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Immigrants Disrespecting the Canadian Born

Immigrants Disrespecting the Canadian Born
dirtdan	I have a few words to say. I am sick of going onto the mirc chat site only to be ridiculed by the few people who are "off the boat" or plane by modern day standards. Why is it my problem that I was the son of immigrants and the language that I speak fluently is English? Last night I encountered one person not to mention any names,(giorgio_m), who gave me a hard time because I could not speak fluent Macedonian. Although I am proud of my heritage (Macedonian), I also am proud of the place that I was born...the gold medal champions of both men's and woman's hockey teams in the Sault Lake City Olympic Games. One member of the team also happens to be a friend of mine who I grew up with, who is also a first generation Canadian of Macedonian discent. I'm sure that (giorgio_m) would have no problem talking to this person (Ed Jovanovski) in English because of his accomplishment and telling everyone that he is Macedonian. But why is it that any ordinary person who cannot speak fluent Macedonian is a jerk or a traitor? Why give us a hard time? I am proud to be Macedonian but I was born in Canada so I am proud to be Canadian although I am Macedonian as well. Although I would love to be fluent in Macedonian it is hard because our community in my city is very small. Therefore i wish I could speak fluent Macedonian but it is very difficult. The official languages of the site are Macedonian and English so why are we ridiculed when we chose to speak English? If this is such a bad place why did this person move here? Why does he/she not go back and fight for the cause that they are preaching for? Oh yeah that's why they came here... to get away from all that. To come here and ridicule the people born here for not respecting where their roots are from. We respect and are proud of our roots, but we are born here in Canada making us Canadians. So get of your "high horses" and join us in being Macedonians in Canada. Respect us as much as we respect you. In Solidarity, dirtdan P.S. I sing all the Macedonian patriotic songs when I hear them, I am very proud of my heritage and look forward to a strong Macedonia.
Canmak	What city are you from? O'CANADA
DAVIS	I LIVE IN TORONTO. BORN AN RAISED AND I LOVE IT!!!!!!! SO I SAYS TO HIM, I SAYS.......
Canmak	Graf I had it there, almost all tourist there had it that I spoke to, put it this way I ran out of my anti-Diarhea pills with in the first two weeks I was there, and then after that it was hell...... I lost about 13 pounds there but that was because I also refused to eat more than once a day....I didn't like the taste of the food there, it is not a knock against the food there but I am used to the way things taste over here, our meat taste different here, our chicken taste different here, our ketchup taste different here.....and I expect that the people from over there would say the same thing about our food here. It all comes down to what you are used to I guess. O'CANADA
graf	good to hear. Well when i went last year I got it once, cause i ate a cold pizza at 4 am hahahahaha. Graf in Da Selo !!!
Legal-Eagle	I just couldnt help myself and had to add my 20 cents worth. If there is one thing i have learnt in life it would those who ridicule are the very ones that have some deep set inferiority or insecurity that they mask by "taking the mickey" out of others. NEVER measure your self worth by those around you or those who are intent on insulting you in order to make themselves feel worthy, but measure yourself against yourself. Turn the other cheek, IGNORANCE is BLISS and some people's comments should never be justified nor validated by a replying remark. You are all, Hic, entitled to MY, Hic, opinion!
Legal-Eagle	BTW Canmak, while on holidays i spend considerable time with a Hygienic Physician from Canada, and disappointly enough, i could not believe some of the things he was telling me about your country and its so called "problems". Which brings me to my point ... there is NO other country like Australia, that affords one the freedoms of choice and lifestyle like no other western county How many other countries do you know about that reach federation WITHOUT any bloodshedding Australia has never in its history (as short as it may be) experienced a Civil War nor UpRising. We have a constitution and we use it well. The only gripe i have ... is that we are always dragged into the WARS by with Big Brother USA or our Mother Country. I just wish everyone would just FARK OFF and leave our little island in the sun to those who know how to appreciate it true beauty... the morale of that little temper tamtrum is .... ......... ...... ..... .......... ......... ummmm kinda dunno ... i was just feeling a bit hormonal again You are all, Hic, entitled to MY, Hic, opinion!
graf	well canmak, i agree with you about throwing rubbish in the rivers. They will learn the hard way. It all comes down to education. And you must remember that not everybody in maso throws rubbish on the floor. YOu will see it will just take one bad thing to happen and the ppl will change. My cousin works for a a group to save the OHRID lake. but there is only so much you can do. I know why u didn't swim, cause u can't swim . Canmka the fresh water of MACEDONIA is the best. When I was there last year and ppl asked what I wanted to drink I would say FRESH WATER. They thought I was crazy but they don't relize how good it it. Forget the FRENCH crap , MACEDONIAN is the best Graf in Da Selo !!!
Canmak	Graf you seem to forget I live in the Great Lakes region of N. America.........I know how to swim O'CANADA
graf	batka, u also must remeber that wood flots too Graf in Da Selo !!!
