| Imigrees in US 1909 |
| mnik |
Here is Original Document of Imigrees in US in 1909 year.
[url]http://www.maknews.com/forum/assets/immigration_1909/immigration_1909.html[/url]
Interesting to see, Nationality(country of which citizen or subject) are most Turkey.
But Column Race or People, Macedonian
Who dares to say before 1945 no Macedonians were there
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| mnik |
quote:
Originally posted by Duhot na Vovata
"Hey Administrators, why dont you clean up all this Bulgarian scum on this Forum?"
Od forumov lesno – od istorijata koj ke izbrise Bugarskoto? Donski, mozebi?
Duho or what ever you are, you are not wellcome here, and the History dont has nothing to erase, but to show much more than your Pathetic Fasificates!!!!
So when this Bulgars will be out of this Forum, they are not wellcome!
This is Macedonian Forum, and not Bulgar Forum!!!
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| jingibi |
Друго гледиште:
[url]http://kroraina.com/knigi/bugarash/bginus/index.html[/url]
[url]http://kroraina.com/knigi/bugarash/reklami/index.html[/url]
Интересна дискусиа:
[url]http://clubs.dir.bg/showthreaded.php?Board=maked&Number=1944827067&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&part=[/url]
Молим, не бриши! |
| dejan |
haha...molim kolku sakas, ama nie ke pravime sto sakame tuka;) |
| mnik |
Interesting, no Bulg comment on this one [8D] |
| komunist |
quote:
Originally posted by mnik
XI. After the movement of March, our Party in place of the code of
"a united and independent Macedonia and Thrace" was placed the code of
"greater equality for minorities."
The change of this code is relative with the ethnic minorities of our country, without negating Marxist-Leninist principles of self-determinism of ethnic minorities.
The replacement of the old code, "United and independent Macedonia and Thrace" succeeds over the same change of the ethnologic synthesis of the Greek portion of Macedonia, with narrow ties to the changes of the agreement, inside which the expansion of todays revolutionary movement, generally in the Balkans and especially in our country, with basic duties of anti-facist and anti-polemic struggle.
Marxist-Leninism ensues the communist parties will base their politics and their codes upon firm grounds of reality. The portion of Macedonia that is occupied by Greece, consists of Greek prosfigi population.
The population of the Greek portion of Macedonia is today under Greek majority-rule. And Lenin-Stalinist origin of self-determinism demands todays conditions of change from the old code.
The principle classes whose history is the history of the selling out of the Greek nation to foreign imperialists, who surrendered entire sections of Greece, sometimes to AngloFrench, and sometimes...
Interesting read, mk!
Kat
Marxist-Leninist????
jasno....... |
| mnik |
And pity, Greeks were about to recognize the Macedonianminority in Greek Occupied Macedonia:
[img]http://tinypic.com/hwhdlc.jpg[/img]
TRANSLATION:
Macedonian
XI. After the movement of March, our Party in place of the code of
"a united and independent Macedonia and Thrace" was placed the code of
"greater equality for minorities."
The change of this code is relative with the ethnic minorities of our country, without negating Marxist-Leninist principles of self-determinism of ethnic minorities.
The replacement of the old code, "United and independent Macedonia and Thrace" succeeds over the same change of the ethnologic synthesis of the Greek portion of Macedonia, with narrow ties to the changes of the agreement, inside which the expansion of todays revolutionary movement, generally in the Balkans and especially in our country, with basic duties of anti-facist and anti-polemic struggle.
Marxist-Leninism ensues the communist parties will base their politics and their codes upon firm grounds of reality. The portion of Macedonia that is occupied by Greece, consists of Greek prosfigi population.
The population of the Greek portion of Macedonia is today under Greek majority-rule. And Lenin-Stalinist origin of self-determinism demands todays conditions of change from the old code.
The principle classes whose history is the history of the selling out of the Greek nation to foreign imperialists, who surrendered entire sections of Greece, sometimes to AngloFrench, and sometimes...
Interesting read, mk!
