåäåí (ìèñëè íåîáðàçóâàí ïî ãð÷êè ìåðèëà) Ìàêåäîíåö è îä íåãî íèêî¼ïàò íåìà äà ñòàíå äîáàð (ñå ìèñëè îáðàçóâàí) ãðê. Å ñåãà ...àêî òàòêîòî å ñàìî „áåäåí„ Ìàêåäîíåö è íèêî¼ïàò íåìà äà ñòàíå äîáàð ãðê ...ñå ïðàøóâàì £àñ ñåáåñè íî è âàñ îñòàíàòèòå îâäå: Êàêî ìîæå åòå è ñèí ìó Àëåêñàíäàð äà áèäå (ñåóøòå) „äîáàð„ ãðê , êîãà íàñåêàäå ñå îá¼àâóâàëî äåêà å Ìàêåäîíñêè à íèêàäå íåìà ïîäàòîê äåêà ñå íàðåêîë ìàêàð è åäíàø äåêà å è ãð÷êè. ïñ Åõ ðàñèïàí òè áèë òî¼ òâî¼ ïðà-ïðà-ïðàäåäî Äåìîñòåí , ìî¼ ñîñîåäó ìàêåäîíñêè ãðêó , èëè ïàê àêî ïîâåå šóáèø ãð÷êè ìàêåäîíåöó , øòî òîà òàêà £ÀÂÍÎ ãî êàæàë ...òà äåíåñ ¼àäíèâå è ñèðîòè (âî óìîò) ãðöè (è òè ñè åäåí îä íèâ) íèêàêî íå ìîæàò íî è äà ñàêààò òàà ÈÑÒÎÐÈÑÊÀ ÂÈÑÒÈÍÀ äà ¼à ïîáè¼àò ñî íèøòî ...ìèñëàì âàëèäíî è ïîòêðåïåíî ñî äîêàçè. À¼äå ñî çäðàâ¼å è ÷óâà¼ ñè óìîò çà äðóãè ðàáîòè. Áàòàëè òîà Èñòîðè¼àòà ...îä íåà íå ñå æèâåå...íåëè? -------------------------------------------------------------------- Äîêîëó êîëåãàâà íå ñè ãî çíàå è ðàçáèðà ñâî¼îò Ìàêåäîíñêè £àçèê , àêî ñàêà íî è óìåå ...íåêî¼ êîëåãà íà ôîðóìîâ ....çà äà ìó ãî ïðåâåäå íà ¼àçèêîò êî¼ ñåãà ãî ðàçáèðà òî¼. Áëàãîäàðàì
george	I am telling you again. I cant. I cant change the name,My other forumers are already on edge about this. Thats all I have to say. You can join, but nobody forces you to do so. Greeks are more than willing to talk about the Name problem and other historical stuff, but they are also willing to put these at side for one and talk about more important stuff. Like our countries economies, their future, Military stuff etc etc etc. Why do you guys have to be stuck on the same topic when it come to a conversation with Greeks.
f9	Mozhebi ke zborvat Skopjanive so Atinjanine,ako go smenit imeto Grcija vo Atina.-Ama togash dvete strani ke si zboruvaat vo ime na svoite gradovi ne meshajki gi ostanatite....
Strelec	George, I completely understand and admire your attempts to start-up communications between others… Bottom line, exactly the problem with the name will be one of the most questionable topics on that forum… I understand that also, it is difficult for you to find a solution for this problem… Because of these reasons, I can tell you that the compromise with which (I assume) all Macedonians would agree. You need to find a solution in which everybody will have the same treatment… This means that, if you address Greece and Turkey by their constitutional name, then Macedonia deserves to be called by its own constitutional name… Moreover, if you would like to call Macedonia ‘Skopje’, then you would have to call Greece ‘Athens’… If you were to call Macedonia Macedonia (Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia), then you need to call Greece FOROG (Former Ottoman Republic of Greece)... Or, if for Macedonia you use the term “Macedonia Macedonia’, which you called a compromise, then fulfill the compromise by calling Greece 'FOROG Greece'! I know that all of these issues wouldn’t pass with the ‘hot-headed’ Greeks on the forum, so I am really sorry that your initiative will be nothing more than just that… an initiative! Cheers!