Canmak	The point is that they shouldn't make it beautiful for me, they should make it beautiful for themselves.......I don't plan on going to Mak for a while.......most likely to sell off my Dads land when he gives it to me: O'CANADA
Canmak	Toronto has alot of Macedonians.....actually I believe it has the largest population of people with macedonian heritage outside of Macedonia. T.O is alright, not to big on it myself O'CANADA
graf	quote: actually I believe it has the largest population of people with macedonian heritage outside of Macedonia. why do u say macedonian heritage can't u just say macedonians Graf in Da Selo !!!
moonchild	Canmak, mene mi se ccini deka ti prezirass se ssto e makedonsko! Ne ti se dopagga hranata, zemjata, go podcenuvass standardot za zziveenje, smetass deka luggeto vo Makedonija zboruvaat samo eden jazik itn... Najtragiccno e toa ssto pokraj faktot deka besse vo Makedonija i imasse ssansa da vidiss so svoi occi kako se zzivee tamu seusste go imass istoto mislenje! Se lazzess!!!! Ima lugge i tamu koi zziveat vo mnogu podobri uslovi odkolku onie vo Canada ili USA itn. Imaat mozznost da prossetaat (i ne samo vo selo), poznavaat ne samo eden jazik a hranata navistina ima poinakov vkus no PODOBAR zatoa ssto e poprirodna!!!!! Pozdrav, Moonchild ps. A veruvam i deka se sramiss ssto si Makedonec. Mind is a dangerous thing!
Canmak	Moonchild quote: A veruvam i deka se sramiss ssto si Makedonec. I am a Canadian with macedonian heritage, I am not ashamed of my heritage. If that is what you are getting at. I am disgusted with Macedonia as a country though, not embarrassed. I have never seen so much trash just being thrown into rivers, streams, lakes. I have never seen such lack of care for the enviroment. I have never seen such corruption...........but I guess that is to be expected from a third world country. I do understand that there are people there that live with a high standard of living, I have seen it with my own eyes ( relatives of mine) but I am generally speaking for the whole country and generally speaking the country lacks in everything. As for you saying the food is and I quote "poprirodna!" maybe it is but I could tell you first hand I know that in Macedonia they use seeds that come from Canada, the US, Germany etc. I could also tell you that they use pesticides to spray their orchards and fields. How much poprirodna is it then. Do not think you food is all organic because it isn't. ALl I am saying is that the food had a different flavor, and I didn't like it because I am not used to it. The trip I was just on will probally be the last time I go to Macedonia in a long while, I could see only to return for my cousins wedding ( and that would only be for a week) and to sell my fathers land there when he hands it over to me. Other than that I have no desire to go back there. O'CANADA
graf	quote: but I guess that is to be expected from a third world country WTF u on about. Canmak I know lots of places in Candada that makes the polution problem in maso seem like fresh air. Each country has its problems. And each country has its beauty. The problem here is that you want a higher standard of living and I can see that you think Maso is of a lower standard. But you are WRONG my friend. Instead of pointing out the problems to the ppl, help them solve them. To me there is noting more beautiful than Macedonia. Graf in Da Selo !!!
Canmak	No graf I can't say "Macedonians" because for the most part they are people with Macedonian heritage.......Macedonians are from Macedonia not from Canada. O'CANADA
graf	how do u know they like that to be said about them. I know u like it. But u can't speak for all of macedonians over there. Graf in Da Selo !!!
Canmak	Graf you don't think I have tried helping them, when ever I had trash in my hand and I was out, I would through it in the nearest trash container ....tried to lead by example. I yelled at my aunt and her neighbours when they where throwing trash in the River by there house, I told them that all that trash would go to there drinking water, I also mentioned it to other people but you know what they said " ah Makedonska rabota" that is what we do. The people over there do not care, and don't tell me they do because I seen it with my own eyes........when ever there was a problem people would say it is to be expected, toa je Makedonska Rabota is what I always heard. Oh yeah by the way, My friend from Canada is a Director of the elementary division of the Nova Highschool in Skopje, what I suggested to her was for her to start an enviromental club at the school and she did, I did offer my input to the people that would listen but for the most part people would just laugh it off. Ask me how many times I went in the water at the beaches in Macedonia, the answer is zero. I found the water to be disgusting, and refused to enter, when I see cows in the water at the beach there is no way in hell that I am going in that water, when I see Albania across the lake and realize that there enviromental programs are more than likely non-existant there was no way I was going in the water. I am not saying Canada is the cleanest country in the world, because I know we are not, but I am saying that we are one of the cleanest in the world with some of the best enviromental programs out there. O'CANADA
Canmak	quote: BTW Canmak, while on holidays i spend considerable time with a Hygienic Physician from Canada, and disappointly enough, i could not believe some of the things he was telling me about your country and its so called "problems". Which brings me to my point ... there is NO other country like Australia, that affords one the freedoms of choice and lifestyle like no other western county How many other countries do you know about that reach federation WITHOUT any bloodshedding Just out of curiosity what where some of these "things" this doctor told you We reached federation with out bloodshedding O'CANADA
Canmak	I just speak the truth O'CANADA
graf	u can't handle the truth Graf in Da Selo !!!
