Misirkov "makedonecot"
Misirkov "makedonecot"
aaron We all know how Krste Misirkov is presented in Macedonia.I will quote: One of the most outstanding names in the recent history of Macedonian culture is undoubtedly that of Krste Petkov Misirkov, whose work was a valuable contribution to European culture and also to European science. But, owing to the perverse fortunes of the Macedonian people's history the most important work of the new history of Macedonian culture, Misirkov's Za makedonskite raboti ("About Macedonian Matters"), published in 1903, was not recognized at its proper worth until 20 years after his death. During his lifetime, this work was regarded as the greatest threat to the realization of the plans of those who aimed at keeping Macedonia under subjugation. For this very reason, he was forced to spend his life in exile, as he relates in his "Memories and Impressions," "a wanderer in other lands, from which I tried to be of use to my oppressed country." He died in poverty in Sofia on 26th July 1926. But is that the real face of Krste Misirkov: And now let us see what happened at the International Symposium on the life and heritage of K.P. Misirkov. The symposium took place in Skopje, starting on 27 Nov. and ending on 29 Nov, 2003. *Account of a participant: what was said about Misirkov* ========================================================== - I thought that the emotions had run out of steam, bit yesterday, 29 Nov. 2003, a new scandal erupted quite surprisingly, despite the absence of Katardzhiev. After two rather obtuse presentations, it was the turn of Rostislav Terzioski to present the results of his latest research on Misirkov. Terzioski is specialized on Russia and the USSR and is a very good expert on the historical Russian archives related to Balkan history. His talk was titled: *About some opinions of Misirkov concerning the Macedonian question*. Terzioski said that he had found in Russia a file of about 80 pages, written by Misirkov during 1914, consisting mainly of documents, memorandums and appeals to the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs and other Russian institutions. All documents were related to the Macedonian question. Terzioski said that the documents had been known to very few people until now, and that they deserved to be published because of their importance. The words of Rostislav Terzioski follow: *************** Terzioski: - The content of these documents is in contradiction with some of the other writings of Misirkov, notably with his pamphlet "On the Macedonian Affairs". The documents do not confirm the established opinion of our historians about Misirkov. Is this a dilemma or is it a "so called" dilemma? For example, in a letter to the Russian foreign affairs minister, Misirkov declares himself to be a Bulgarian, talks about the unquestionably Bulgarian population of Macedonia, about his own Bulgarian background, about the Bulgarian people of Macedonia. Misirkov mourns for San-Stephano Bulgaria (which included all Macedonia), states that Macedonia is a staunchly Bulgarian land, talks about the suffering of the Bulgarian people in Macedonia under the Serbs, talks about the three main ethnic Bulgarian areas: North Bulgaria, Thrace and Macedonia. Misirkov says that 2.5 million Bulgarians were enslaved by Serbs and Greeks. He accuses Russia for separating Macedonia from Bulgaria and states that the Bulgarian national rights on Macedonia were unquestionable. He expresses his desperation from the fact that Macedonia was torn away from Bulgaria. Misirkov lashes out against the Serb propaganda which, according to him, was underway in Russia. He says that after the Bucharest treaty 2 million Bulgarians were enslaved by the Serbs. Misirkov demands united ethnic Bulgaria including all Macedonia, Dobrudzha, and Eastern Thrace. He states that the Serbs plundered lands that were ethnically purely Bulgarian, and that the Greeks stole Solun (Thessaloniki) from Bulgarians. Misirkov also has some...how should I say...some racist opinions about the Serbs. He states that Serbs are nothing but Shumadian shepherds and swine herdsmen, that Serbia was created by the swine trader Karageorge, that Serbia was the main culprit for the suffering of the Macedonian Bulgarians. He talks about some characteristic feature of the Serb swine herdsmen as "King killers" and traitors, and says that Serbs were suppressing and destroying a thousand years old Bulgarian culture in Macedonia. Misirkov says that the population of Macedonia is Bulgarian and as such it must live in a united Bulgarian land. He calls on the Russian government to stop the assimilation of the Macedonian Bulgarians by the Serbs. He talks about the Bulgarian cultural superiority in comparison with the Serbs, expresses many times his conviction that Macedonia must be united with Bulgaria, and is worried that there was a danger of most of Bulgarians leaving Macedonia. In other documents Misirkov argues against the theories of the Serb historian Cviich and his theses that the Slavic population of Macedonia was a "fluid mass of people without a national consciousness". Misirkov proves that the Macedonian population "is not a mass of pliable dough, as Cviich alleges, but rather a very thoroughly baked Bulgarian bread, which belongs to Bulgaria". In one of his letters from 1914 Misirkov states that the term "Macedonians" means only Macedonian Bulgarians and can not mean anything else. He accuses the Russian ambassador Rostkovsky for giving in to Serb propaganda and accepting the Serb theory that Macedonians were only Slavs, but not Bulgarians. Misirkov says that this theory is a Serb lie and that the Russian ambassador was somehow tricked by the Serbs to accept it. In all his letters Misirkov expresses his deep sorrow for the fate of Bulgaria, which was torn and plundered by her neighbors during the Balkan wars. ****************** (End of Terzioski citation. Narrator resumes his account) -Terzioski talked about all these things for more than 15 minutes. Most of the listeners looked as if they had suddenly frozen. In the end Terzioski simply thanked for the attention, said that all these facts were not entirely new, that some people had written before on this topic. He referred in particular to the writings of Cyrnushanov, who "researched well all the zigzags of Misirkov's ideas". He said that such data exists in Macedonia too, but the official historians think that such data must not be published. Without mentioning his name, he attacked Blazhe Ristovski, who had tried the previous day to dismiss the allusions of the Polish historian Jolanta Suiecka about Misirkov being a Bulgarian chauvinist. Ristovski had tried to brush away such thoughts by alleging that Misirkov expressed his Bulgarian nationalist ideas only after 1920, when he lived in Bulgaria: according to Ristovski at that time Misirkov was forced to conform to the political situation in Bulgaria, his articles were edited, etc. - All in all a heap of worthless artificial explanations. So Terzioski reminded the audience about these explanations of Ristosvki, and rhetorically asked the question: Who forced Misirkov to write such things in 1914, when he did not live in Bulgaria, and there was no one to "force him to conform to the political situation"? Without any applause, Terzioski left the stage and went to his seat. The audience had sunk in deep silence and gloom. =========================================== (End of participant's account) How can you comment on these discoveries of the Russian historian?