Kat |
| stan |
quote:
Originally posted by mnik
Interesting, no Bulg comment on this one [8D]
Oh, there was a lot of Macedonians in USA before 1945 (and a lot of Tracians and Mizians)
[img]http://bulgariansinnorthamerica.nexuswebs.net/bginus7.jpg[/img]
They had a newspaper:
[img]http://bulgariansinnorthamerica.nexuswebs.net/bginus10.jpg[/img]
A band:
[img]http://bulgariansinnorthamerica.nexuswebs.net/bginus9.jpg[/img]
A nice passports:
[img]http://bulgariansinnorthamerica.nexuswebs.net/IMMIGRATIONIDCARDAMERICA1947BulgarianMACEDONIA311.JPG[/img]
And here.. surprise... look 4.
[img]http://bulgariansinnorthamerica.nexuswebs.net/rez1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://bulgariansinnorthamerica.nexuswebs.net/rez2.jpg[/img] |
| stan |
Some of the cultural centres still exist:
http://www.globalpittsburgh.org/communities/index.jsp?pageId=0690200091781090187613519
quote:
Around the year 1900, several Bulgarians came to Pittsburgh and settled in West Homestead, Duquesne, and McKeesport. Around 1910, having secured their economic position, many began to bring their families to the United States. At the start of World War II there were 33 Bulgarian-Macedonian bakeries in Allegheny County. In fact, at one time, the Bulgarian community in Pittsburgh was the largest in the United States.
Note the following on the right navigation:
- Croatian
- Bulgarian and Macedonian
- ...
- Serbian
After all these years they are still on one row :) |
| Christian |
quote:
And here.. surprise... look
oh,oh look WHOS talking[:D]
aj git!!! |
| mnik |
I do not see any Pictures......[;)]
Go and talk to Macedonians of USA CANADA and Australia that they are Bulgas, and see what happens[:)]
Above clear self declaration....... People or Race: MACEDONIAN [:D]
I like you when you Cry, come on deny it more, cry bit more [8D]
You can go throught archives and see more of them, declaring them Macedonians....
[xx(]No Bulgs [B)] |
| mnik |
quote:
Marxist-Leninist????
jasno.......
It is not my Translation, but from a Greek who Fights against Greek Propaganda..... There are some Reasonable Greeks too [:D]
And Marxist - Leninist makes sence, otherwise if you prove it the oposite....
Note it handles about Macedonian [Question][;)]
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| mnik |
quote:
Around the year 1900, several Bulgarians came to Pittsburgh and settled in West Homestead, Duquesne, and McKeesport. Around 1910, having secured their economic position, many began to bring their families to the United States. At the start of World War II there were 33 Bulgarian-Macedonian bakeries in Allegheny County. In fact, at one time, the Bulgarian community in Pittsburgh was the largest in the United States.
Yeah yeah, we know the story about the Bulgarians from Macedonian...
No one deny`s that there were some Bulgs in Macedonia (through out of Whole United Macedonia I mean, not just R. Macedonia), But still, this is Oficial United States Document, and what we see,Other than the Bulgs like to teach us, there were People who have Seen Them as MACEDONIANS, not BULGS FROM MACEDONIA, BUT SIMPLY MACEDONIANS.[;)]
But of course, you are to brain washed to grasp that, arent you[:D] |
| mnik |
[img]http://tinypic.com/i2r3gh.jpg[/img]
[img]http://tinypic.com/i2r3mc.jpg[/img] |
| mnik |
It might be interesting to get look in that book [:D] |
| komunist |
quote:
[i]
And Marxist - Leninist makes sence, otherwise if you prove it the oposite....
Makes perfect sence but why this ideology (or religion) is dispised by everyone. Including its "brilliant" nation-buildings. |
| Duhot na Vovata |
Not "by everyone", komuniste. Na balkanot I posebno vo nekoj drzavi) e polno so luge za koj minatoto e: "Eeeeex kolku ubavo bese. Imavme malku, ama i malku bea grizite...". Mantalitetot na volot. Jade spored kolku mu dadat i raboti spored kolku go tepat. Vaznoto e drug da milsi. |
| mnik |
quote:
Makes perfect sence but why this ideology (or religion) is dispised by everyone. Including its "brilliant" nation-buildings.