Astibus	The revolutionary is a visionary.He see's things other people don't see,the "practical ones".The "practical" person operates within the boundries of what is.The revolutionary see's things as they ought to be. Ernesto Che Guevera
Astibus	Canmak i agree with you that MK is dirty but it doesnt help for you to kick them while theyre down they have bigger problems on their mind than the environment im sure once they fix these problems they will stop and make Macedonia clean and beautiful for you
Legal-Eagle	Canmak, my young canadian doctor and i were conversing on an array of issues. One thing in particular was the fact that your government does not invest $$$$ into its young and its sport. We were watching the Pan Pacific Games and Canada did not win ONE gold medal. When i explained to him that we have an institute for sport. They only ever pump $$$$ into hockey and the other sports are left undeveloped. The percentage of government funding that is available to schools leaves a lot to be desired. Your medical/health system is way below par. ( i have this on good authority as he is a doctor) There are just too many things to mention, but it did leave me with a very deflated opinion of YOUR GRAND CANADA ... but once again ... ignorance is bliss, if you dont know of any better than you will say that is the best place to live ... I on the other hand will beg to differ .... no hard feelings mate You are all, Hic, entitled to MY, Hic, opinion!
Canmak	Legal is there any other sport besides Hockey Our schools are funded well but you must remeber schools are funded by our provinces not funded by the federal gov't and yes there is some differences between the provinces some are richer than others but over all we are still in the top 10 in the world Our health care system is one of the best in the world, I believe it ranks in the top 5 or 10 in the world........is there room for improvement sure there is but every country could improve.....you said/he said it is way below par but against who? You must remeber this is a Canadian doctor who is capped in his earnings...he looks across the border into the states and probally sees doctors in his field making twice as much as he is. Canada has been ranked #1 by the U.N 8 out of the last nine years, this year we did fall behind Norway and Australia, this ranking takes in to consideration the standard of living, education, healthcare, crime, etc No other country has has been number one 8 years in a row, this year we are #3 but the points that seperate us from #1 is very small......now you tell me is there a better place maybe but the body that ranks the world hardly thinks so O'CANADA
graf	evo za tebe Canmak http://www.realitymacedonia.org.mk/web/news_page.asp?nid=2305 Graf in Da Selo !!!
Canmak	Great Graf at least it is a start, looks like even Macedonians are starting to realize there country is disgustingly dirty. P.S Graf do not tell me that the country is clean because even its own citizens say the country is dirty. O'CANADA Edited by - Canmak on September 04 2002 19:42:24
graf	Hay canmak who gives a rat arse about Hockey. I have a stick and two balls tooo quote: looks like even Macedonians are starting to realize there country is disgustingly dirty. before u say that look at your own country. THe country MACEDONIA is not disgustingly dirty, it has dirty parts in it , like nato and eu personal . Graf in Da Selo !!!
BalkanBoy	quote: NEVER measure your self worth by those around you or those who are intent on insulting you in order to make themselves feel worthy Oh yeah? Well f*k you bith! I'm WORTHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! YEAH!! p.s. can you believe you've posted over 1000 times? What in the HELL are you doing here? You oughta be doing other more constructive things :)! and write some emails dammit... Yours unruly, BalkanBoy -- A lie if repeated often enough, becomes the truth.
BalkanBoy	Yes, that is why everyone should (attempt) to move to the United States. It will solve most of your health, sport and all other interesting problems ... . Of course, when I say 'move to the USA', I don't mean inside a food container on a boat either... And quit lambasting Canada... it has water... all kinds of freedoms (last I heard, faggots are allowed to marry?)... and a nice set of Macedonian broads from the ever growing MK diaspora ;)... you can't beat that now, can you? quote: Canmak, my young canadian doctor and i were conversing on an array of issues. One thing in particular was the fact that your government does not invest $$$$ into its young and its sport. We were watching the Pan Pacific Games and Canada did not win ONE gold medal. When i explained to him that we have an institute for sport. They only ever pump $$$$ into hockey and the other sports are left undeveloped. The percentage of government funding that is available to schools leaves a lot to be desired. Your medical/health system is way below par. ( i have this on good authority as he is a doctor) There are just too many things to mention, but it did leave me with a very deflated opinion of YOUR GRAND CANADA ... but once again ... ignorance is bliss, if you dont know of any better than you will say that is the best place to live ... I on the other hand will beg to differ .... no hard feelings mate You are all, Hic, entitled to MY, Hic, opinion! Yours unruly, BalkanBoy -- A lie if repeated often enough, becomes the truth.
graf	how do u know he will give it to u ? He might give it to somebody more worthy that will use the land in maso. Canmak if you don't go back to maso for ages I don't think the country will care that much . It is like me saying I don't think I will go to Canada. Graf in Da Selo !!!
