Aleksander Makedonski sliki i textovi
Aleksander Makedonski sliki i textovi
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Cyber-Man Site neka isprata e-mail na Iron Maiden i neka pobaraat oficijalno izvinuvanje i prepravanje na taa strofa.
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SOLUN THE CAPITAL OF MAKEDONIJA
ozonce
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Originally posted by BMF
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Originally posted by Cyber-Man
Site neka isprata e-mail na Iron Maiden i neka pobaraat oficijalno izvinuvanje i prepravanje na taa strofa.
toa i go imam napraveno no kako odgovor dobiv deka ne si ja znam istorijata na svojata zemja. I deka toa ne e tocno deka aleksandar makedonski bil Makedonec tuku deka e GRK . i deka pred da ja napisat pesnata se posluzile so literatura ama cija leteratura poima nemam [:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!]
Hmmm koga go iamsh dobieno odgovorot, i od koj? Mislam deka e laga. Deka ne si dobil poraka od maiden.
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yURI Pesnata od Iron Maiden navistina gi potkreva custvata :) "Alexander the Great His name struck fear into hearts of men Alexander the Great " P.S. Malku cudno no sepak prijatno iznenaduvanje od mafishkuma ( mislev na bendot + taa )
ozonce
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Originally posted by mafisKumA
Alexander The Great Iron Maiden Somewhere in Time (1986) 'My son ask for thyself another Kingdom for that wich I leave is too small for thee' (King Philip of Macedonia - 339 B.C.) Near to the east In a part of ancient Greece In an ancient land called Macedonia Was born a son To Philip of Macedon The legend his name was Alexander At the age of nineteen He became the Macedon king And he swore to free all of Asia Minor By the Aegian sea In 334 B.C. He utterly beat the armies of Persia Alexander the Great His name struck fear into hearts of men Alexander the Great Became a legend 'mongst mortal men King Darius the third Defeated fled Persia The Scythians fell by the river of Jaxartes Then Egypt fell to the Macedon king as well And he founded the city called Alexandria By the Tigris river He met king Darius again And crushed him again at the battle of Arbela Entering Babylon And Susa treasures he found Took Persepolis the capital of Persia Alexander the Great His name struck fear into hearts of men Alexander the Great Became a god 'mongst mortal men A Phrygian king had bound a chariot yoke And Alexander cut the 'Gordian knot' And the legend said that who untied the knot He would become the master of Asia Helonism he spread far and wide The macedonian learned mind Their culture was a western way of life He paved the way for Christianity Marching on marching on The battle weary marching side by side Alexander's army line by line They wouldn't follow him to India Tired of the combat, pain and the glory Alexander the Great His name struck fear into hearts of men Alexander the Great
E sega ushte da dadite od kaj da ja simnam na mp3 i ke bide super... Starite dobri metalci izumrea, ili toa sho go imat e na kaseta... na CD bog da chuva da se najde... pa HEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP!!!
dimkoska Jas ne sum ekspert po istorija, no imam procitano za nekoi greski sto objektivnite istoricari gi nasle vo knigite so grcka propaganda. Kako prvo se napomnuva deka Aleksandar bil prijatel na grcite. Druga recenica e deka: Aleksandar imal Makedonska i Grcka vojska i duri se napomenuva deka so makedonskite vojnici ne zboruval grcki. Aleksandar bil golem ljubitel na grckata literatura i kultura i gi pottiknuval makedoncite da ja prifakaat grckata kultura. Ova seto, vo tie knigi samo potvrduva deka Grcite se vo golema zabluda (ili se pravat deka se) koga ja poistovetuvaat Makedonija i Makedoncite so Elenskata kultura. Inaku, Aleksandar, vo Persiskite knigi ne e heroj, tuku bas sprotivno. Tie go opisuvaat kako nekoj koj ja srusil preubavata Persiska arhitektura.