I never said that I dispise it, did I... It had own features, good and bad, as the so called Democracy has... It is just an system to protect somebodies rights, while the others are fed with some Ideologies and believe how Free they are or how Secure they are or so on....
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| mnik |
[IMG]http://tinypic.com/i3gsna.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://tinypic.com/i3grbk.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://tinypic.com/i3gu2f.gif[/IMG] |
| mnik |
More deniels please[:D] |
| stan |
quote:
Originally posted by mnik
Here is Original Document of Imigrees in US in 1909 year.
[url]http://www.maknews.com/forum/assets/immigration_1909/immigration_1909.html[/url]
Interesting to see, Nationality(country of which citizen or subject) are most Turkey.
But Column Race or People, Macedonian
Who dares to say before 1945 no Macedonians were there
You have noted very well that the nationality is Turkey and the race Macedonian. I could accept this document as valuable if you accept that you are of Turkish Nationality :)
Since the area Macedonia were under Turkish yoke as Thrace and Moesia they still write Turkey.
Note something interesting in the 1910 census:
Minnesota Population Center/University of Minnesota
http://www.ipums.umn.edu/usa/voliii/inst1910.html
quote:
137. Do not write "Macedonian," but write Bulgarian, Turkish, Greek, Servian, or Roumanian, as the case may be.
Your document is from 1909, the census is in 1910 - the amaricans know now that macedonia is just region, so they write the people that inhabit that geographic region with their Nationality (as in point 137)
My point is confimed by that Map from 1910:
http://members.tripod.com/imro_usa/bulgarians.htm
See the map and see the major contcentrations of Bulgarians, also see that Macedonia and Thrace are just capitalized. Why BULGARIA is in upper case?
Finally you really have to see that advertising:
http://kroraina.com/knigi/bugarash/reklami/index.html
For example:
[img]http://kroraina.com/knigi/bugarash/reklami/rekl33.jpg[/img] |
| jingibi |
Вижте фалсификатот:
http://www.maknews.com/forum/assets/immigration_1909/immigration_1909.html
Види се дека но првиот ред е пишало "bulgarian" и е заличено.
Долните редови са биле "_____//______" и врз нив е написано "macedonian".
Вижте долу неутрален оригинал:
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/3353/immigration19055tt.gif
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| dejan |
BBP=BULLSHIT BULGARIAN PROPAGANDA |
| Duhot na Vovata |
Dejane, kazas: BBP=BULLSHIT BULGARIAN PROPAGANDA
Moze i propaganda da e i se sigurnost bulgarian. Samo vo koja nezina cast vidis Bullshit. Propaganda ne e nepremeno loso nesto. Slikite ne lazat. Reklamite izseceni od vesnici ne lazat. Aaaa dosekam se, "Bullshit" se preveduva kako: ne mi se bendisva sto vidam na ovie linkovi.... |
| mnik |
You are so fu**** Blind arent you:
quote:
You have noted very well that the nationality is Turkey and the race Macedonian. I could accept this document as valuable if you accept that you are of Turkish Nationality :)
In te Document I sent where Macedonians declared them as Macedonians in 1909, you read:
Columnt: Nationality(country of which citizent or subject)
of course they would give the Turkey since they were Subjectsof Turkey since Macedonia was given Back to Turkey in Berlin Congress.
This columnt is of such Construct, other wise they would have to make two additional colums for Citizent and Subject, but they just put it all together, or you would say it is not like that [;)]
Come on prove to me that you are so stupid as I hold you for!!!!
But Column: People or race: Macedonian
This gives you Info:
They are Subjects of Turkey but are of Race or People Macedonians.
Or you would like to deny that too.
How many times I would have to repeat my self:
Austro Hungarian numbers:
"About 100 000 Bulgarians live in Macedonia(whole of Macedonia)
and about 60 000 Macedonians In Bulgaria...."
I have posted that already....
so what those News Papers cuts shows you???
Those 100 000 Bulgarians had the full right to do and call them self what ever they wanted (unlike the Bulgars give rights today in Bulgaria).
but that does not means that there was no Macedonians.... or you are so brain washed to see that????