Legal-Eagle	quote: quote: NEVER measure your self worth by those around you or those who are intent on insulting you in order to make themselves feel worthy Oh yeah? Well f*k you bith! I'm WORTHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! YEAH!! p.s. can you believe you've posted over 1000 times? What in the HELL are you doing here? You oughta be doing other more constructive things :)! and write some emails dammit... Yours unruly, BalkanBoy -- A lie if repeated often enough, becomes the truth. Oh damn you, i have missed you so much... sorry about the email thing ... it is pending ... WORTHY?????? I agree! You are worthy of ....... well, only you know what Move to the USA pffffff! What the F*K for? not on your life ... but i would rather they move there than here ... we have a full house, and i am about to start on a campaign of racial cleansing As for posting ... yep i have posted and will continue to post ... afterall, it is very hard to keep a good woman gagged unless you of course ... oh nevermind BalkanBoy ... you are so ...................... ............ ............. ............... .................... ................ ............. ............. ......... ............ WORTHY MY DEAR LORD! You are all, Hic, entitled to MY, Hic, opinion!
dirtdan	By the way, what kind of macedonian handle is giorgi anyways? Quote: I've been accused of vulgarity. I say that's bullshit! Edited by - dirtdan on August 29 2002 05:13:30
graf	Listen , I can't speak or write good macedonian. Ppl like that I laugh at them. Big deal. He called u names. . I just say da fala za ona sto mi rece . But the other problem is that I can see is that u are from Canada . Isn't that part of USA the gold medal champions of both men's and woman's hockey teams in the Sault Lake City Olympic Games Good to hear. I am proud that I know a First generation Macedonian here in OZ that can light a fart . U shouldn't woory to much. Just remember you make, who you are. Adje cao od Graf. Graf in Da Selo !!!
BorisVM	I wouldn't worry too much about idiots like that.
Thunder from down under	dirtdan i agree with u but ,calling someone off the boat does not show much respect,i am sure u family come with the boat dont forget
moonchild	Dirtdan, abe dete zossto dozvoluvass nekoj preku internet da ti zadava tolkava glavobolka?! Zarem tebe ti e tolku mnogu vazzno nekoj drug da te priznae kako Makedonec (osobeno nekoj kako Giorgi ssto voopssto ne go poznavass)? Veruvaj mi dovolno e ssto znaess i samiot deka si Makedonec i deka si gord so toa, a dali teccno go zboruvass jazikot voopssto ne e bitno. Barem jas taka mislam.. kke se razbereme kako i da e! Mnogu pozdrav, Moonchild Mind is a dangerous thing!
BorisVM	quote: Dirtdan, abe dete zossto dozvoluvass nekoj preku internet da ti zadava tolkava glavobolka?! Zarem tebe ti e tolku mnogu vazzno nekoj drug da te priznae kako Makedonec (osobeno nekoj kako Giorgi ssto voopssto ne go poznavass)? Veruvaj mi dovolno e ssto znaess i samiot deka si Makedonec i deka si gord so toa, a dali teccno go zboruvass jazikot voopssto ne e bitno. Barem jas taka mislam.. kke se razbereme kako i da e! Mnogu pozdrav, Moonchild Mind is a dangerous thing! AMIN A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity. Lazarus Long
OooOo	OooOo se agriva so all of vas. Jas sum imigrant olredi 20 years. I jas lichno very dobro go zboruvam makedonCkiot jazik. Skoro imam i debarski accent. I wouldn't sekiram mnogu na takvi traitors. neka god ve blagoslovi all vas OooOo
Whitebaby	OooOo e mnogu dobar dechko t.e. immigrant, koga bevme na gosti ne shetashe so negoviot kar sho mu sedi parkiran pred bildingot kaj sho zhivee.Ne noseshe vo downtown i shetavme pokraj lejkot i gledavme jahti.Ni praveshe barbakju i pievme site bear ... Thank you very much cicko OooOo. Whitebaby
Astrogirl	Dirtdan, don't let them get to you!I'm a first generation Macedonian myself, so i love my birth country too! If someone has a problem with you chatting in english, don't even bother just ignore them. Trust me your not the only "english" one! Cheers! Astrogirl Because life wasn't meant to be boring!
Canmak	Hey Dirt at least you can get on that site He is jealous Dirt, you could get by on two languages and he could get by on one. With your passport you can travel the world, with his passport they can travel the selo's. With in your country you have one of the highest standards of living, in his country he is just living. Talk in english all you want, I do and most of the people talk to me in english. When you come across the idiots just ignore them.......most people ignore me O'CANADA
Thunder from down under	hahhahahhahah white baby i OoOOoO Mozi nekoj da mi prevedi ovaj canmak sho kaza lol
Canmak	Thunder go to the australian section please, i don't see a visa on your passport for the Canadian section This is an internal Canadian problem.......and it will be handled by us Canadians O'CANADA Edited by - Canmak on August 31 2002 05:12:02
Thunder from down under	hahhaha na canadians mnogu im e gajle za makedoncite :)) kolku mene so mi e gajle za aboridzanite uste si makedonija be canmak?
