Ivy League Schools in United States of America
The Ivy League consists of eight private institutions of higher education located in the Northeast. It was established as an intercollegiate sports league in the early 1950s after a decade of discussion. Although the term has become shorthand for academic, meritocratic or elitist principles, officially it denotes merely the 8 schools and their round-robin playing schedule that have been mostly absorbed by the NCAA Division I athletic conference.
All of the Ivy League institutions share some general characteristics: They are among the most prestigious and selective schools in the U.S., they consistently place close to the top of college and university rankings; they rank within the top one percent of the world's academic institutions in terms of financial endowment; they attract top-tier students and faculty; and they have relatively small undergraduate populations, ranging between 4,078 for Dartmouth College and 13,700 for Cornell University and modestly sized graduate student populations, ranging between 1,666 for Dartmouth and 14,692 for Columbia. Seven of the eight schools were founded during America's colonial period with the exception of Cornell, which was founded in 1865. Ivy League institutions, therefore, account for seven of the nine colleges chartered before the American Revolution. Although many of them receive funding from the federal or state governments to pursue research, only Cornell has state-supported academic units, termed statutory colleges, that are an integral part of the institution.
Members
The members of the Ivy League are:
1.Brown University, Providence, Rhode Island (private school founded in 1764 as College of Rhode Island).
2.Columbia University, New York, New York (private school founded in 1754 as King's College).
3.Crnell University, Ithaca, New York (private school founded in 1865).
4.Dartmouth College ,Hanover, New Hampshire (private school founded in 1769).
5.Harvard University ,Cambridge, Massachusetts (private school foundedn in 1636, named Harvard College in 1638).
6.Princeton University,Princeton Borough and PrincetonTownship, New Jersey (private school founded in 1746 as College of New Jersey).
7. University of Pennsylvania ,Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (private school foundedn in 1740 1740, named the PhAcademy of Philadelphia in 1749).
8.Yale University,New Haven, Connecticut (private school founded in 1701 as Collegiate School).
Shields and mottos
Brown University
Columbia University
Cornell University
Darthmouth College
Harvard University
University of Pennsylvania
Princeton University
Yale
History
The Ivies and their founders share a common heritage. In England, dissident scholars from the University of Oxford founded the University of Cambridge. A University of Cambridge alumnus, John Harvard, bequeathed in his will a large donation to New College, which became Harvard University. Ten alumni of Harvard founded Yale, and other Harvard alumni, such as minister Increase Mather and his son Cotton Mather, nurtured its development. Alumni of Yale founded (or co-founded) other future Ivy League institutions: Princeton University by Jonathan Dickinson, Dartmouth College by Eleazar Wheelock, and Cornell University by Andrew Dickson White. James Manning, an alumnus of Princeton, co-founded Brown University. Clergymen of an Episcopalian church in New York City became alarmed by the Presbyterian founding of Princeton University (then known as the College of New Jersey) [5]. They established their own "rival" institution, King's College (Columbia University), and elected as its first president a Yale alumnus named Samuel Johnson, who also served as the sole faculty member in the college's early days. When King's College was renamed to Columbia College in 1784, Johnson's son William Samuel Johnson, also a Yale alumnus, became its president. After the University of Pennsylvania opened, its founder Benjamin Franklin received honorary degrees from Harvard and Yale in 1753 and an honorary doctorate from the University of Oxford in 1762 [6].
The Ivies have been competing in sports as long as intercollegiate sports have existed in the United States. Boat clubs from Harvard and Yale met in the first sporting event held between students of two U.S. colleges on Lake Winnipesaukee, New Hampshire, in 1852. As an informal football league, the Ivy League dates from 1900 when Yale took the conference championship with a 5-0 record. For many years Army (the United States Military Academy), Navy (the United States Naval Academy), and to a lesser extent Rutgers were considered members, but dropped out shortly before formal organization. For instance, Army traditionally had a rivalry with Yale, and Rutgers had rivalries with Princeton and Columbia, which continue today in sports other than football.
Before the formal formation of the Ivy League, there was an "unwritten and unspoken agreement among certain Eastern colleges on athletic relations". In 1935, The Associated Press reported on an example of collaboration between the schools:
the athletic authorities of the so-called "Ivy League" are considering drastic measures to curb the increasing tendency toward riotous attacks on goal posts and other encroachments by spectators on playing fields.[1]
Despite such collaboration, the universities did not seem to consider the formation of the league as imminent. Romeyn Berry, Cornell's director of intercollegiate relations, reported the situation in January 1936 as follows:
I can say with certainty that in the last five years — and markedly in the last three months — there has been a strong drift among the eight or ten universities of the East which see a good deal of one another in sport toward a closer bond of confidence and cooperation and toward the formation of a common front against the threat of a breakdown in the ideals of amateur sport in the interests of supposed expediency.
Please do not regard that statement as implying the organization of an Eastern conference or even a poetic "Ivy League." That sort of thing does not seem to be in the cards at the moment.[2]
Within a year of this statement and after having held one-month-long discussions about the proposal, on December 3, 1936, the idea of "the formation of an Ivy League" gained enough traction among the undergraduate bodies of the universities that the Columbia Daily Spectator, The Cornell Daily Sun, The Dartmouth, The Harvard Crimson, The Daily Pennsylvanian, The Daily Princetonian and the Yale Daily News would simultaneously run an editorial entitled "Now Is the Time", encouraging the seven universities to form the league in an effort to preserve the ideals of athletics.[3] Part of the editorial read as follows:
The Ivy League exists already in the minds of a good many of those connected with football, and we fail to see why the seven schools concerned should be satisfied to let it exist as a purely nebulous entity where there are so many practical benefits which would be possible under definite organized association. The seven colleges involved fall naturally together by reason of their common interests and similar general standards and by dint of their established national reputation they are in a particularly advantageous position to assume leadership for the preservation of the ideals of intercollegiate athletics.[7]
The proposal did not succeed — on January 11, 1937, the athletic authorities at the schools rejected the "possibility of a heptagonal league in football such as these institutions maintain in basketball, baseball and track". However, they noted that the league "has such promising possibilities that it may not be dismissed and must be the subject of further consideration".[4]
In 1945 the presidents of the eight schools signed the first Ivy Group Agreement, which set academic, financial, and athletic standards for the football teams. The principles established reiterated those put forward in the Harvard-Yale-Princeton Presidents' Agreement of 1916. The Ivy Group Agreement established the core tenet of admission strictly based on academic merit:
The members of the Group reaffirm their prohibition of athletic scholarships. Athletes shall be admitted as students and awarded financial aid only on the basis of the same academic standards and economic need as are applied to all other students.