Cyber-Man Epa togas da go hakirame nivniot sajt a?:)
Thunder from down under
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Originally posted by Cyber-Man
Epa togas da go hakirame nivniot sajt a?:)
Najpametno
BMF ehhh yURI da ne ja izbrisese od disc sega ke ja slusav ama jebiga.... aj ke se potrudam da ja najdam i ke za zakacam kaj mene na WEB pa ke si ja smetnis pa ke te izvestam koga ke ja ima
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slasa [img]http://www.makedonija.info/alexander_statue.jpg[/img] Aleksander Makedonski staia vo Solun
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slasa [img]http://www.imor.org.mk/programmes/bv/Images/alex_12.jpg[/img] The great Battle of Issus 333 B.C Alexsander to left on Bukefalos and Darius lll on the right on his Chariot.
mafisKumA Alexander The Great Iron Maiden Somewhere in Time (1986) 'My son ask for thyself another Kingdom for that wich I leave is too small for thee' (King Philip of Macedonia - 339 B.C.) Near to the east In a part of ancient Greece In an ancient land called Macedonia Was born a son To Philip of Macedon The legend his name was Alexander At the age of nineteen He became the Macedon king And he swore to free all of Asia Minor By the Aegian sea In 334 B.C. He utterly beat the armies of Persia Alexander the Great His name struck fear into hearts of men Alexander the Great Became a legend 'mongst mortal men King Darius the third Defeated fled Persia The Scythians fell by the river of Jaxartes Then Egypt fell to the Macedon king as well And he founded the city called Alexandria By the Tigris river He met king Darius again And crushed him again at the battle of Arbela Entering Babylon And Susa treasures he found Took Persepolis the capital of Persia Alexander the Great His name struck fear into hearts of men Alexander the Great Became a god 'mongst mortal men A Phrygian king had bound a chariot yoke And Alexander cut the 'Gordian knot' And the legend said that who untied the knot He would become the master of Asia Helonism he spread far and wide The macedonian learned mind Their culture was a western way of life He paved the way for Christianity Marching on marching on The battle weary marching side by side Alexander's army line by line They wouldn't follow him to India Tired of the combat, pain and the glory Alexander the Great His name struck fear into hearts of men Alexander the Great
kickol "All-consuming ambition, a visionary of his time. Proud soldier and Macedonian. Inventor of the famous 'phalanx' military formation, great governor and strategist. A man under who's heel succumbed the foreign Hellenic states, in all of their glory." Philip II of Macedonia (382-336 BC), king of Macedonia (359-336 BC), was born in Pella, the capital of ancient Macedonia. Long before Philip was born, the ancient Macedonians regarded the ancient Greeks as potentially dangerous neighbors, not as kinsmen. The Greeks stereotyped the Macedonians as "barbarians" and treated them in the same bigoted manner in which they treated all non-Greeks. Herodotus, the Father of History, relates how the Macedonian king Alexander I (498-454 BC), a Philhellene (that is "a friend of the Greeks" and logically a non-Greek), wanted to take a part in the Olympic games. The Greek athletes protested, saying they would not run with a barbarian. Historian Thucydidis also considered the Macedonians as barbarians. Philip II, the Macedonian "barbarian" was a hostage in Thebes, from 367 to 365, then the greatest power in Greece. During that period he observed the military techniques of Thebes, which will help him later reorganize the Macedonian army on the model of the Theban phalanx. In 364 Philip returned to Macedonia and in 359 he was made regent for his infant nephew Amyntas. Later that year he seized the Macedonian throne. Philip came to power at the time when the Macedonians had just suffered a defeat from the Illyrians. Macedonia was in political and military turmoil, and Philip immediately set about bringing the people of Macedonia under his control. In less than two years he will secure the safety of his kingdom and firmly establish himself on the throne. After defeating the Illyrians in 358 BC, Philip sought to bring all of Upper Macedonia under his control and make them loyal to him. Apart from military, Philip had several political inventions that helped turn Macedonia into a world power. His primary method of creating alliances and strengthening loyalties was through marriage. In 357 BC he married Olympias, from the royal house of Molossia, and a year later they had a son, Alexander. But Alexander never got along well with his father, although Philip was proud of Alexander for the Bucephalus incident. Alexander had always been closer to Olympias than to Philip. Philip and Olympias also did not get along all that well. The family essentially was split apart irreparably when Philip married a woman named Cleopatra, a Macedonian. At the wedding banquet, Cleopatra's father made a remark about Philip fathering a "legitimate" heir, i.e., one that was pure Macedonian. Alexander took exception and threw his cup at the man, and some sources say Alexander killed him. Enraged, Philip stood up and charged at Alexander, only to trip and fall on his face in his drunken stupor. Alexander, rather upset at the scene, is to have shouted: "Here is the man who was making ready to cross from Europe to Asia, and who cannot even cross from one table to another without losing his balance." When Philip divorced Olympias Alexander fled. Although allowed to return, he remained isolated and