george	Mate. Sorry to break it up to you like this but, F Y R O M is your country's legal name. Macedonia is not your country's name. If the world recognized you as Macedonia then I would piss on my Greek forumers and had it be Macedonia. The part that you said about Greece is a bad example since Greece and your country were always in different situations. I would certainly would not discribe my Greek forumers as hot-headed. If you want proof, you can visit my forum and see for yourself. We are civilized and we are ready to have a civilized discussion with non hard-liners. And do not forget, 5 million people in Greek Macedonia call themselves Macedonians. Why are you fast to dismiss their existence in order to satisfy your country's needs. Just wanna be fair.
dejan	George, any internet forum is not some UN councle meeting!! Isn't Greece officially known as 'Hellenic Republic' ??? Why don't you put this? Why are we so fast to dismiss these so called Greek 'Macedonians' existence?! BECAUSE THEY DO NOT EXIST. SIMPLE. When did these people begin calling themselves 'Macedonians'??? Please this is absurd and pathetic, i'm surprised Hollywood hasn't made some stupid comedy out of it. So then let me guess, Greeks in Thrace call themselves Thracians right?? Thessalians?? Atticans?? Peloponnesians?? Hmm what else is there? Ioannians???
OooOo	quote: Originally posted by george Mate. Sorry to break it up to you like this but, F Y R O M is your country's legal name. Macedonia is not your country's name. Ok, now we are talking. Now that you've shown your REAL face I don't think that there is anything else here for you. quote: Originally posted by george Just wanna be fair. Obviously you have no clue what does FAIR really mean!
george	See? You dragged me into a cat fight. I shouldnt have taken the bate. About somebody saying about showing my real face. Nobody should be fooled. I am good and polite and I am a supporter of my country. And that is something that everybody should have known here without me saying so. If anyone wants to continue with this please come by my forum and we shall talk.
Jakov	ne go ni citav muabetov, samo vidov deka site zborite angliski samo zasto se pijavil nekoj tip so pisuva na angliski a e grk ili nesto slincno ili imam pogresen vpecatok????
Belomorec	george what about Former Vizant Republic of Turkey for Turkey ? And Former Macedonian Republic of Greece for Greece or Ellada or Hellenic or Macedonia or what other name ? Trakia, Epir ? Macedonia first time was under greek rule from 1913, Buk*rest treat. This, with our name is fasistic politic from Greece, nothing more. There is no history no reality just fasizam.
Strelec	George, I hope that you’re not angry about this topic! http://s13.invisionfree.com/GrecoTurkish_Forum/index.php?showtopic=52
OooOo	quote: Originally posted by george ... I am good and polite and I am a supporter of my country. Hah, so what do you expect from us?? NOT to support our contry?? Be your puppies?? Should we bow?? Ask for mercy? ... You are now being funny :)
concrete	quote: Originally posted by george Mate. Sorry to break it up to you like this but, F Y R O M is your country's legal name. Macedonia is not your country's name. If the world recognized you as Macedonia then I would piss on my Greek forumers and had it be Macedonia. The part that you said about Greece is a bad example since Greece and your country were always in different situations. I would certainly would not discribe my Greek forumers as hot-headed. If you want proof, you can visit my forum and see for yourself. We are civilized and we are ready to have a civilized discussion with non hard-liners. And do not forget, 5 million people in Greek Macedonia call themselves Macedonians. Why are you fast to dismiss their existence in order to satisfy your country's needs. Just wanna be fair. INTEEEEL , kaj si bre momce , ti gi jadat ova FYR-ovcive!!!!!!
Jakov	Yorgo..... If you call us with your reference, can I call you Junans and your great country Junanistan.??? Macedonia-Ottoman-Junanistan talks. Is it fair enough?
dada Sani	quote: Originally posted by george About somebody saying about showing my real face. Nobody should be fooled. I am good and polite and I am a supporter of my country. And that is something that everybody should have known here without me saying so. This applies to everybody. We are good and polite and we are supporters of our country also. And you should now that without us saying ...
george	I didnt say not to support your country. I didnt say that anyeone should be Greece's puppies. I ddint say to anyone that he or she shoould bow or ask for mercy. And finally I didnt call anybody stupid. You guys hate Greeks dont you? I guess I cannot talk with people with their minds clowded by hatred and fanatisism. I came here as polite as I can get offering the best I could, and you people are attacking me all the time. Screw this. I am through.