In 1954, the date generally accepted as the birth of the Ivy League, the presidents extended the Ivy Group Agreement to all intercollegiate sports. Competition began with the 1956 season.
As late as the 1960s many of the Ivy League universities' undergraduate programs remained open only to men, with Cornell the only one to have been coeducational from its founding (1865) and Columbia being the last (1983) to become coeducational. Before they became coeducational, many of the Ivy schools maintained extensive social ties with nearby Seven Sisters women's colleges, including weekend visits, dances and parties inviting Ivy and Seven Sisters students to mingle. This was the case not only at Barnard College and Radcliffe College, which were situated very near to Columbia and Harvard, but at more distant institutions as well. The movie Animal House includes a satiric version of the formerly common visits by Dartmouth men to Massachusetts to meet Smith and Mount Holyoke women, a drive of more than two hours. Some sources suggest that the Seven Sisters group was so named as a parallel to the Ivy League.
Reputation
All Ivy League schools are known for their highly selective undergraduate programs, and acceptance rates now range from 8.6% for Yale[9] to 24.7% for Cornell. [10]
In most college and university rankings, all or almost all of the Ivy League schools rank in the top tier. The ranking of the schools is greatly dependent on what each survey places the most weight, such as average class size, volume of research, and faculty accolades.
Endowments
Total endowment wealth:
The Ivy League schools are among the wealthiest private universities in the U.S. All of the Ivy-League schools have financial endowments over $1 billion.
* Harvard: $25.5 billion endowment (as of 2005). This makes Harvard the wealthiest university in the world.[12]
* Yale: $15.2 billion (2005 value). This makes Yale the second-wealthiest in the world.
* Princeton: $11.2 billion. This makes Princeton the fifth-wealthiest in the world.
* Columbia: $5.2 billion
* University of Pennsylvania: $4.4 billion
* Cornell: $3.8 billion.
* Dartmouth: $2.7 billion
* Brown: $2.0 billion.
Cooperation
Seven of the eight schools (Harvard excluded) participate in the Borrow Direct interlibrary loan program, making a total of 88 million items available to participants with a waiting period of four working days.The ILL program is not affiliated with the formal Ivy arrangement.
Web sites of the Ivy League Schools:
1.http://www.brown.edu/
2.http://www.columbia.edu/
3.http://www.cornell.edu/
4.http://www.dartmouth.edu/
5.http://www.harvard.edu/
6.http://www.upenn.edu/
7.http://www.princeton.edu/main/
8.http://www.yale.edu/
I hope this info will help some people to achieve their goals...You can post any questions, info, oppinions or your own experiences during studies or job huntings...
p.s for any info or help you need pls writne me pm msg..
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| Originally posted by NINOCHKA ivy League se narekuvaat i drugi, neoficijalni clenovi univerziteti so visok rejting. Od oficijalnite, jas bi glasala za Columbia :) |
I have a Bachelor's Degree in Business Administration and currently I am a Graduate student finishing up my Masters in Global Economics and Diplomacy in a private school. At the same time I am attending University of California at Los Angeles...taking Law classes. Even though UCLA is not an Ivy League School, but is an excellent one and I strognly recomend it.
1.Harvard University (MA)
2.Stanford University (CA)
3.University of Pennsylvania (Wharton)
4.Massachusetts Institute of Technology (Sloan)
4.Northwestern University (Kellogg) (IL)
6.University of Chicago
7.Columbia University (NY)
7.University of California–Berkeley (Haas)
9.Dartmouth College (Tuck) (NH)
10.University of California–Los Angeles (Anderson)
11.Duke University (Fuqua) (NC)
11.University of Michigan–Ann Arbor (Ross)
13.New York University (Stern)
13.University of Virginia (Darden)
15.Yale University (CT)
16.Carnegie Mellon University (Tepper) (PA)
16.Cornell University (Johnson) (NY)
18.Emory University (Goizueta) (GA)
18.University of Texas–Austin (McCombs)
20.University of North Carolina–Chapel Hill (Kenan-Flagler)
21.Purdue University–West Lafayette (Krannert) (IN)
22.Ohio State University (Fisher)
23.Indiana University–Bloomington (Kelley)
23.Michigan State University (Broad)
23.University of Minnesota–Twin Cities (Carlson)
26.University of Rochester (Simon) (NY)
26.Washington University in St. Louis (Olin)
28.University of Illinois–Urbana-Champaign
29.University of Southern California (Marshall)
29.University of Washington
31.Texas A&M University–College Station (Mays)
31.University of Notre Dame (Mendoza) (IN)
31.University of Wisconsin–Madison
34.Arizona State University–Main Campus (Carey)
34.Brigham Young University (Marriott) (UT)
34.Georgetown University (McDonough) (DC)
34.Georgia Institute of Technology
38.Pennsylvania State University–University Park (Smeal)
38.University of California–Irvine (Merage)
38.University of Maryland–College Park (Smith)
41.Boston College (Carroll)
41.Southern Methodist University (Cox) (TX)
41.University of Florida (Warrington)
44.Boston University
44.Rice University (Jones) (TX)
46.University of California–Davis
46.University of Georgia (Terry)
48.University of Pittsburgh (Katz)
49.Babson College (Olin) (MA)
49.Tulane University (Freeman) (LA)
49.Vanderbilt University (Owen) (TN)
Top Law Schools:
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/law/brief/lawrank_brief.php
Top Business Schools
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/mba/brief/mbarank_brief.php
Top Schools/Medicine
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/med/brief/mdrrank_brief.php
Top Schools/Engineering
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/eng/brief/engrank_brief.php
Top Schools/Education
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/edu/brief/edurank_brief.php
Top Schools/Programs in Sciencehttp://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/phdsci/phdsciindex_brief.php
Top Schools/Library ind Information Studieshttp://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/lib/libindex_brief.php
Top Schools/Programs in Social Sciences & Humanities
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/phdhum/phdhumindex_brief.php
Top Schools/Health Programs
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/hea/heaindex_brief.php
Top Schools/Public Affairs
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/pub/pubindex_brief.php
Top Schools/Fine Arts
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/arts/artsindex_brief.php
Sashke, there is also one Ivy school in Canada. It's the Western University Ivy School of Business in London, Ontario
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| Originally posted by wolf_pack IVY schools students' beleive in paying high amounts of money for education. By no means they have the best talent all around, connections hmmm maybe... Ivy league schools competed in one of the racing leagues that I was a part of as well. Even though Cornell University won it all, the reason was very simple --> Money (unlimited budget). Their team used chromalli and titanium materials whereas other schools could afford regular grade steel and alluminum, the difference was very little but enough to get them the extra weight points. Was their design exceptional or efficient? HELLS NO. I wouldn't give those guys a mop job at Dairy Queen, but luckuly for them, money and connections get them thru this world... Sashke, there is also one Ivy school in Canada. It's the Western University Ivy School of Business in London, Ontario |
Alex, Ivy League shkolite se odlicni, se razbira dokolku studentinte mozat finansiski se snajdat. Postojat i mnogu borjni stipendii na ovie shkoli. Shto se odnesuva za deca od MKD, mislam deka mozat da se prijavat za SOROS ili Ron Brown schoolarships ili fellowships. Ne sum sigurna dali istite funkcioniraat sesuhte vo MKD. Dokolku nekoj ima info okolu toa moze slobodno da postira. Zapsihuvanjeto na Harvard eve da receme ne e merilo deka ti odma posle diplomska sledniot den te ceka rabota. Sam treba da se ziboris. Da imeto pomaga dosta za da dobies intervju. Ali nataka e tvoe da se "prodadesh" so se vika...It is all how you represent yourself...It is all how you sell yourself...