Canmak	Ne be............falo na godspo jas sum doma vo Canada O'CANADA
graf	canmak did u get prolif vo mk Graf in Da Selo !!!
OooOo	quote: canmak did u get prolif vo mk Graf in Da Selo !!! gledash graf kako pishuva literaturno makedonski :)) OooOo
DAVIS	wow iam so glad someone else feels the way i do SO I SAYS TO HIM, I SAYS.......
Canmak	quote: wow iam so glad someone else feels the way i do SO I SAYS TO HIM, I SAYS....... And how exactly do you feel, there are alot of opinions here. By the way welcome to the forums O'CANADA
DAVIS	oh sorry i was talking about the bit at the top about immigrants disrespecting the canadaian born, i hate it with a passion as i have expierienced it alot, being canadian born.thanks for the welcome i was very suprised i came upon this forum, i literaly don't know of any macedonians in canada, let alone australia or the U.S. wwooowwwwwwwww SO I SAYS TO HIM, I SAYS.......
Canmak	What city are you from? O'CANADA
DAVIS	I LIVE IN TORONTO. BORN AN RAISED AND I LOVE IT!!!!!!! SO I SAYS TO HIM, I SAYS.......
Canmak	Graf I had it there, almost all tourist there had it that I spoke to, put it this way I ran out of my anti-Diarhea pills with in the first two weeks I was there, and then after that it was hell...... I lost about 13 pounds there but that was because I also refused to eat more than once a day....I didn't like the taste of the food there, it is not a knock against the food there but I am used to the way things taste over here, our meat taste different here, our chicken taste different here, our ketchup taste different here.....and I expect that the people from over there would say the same thing about our food here. It all comes down to what you are used to I guess. O'CANADA
graf	good to hear. Well when i went last year I got it once, cause i ate a cold pizza at 4 am hahahahaha. Graf in Da Selo !!!
Legal-Eagle	I just couldnt help myself and had to add my 20 cents worth. If there is one thing i have learnt in life it would those who ridicule are the very ones that have some deep set inferiority or insecurity that they mask by "taking the mickey" out of others. NEVER measure your self worth by those around you or those who are intent on insulting you in order to make themselves feel worthy, but measure yourself against yourself. Turn the other cheek, IGNORANCE is BLISS and some people's comments should never be justified nor validated by a replying remark. You are all, Hic, entitled to MY, Hic, opinion!
Legal-Eagle	BTW Canmak, while on holidays i spend considerable time with a Hygienic Physician from Canada, and disappointly enough, i could not believe some of the things he was telling me about your country and its so called "problems". Which brings me to my point ... there is NO other country like Australia, that affords one the freedoms of choice and lifestyle like no other western county How many other countries do you know about that reach federation WITHOUT any bloodshedding Australia has never in its history (as short as it may be) experienced a Civil War nor UpRising. We have a constitution and we use it well. The only gripe i have ... is that we are always dragged into the WARS by with Big Brother USA or our Mother Country. I just wish everyone would just FARK OFF and leave our little island in the sun to those who know how to appreciate it true beauty... the morale of that little temper tamtrum is .... ......... ...... ..... .......... ......... ummmm kinda dunno ... i was just feeling a bit hormonal again You are all, Hic, entitled to MY, Hic, opinion!
graf	well canmak, i agree with you about throwing rubbish in the rivers. They will learn the hard way. It all comes down to education. And you must remember that not everybody in maso throws rubbish on the floor. YOu will see it will just take one bad thing to happen and the ppl will change. My cousin works for a a group to save the OHRID lake. but there is only so much you can do. I know why u didn't swim, cause u can't swim . Canmka the fresh water of MACEDONIA is the best. When I was there last year and ppl asked what I wanted to drink I would say FRESH WATER. They thought I was crazy but they don't relize how good it it. Forget the FRENCH crap , MACEDONIAN is the best Graf in Da Selo !!!
Canmak	Graf you seem to forget I live in the Great Lakes region of N. America.........I know how to swim O'CANADA
graf	batka, u also must remeber that wood flots too Graf in Da Selo !!!
Canmak	The point is that they shouldn't make it beautiful for me, they should make it beautiful for themselves.......I don't plan on going to Mak for a while.......most likely to sell off my Dads land when he gives it to me: O'CANADA
Canmak	Toronto has alot of Macedonians.....actually I believe it has the largest population of people with macedonian heritage outside of Macedonia. T.O is alright, not to big on it myself O'CANADA
graf	quote: actually I believe it has the largest population of people with macedonian heritage outside of Macedonia. why do u say macedonian heritage can't u just say macedonians Graf in Da Selo !!!
moonchild	Canmak, mene mi se ccini deka ti prezirass se ssto e makedonsko! Ne ti se dopagga hranata, zemjata, go podcenuvass standardot za zziveenje, smetass deka luggeto vo Makedonija zboruvaat samo eden jazik itn... Najtragiccno e toa ssto pokraj faktot deka besse vo Makedonija i imasse ssansa da vidiss so svoi occi kako se zzivee tamu seusste go imass istoto mislenje! Se lazzess!!!! Ima lugge i tamu koi zziveat vo mnogu podobri uslovi odkolku onie vo Canada ili USA itn. Imaat mozznost da prossetaat (i ne samo vo selo), poznavaat ne samo eden jazik a hranata navistina ima poinakov vkus no PODOBAR zatoa ssto e poprirodna!!!!! Pozdrav, Moonchild ps. A veruvam i deka se sramiss ssto si Makedonec. Mind is a dangerous thing!