insecure until Philip was assassinated (some think that Olympias may have even had a role in Philip's murder), in the summer of 336 BC. Philip allowed the sons of nobles to receive education in the court of the king. Here the sons would not only develop a fierce loyalty for the king, but it was also a way for Philip to, in a sense, hold the children hostage to keep their parents from interfering with his authority. He also gave more people positions of power and more of a sense of belonging to the kingdom. From then on, Philip's policy was aggressive. In 357 he conquered the Athenian colony of Amphipolis in Thrace. That gave him a possession of the gold mines of Mount Pangaeus, which will finance his wars. In 356 he captured Potidea in Chalcidice, Pydna on the Thermaic Gulf, and in 355 the Thracian town of Crenides, later acquiring new name Philippi. In 354 Philip conquered Methone, advanced into Thessaly but did not attempt to take the pass of Thermopylae in 352 because it was strongly guarded by the Athenians. In 351 the great Athenian orator Demosthenes delivered the first of his Philippics, a series of speeches warning the Athenians about the Macedonian menace to Greek liberty. The great Athenian statesman, spoke of Philip II: "... not only no Greek, nor related to the Greeks, but not even a barbarian from any place that can be named with honors, but a pestilent knave from Macedonia, whence it was never yet possible to buy a decent slave." The Macedonian "barbarian" defeated Greece at the battle of Chaeronea in August 338 BC and appointed himself "Commander of the Greeks". Philip's army was greatly outnumbered by the Athenian and Theban forces, yet his phalanxes overwhelmed the Athenians and Thebans. His victory made him complete master of Greece. This battle had established Macedonian hegemony over Greece and this date is commonly taken as the end of Greek history and the beginning of the Macedonian era. Two years later, in the spring of 336 BC, Philip start preparing for his big invasion of Persia. He sent Attalus and Parmenion with 10,000 troops over into Asia Minor but just before he was to travel to Asia to begin the conquest, he was assassinated. His vision to conquer the Middle East, will be carried away by his son Alexander the Great. However, without the military and political efforts of Philip, Alexander would have never been as successful as he was. According to Bosworth, Philip's work with the Macedonian army and establishment of alliances with the Balkan peoples gave both himself and Alexander the resources necessary to carry out such conquests. Philip introduced the 6 meter long sarissa, a wooden pike with metal tip, for use by his infantry in the phalanx. The sarissa, when held upright by the rear rows of the phalanx (there were usually eight rows), helped hide maneuvers behind the phalanx from the view of the enemy. When held horizontal by the front rows of the phalanx, it was a rather brutal weapon. People could be run through from 20 feet away, giving quite an advantage to the phalanx in hand-to-hand combat. Philip made the military a way of life for many Macedonian men. He made the military a professional occupation that paid well enough that the soldiers could afford to do it year-round, unlike in the past when the soldiering had only been a part-time job, something the men would do during the off peak times of farming. This allowed him to count on his man regularly, building unity and cohesion within the army. In addition to the basic phalanx, Philip and Alexander used light auxiliaries, archers, a siege train, and a cavalry.
kickol izvinite na dolgite postovi ... ali sepak se mnogu dobri za citanje ...
kickol aj ponataka odime..... "Touched by the hand of God, youth immortalized, wearing his golden crown of glory. A symbol of strength and power for his Macedonian comrades-in-war. His military genius too great to be wasted on Europe, he looked east, to conquer Persia, the greatest kingdom of all. More than a conqueror, an intellectual with a team of all the finest minds in the world. Visualizing a universal empire for all, he left the legacy of the greatest empire the world has ever seen."
OooOo [img]http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/j/Alexander%20The%20Great.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.army.gr/html/EN_Army/publish/strep/ALEXANDER/images/first_page_strep.JPG[/img] [img]http://www.silverqueen.com/JewelryCoins/treasure%20coins/alexander%20the%20great.JPG[/img] The Triumph Of Alexander The Great [img]http://www.artrenewal.org/images/artists/M/Moreau_Gustave/large/the_triumph_of_alexander_the_great.jpg[/img]
OooOo eve eden kup sliki od nego .. me mrzi da gi stavam site ... http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=alexander+the+great&sa=N&tab=wi
HaCkEr` lol vo pravo si Dejan i mene me iznenadi.. Kuma i Iron:))) Pozdrav Long Live Macedonia
ozonce Veke ja simnav (me koshtashe 100 denari taa pesna) koj ja saka e-mail me
BMF
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Veke ja simnav (me koshtashe 100 denari taa pesna) koj ja saka e-mail me
e pa OK togas.... ne te fatilo skapo :)))+++++++++++
Cyber-Man
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Near to the east In a part of ancient Greece In an ancient land called Macedonia Was born a son To Philip of Macedon The legend his name was Alexander
Ovaa strofa mi lici na grcka propaganda. Znaci Makedonija bila del od Grcija spored niv. Ova mora detalno da se istrazi.
slasa Makedonija nikogas ne bila del od Halas . nego tie helaski plemina Aleksander gi imaa okupirano .