p.s Dosta moi drugarki i drugari dojdova na dobri univerziteti preku Ron Brown Fellowship Program, no, imaa J1 viza i dogovor so nashata vlada, da posle studiite se vratat vo MKD i rabotat vo nekoja od nashite "institucii"...I mislam deka imaat pravo da se vratat vo USA posle 2 godini...Ne sum sigurna treba da se rasprasham...pa ke postiram pak...
Ivy Leage se odnesuva na undergraduate. Za Graduate toa e poinaku i sekoj univerzitet si ima svoj jaki i poslabi departmenti. Na primer za Medicina, megju prvite 5 se John Hopkins, Duke, Washington University koj oficijalno ne se vo Ivy League. Faktot sto 7 od 8 skoli se osnovani uste pred Amerikanskata revolucija kazuva deka imaat golema tradicija i prednost pred drugite fakluteti koga se raboti za imeto. Tie se top po imanje na pari. Taka da edno so drugo se vrzuva i ako nekoj ima reputacija togas uspehot ragja nov uspeh.
Kolku e toa navistina uspeh na universitetot a kolku na toa deka tuka najpametnite doagjaat? Tesko e da se kaze.
No ima nekoj indicii deka ne e se kako sto treba vo najdobrite skoli. Na primer, toj sto ja prati ovaa tematika znae vo kakov skandal doskora bese zameshan Harvard so ostavkata koja nejziniot predsedatel ja dade skoro, Larry Summers. Iako kontroverzen, sepak Summers ukaza na nekoj problemi na Harvard. Zastareni metodi na ucenje, k*rikulum koj ne bil updatuvan so godini, nezainteresirani profesori... Vo Harvard ( a i na drugi mesta) e poznat problemot so inflated grades:
http://www.columbiaspectator.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/03/20/441e68d04bbff
vo 2004 i 2005 godina poveke od polovina od studentite imaa A ili A minus sto e neverojaten broj.
Harvard e poznat po toa da studentite konzistentno se nezadovolni od svojot prestoj vo Harvard kako akademska institucija
http://www.boston.com/news/education/higher/articles/2005/03/29/student_life_at_harvard_lags_peer_schools_poll_finds/
a i tuka
http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=506807
Dobro e sto postojat vakvi rangiranja sepak. Sigurno ne se idealni no sepak se stremat kon nekoj kvalitet. Samo taka moze da se ima pregled. Sigurno e deka sansite se mnogu pogolemi nekoj koj ima diploma od Ivy League da e dobar rabotnik, no bar vo USA za kratko vreme se gleda koj e dobar a koj ne. Taka da , i da ne e nekoj od Ivy League, mozebi ima poceten nedostatok no toj brgu se nadoknaduva i rabotite si doagjaat na svoe mesto.
Mojot Masters ne e od Ivy League, no sepak me nauchi dosta. A i nemav golem izbor na fakulteti vo okolinata kade shto mozev da odam navecher otkako najdov rabota.
Ima i slichni zenski shkoli shto se rachunaat Ivy League. Neshto kako Mt. Holyoke, Wellesly
http://www.iie.org/programs/ronbrown/posts.htm
http://www.ronbrown.org/p-add_rscr.htm
The first link goes by Country. You can find the programs offered, elegibility, and the contact addresses.
SOROS Schoolraship and Fellowship Programs:
http://www.tfasinternational.org/iipes/admissions/soros.asp
Edinstvena prednost koja ja gledam e shansata za podobro prvo vrabotuvanje.
Ako chovek saka da nauchi, ce nauchi i na "prosechnite" univerziteti.
Zavrshiv elektrotechnichki fakultet vo Skopje - golem pozdrav do moite profesori.
Potpolno sum ramnopraven so germanskive kadri.
Kade e sega greshkata?
Jas sum nekoj izrod (gi ima edno kupche kako mene izrodi dojdeni od Makedonija)?
Fakultetot vo Skopje e eliten?
ili ....
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| Originally posted by nikolahn Ovie raboti okolu "elitnite" univerziteti ne mi se bash jasni. Edinstvena prednost koja ja gledam e shansata za podobro prvo vrabotuvanje. Ako chovek saka da nauchi, ce nauchi i na "prosechnite" univerziteti. Zavrshiv elektrotechnichki fakultet vo Skopje - golem pozdrav do moite profesori. Potpolno sum ramnopraven so germanskive kadri. Kade e sega greshkata? Jas sum nekoj izrod (gi ima edno kupche kako mene izrodi dojdeni od Makedonija)? Fakultetot vo Skopje e eliten? ili .... |
Mnogu ubavo kazano.Potpolno se slagam so tebe. Ovoj Topic e cisto infromacija za deca shto sto bi sakale da idat na tie shkoli kako prvo, kako vtoro na dosta deca ni im e jasen "Ivt League" kako poim, pa cisto postirav za kako e seto toa nastanato.Kako treto, postirav info i od prosecni shkoli vo USA, znaci ne samo "elitnite". I kako cetvrto dodadov info za Fellowhip Progams. Na ovoj Topic mozete da postirate sve shto mislite deka bi pomognalo, dali e toa nekoja informacija, dali nesho ke kazete od vashe iskustvo za vreme na studii, ili pak nesho oklu samite intrvjua za rabota...itd itd.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB114549432060630668-email.html
More middle- and upper-income families are trying to assess the value of a degree from a top-tier school. Even as the price of attending an elite college approaches $50,000 a year, less-prestigious schools are offering more merit aid, making the cost differences starker. At some schools that are well-regarded, though not Ivy League, the discounts can be hefty. At Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, in Troy, N.Y., which costs about $40,000 a year, about a quarter of last fall's freshman class of 1,250 received merit scholarships averaging about $15,000 each. About 45% of the students at Case Western Reserve University, in Cleveland, receive merit-aid packages of up to $25,000 a year.