Canmak	Moonchild quote: A veruvam i deka se sramiss ssto si Makedonec. I am a Canadian with macedonian heritage, I am not ashamed of my heritage. If that is what you are getting at. I am disgusted with Macedonia as a country though, not embarrassed. I have never seen so much trash just being thrown into rivers, streams, lakes. I have never seen such lack of care for the enviroment. I have never seen such corruption...........but I guess that is to be expected from a third world country. I do understand that there are people there that live with a high standard of living, I have seen it with my own eyes ( relatives of mine) but I am generally speaking for the whole country and generally speaking the country lacks in everything. As for you saying the food is and I quote "poprirodna!" maybe it is but I could tell you first hand I know that in Macedonia they use seeds that come from Canada, the US, Germany etc. I could also tell you that they use pesticides to spray their orchards and fields. How much poprirodna is it then. Do not think you food is all organic because it isn't. ALl I am saying is that the food had a different flavor, and I didn't like it because I am not used to it. The trip I was just on will probally be the last time I go to Macedonia in a long while, I could see only to return for my cousins wedding ( and that would only be for a week) and to sell my fathers land there when he hands it over to me. Other than that I have no desire to go back there. O'CANADA
graf	quote: but I guess that is to be expected from a third world country WTF u on about. Canmak I know lots of places in Candada that makes the polution problem in maso seem like fresh air. Each country has its problems. And each country has its beauty. The problem here is that you want a higher standard of living and I can see that you think Maso is of a lower standard. But you are WRONG my friend. Instead of pointing out the problems to the ppl, help them solve them. To me there is noting more beautiful than Macedonia. Graf in Da Selo !!!
Canmak	No graf I can't say "Macedonians" because for the most part they are people with Macedonian heritage.......Macedonians are from Macedonia not from Canada. O'CANADA
graf	how do u know they like that to be said about them. I know u like it. But u can't speak for all of macedonians over there. Graf in Da Selo !!!
Canmak	Graf you don't think I have tried helping them, when ever I had trash in my hand and I was out, I would through it in the nearest trash container ....tried to lead by example. I yelled at my aunt and her neighbours when they where throwing trash in the River by there house, I told them that all that trash would go to there drinking water, I also mentioned it to other people but you know what they said " ah Makedonska rabota" that is what we do. The people over there do not care, and don't tell me they do because I seen it with my own eyes........when ever there was a problem people would say it is to be expected, toa je Makedonska Rabota is what I always heard. Oh yeah by the way, My friend from Canada is a Director of the elementary division of the Nova Highschool in Skopje, what I suggested to her was for her to start an enviromental club at the school and she did, I did offer my input to the people that would listen but for the most part people would just laugh it off. Ask me how many times I went in the water at the beaches in Macedonia, the answer is zero. I found the water to be disgusting, and refused to enter, when I see cows in the water at the beach there is no way in hell that I am going in that water, when I see Albania across the lake and realize that there enviromental programs are more than likely non-existant there was no way I was going in the water. I am not saying Canada is the cleanest country in the world, because I know we are not, but I am saying that we are one of the cleanest in the world with some of the best enviromental programs out there. O'CANADA
Canmak	quote: BTW Canmak, while on holidays i spend considerable time with a Hygienic Physician from Canada, and disappointly enough, i could not believe some of the things he was telling me about your country and its so called "problems". Which brings me to my point ... there is NO other country like Australia, that affords one the freedoms of choice and lifestyle like no other western county How many other countries do you know about that reach federation WITHOUT any bloodshedding Just out of curiosity what where some of these "things" this doctor told you We reached federation with out bloodshedding O'CANADA
Canmak	I just speak the truth O'CANADA
graf	u can't handle the truth Graf in Da Selo !!!
Astibus	The revolutionary is a visionary.He see's things other people don't see,the "practical ones".The "practical" person operates within the boundries of what is.The revolutionary see's things as they ought to be. Ernesto Che Guevera
Astibus	Canmak i agree with you that MK is dirty but it doesnt help for you to kick them while theyre down they have bigger problems on their mind than the environment im sure once they fix these problems they will stop and make Macedonia clean and beautiful for you
Legal-Eagle	Canmak, my young canadian doctor and i were conversing on an array of issues. One thing in particular was the fact that your government does not invest $$$$ into its young and its sport. We were watching the Pan Pacific Games and Canada did not win ONE gold medal. When i explained to him that we have an institute for sport. They only ever pump $$$$ into hockey and the other sports are left undeveloped. The percentage of government funding that is available to schools leaves a lot to be desired. Your medical/health system is way below par. ( i have this on good authority as he is a doctor) There are just too many things to mention, but it did leave me with a very deflated opinion of YOUR GRAND CANADA ... but once again ... ignorance is bliss, if you dont know of any better than you will say that is the best place to live ... I on the other hand will beg to differ .... no hard feelings mate You are all, Hic, entitled to MY, Hic, opinion!