Goran-Skopje Ne da me mrzi se' da chitam, abe ni do pola ne stignav.
aaron Napani se malko de!
OooOo Prvo naslovot ne treba da bide 'makedonecot' tuku makedonecot! Vtoro, lichno se poznavam so Kata Rumenova Misirkova koja ima rodninska vrska so Krste Petkov Misirkov. Na chasovi po Makedonski mnogu ni ima zboruvano za Krste i za istorijata na nejzinata familija. Treto, vistinata na Kata so vistinata na aaron nemaat blage veze.
Strelec aaron е буљаш... Така барем му пишува под никот!
DJ_SHEMA i dobro mu stoi. Shto mislish, kje izdrizi da ne e baniran do vikendov? Ushte samo eden den ostana.
wolf_pack Дајте му на буљашот аксес до понеделник за ова :D
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Originally posted by aaron
We all know how Krste Misirkov is presented in Macedonia.I will quote: One of the most outstanding names in the recent history of Macedonian culture is undoubtedly that of Krste Petkov Misirkov, whose work was a valuable contribution to European culture and also to European science. But, owing to the perverse fortunes of the Macedonian people's history the most important work of the new history of Macedonian culture, Misirkov's Za makedonskite raboti ("About Macedonian Matters"), published in 1903, was not recognized at its proper worth until 20 years after his death. During his lifetime, this work was regarded as the greatest threat to the realization of the plans of those who aimed at keeping Macedonia under subjugation. For this very reason, he was forced to spend his life in exile, as he relates in his "Memories and Impressions," "a wanderer in other lands, from which I tried to be of use to my oppressed country." He died in poverty in Sofia on 26th July 1926.
dejan aaron! Enough with this please!! Hit your head head against a wall and realise who you really are! Take a breathe! Stop suffocating yourself under water, get out of it and breath!!
wolf_pack ne brini se deki, uzhivaj vo vikendot oti aaron nema :D
aaron Is this forum about making small talk and stupid remarks or about discussing history from different points of view?
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Originally posted by OooOo
Prvo naslovot ne treba da bide 'makedonecot' tuku makedonecot! Vtoro, lichno se poznavam so Kata Rumenova Misirkova koja ima rodninska vrska so Krste Petkov Misirkov. Na chasovi po Makedonski mnogu ni ima zboruvano za Krste i za istorijata na nejzinata familija. Treto, vistinata na Kata so vistinata na aaron nemaat blage veze.
Tochno taka...filozofii ne treabat,Aron trk kaj Kata da ti ja kazhe vistinata od prva raka i prenesi ja vo Bugarija soodvetno.Inaku prazno drndaranje ne treba za dzhabe...
OooOo
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Originally posted by aaron
Is this forum about making small talk and stupid remarks...
Drago mi e shto se prepozna.
Makedon Крсте Петков Мисирков го објаснува поимот Бугарин: “Грците исто така не разликуваа словенцките народности и сите словени...го велеа со презреното име „бугари". …Грците…употребуваа името бугарин за да воплотат во него своiето презреiн'е кон се словенцко.. Со името бугари не крстиiа грците и нас македонците. Но тоа прекрстуаiн'е не iет iединствено… ( “За Македонцките Работи”, Предгоор, София, Печатница на „Либералний Клубъ“ 1903 ). За жал, неколку пати во својот живот, Крсте П. Мисирков од страна на бугарската полиција, под закана за физичко ликвидирање, бил теран да потпишува статии со пробугарска позиција, претходно напишани од самата бугарска држава.
Duhot na Vovata Otbelezi - 1903. Pobaraj sto pisuval Misirkov podocna. I postiraj nesto. :) Hint: Misirkov se sam odrekuva od sto napisal vo "Za Makedonskite raboti".