Mislenjevo i informaciive se od osoba vo higher education admissions so fokus na ivy leagues
Sakam i da objasnam za university vs.collage ( radi eden post na muzika za da se nemat nedorazbiranja normalno)
University of California Berkeley e college (unievrzitet e, mada college/univerzitet e distinkcija samo vo odnos na golemina i ne prajt ama nikakva razlika vo odnos na akademija ili kvallitet) del od University of California sistemot. Znaci University of California vo Berkeley - najak kampus im e. Se racunat ko public (drzavno) Ivy League, zato shto e isto tolku jak i renomiran ko shto se Ivy League skolite.
Ivy League e dezignacija koja den denes se koristi za 8te najaki univerziteti/koledzi - site se na istocen breg, a Ivy League imeto doagja od toa shto na vremeto site bile vkluceni vo istata sportska liga, koja taka se vikala. Znaci Ivy League se misli na tie osum najdobri univerziteti, demek prestizni. Site se privatni: Brown University, vo Providence Rhode Island, Columbia University, NYC, Cornell University vo Ithaca, NY, Darthmouth College, vo NH, Harvard University, Boston, University of Pennsylvania, Philadephia, Princeton Universtity, NJ, i Yale University vo New Haven, CT.
E sega, lugjeto znaet da gi vklucet vo istata grupa i drugite univerziteti koi se isto taka jaki i kompetitivni ama ne bile vo originalnata Ivy League grupa i ne se privatni. Tie se vikaat Public Ivy Leagues i vo princip se slednite: MIT, UC Berkeley, Stanford, Duke...zavisno od kogo prashvis tuka se nekade i University of Michigan, University of Virginia i nekoj drugi.
So eden zbor Ivy Leagues se najkompetitivnite akademski skoli vo Amerika, vo koi godisno apliciret po 15,000 lugje a vlegvet samo 1000. :)
Skolite kade shto ucat deca na ljuge so ne znaet kolku pari imet i se izgor skapi
kratko kazanoidemo dalje...
Direkno od mk mozet da se najdet max 2-3 koi ke kvalifikuvet na Ivy leagues:))Ko ke istajt nekoj 1600 ili 2200 od noviot SAT jas kosmonaut ke se pram
Mislam deka topikov ke e od nekoja si polza ako mozime da najdime informacii za IVy Leagues koi pokrivet cela skolarina i zivot na deca cii roditeli praet ispod 40 000 dolari godisno, znaci site makedonci
(princeton i harvard)ako vlezis na niv.A Soros ko ke sponzorirt nekoj za na Ivy League.......
Shto znacat ovie shkoli vo pogled na kvalitetot, kakvi sofisticirani metodi tie upotrebuvaat, vo shto e razlikata okolu nastavnata programa, dali stvarno od niv chovek izleguva postruchen otkolku od drugite prosechni univerziteti, i definitivno koja e razlikata vo "start-up" pri prvo zaposluvanje, odnosno vo koj obem shansite so vakva diploma se pogolemi od drugite ?
Moeto iskustvo od kontakti so strancive ( mislam deka nieden nemal zavrsheno nekoj eliten fakultet) ispagja deka nie vo nishto ne sme poloshi od niv, i nikolahn fino prasha, vo koja klasa bi go smestile nashiov Sv.KiM
Mnogu raboti vo tovjot post se izmeshani. Vikas deka toj vo CA im e najpoznat kampus. DA..i eden e. Berkely vo California nema vrska so toj kampus vo Bostn, toa e sosema druga skola.
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| Originally posted by Sirius Moeto iskustvo od kontakti so strancive ( mislam deka nieden nemal zavrsheno nekoj eliten fakultet) ispagja deka nie vo nishto ne sme poloshi od niv, i nikolahn fino prasha, vo koja klasa bi go smestile nashiov Sv.KiM |
Vo dolna klasa spagja. Od prosta pricina sto nemoze preku odredeni iselenici koj uspeale da se sudi za kvalitetot. Tie , na mal broj se retki koj vlozile dosta sopstven napor da nauchat i usovrsat i probijat. Najgolemiot broj studenti od nasiot fakultet ne se takvi. Student od Sv Kim voopsto ne e sinonim za kvalitet zatoa sto voopsto ne se znae sto kvalitet e. Na univerzitetot tamu nema rangiranje na studentite, profesorite ne publikuvaat vo svetska literatura so golem impact factor taka da moze da se kaze deka univerzitetot go vodat lugje sto znaat sto e aktuelno i se vo svetski ramki nekoj pa taka i gi ucat studentite znaejki sto e bitno i sto ne e, ocenkite se davaat so vrski taka da eden student so prosek 10 moze da e navistina odlicen ili uzasno korumpiran mrzlivec koj se so vrski postignal. Nikakvo spreg so industrijata se nema sto e karakteristika golema na Amerikanskite universiteti. Se uchi toa sto na ekonomijata i e potrebno. Coek koga ke mi dojde so diploma od SV Kim ne mi znachi nisto toa posto ne znaes za sto se raboti. Potrebno e da go zaposlis i na delo vidis sto e i kakov e. Pak da povtoram, postoi selection bias zatoa sto tie sto odat vo stranstvo i tamu baraat rabota se pospremni od tie sto cekaat rabota vo MK i dobivaat rabota vo MK so vrski pretezno.