OooOo	So long ... say hi to Greeks from Virtual Macedonia [;)]
Jakov	i sto sega...ke place nekoj...?
profa	C'mon George I already said that there would not be any outcome of such a debate.You as the leader of your forum just said what every single greek would have and you also have read out responses.So we, Macedonians are right and you Greeks are also "right". Think we should put an end to this debate. Those people in the Macedonian teritory can call themselves French or English,or ... what difference would that make ?
profa	quote: Originally posted by george You guys hate Greeks dont you? And you guys love us Macedonians ,right? [:D]
achtung_panzer	quote: Originally posted by george I guess I cannot talk with people with their minds clowded by hatred and fanatisism... But you already did Yorgo/Daniel, and you are doing that every day, talking to your paesanos. Instead of spending EU milions for the benefits of your own country, your fellow compatriots poured it on a senceless propaganda against a name of a nation. Maybe "fanatic" is understatement when considering your fellow compatriots' attitude towards MACEDONIA. The bottom line is that we are not going anywhere, and neither are you, so you'd better learn to live with us and prepare your national leaders to swallow all the crap that they were spewing about MACEDONIA for decades. Screw your "forum",
wolf_pack	À¼¼ ìà¼êàòà, îø íå ñàì ãî îøàìàðàë ãðêîò âèå ãî èçáðêàâòå[:D] âèáàì ôàíàòèöèòå[:D]
achtung_panzer	quote: Originally posted by wolf_pack#10; À¼¼ ìà¼êàòà, îø íå ñàì ãî îøàìàðàë ãðêîò âèå ãî èçáðêàâòå[:D] âèáàì ôàíàòèöèòå[:D]#10; #10;Sho se sekirash be v'che, kje se vrne grko da go shamarash. Mozhe kje bide pod drugo ime, ama kje se vrne [;)]
ProMKD	Leleee ne uspeav ni da mu kazam kolku gi sakam grcite! Steta, ama mozda ke dojde pak! [:)]
Great_Macedonian	ne sekirajtese.. cita grkot..cita.. Hey George, Republic of Macedonia is recognised as such by 110countries in the world including the United States, and those who havent done so would love to recognise us under our official name, however your greek propaganda prevents them from doing so. You said 5million greek-macedonians?? lol greek macedonia doesnt even have 5million people.. more like 2-3million. Btw if people in greek-macedonia feel that they are macedonian, why dont they state themselves as macedonians in census?? because they are greeks, not macedonians. A macedonian cannot be anything except a macedonian! ...just for the record there are real macedonians in greek macedonia, but greece doesnt allow them to say that they are macedonians.
DJ_SHEMA	quote: Originally posted by george Guys, I have made a totaly great Greek-Macedonian-Turkish forum for all of us to debate. I look forward for seeing each and every one of you there. Here is the link to check my forum out: http://s13.invisionfree.com/GrecoTurkish_Forum/ I promise you that nobody will be mistreated in the forum. We are all there for civilized discution and debate. Cheers. and again look forward to seeing you all. Go f**k yourself.
zlotty_co_380	gluposti vo boja, http://s13.invisionfree.com/GrecoTurkish_Forum/ ova e k*rwa forum
Daniel Glenn	quote: Originally posted by george I didnt say not to support your country. I didnt say that anyeone should be Greece's puppies. I ddint say to anyone that he or she shoould bow or ask for mercy. And finally I didnt call anybody stupid. You guys hate Greeks dont you? I guess I cannot talk with people with their minds clowded by hatred and fanatisism. I came here as polite as I can get offering the best I could, and you people are attacking me all the time. Screw this. I am through. Dear Posters and George, It is abundantly clear that any dialogue between the two sides is impossible without the mediation of an American.Despite the anti-Americanism from both sides I hope that at least this point is becoming clearer by the minute. best regards to all. Daniel
BorisVM	quote: Originally posted by george FINALLY. Which one would you prefere for me to have in the forum. Skopje or F Y R O M Macedonia? Tell me so I can make arrangements. That is all I can do. Cheers. None of the above. Republic of Macedonia will do.
BorisVM	quote: Originally posted by george Mate. Sorry to break it up to you like this but, F Y R O M is your country's legal name. Macedonia is not your country's name. If the world recognized you as Macedonia then I would piss on my Greek forumers and had it be Macedonia. The part that you said about Greece is a bad example since Greece and your country were always in different situations. I would certainly would not discribe my Greek forumers as hot-headed. If you want proof, you can visit my forum and see for yourself. We are civilized and we are ready to have a civilized discussion with non hard-liners. And do not forget, 5 million people in Greek Macedonia call themselves Macedonians. Why are you fast to dismiss their existence in order to satisfy your country's needs. Just wanna be fair. Mate you are inches from being banned from my forum. Do not forget: The most powerful country in the world, namely USA, in good-old TEXAS fashion decided to recognize Macedonia under its CONSTITUTIONAL AND OFFICIAL NAME as Republic of Macedonia. So here is poor old Georgie telling us what is the official name of our country? Riiight.