Canmak	Legal is there any other sport besides Hockey Our schools are funded well but you must remeber schools are funded by our provinces not funded by the federal gov't and yes there is some differences between the provinces some are richer than others but over all we are still in the top 10 in the world Our health care system is one of the best in the world, I believe it ranks in the top 5 or 10 in the world........is there room for improvement sure there is but every country could improve.....you said/he said it is way below par but against who? You must remeber this is a Canadian doctor who is capped in his earnings...he looks across the border into the states and probally sees doctors in his field making twice as much as he is. Canada has been ranked #1 by the U.N 8 out of the last nine years, this year we did fall behind Norway and Australia, this ranking takes in to consideration the standard of living, education, healthcare, crime, etc No other country has has been number one 8 years in a row, this year we are #3 but the points that seperate us from #1 is very small......now you tell me is there a better place maybe but the body that ranks the world hardly thinks so O'CANADA
graf	evo za tebe Canmak http://www.realitymacedonia.org.mk/web/news_page.asp?nid=2305 Graf in Da Selo !!!
Canmak	Great Graf at least it is a start, looks like even Macedonians are starting to realize there country is disgustingly dirty. P.S Graf do not tell me that the country is clean because even its own citizens say the country is dirty. O'CANADA Edited by - Canmak on September 04 2002 19:42:24
graf	Hay canmak who gives a rat arse about Hockey. I have a stick and two balls tooo quote: looks like even Macedonians are starting to realize there country is disgustingly dirty. before u say that look at your own country. THe country MACEDONIA is not disgustingly dirty, it has dirty parts in it , like nato and eu personal . Graf in Da Selo !!!
BalkanBoy	quote: NEVER measure your self worth by those around you or those who are intent on insulting you in order to make themselves feel worthy Oh yeah? Well f*k you bith! I'm WORTHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! YEAH!! p.s. can you believe you've posted over 1000 times? What in the HELL are you doing here? You oughta be doing other more constructive things :)! and write some emails dammit... Yours unruly, BalkanBoy -- A lie if repeated often enough, becomes the truth.
BalkanBoy	Yes, that is why everyone should (attempt) to move to the United States. It will solve most of your health, sport and all other interesting problems ... . Of course, when I say 'move to the USA', I don't mean inside a food container on a boat either... And quit lambasting Canada... it has water... all kinds of freedoms (last I heard, faggots are allowed to marry?)... and a nice set of Macedonian broads from the ever growing MK diaspora ;)... you can't beat that now, can you? quote: Canmak, my young canadian doctor and i were conversing on an array of issues. One thing in particular was the fact that your government does not invest $$$$ into its young and its sport. We were watching the Pan Pacific Games and Canada did not win ONE gold medal. When i explained to him that we have an institute for sport. They only ever pump $$$$ into hockey and the other sports are left undeveloped. The percentage of government funding that is available to schools leaves a lot to be desired. Your medical/health system is way below par. ( i have this on good authority as he is a doctor) There are just too many things to mention, but it did leave me with a very deflated opinion of YOUR GRAND CANADA ... but once again ... ignorance is bliss, if you dont know of any better than you will say that is the best place to live ... I on the other hand will beg to differ .... no hard feelings mate You are all, Hic, entitled to MY, Hic, opinion! Yours unruly, BalkanBoy -- A lie if repeated often enough, becomes the truth.
graf	how do u know he will give it to u ? He might give it to somebody more worthy that will use the land in maso. Canmak if you don't go back to maso for ages I don't think the country will care that much . It is like me saying I don't think I will go to Canada. Graf in Da Selo !!!
Legal-Eagle	quote: quote: NEVER measure your self worth by those around you or those who are intent on insulting you in order to make themselves feel worthy Oh yeah? Well f*k you bith! I'm WORTHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! YEAH!! p.s. can you believe you've posted over 1000 times? What in the HELL are you doing here? You oughta be doing other more constructive things :)! and write some emails dammit... Yours unruly, BalkanBoy -- A lie if repeated often enough, becomes the truth. Oh damn you, i have missed you so much... sorry about the email thing ... it is pending ... WORTHY?????? I agree! You are worthy of ....... well, only you know what Move to the USA pffffff! What the F*K for? not on your life ... but i would rather they move there than here ... we have a full house, and i am about to start on a campaign of racial cleansing As for posting ... yep i have posted and will continue to post ... afterall, it is very hard to keep a good woman gagged unless you of course ... oh nevermind BalkanBoy ... you are so ...................... ............ ............. ............... .................... ................ ............. ............. ......... ............ WORTHY MY DEAR LORD! You are all, Hic, entitled to MY, Hic, opinion!
dirtdan	By the way, what kind of macedonian handle is giorgi anyways? Quote: I've been accused of vulgarity. I say that's bullshit! Edited by - dirtdan on August 29 2002 05:13:30
graf	Listen , I can't speak or write good macedonian. Ppl like that I laugh at them. Big deal. He called u names. . I just say da fala za ona sto mi rece . But the other problem is that I can see is that u are from Canada . Isn't that part of USA the gold medal champions of both men's and woman's hockey teams in the Sault Lake City Olympic Games Good to hear. I am proud that I know a First generation Macedonian here in OZ that can light a fart . U shouldn't woory to much. Just remember you make, who you are. Adje cao od Graf. Graf in Da Selo !!!