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Originally posted by Satanico Pandemonium
Vo dolna klasa spagja. Od prosta pricina sto nemoze preku odredeni iselenici koj uspeale da se sudi za kvalitetot. Tie , na mal broj se retki koj vlozile dosta sopstven napor da nauchat i usovrsat i probijat. Najgolemiot broj studenti od nasiot fakultet ne se takvi. Student od Sv Kim voopsto ne e sinonim za kvalitet zatoa sto voopsto ne se znae sto kvalitet e. Na univerzitetot tamu nema rangiranje na studentite, profesorite ne publikuvaat vo svetska literatura so golem impact factor taka da moze da se kaze deka univerzitetot go vodat lugje sto znaat sto e aktuelno i se vo svetski ramki nekoj pa taka i gi ucat studentite znaejki sto e bitno i sto ne e, ocenkite se davaat so vrski taka da eden student so prosek 10 moze da e navistina odlicen ili uzasno korumpiran mrzlivec koj se so vrski postignal. Nikakvo spreg so industrijata se nema sto e karakteristika golema na Amerikanskite universiteti. Se uchi toa sto na ekonomijata i e potrebno. Coek koga ke mi dojde so diploma od SV Kim ne mi znachi nisto toa posto ne znaes za sto se raboti. Potrebno e da go zaposlis i na delo vidis sto e i kakov e. Pak da povtoram, postoi selection bias zatoa sto tie sto odat vo stranstvo i tamu baraat rabota se pospremni od tie sto cekaat rabota vo MK i dobivaat rabota vo MK so vrski pretezno. |
Totalno te razbiram shto sakas da kazes, se slagam i so tebe i vo golema mera i so Sirius. Ne se zbori za nekoi individualnosti sto po svoja inicijativa zdravo si ja svatile rabotata shto znaci da se studira, da se educira, da si primeren, ambiciozen i da gledas sekogas da ides napred i da si nad drugite. Toa se pravi ne samo preku studiite na Sv.KiM, nego i so ponatamoshno citanje, praksa, sledenje na nastani i dopolnitelno usovrsuvanje. Sepak toa e do individualnost. Zalno e sto nashiot Univerzitet vo MKD nema ranking, nitu pak studentite se rankirani po nekoj metod. Znaci ne se dava motivacija na istite. Kako nekoj student sto nema leb da jade bi bil motiviran za red raboti, koga vo ist klas nekoj dobil 10 so vrski ili slicno. Se gubi sekakva zelba za kompeticija, i ponatamosno studiranje-ova cisto za nekoi studenti. Medzudrugoto, kaj nas previshe vreme se obrnuva na teorija sto e osnova na drugite raboti, no praskata niakde ja nema. Premnogu sme nazad ne samo od Univerzitetite vo USA nego i vo EU. Sistemot treba da se promeni vo dosta nasoki. Vo contrast, retki se tie luge sto po svoja incijativa vo MKD gledale da postignat poveke od toa sto im se nodi- ali toa pridonesuva dodatni troshkovi. Dosta studenti ne se vo moznost toa da si go priustat poradi finansiski pricini, i se baziraat na toa sto go nabubale za ispit. Isto smetam deka treba da se vovede kaj nas i eden vid na stipendija kako pomos na takvite studenti. Ova cisto pisuvam sve sto mi pagam na um...sigurno pak ke postiram.:)
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| Originally posted by Sirius Rage, ova shto go kazuvash e isto taka solidna informacija, odnosno tvoe viduvanje za sostojbite i za moznostite da se zapishe nekoj od Mkd na ovie elitni shkoli. Indormaciite, shto gi plasireshe Sasha, a isto i drugite komentari ja pravat pokompletna slikata za ovie "famozni univerziteti" za koi dosta sme slushale! Shto znacat ovie shkoli vo pogled na kvalitetot, kakvi sofisticirani metodi tie upotrebuvaat, vo shto e razlikata okolu nastavnata programa, dali stvarno od niv chovek izleguva postruchen otkolku od drugite prosechni univerziteti, i definitivno koja e razlikata vo "start-up" pri prvo zaposluvanje, odnosno vo koj obem shansite so vakva diploma se pogolemi od drugite ? Moeto iskustvo od kontakti so strancive ( mislam deka nieden nemal zavrsheno nekoj eliten fakultet) ispagja deka nie vo nishto ne sme poloshi od niv, i nikolahn fino prasha, vo koja klasa bi go smestile nashiov Sv.KiM |
na pocetokot na postov naglasiv deka "Mislenjevo i informaciive se od osoba koja raboti (znaci se shkoluvala i to i e profesija) higher education admissions so fokus na ivy leagues "
znaci valjda imat nekoe poznavanje pojke od mene i od tebe(so ne znacit deka so to se potcenvime nie ednostavno sekoj imat razlicna profesija i to e kul:))))
pobarav mislenje i sovet kako najlesno i najprosto ke objasnam za da sekoj clen na ovaj forum so ke dojti i procitat -svatit i naucit neso!!
to mi bese celta!ne zedov copy/paste nego glupo objasnav
aj pak po red:
Sv. Kiril i Metodij po strucnost e na nivo na community f**king colleges vo amerika.... imame kadar koj mojt voda da mu nosit na kadarot so izlegvit od Ivy Leagues, pa i najglupite(zatupenite). .. Ivy Leagues nemozet da se klaet vo ist kosh. Zavisit so studirash, i na koja katedra... dali ucish fizika na princeton ili na yale prajt ogromna razlika... dali ucish umetnost na Yale ili MIt e isto taka golemaaaaaaa razlika....
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| Rage, Mnogu raboti vo tovjot post se izmeshani. Vikas deka toj vo CA im e najpoznat kampus. DA..i eden e. Berkely vo California nema vrska so toj kampus vo Bostn, toa e sosema druga skola. |
sashka...ne znam iskreno zs za sekoja sitnica mi se fakas na ovaja tema ,valjda zs bef iskrena ama okej evo ke popushtam ushe ovaj pat i samo ke ti odgovoram da ne ispadnam krava
imas zbunka vo spelingot poso....toj vo Boston e muzicki konzervatorium i se vikat BerklEE college, i nikoj ne go spomena toj. Ovoj e BerkELEy. ... ne e eden i ne e zaseben faks, posto e del e od University of California sistemot ko so predhodno kazav, i najpoznat University of California college, del od koi se slednite:
UC Davis
UC Irvine
UC Los Angeles
UC San Diego
UC Santa Barbara
UC Santa Cruz
UC San Francisco
i UC Berkeley kako najpoznat kampus od celiot UC California public University sistem sponzoriran i finansiran od drzavata california.
ne moram da imam MD ili bla bla za da dam mislenje na nekoja tema i to da bidit prifateno na isto nivo so site drugi
ne bladam naprazno nego se informiram pred da napisam za da ne iznesam pogreshen podatok za neso ko na pr ova sega
forumov go citat sekoj kako so kazav i mubaetov e da se pomoginit
edinstven so fokus na undergraduate e princeton, sve ostanato e pojako vo graduate programi... public unievrsiteti posebno Ivy Public tesko da davet stipendii za stranci, samo na privatnite to. .nasite pusceni od makedonija ovde so se usloveni da se vratet nazad, idet na specijalni programi kreairani samo za stranci (najcesto vo government, IP i diplomatija) i najcesto na Harvard Kennedy School - fellowships i f**king fullbright programi, so nemet vrska so generalnite programi na univerzitetite... aplikaciite ne se isti, ne e ista selekcijata i ne se isti uslovite za tie...na nieden Ivy league nemalo ne makedonec tuku balkanec vo general application pool i nemat da ima use dogledno vreme, zato so ne e samo prosek vo prasanje i SAT score, tuku intership VO cote d'evoire na 14 godini... kratko i surovo kazano mozet da sonvet undegrad ivy league education makedoncive....
glupo e da se shirat polovicni informacii poso na nikogo nema da mu pomognat tuku samo im trosat vreme na lugjeto.