Strelec	quote: Originally posted by BorisVM The most powerful country in the world, namely USA, in good-old TEXAS fashion decided to recognize Macedonia under its CONSTITUTIONAL AND OFFICIAL NAME as Republic of Macedonia. As well as China & Russia (two more permanent members of the Security Council) and 106 other countries in the world!
OooOo	as well as Republic of Debar!
achtung_panzer	quote: Dear Posters and George, It is abundantly clear... ... best regards to all... Daniel Eeeej v'che, a be ja ti vikah deka kje se vrne... neli sakashe da go shamarash, eve go cheka porcija vrukji...
george	Hi guys. I read a couple of weird stuff in here so I decided to step in one last time. The US is indeed a powerfull country, but then again the fact that they decided to recognize you with your Constitutional name is quite irrelevant. It would be of some importance if you were in the US sphere of influence but you are not. The Balkan region belong to the EU's sphere of influence and unless the EU says so, your name remains as is. Of course the only future for Macedonia is to someday join the EU. And each and everyone of you knows that Greece will veto your country if it tries to do so. So basically you either cut the agressive policy with impossing the name Macedonia or remain landlocked with no support and no future. This is the fact, guys. You have got yourselves into a no-win situation.
wolf_pack	quote: Originally posted by george Of course the only future for Macedonia is to someday join the EU. And each and everyone of you knows that Greece will veto your country if it tries to do so. So basically you either cut the agressive policy with impossing the name Macedonia or remain landlocked with no support and no future. This is the fact, guys. You have got yourselves into a no-win situation. Åäíà íàîïàêî êî å ìó îïàëàì Ìàêåäîíñêàòà áàáà øî ¼à èìà å ìó ñå ïðåòâîðå ó óáàâèöà. À áå george, we've heard these threats before. How much did you enjoy the embargo from 1993-1995? panzer, ñåà å ðåäî íà òåáå äà ìó çàâðòåø åäíà[:D]
Great_Macedonian	george... we dont have time to sit here and prove our macedonian identity to you. If you wanna learn somthing about Macedonia and the macedonians, visit www.historyofmacedonia.org there you will find the answers to all your questions my confused 'neighbour'.
george	[:)] I didnt ask you to proove your macedonian identity. I just told you that you cannot politically and historicaly lie and call yourself whatever you want. P.S. I saw the site you gave me. This site only points you to works of Slavic historians or Americans with Slavic backround. The quotes it provides are just small pieces of the bigger picture, thus altering the entire meaning of the phrase. You cannot forge your identity through missinterpreting the words of others. Nobody is gonna believe a site like that. First of all it is hardly a historical site. I would more call it a Greek discrimination site, since 80% of the material tries to lower Greece and outstip it from its historical heritage. Just foolish.
toni_a	pak za imeto... sum kazal i povtorno ke kazam deka sporot so imeto e svrsena rabota.vrtat grcite posto nemaat sto drugo da pravat.MAKEDONIJA ke si ostane MAKEDONIJA i se raboti samo za vreme dodeka ne priznae EU...
Sunshine	quote: Originally posted by george Of course the only future for Macedonia is to someday join the EU. And each and everyone of you knows that Greece will veto your country if it tries to do so. So basically you either cut the agressive policy with impossing the name Macedonia or remain landlocked with no support and no future. Ushte ne e baniran grkov???
dada Sani	Mislam deka se uste ne e stasan za baniranje
profa	quote: Originally posted by george [:)] I didnt ask you to proove your macedonian identity. I just told you that you cannot politically and historicaly lie and call yourself whatever you want. So your fellas who live in the greek part so-called Macedonia (or a teritory of old Macedonia)can call themselves Macedonians and thats not a lie but we cannot call ourselves the same cuz if we do so that s gonna be a lie? And what is the background of the history or the websites you(all Greeks) guys learn all this from?