And about some Census data from Turkey or better said Bulgarian Census, they are not valid, why because they are mostly records of Churches, and since Macedonians are Good Christians they had to go in some Church, and the choice was wether the Bulgarian or Greek, later Serb....
Tell me which one of this 3 is true:
[IMG]http://tinypic.com/hs51fs.jpg[/IMG]
Non of them, they are exactly cut to fit purposes, get it ?
And Amis and all the other were exactly in the game around the partition of Macedonia, so ofcourse they will listen to Bulgarian Greek and Serb Census data, since they were Ignorant about Macedonia.
No you wont get it since you cant except something which does not fit your purpose, right? [^]
Come on prove your stupidity once again STAN.... |
| mnik |
A Bulgar, would you deny this one, or you will be flathered about this one:
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3985/immigration1907maced18xa.gif
as you can see, they all are Race and People Bulgarian
and Nationality(Country of which citizent or subject) Turkey
My question to your stupid brain: if this people are Bulgarian by Race, than they must be Turks by Nationality, and come from MacedoniaAll after your logic.
Come on and Deny this.
or you will twist your logic now to fit your purpose.
compare with this one, budd:
http://www.maknews.com/forum/assets/immigration_1909/immigration_1909.html
all Macedonians.
Note there are also few Hebrew in the First document and they also have Nationality(country of which citizent or subject) Turkey [;)]
so dont talk bull |
| mnik |
SO if you ask me, all Bulgars Imigrated out of Macedonia, as you can see, thats why today there are no Bulgars in Aegean and R. Macedonia as well in Mala Prespa [:D] |
| mnik |
And just before you come up with the date of the Document where it Stands Bulgarian(1907) and say a before 1909 there were no Macedonians look here:
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/3353/immigration19055tt.gif
Note this list is from 1905, Columnt(race or people) Macedonian, down below, can you see it, or it hurts your eyes?[;)]
and here 1903 October 12, Column ( Race and People) Macedonian, Record 25-27.
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/999/immigration19033ux.gif
The first Macedonian Refugees after Ilinden...
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| mnik |
While Bulgars Serbs and Greeks Falsificating Documents and Census about Macedonia, Macedonians declared them as they were Macedonians
But I guess for the Bulgars as well Greeks there is no such Term of Self Declerance, so fi some Census as above showed stands for No Macedonian Nation, than of course there is no, even if People clearly stated the oposit....
all is a part of the Great Powers Plan for partitioning Macedonia, can you grasp that???
The Truth, Western People had no clue about Macedonia:
Unknown Macedonia.
From The Contemporary Review.. New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Nov 3, 1895. pg. 27, 1 pgs
Document types: article
ISSN/ISBN: 03624331
Text Word Count 382
Document URL:
Abstract (Document Summary)
Macedonia is practically as unknown to the general public as the great Unshapen Land in which dwelt the three Grey Sisters who helped Perseus on his errand of death. Even the well-informed politician who could comfortably pick his way through Central Africa is very often unable to tell the difference between a Pomak and a Zinzar, a Yooryk and an Arnaut, or to say whether ...
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| mnik |
quote:
Originally posted by mnik
A Bulgar, would you deny this one, or you will be flathered about this one:
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3985/immigration1907maced18xa.gif
as you can see, they all are Race and People Bulgarian
and Nationality(Country of which citizent or subject) Turkey
My question to your stupid brain: if this people are Bulgarian by Race, than they must be Turks by Nationality, and come from MacedoniaAll after your logic.
Come on and Deny this.
or you will twist your logic now to fit your purpose.
compare with this one, budd:
http://www.maknews.com/forum/assets/immigration_1909/immigration_1909.html
all Macedonians.
Note there are also few Hebrew in the First document and they also have Nationality(country of which citizent or subject) Turkey [;)]
so dont talk bull
A lesson for you Bulgars, the Roots of Bulgar Khans [;)]
http://members.tripod.com/~Groznijat/p_bulgar/p_bulg1a.htm
Not my Rulers,not Macedonian rulers, Bulgar Volga Rulers [:D]
for any confusion check the quote docs about the differences between us[;)] |
| komunist |
Linkovi od komercijalni web stran ne se dozvoleni spored pravilata na VM. |
| komunist |
quote:
Originally posted by komunist
Linkovi od komercijalni web stran ne se dozvoleni spored pravilata na VM.