Jas se izvinuvam, ako ne sme se razbrale, vo red. Jas mislev deka ti sakashe da kazes deka toj vo Boston e del od ovj vo CA. vo red. Tocno Ima dva sistema UC sistem i CAL sistem sto se odnesuva na California. Inace ne se davaat stipendii teshko za stranci, ima nacini. Dosta nashi deca od MKD uspea da dibjat stipendii na najakite Unverziteti vo USA. Cak sto vise prvata godina dokolku moras da ja platis ke se izdrzi. No, ako site ocenki ti se A oni samo te zadrzuvaat i te sponzoriraat se dodeka ne si dozvolish G.P.A da ti e podole od prosek koi sto go baraat oni.
p.s Berkley ne e najpoznat FAX vo California, nego e odlicno rangiran i kvaliteten. Zborot Campus go mesas so zborot Unverzitet. Campus e del od samiot Univerzitet. Pr: Vikam idam na Campus oddel Pravo da citnam neso. Neznam dali me razbiras. A po najpoznat zavisi sto se podrazbira. Inace imaat oni posebni kriteriumi za rankiranje sto ne znaci deka kvalitetot na eve da receme UCLA i sostavot na studenti e polosh. Za kriteriumi koga ke najdam ke postiram zs pisuvam od rabota pa moram da pazam i drugi raboti.
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| Originally posted by Sirius Satanico, ako dobro te rabrav sakash da kazhesh deka nash prosechen diplomec e "tapa" vo odnos na ovie drugive, elitnive diplomci. Eptem ne unishti (smile) so tvojov komentar...veruvam deka si vo pravo, drzat voda tvoite konstatacii....no i nie ovde uchime ( ke zemam primer od mojata struka-ekonomija) od knigite na Fridman, Kotler, Samuelson, Draker, Shumpeter, tie se avtorite koi cel svet gi uchi, yie gi definirale neshtata....sigurno nashiot nastaven kadar e poslab, no deka sme bile do toa deredze ne mi se veruva...eve brat mi e grad ing. porano koga nashive gradea vo arapskive zemji, vo Kuvajt pokonkretno imal nadzor Amerikanec diplomec od nekoj first class university, mi veleshe bratmi deka tie "ameri" voda mozat da i nosat na nashive jaki inzhinjeri, ne beshe takov komentarot samo na brat mi tuku i na negovite kolegi....postoi ovde edna "fama" deka imame jak univerzitet,mnogu nashi siplomci i post dipl.v imale kakvi takvi kontakti so amerive ( a nekoi i bile na usovrshuvanje tamu) ednostavno nashive ne se davaat, megju koi i samiot se vbrojuvam:)))) |
Problemot e tokmu toj sto nasite universiteti nemaat merila za sporedbi. Toa sto se uci od isti knigi ne znachi nisto. Ke ti kazam eve primer potocno sto sakam da kazam pogotovo koga se raboti za standardi.
Na primer, vo Amerika site studenti na medicina treba da polozat odredeni (2 po broj) ispiti bez razlika od koj universitet doagjaat i ovie se zadolzitelni ispiti. Prviot se preklinickite predmeti, vtoriot klinickite, znaci cela medicina. Ona sto e bitno e , da toj ispit se dava vo isto vreme na site studenti po medicina bez razlika na universitetot. Znaci, site ist ispit imaat. Ispitot e okolu 1000 prasanja taka da se minimizira problmot (koj na primer vo Skopskiot univerzitet so usnite ispiti po tri prasanja e ekstremno prisuten) da nekoj ako naucil 90% od materijalot a mu se padne edno od tri prasanja od 10% sto ne naucil padne na ispitot. Znaci, se ocenuva znaenje a ne neznaenje. Na kraj, sekoj student dobiva score, rezultat koj e prakticki negoviot procent vo odnos na drugite studenti. Na ovoj nacin tocno se znae sto i kakov e eden student koga ke se sporedi so bilo koj drug student od cela US. Isto taka, so ovoj ispit se ocenuvaat i medicinskite skoli. Vednas se znae kolkava e prosecnata ocenka vo eden fakultet. A vo ramkite na fakultetot mozat da se ocenat odredeni profesori i katedri. Na primet, ako po farmakologija ima statisticki mnogu poniski ocenki odkolku vo drugite predmeti toa e vednas znak deka ne e do studentite tuku profesorite.
Eh, sega, ona sto e najinteresno e da ovoj ispit moze da go polaga sekoj student na medicina vo svetot ako saka!! Ustvari eden e od uslovite za stranski lekari da imigriraat vo US. Nema potreba da kazam, deka iako se uchi od isti knigi na nas fakultet so Amerikanskite fakulteti odprilike prosekot na tie sto go polozile ispitot kaj nas ( a toa e od onie sto se prijavile i sto znaci go spremale i se motivirani da izbegaat) e 2-3% vo zavisnost od godinata. Prosek 10 kaj nas voopsto ne e nikakvo merilo deka ispitot ke se polozi. Vo Amerika 98% go polozuvaat.
Sega, isto i da napomenam deka i od MK ima lugje sto se rangirale na ovoj ispit vo prvite 5% i poveke no toa e samo zaradi motiviranosta i ekstremniot napor i talent na individuata, nisto drugo. Statisticki, nema nikakva korelacija negoviot uspeh so konzistentniot uzasno los outcome na ovoj ispit od nasiot fakultet. Prasanje e na primer sega zosto nasiot fakultet bar ne se sporeduva i ne go uvede ovoj standard koj e veke izraboten vo svetot? Se razbira, na nikogo vo MK toa ne mu odgovara. Najmnogu ne im odgovara od dekanot, do profesorite pa preku studentite koj so vrski dobivaat 10 za da mozat polesno da se vrabotat posle. Ete, zatoa smetam deka nasiot universitet e los. Ustvari ubeden sum, bar za medicina imam podatoci deka e toa taka. A ne gledam zosto medicinata bi bila podrugo od drugite fakulteti. Mali se nijansite vo MK.
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| Originally posted by RaGeAnGeL [br .... .nasite pusceni od makedonija ovde so se usloveni da se vratet nazad, idet na specijalni programi kreairani samo za stranci (najcesto vo government, IP i diplomatija) i najcesto na Harvard Kennedy School - fellowships i f**king fullbright programi, so nemet vrska so generalnite programi na univerzitetite... aplikaciite ne se isti, ne e ista selekcijata i ne se isti uslovite za tie...na nieden Ivy league nemalo ne makedonec tuku balkanec vo general application pool i nemat da ima use dogledno vreme, zato so ne e samo prosek vo prasanje i SAT score, tuku intership VO cote d'evoire na 14 godini... kratko i surovo kazano mozet da sonvet undegrad ivy league education makedoncive.... glupo e da se shirat polovicni informacii poso na nikogo nema da mu pomognat tuku samo im trosat vreme na lugjeto. |
Rage, vo nikoj sluchaj ova shto go kazuvash ne e nepotrebno, dosta raboti gi razjasnuvash,...znaesh vo posledno vreme stana trend decava da odat nadvor na studii a onie shto se pozafateni odat obavezno vo USA, i ovde vo Mkd ima dosta prepukuvanja okolu toa,...hm, ustvari toa bile posebni "postgraduate study" samo za stranci....sega stanuva se jasno.....