nepobedliv	Greeks are greeks and Macedonians are Macedonians! The Whole world has recognized Macedonians and Macedonian Language!!! The only problem is the name of the country??? EVERYBODY IN EUROPE CALLS US MACEDONIA - it is only if it a international forum when they use the UN name BUT THEY ALL HAVE OFFICIALY RECOGNIZED MACEDONIAN PEOPLE AND MACEDONIAN LANGUAGE. Don't confuse yourself.
nepobedliv	George - read some BBC in Macedonian...wasn't Britain in Europe??? http://www.bbc.co.uk/macedonian/
george	Well, I guess I have to start from scratch on this one. In this link someone gave me, www.historyofmacedonia.org, the people in that web site tried to get small quotes from a large text in order to proove that Greeks and Macedonians are two distinct nationalities though expressing the hatred of the Southern City States to Macedonia. I had to object on that one. Greece was not unified at that time. Each city and kingdom was its own country and the cared little about unification. Example, Athens hated Sparta, Corinth dreadfully hated Athens and at the end of the 2nd Pelloponnesean war it requested that victorious Sparta should annihilate all of Athens's population and burn the city to the ground. The only reason why the Spartans didnt do it was because of the acropolis, since it was a huge religious site and it would be against the gods to destroy it. The same was with Macedonia, they were a kingdom of northern Greeks and they came down to impose their will on their southern neithbours, just as Thebes wanted to do so with Sparta. Macedonia kicked their ass, and because the cities couldnt do anything about it, they started to hate the Macedonians. Back then the City States had their own individual pride. Of course the hated eachother, and they hated even more the one that had more power than they did. Hate was a common thing back then.
dejan	This is getting out of topic so i might as well reply! Ancient Macedonia was not like Ancient Greece, Macedonia was unified under a kingdom, Greece was not. So then if the Macedonians were a 'kingdom of northern Greeks' then that must mean that Thrace was one too??
george	Southern Greece, had unified leagues and city states. Northern Greece was more uncivilized than southern Greece. About Thrace. Thracians were complete barbarians, but they were slowly Hellenised by Macedon and the City States. Plus the Thracian coulnt be regarded as Greek since they didnt share the same military doctrines that the City States and Macedon shared. That is heavy infantry (Hoplite with pikes) formations. Thracian war culture was more into using ranged troops, using peltasts, archers and light cavalry. Plus in Thrace, we dont see any ancient cities with Greek inscriptions before the Hellenistic age. And that means something. Now again about Macedon, Macedonians regarded themselves as Greeks by blood. Back at that time a nation was classified as, barbarian (non-Greek) and civilized (Greek). Philip called himself and his country civilized, Philip was born in Argos, in the Pelloponeese. Also, you can clearly identify that Macedonians are Greek since they fight the exact same way as their southern neithbours, use the same kind of equipment, until Philip introduced the sarissa. The decorations on their weapons, their armour, their helmets, the way they are built and the material that it were built from do not give away any sign of Macedon being its own culture apart from the rest of Greece. Also check out this web-site. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia
dejan	This is getting out of topic (and no i'm not 'finally realising the truth') i suggest this be continued in the history part George.
george	One last post and I am through mate. Just do me a favor and check out this site about the Ancient Macedonian language. It says quite a lot and it is really good. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Macedonian_language
OooOo	wikipedia? lol ... every moron can write whatever he wants there, and another moron can change that whenever he feels like ... yeah, great source and great facts :) [edit] And just to back that up see the red box on the print screen below: [IMG]http://tinypic.com/dx22vo.jpg[/IMG]
Great_Macedonian	George you brainwashed fool. Check this out http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/ConciseMacedonia/Documents.html Is this another "Macedoniaian" propaganda?? Read what demosthenes quotes... hey read my signature at the bottom, i didnt make it up. Do you suggest that the "pan-macedonian" organization, full of greek nationalists who own www.macedonia.com are telling 'THE TRUTH'??? That page is designed and only designed for the specific purpose to deny the macedonian ethnic identity, how dare they call themselves panmacedonian organisation? hipocrits!!!
george	@Great Macedonian. Do you know even what brainwashed means mate? The entire world, says that ancient Macedonians were Greek peoples. The only people who say otherwise are you guys. 2 million out of 6 billion. Now tell me who is brainwashed and who itsnt. First of all there are no archaeological finds that proove that ancient Macedonia was a slavic nation. Leave alone that the entire era after Alexander's conquests was an era of Hellenic domination. Why was it that the entire world in the hellenistic age spoke Greek and not Slavic. And dont tell me your Macedonian language is not Slavic because that would be a terrible lie.