Комерциални демек, а?
хехехехе |
| Christian |
mnogu glupi luge imalo na svetov,stvarno e zalno ova. |
| stan |
quote:
Originally posted by mnik
A lesson for you Bulgars, the Roots of Bulgar Khans [;)]
http://members.tripod.com/~Groznijat/p_bulgar/p_bulg1a.htm
Not my Rulers,not Macedonian rulers, Bulgar Volga Rulers [:D]
for any confusion check the quote docs about the differences between us[;)]
We know our lessons but did you know yours :)
http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Kuber
There's a peak on this name also :)
Named after Khan Kuber whose Panonian Bulgarians settled in Macedonia in the 7th Century AD.
http://apc.mfa.government.bg/peaks/kuber.htm
So can you tell me for sure are you successor of Bulgarians or of an Ancient Macedonians :) Show me your family tree and I could believe you :) |
| Jakov |
quote:
Originally posted by stan
quote:
Originally posted by mnik
A lesson for you Bulgars, the Roots of Bulgar Khans [;)]
http://members.tripod.com/~Groznijat/p_bulgar/p_bulg1a.htm
Not my Rulers,not Macedonian rulers, Bulgar Volga Rulers [:D]
for any confusion check the quote docs about the differences between us[;)]
We know our lessons but did you know yours :)
http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Kuber
There's a peak on this name also :)
Named after Khan Kuber whose Panonian Bulgarians settled in Macedonia in the 7th Century AD.
http://apc.mfa.government.bg/peaks/kuber.htm
So can you tell me for sure are you successor of Bulgarians or of an Ancient Macedonians :) Show me your family tree and I could believe you :)
Do you want to show you the shortest way to BANja Bansko? |
| mnik |
quote:
So can you tell me for sure are you successor of Bulgarians or of an Ancient Macedonians :) Show me your family tree and I could believe you :)
First of all you are nobody that I have to tell anything about who am I, for you Im Macedonian and there it is where it ends, Kapish?
You put your self on high position to judge, to disprove or accept something, but all of us Macedonians are not obliged to prove to your Bulg ass anything, kapish, and if you think k*rber put some Seed here and thats enough to make us Bulgars like you, than you prove it once again how stupid you are, kapishi[8D]
Enlight your brain:
http://www.makedonika.org/Bojdimi1.htm
if you are able for that[;)]
and to remind you:
Bugars:
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3985/immigration1907maced18xa.gif
Macedonians:
http://www.maknews.com/forum/assets/immigration_1909/immigration_1909.html
Get it in your head, if you are able for anything to grasp[8D]
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| mnik |
quote:
Originally posted by Christian
mnogu glupi luge imalo na svetov,stvarno e zalno ova.
[:)][:)][:)][:)]
Right [:(] |
| komunist |
quote:
Originally posted by mnik
quote:
So can you tell me for sure are you successor of Bulgarians or of an Ancient Macedonians :) Show me your family tree and I could believe you :)
First of all you are nobody that I have to tell anything about who am I, for you Im Macedonian and there it is where it ends, Kapish?
You put your self on high position to judge, to disprove or accept something, but all of us Macedonians are not obliged to prove to your Bulg ass anything, kapish, and if you think k*rber put some Seed here and thats enough to make us Bulgars like you, than you prove it once again how stupid you are, kapishi[8D]
Enlight your brain:
http://www.makedonika.org/Bojdimi1.htm
if you are able for that[;)]
and to remind you:
Bugars:
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3985/immigration1907maced18xa.gif
Macedonians:
http://www.maknews.com/forum/assets/immigration_1909/immigration_1909.html
Get it in your head, if you are able for anything to grasp[8D]
At least Kuber and his people lived IN Bitola, but NOT in Plovdiv or Sofia, CAPISH?
So enjoy your kinship with Tatarstan, CAPISH?