Ahhh...neznam zs uporno meshas raboti. Shto se oednusva do SOROS, Ron Brown Fellowships, ili Fullbright, sosema e normalno deka aplikacijata e razlicna zs se raboti za stranski studenti i ima posebni kriteriumi, i toa od Immigracionen aspekt. Koga istat osoba ke go dobie toj Fellowship, se dava moznost da izberesh na koja obast sakas da studiras, da branis tema, ili da pravish Research. Znaci da naucish nesho i da pronajdes nesho novo, koe mozes posle da go apliciarss dali na rabota ovedka ili vo MKD. Sto se odnesuva za tie studenti koi moraat da se vratat nazad vo MKD toa e samo i samo poradi toa sto odreden broj od tie studenti imaat skluceno dogovr so nashata vlada da posle studii idat nazad , rabotat vo nekoi nasi institucii vo MKD i da doprinesat i vovedat nesho novo vo nasiot sistem. Tie studenti se dojdeni na J1 Viza, koja ima nekolku podtocki Postoi J1 za schoolars i acadmski osobi, naucnici itd itd, postoi i J1 za "trainnies", posti i J1 za research kako na primer za tie studenit sto vrshat nekoi ispituvanje po medicina na nkoi od Univerzitetie vo USA. Licno moja bratucetka e doktor na UCLA i niz ova zaedno minevme i dosta dobro znam kako ide. I nivo na Sv. KiM i Harvard nema sporedba, od aspekt na stabilen shkolski sistem, organziranost, strucnost, praksa, metodi...itd itd. Kvalitet na studenti ke ima i kaj nas, i na Harvard, i na Boconi vo Italija, i na Sorbona...Ne e vo prasanje intelegencijata i sposobnosta na izvesen borj na studenti. Da ne zabeguvam do temava.
p.s neznam dali se razbirame ali vo red e se dodeka imame idei, i informacii i nacin kako da se pomgone da studentive ke pisuvame:)
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| Originally posted by Sasha .....zs pisuvam od rabota pa moram da pazam i drugi raboti. |
znachi taka, pishuvash ovde a na rabota si
...ete, kaj nas vo Mkd ova ne mozhe da se sluchi nikako...
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Originally posted by Sirius
znachi taka, pishuvash ovde a na rabota si ...ete, kaj nas vo Mkd ova ne mozhe da se sluchi nikako... |
I am multitasking:)
p.s Ne ich kaj nas i da si Advokat, Doktor, Bankar ili Medicinska Sestra mozes da si iskocis koga sakas da si brkas nekoja rabota ili da sedis vo Rim-Paris so saati i da terash biznis:)
Campus e celinata, ne delcinjata.
vtoro, ako si ja platish prvata godina rece?? nogu pametno:) ..kolku e UC Berkeley momentalno za out of state residents? 25000 godina samo tuition ili nesco greshka sum? e ke si ja platit od Trifun sin mu
:) ...stipendii za stranci imat limitirani posebno na fakulteti ko UC Berkeley koj nemat private endowement ko Princeton tuku e finansiran od drzavata.... drzavni pari za stipendii na stranci ne idet bre, osven ako ne e nekoj brainiac spremen za vo Nasa ili nesco slicno ko nea:))).... privatni imat da, minimalni, kompeticijata za niv e neverojatna.... imat loans da, ama cel zivot ke gi izplakas....a mozda i pojke:)
UCLA imat studenski kadar koj e generalno celo nivo ponizok od berkeley po kvalitet!!!!!! Fakt!!! rangot se vodit po broj na aplikanti, po SAT scores, po broj na nagradi, i po broj na aplikacii i primeni. UCLA ne e ni blisku do UCBerkeley!!! Sto neznacit deka e loso skolo, no e daleku od Berkeley po tezina... a najdobro skolo vo CA e Stanford. Mozda i tamu nekoj ke se zainteresirat makedonec.
Daj ne zaebavajte be.... za makedonec edinstvena opcija e mozda princeton i harvard, koj se need blind ucilista, i koj ne gledet samo academic record, ako te primet, i posle pokazish deka tvojata familija prajt ispod 40,000 dolari godisno sho bi bilo slucaj za 99 posto od makedoncite, togash ti pokrivet SVE. ... i toa e edinstven blind shot za nasive...
pod najpoznat se podrazbirat univerzitet so najrenomirana akademska programa, najrenomirani profesori, najrenomirani diplomci i sledstveno najuspesen alumni - najgolem broj na marshall, ron brown and f**ken neznam koj scholars.... so najgolem procent na diplomci koi prodolzvet na post graduate studies na najrenomiranite skoli niz svetot.... najgolem proizvoditel na nobelovci, najgolem proizvoditel na lugje koj go svrtele svetot naopacki, najgolem inovator dokolku iam research department... to znaci najpoznat. ...i aj sea ti klaj gi na skala UCLA i Berkeley pa dodaj MIT i Yale pa udri edno NZS na kraj:))
vakvi muabeti se bezveza, zs nekoj google da mavnit i da mu stanit jasno.... sansite na nasinci da odat na IVy Leagues se minimalni, t.e. mozda ke se najdat 2-3 so ke uspeet, i koja e korista od to?
i.... najinteresen ti e naslovot - toa kazvit kolku ja baratash temava za koja uzasno se trudis da ispadnis NAJPAMETNA!! Ivy Leagues in the United States - a kade na drugo mesto sashke mila imat Ivy Leagues za da ovie(t.e.topikov) bi bile in the US?
jas mislam deka nemat smisla pojke na ojme vo ovaja nasoka so ubedvenje...evo kazvam i priznava deka si popametna i poiskusna,normalno godinite si go praet svoeto
pak ke recam po neznam koj pat ...
celta bese da se daet PRAVI informacii za ovie shkoli i prava slika...
se nadevam deka bev od nekakva pomosh!
i molba...ne replicirajte na mojov post za da ne zabegame ushe pojke bezpotreba
Za tvojov post ke napisam pokasno zs sum na rabota, i bogami ima dosta za pisuvanje.I te molzam vozdrzuvaj se od toj tvoj zargon. Sepak e ova tema poedukativna..nema potreba od bezobrazni zborovi, pogledni si gi pogore..
Blagodaram.