BorisVM	I wouldn't worry too much about idiots like that.
Thunder from down under	dirtdan i agree with u but ,calling someone off the boat does not show much respect,i am sure u family come with the boat dont forget
moonchild	Dirtdan, abe dete zossto dozvoluvass nekoj preku internet da ti zadava tolkava glavobolka?! Zarem tebe ti e tolku mnogu vazzno nekoj drug da te priznae kako Makedonec (osobeno nekoj kako Giorgi ssto voopssto ne go poznavass)? Veruvaj mi dovolno e ssto znaess i samiot deka si Makedonec i deka si gord so toa, a dali teccno go zboruvass jazikot voopssto ne e bitno. Barem jas taka mislam.. kke se razbereme kako i da e! Mnogu pozdrav, Moonchild Mind is a dangerous thing!
BorisVM	quote: Dirtdan, abe dete zossto dozvoluvass nekoj preku internet da ti zadava tolkava glavobolka?! Zarem tebe ti e tolku mnogu vazzno nekoj drug da te priznae kako Makedonec (osobeno nekoj kako Giorgi ssto voopssto ne go poznavass)? Veruvaj mi dovolno e ssto znaess i samiot deka si Makedonec i deka si gord so toa, a dali teccno go zboruvass jazikot voopssto ne e bitno. Barem jas taka mislam.. kke se razbereme kako i da e! Mnogu pozdrav, Moonchild Mind is a dangerous thing! AMIN A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity. Lazarus Long
OooOo	OooOo se agriva so all of vas. Jas sum imigrant olredi 20 years. I jas lichno very dobro go zboruvam makedonCkiot jazik. Skoro imam i debarski accent. I wouldn't sekiram mnogu na takvi traitors. neka god ve blagoslovi all vas OooOo
Whitebaby	OooOo e mnogu dobar dechko t.e. immigrant, koga bevme na gosti ne shetashe so negoviot kar sho mu sedi parkiran pred bildingot kaj sho zhivee.Ne noseshe vo downtown i shetavme pokraj lejkot i gledavme jahti.Ni praveshe barbakju i pievme site bear ... Thank you very much cicko OooOo. Whitebaby
Astrogirl	Dirtdan, don't let them get to you!I'm a first generation Macedonian myself, so i love my birth country too! If someone has a problem with you chatting in english, don't even bother just ignore them. Trust me your not the only "english" one! Cheers! Astrogirl Because life wasn't meant to be boring!
Canmak	Hey Dirt at least you can get on that site He is jealous Dirt, you could get by on two languages and he could get by on one. With your passport you can travel the world, with his passport they can travel the selo's. With in your country you have one of the highest standards of living, in his country he is just living. Talk in english all you want, I do and most of the people talk to me in english. When you come across the idiots just ignore them.......most people ignore me O'CANADA
Thunder from down under	hahhahahhahah white baby i OoOOoO Mozi nekoj da mi prevedi ovaj canmak sho kaza lol
Canmak	Thunder go to the australian section please, i don't see a visa on your passport for the Canadian section This is an internal Canadian problem.......and it will be handled by us Canadians O'CANADA Edited by - Canmak on August 31 2002 05:12:02
Thunder from down under	hahhaha na canadians mnogu im e gajle za makedoncite :)) kolku mene so mi e gajle za aboridzanite uste si makedonija be canmak?
Canmak	Ne be............falo na godspo jas sum doma vo Canada O'CANADA
graf	canmak did u get prolif vo mk Graf in Da Selo !!!
OooOo	quote: canmak did u get prolif vo mk Graf in Da Selo !!! gledash graf kako pishuva literaturno makedonski :)) OooOo
DAVIS	wow iam so glad someone else feels the way i do SO I SAYS TO HIM, I SAYS.......
Canmak	quote: wow iam so glad someone else feels the way i do SO I SAYS TO HIM, I SAYS....... And how exactly do you feel, there are alot of opinions here. By the way welcome to the forums O'CANADA
DAVIS	oh sorry i was talking about the bit at the top about immigrants disrespecting the canadaian born, i hate it with a passion as i have expierienced it alot, being canadian born.thanks for the welcome i was very suprised i came upon this forum, i literaly don't know of any macedonians in canada, let alone australia or the U.S. wwooowwwwwwwww SO I SAYS TO HIM, I SAYS.......