angomako	that's discusion for history... bulgars were not slavs too,but the bulgars today speak slavonic language. there is also part of macedonia inside bulgaria. why are they not wary of using it and why greeks don't get inflamed for that? those sites don't say that macedonia was a slavic nation. and by the way,the old teroies are changing,and you are wrong if you think that slavs have come from "behind karpathians"... many authorities are taking diferent stands,and if interested,you can browse ytrough some of the historical sites here and get references to their info. it's stupid to think that we know everything. and each day we find new things about history. recently in bulgaria they tdiscovered thge "waley of kings"... the waley of trakian kings,who were aparently master goldsmiths! or the discoveries of ripe agricultural civilisations in middle europe,thousdands of years earlier than it was thought. it all coresponds to the "teory of continuity",promoted mostly by mario alinei. recent genetic researches also conform to it. ask russians,where did the slkavs come from.. they will tell you also behind the karpathians.. which is,the balkans,by the way. so,it's not exactly 2milion out of 6bilion. and,by the way,our oficial history teaches that slavs came to the balkans in 6century,and in time mixed with local populations. what's more normal than that? or you would say that the strongest empire in those times couldn't deal with refugee peasants? asnyway,that's what the "oficial" history teaches. cheers
Great_Macedonian	First of all George, the whole world does not think that ancient macedonians were greeks- that is the argument which many historians (most influenced by greeks) claim. On the other hand you have many western european and american historians which claim that ancient macedonians were eather of none-greek origin or a group of people seperate to the greeks which were eventually hellenized. Other historians claim that the ancient macedonians were a seperate peoples from the greeks, who admired the greek culture and spoke a macedonian language similar to greek, but considered to be of none-greek (barbarians)origin. So when did the slavs come into the picture? did i mention slavs? did i say that i am a slav? The slavs are descendants of the ancient Veneti (which some sources claim have always been in the balkans and served in alexanders phallanx)... howether, even if the slavs came to the balkans in the 6th century... all evidence points to the fact that the slavs subjugated the ancient macedonians, thus resolving in a mix of slavic and ancient macedonian identity which forms the basis of the modern macedonian people. In other words, macedonians cannot be slavs, since nobody can prove how much 'slav' we have in us.. on the other hand nobody can tell me that the ancient macedonians ran away from macedonia when other tribes settled there. I didnt say we are pure ancient macedonian descendants, i said that macedonians have inherited what remained of the ancient macedonians. And dont mix language into this.... as angomako stated, bulgarians are a majority of asiatic descent who speak slavic... the irish almost forgot gailic, they speak english, but they are not british are they? Much of northern africa is made up of arabic speaking none-arabs!... should i continue? ill leave it at that.
george	@Great Macedonian. About the ancient macedonians. It is in dispute wether they were Greek themselves, but there is no dispute that their language was either Greek or closely akin to Greek. If modern Macedonians you guys were trully descendants of ancient macedonia wouldnt you have to have a language that is closely akin or almost identical to Greek? A friend I have from Bulgaria said to me that he went to your country twice, and on his trip, he spoke bulgarian and he could almost communicate perfectly with people in there. Plus, another Macedonian forum that I attended insisted on saying that ancient macedonians were Slavs and they didnt have to do anything with Greece. I am now confused which is which. Also, I would have to say that language is major part of a civilization. We are true Greeks because we still speak Greek. Today that is what defines us. Our language. Everything today is bullocks if you cant support it with that.
ProMKD	So ur still here, georgie boy? By the way, incase u dont know, Bulgarians seem to have a thing against us, so wat can u expect from them other than "we are the same people, who speak the same language". As a Macedonian, i can tell u now, i can only pick 1 out of 1 thousand words in a bulgarian page that i can understand. And about ur whole language thing, we have our language just like you. Language: MACEDONIAN Religion: MACEDONIAN ORTHODOX Country: REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA Ethnicity: MACEDONIAN Ancient Empire: MACEDONIA These play a major role in our civilization, so what now? Is everything we have greek? Is everything anyone has greek? I bet you invented the chinese language as well. "ching ding" derives from the greek word "chingos dingos" which means "to steal from other cultures" Because, as we all know, thats wat ur people do best, steal from other cultures.
nepobedliv	Temava otide nikade - daj da mu replicirame Makedonski, bar covekot da nauci Makedonski ako tolku saka da stane Makedonec.
DJ_SHEMA	Gjorji e baniran, taka da mislam moze da se zatvori temava.