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| Originally posted by Sasha Rage, Za tvojov post ke napisam pokasno zs sum na rabota, i bogami ima dosta za pisuvanje.I te molzam vozdrzuvaj se od toj tvoj zargon. Sepak e ova tema poedukativna..nema potreba od bezobrazni zborovi, pogledni si gi pogore.. Blagodaram. |
jok !!kazav so imam da kazam i na kraj ZAMOLIV da ne se replicirat na mojot post za da ne imame bezvezni muabeti i koristenje na glupi zboroj(to sigurno go skokna go mi gi barase greshkite i bezobraznite zboroj)
so znacit ne repliciraj na mojov post
ako sakas moja pocit ke mi dajs i ti mene tvoja ...fer sekohas!!ako nekoj sakat dopolnitelna informacija za bilo sho povrzano so ova slobodno ili email ili PP
btw.od drugi izvori ( ne go spomenuva za da ne ispadne deka go rekalmiram) dobiv solidni info za studiite vo Canada.
Me interesira dokolku ima nekoj na forumov koj ima poveke info za studiite za mechatronics vo USA, dali credit-transver systemot koj sega se upotrebuva kaj nas na KiM se priznava i vo USA...se preferira atlanska obala
Univerzitetot vo Skopje e na 2120 mesto.
http://www.webometrics.info/top100_europe.asp-country=mk.htm
Za sporedba univerzitetot vo Ljubljana e na 285 mesto.
Belgradskiot e na 549 mesto.
Sofiskiot e na 1244 mesto.
Zagrebskiot e na 1968 mesto.
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| Originally posted by ZooGraf Spored ovoj site, http://www.webometrics.info/top500_europe.asp.htm, Univerzitetot vo Skopje e na 2120 mesto. http://www.webometrics.info/top100_europe.asp-country=mk.htm Za sporedba univerzitetot vo Ljubljana e na 285 mesto. Belgradskiot e na 549 mesto. Sofiskiot e na 1244 mesto. Zagrebskiot e na 1968 mesto. |
Shto mislish, zashto e toa taka?
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| I have a Bachelour Degree in Business Administration and currently I am a Graduate student finishing up my Masters in Global Economics and Diplomacy in a private school. At the same time I am attending University of California at Los Angeles...taking Law classes. Even though UCLA is not an Ivy League School, but is an excellent one and I strognly recomend it. |
However what puzzles me is why you are not incorporating your Law Studies with your Economics. That would seem so much easier. But what is really interesting (according to your statement) is why you are not attending to your Legals in a post-graduate capacity. Oh by the way, I have a Bachelor of Law, graduating with Honours (Honors spelt in the USA) with a Master of Criminology unfortunately i am no longer an officer of the Supreme Court due to the fact that i have chosen to persue a more lucrative and 'fruitful' vocation.
Actually i really didnt realise up until i read your post that in the USA they have a "Bachelour" Degree in Economics, i thought it was Bachelor, but then again it could always be one of those silly language mix ups.
Good Luck with your endeavours or as you would spell it in the USA "endeavor".
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| Originally posted by Sasha I have a Bachelour Degree in Business Administration and currently I am a Graduate student finishing up my Masters in Global Economics and Diplomacy in a private school. At the same time I am attending University of California at Los Angeles...taking Law classes. Even though UCLA is not an Ivy League School, but is an excellent one and I strognly recomend it. |
Za da ima nekoj Bachelour Degree treba da znae angliski da pisuva barem najprostite zborovi tocni, barem kvalifikacijata sto ja ima zavrseno neka si ja napise pravilno ako nisto drugo barem...
zlotty, a Hitler shto rekol?! | quote: |
| Originally posted by VeGaSzlotty, a Hitler shto rekol?! |
Me nasmea Mario. Da ne zabeguvame od temive ama.| quote: | ||
Originally posted by BorisVM
Me nasmea Mario. Da ne zabeguvame od temive ama. |
Boris? have you been kidnapped by aliens? Or have you been taking dialect classes.
The above post is so NOT YOU. Maybe i have been away for too long
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| Originally posted by VeGaSzlotty, a Hitler shto rekol?! |
e koga prasuvas aj da ti kazam : )
Hitler said: Achtunuuuung Mario, where is your daughter , i have to talk with her !!!!!!!
p.s: Sasa , pogore postot bese samo da vidam zenska reakcija :) , ne bese nisto posebno celta, inaku recommended se pisuva so dve MM : )
Me nasmea
Toa e od brzo kucanje.Kako brzi konzales sum.Moras da me svatish...eve ti scenario. Na raobta sedam, na ednata tel linija ljubovta, na drugata tel linija majka mi bosh muabeti mi tera, vo isto vreme kucam, i gledam sto se slucuva na rabota.Na maki sum srcp.s da se drzime na temava
eh bre lujge i ovde ke me terate da se pokazam ko
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| Originally posted by Sasha zlotty, Me nasmea Toa e od brzo kucanje.Kako brzi konzales sum.Moras da me svatish...eve ti scenario. Na raobta sedam, na ednata tel linija ljubovta, na drugata tel linija majka mi bosh muabeti mi tera, vo isto vreme kucam, i gledam sto se slucuva na rabota.Na maki sum srcp.s da se drzime na temava |
da ti bev boss dosega ke bese otpustena : ) , ma nemoj takvi raboti na rabotno mesto pls, zatoa ekonomijata se namaluva u globala, a stocarstvoto se razviva vo pogolem podem : )edit: i gradinarskite kulturi zaboraviv da gi vmetnam pogore
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Originally posted by Sasha
Shto mislish, zashto e toa taka? |
Jas licno ne gledam mnogu vo tie rangiranja. Ne sum zavrsil vo Skopje, pa spored toa nemam pricina da go branam, no ke kazam edna rabota, a toa e deka materjalite za ucenje se nasekade isti (osven za pravo, se razbira).
Ova znaci deka trudoljiv student na Sk. univerzitet moze da ima isto znaenje kako da bil vo Ivy League skola. I pokraj korupcijata i pokraj prenatrupanosta vo Skopje, moze da se izleze so golemo znaenje.
Megjutoa kolicinata na znaenje ne e dovolno samo po sebe, tuku i nacina na razmisluvanje. Vo celiot Amerikanski sistem na edukacija, a posebno vo univerzitetite, se forsira edna otvorenost, kriticnost i lesnotija da se postavuvaat prasanja. Kaj nas ova e totalno supresirano. Naprimer, kaj nas prasanja se postavuva ili kako rezultat na cinizam, ili kako obid da se potencira sopstvenata superiornost (demek, jas go znam ova ama sakam site toa da go vidat). Kako rezultat iako se ima dobro znaenje, lugjeto ponatamu imaat slaba inicijativa.