DJ_SHEMA Kico Od kade e zemen ovoj tekst?
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Originally posted by kickol
"All-consuming ambition, a visionary of his time. Proud soldier and Macedonian. Inventor of the famous 'phalanx' military formation, great governor and strategist. A man under who's heel succumbed the foreign Hellenic states, in all of their glory." Philip II of Macedonia (382-336 BC), king of Macedonia (359-336 BC), was born in Pella, the capital of ancient Macedonia. Long before Philip was born, the ancient Macedonians regarded the ancient Greeks as potentially dangerous neighbors, not as kinsmen. The Greeks stereotyped the Macedonians as "barbarians" and treated them in the same bigoted manner in which they treated all non-Greeks. Herodotus, the Father of History, relates how the Macedonian king Alexander I (498-454 BC), a Philhellene (that is "a friend of the Greeks" and logically a non-Greek), wanted to take a part in the Olympic games. The Greek athletes protested, saying they would not run with a barbarian. Historian Thucydidis also considered the Macedonians as barbarians. Philip II, the Macedonian "barbarian" was a hostage in Thebes, from 367 to 365, then the greatest power in Greece. During that period he observed the military techniques of Thebes, which will help him later reorganize the Macedonian army on the model of the Theban phalanx. In 364 Philip returned to Macedonia and in 359 he was made regent for his infant nephew Amyntas. Later that year he seized the Macedonian throne. Philip came to power at the time when the Macedonians had just suffered a defeat from the Illyrians. Macedonia was in political and military turmoil, and Philip immediately set about bringing the people of Macedonia under his control. In less than two years he will secure the safety of his kingdom and firmly establish himself on the throne. After defeating the Illyrians in 358 BC, Philip sought to bring all of Upper Macedonia under his control and make them loyal to him. Apart from military, Philip had several political inventions that helped turn Macedonia into a world power. His primary method of creating alliances and strengthening loyalties was through marriage. In 357 BC he married Olympias, from the royal house of Molossia, and a year later they had a son, Alexander. But Alexander never got along well with his father, although Philip was proud of Alexander for the Bucephalus incident. Alexander had always been closer to Olympias than to Philip. Philip and Olympias also did not get along all that well. The family essentially was split apart irreparably when Philip married a woman named Cleopatra, a Macedonian. At the wedding banquet, Cleopatra's father made a remark about Philip fathering a "legitimate" heir, i.e., one that was pure Macedonian. Alexander took exception and threw his cup at the man, and some sources say Alexander killed him. Enraged, Philip stood up and charged at Alexander, only to trip and fall on his face in his drunken stupor. Alexander, rather upset at the scene, is to have shouted: "Here is the man who was making ready to cross from Europe to Asia, and who cannot even cross from one table to another without losing his balance." When Philip divorced Olympias Alexander fled. Although allowed to return, he remained isolated and insecure until Philip was assassinated (some think that Olympias may have even had a role in Philip's murder), in the summer of 336 BC. Philip allowed the sons of nobles to receive education in the court of the king. Here the sons would not only develop a fierce loyalty for the king, but it was also a way for Philip to, in a sense, hold the children hostage to keep their parents from interfering with his authority. He also gave more people positions of power and more of a sense of belonging to the kingdom. From then on, Philip's policy was aggressive. In 357 he conquered the Athenian colony of Amphipolis in Thrace. That gave him a possession of the gold mines of Mount Pangaeus, which will finance his wars. In 356 he captured Potidea in Chalcidice, Pydna on the Thermaic Gulf, and in 355 the Thracian town of Crenides, later acquiring new name Philippi. In 354 Philip conquered Methone, advanced into Thessaly but did not attempt to take the pass of Thermopylae in 352 because it was strongly guarded by the Athenians. In 351 the great Athenian orator Demosthenes delivered the first of his Philippics, a series