:):)
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| mnik |
quote:
At least Kuber and his people lived IN Bitola, but NOT in Plovdiv or Sofia, CAPISH?
So enjoy your kinship with Tatarstan, CAPISH?
:):)
And that makes us all Bulgars, right [;)]
you are so intelegent [:D]
your answear: http://www.makedonika.org/Bojdimi1.htm
And read if you can :
[IMG]http://tinypic.com/ighk5x.jpg[/IMG] |
| komunist |
quote:
Originally posted by mnik
quote:
At least Kuber and his people lived IN Bitola, but NOT in Plovdiv or Sofia, CAPISH?
So enjoy your kinship with Tatarstan, CAPISH?
:):)
And that makes us all Bulgars, right [;)]
you are so intelegent [:D]
your answear: http://www.makedonika.org/Bojdimi1.htm
And read if you can :
[IMG]http://tinypic.com/ighk5x.jpg[/IMG]
To be sure many other things make us ALL Bulgarians, but the point is that if we lower ourselves to your pitiful racist "arguments", then we do NOT have a proto-bulgarian connection as much as you have.......
......
and did you read carefully the text on the photo or you don't understand the language? |
| mnik |
Yeah right, beat it down Bulgar boy.
you may speak for your self being Bulgarian which no one takes you, but not to speak in Our Name, you are unimaginable[?] Invading Macedonian Space, even if it has to be Cyber one, Imperialist Fascist Natzi...... Thats what you are guy [:p]
Translate it for me, enlighten me [;)] |
| komunist |
quote:
Originally posted by mnik
Yeah right, beat it down Bulgar boy.
you may speak for your self being Bulgarian which no one takes you, but not to speak in Our Name, you are unimaginable[?] Invading Macedonian Space, even if it has to be Cyber one, Imperialist Fascist Natzi...... Thats what you are guy [:p]
Translate it for me, enlighten me [;)]
No one takes me for Bulgarian? Have you seen a doctor lately?
And I definitely don't mind YOUR nationality, I care for Miladinovi, Goce and Samuil....but NOT for you!
Here's the translation: "...was killed on 10.04.1915 in Pirin....,ALAS, by evil Bulgarian hand..." |
| mnik |
quote:
Originally posted by komunist
quote:
Originally posted by mnik
Yeah right, beat it down Bulgar boy.
you may speak for your self being Bulgarian which no one takes you, but not to speak in Our Name, you are unimaginable[?] Invading Macedonian Space, even if it has to be Cyber one, Imperialist Fascist Natzi...... Thats what you are guy [:p]
Translate it for me, enlighten me [;)]
No one takes me for Bulgarian? Have you seen a doctor lately?
And I definitely don't mind YOUR nationality, I care for Miladinovi, Goce and Samuil....but NOT for you!
Here's the translation: "...was killed on 10.04.1915 in Pirin....,ALAS, by evil Bulgarian hand..."
yeah right, I forgot the "it" in the rush, and you cant even understand what it stands there, you are Bulgar, and I dont give Shit about it, and about the Gotse and the Co. do you really care about the thruth or what fits you.
I wonder why Jane got killed by the eveil Bulgarian hand [^]
here is one more thing for you, eat it, Razlovci Uprising Ustav, Berovski:
[IMG]http://tinypic.com/igk9qe.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://tinypic.com/igk9ow.jpg[/IMG]
...Like Army Macedonian of the Alexander the Macedonian...
Dont hang on the Patriah Bulgarski, it is because they were under the Bulgarian Exarchate.
I dont give damn about your perverted Truth....
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| mnik |
Hey Administrators, why dont you clean up all this Bulgarian scum on this Forum?
No Bulgarians Permited here any more, or we step aside once again, they come, we step back! |
| Duhot na Vovata |
"Hey Administrators, why dont you clean up all this Bulgarian scum on this Forum?"
Od forumov lesno – od istorijata koj ke izbrise Bugarskoto? Donski, mozebi? |
| dejan |
hahaha duhot...what you don't realise is most of you Bulgarians have something Macedonian in them, especially those of Western Bulgaria...a lot of Macedonians during all those wars moved to Bulgaria for a better life... |