of speeches warning the Athenians about the Macedonian menace to Greek liberty. The great Athenian statesman, spoke of Philip II: "... not only no Greek, nor related to the Greeks, but not even a barbarian from any place that can be named with honors, but a pestilent knave from Macedonia, whence it was never yet possible to buy a decent slave." The Macedonian "barbarian" defeated Greece at the battle of Chaeronea in August 338 BC and appointed himself "Commander of the Greeks". Philip's army was greatly outnumbered by the Athenian and Theban forces, yet his phalanxes overwhelmed the Athenians and Thebans. His victory made him complete master of Greece. This battle had established Macedonian hegemony over Greece and this date is commonly taken as the end of Greek history and the beginning of the Macedonian era. Two years later, in the spring of 336 BC, Philip start preparing for his big invasion of Persia. He sent Attalus and Parmenion with 10,000 troops over into Asia Minor but just before he was to travel to Asia to begin the conquest, he was assassinated. His vision to conquer the Middle East, will be carried away by his son Alexander the Great. However, without the military and political efforts of Philip, Alexander would have never been as successful as he was. According to Bosworth, Philip's work with the Macedonian army and establishment of alliances with the Balkan peoples gave both himself and Alexander the resources necessary to carry out such conquests. Philip introduced the 6 meter long sarissa, a wooden pike with metal tip, for use by his infantry in the phalanx. The sarissa, when held upright by the rear rows of the phalanx (there were usually eight rows), helped hide maneuvers behind the phalanx from the view of the enemy. When held horizontal by the front rows of the phalanx, it was a rather brutal weapon. People could be run through from 20 feet away, giving quite an advantage to the phalanx in hand-to-hand combat. Philip made the military a way of life for many Macedonian men. He made the military a professional occupation that paid well enough that the soldiers could afford to do it year-round, unlike in the past when the soldiering had only been a part-time job, something the men would do during the off peak times of farming. This allowed him to count on his man regularly, building unity and cohesion within the army. In addition to the basic phalanx, Philip and Alexander used light auxiliaries, archers, a siege train, and a cavalry.
slasa
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Originally posted by ozonce
Veke ja simnav (me koshtashe 100 denari taa pesna) koj ja saka e-mail me
evo vaka pomiluvanje bvozje da ne se karame bozicni praznici se . evo ti mail pa pratija [email protected] normalno ako sakas
ozonce
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Originally posted by slasa
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Originally posted by ozonce
Veke ja simnav (me koshtashe 100 denari taa pesna) koj ja saka e-mail me
evo vaka pomiluvanje bvozje da ne se karame bozicni praznici se . evo ti mail pa pratija [email protected] normalno ako sakas
:) za mnogu godini raznicite slasa, a za pesnata 9MB e na drug nachin moze da ja dobiesh
ozonce In a part of ancient Greece In an ancient land called Macedonia Aj bre luge dajte prevod/i na ovie dve rechenici...
Thunder from down under Vo del na antickata grcija Vo antickata zemja narecena Makedonija
Thunder from down under saka da kazi deka Makedonija bila del od grcija kako Makedonija so bese del od jugoslavija Gluposti ozonce
ozonce Toa ne mi se dopaga!!!
ozonce I ushte neshto me zagrizuva Helonism he spread far and wide The macedonian learned mind Their culture was a western way of life He paved the way for Christianity Prvata rechenica... kolku go poznavam angliskiot veli deka go shirel helenizmot... edna molba dos ite korisnici na forumot... Pred da postavite nekoj tekst pls prochitajte go dobro i prostudirajte go. Mislma deka pesnata Alexander the Great od iron maiden ne i e mestoto tuka. Edna sluchka na koncert na maiden vo budimpeshta. Na peenjeto na pesnata Alexander the Great ispadnal nekoj tip od juzna Makedonija.. mislam od nekoe gevgelichko selo i na Bruce (mislam deka se vikashe pejachot) mu go dal makedonskoto zname, ona prvoto. Posle koncertoto go prashale dali znae chie bilo znameto koe go veel za vreme na pesnata. Zamislete rekol da na Makedonija.
Thunder from down under Helenizmot go prosiri daleku i shiroko Makedonskiot naucen(naviknat)? mozok Nivnata kultura bese zapaden stil na ziveenje go napravi patot za hristijanstvoto abe nikade nema deka Alexandar bese nash covek vo enciklopedii so imam citano spomnuva deka bil makedonec ama posle gi buni lugeto deka bil ama ne bil bil grk so ti znam jas najnovata grcka propaganda e momentalno neznam kolku milioni dolari go imet plateno eden istrazuvac od anglija site patni troskovu mu gi imet platerno grcite i plus pari za nego demek covekot imal renome dek ae eden od najdobrite istoricari a ustvari raboti za grcite tie go platile ,momentalno taka nareceniov istoricar momentalno e vo avganistan i bara podatoci nekojsi za alexandar kako ziveel sho prael a vo reportot ke mor ada objavi tocno taka kako so im odgovar ana grcite posto tie davet milioni dolari naravno ...........ova ke ima impakt na nas mozi za godini ne bash sega...
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slasa Why Macedonia and the Macedonians had Never been Greek? 1. The ancient Macedonians were a distinct nation, separate from their neighbors, the ancient Greeks, Illyrians, and Thracians. The ancient Greek and Roman historians tell us that the Macedonians spoke a separate Macedonian language and had their own customs, culture, and traditions. Archeological discoveries confirm that the material culture of the Macedonians also defer greatly from all their neighbors, and it is by far more superior in artistry (gold, paintings, weapons, mosaics) then anything found in contemporary Greece, Illyria, and Thrace. The texts of the ancient writers distinguish the Macedonians from the ancient Greeks, just like they distinguish the Romans and the Carthaginians. Yet, like the other non-Greeks, Carthaginians, Romans, Illyrians, and Thracians, the Macedonian high society also used the Greek language along with Macedonian. Greek was spoken by the nobility of many different ancient nations, just like French was spoken in the 19th century (at the German and Russian courts for example). Unfortunately there are only about 150 glosses that have survived of the ancient Macedonian language (most of them with no relation whatsoever with ancient Greek), and like ancient Carthaginian, Illyrian, and Thracian, it can not be reconstructed. There is no doubt nevertheless that the Illyrains, Thracians, and Macedonians were non-Greeks, or in the words of the ancient Greeks "barbarians" which literally means people who spoke other non-Greek languages. 2. Macedonia became a world power when the Macedonian king Philip II conquered Thrace, greater part of Illyria, and the whole of Greece (except Sparta). At the battle of Chaeronea in 338, the Macedonian army destroyed the united Greek army, and put an end to Greek freedom and ancient Greek history. To secure the Macedonian conquest, Macedonian garrisons were established in the Greek cities, just like they were established in Thrace and Illyria. 3. Alexander the Great (336-323 BC), Philip II's son took the Macedonian armies even further and conquered the Persian Empire, making Macedonia the largest and most powerful nation in the world for centuries to come. In his army next to the Macedonians, he utilized also troops from the Balkan nations that his father Philip II conquered - Greeks, Illyrians, and Thracians. The Greeks in the Macedonian army however were commanded by Macedonians, their contribution in the conquest was insignificant and miniscule, and modern historiography calls them nothing but Macedonian "hostages" who would ensure a good behavior of their friends and families back in Greece (Peter Green, Urlich Wilcken, Ernst Badian, Eugene Borza, A.B. Bosworth). Aware that the Greeks despised the Macedonians, Alexander left massive Macedonian occupation troops in their country before heading for the conquest of Persia, although he knew that he would need as many as possible Macedonians for the dangerous campaign ahead. He however rid himself of the Greeks in his army the first chance he got, after burning the Persian capital Persepolis, and learning that the last Greek state Sparta was defeated by the Macedonian troops he left to watch rebellious Greece. 4. Despite all, the Greeks never stopped fighting the Macedonians. While Alexander was conquering Persia with his 25-30,000 Macedonians, more then 50,000 Greeks actually fought on the side of the Persians against the Macedonians (Curtius). The Macedonians slaughtered 18,000 of them in the first battle and sent 2,000 to forced labor in Macedonia (Arrian). After Alexander died the Macedonian general Pithon massacred 23,000 more in a single battle when the Greeks revolted in Bactria (Diodorus). In Greece, when the news of Alexander the Great's death became known, the Greeks united once again and threw out the Macedonians out of their country in the Lamian War (Diodorus). But the Macedonian army returned with massive reinforcements, defeated the Greeks both on land and sea, and re-occupied Greece, putting a bloody end of the Lamian War (Diodorus). 5. The Greeks nevertheless continued raising rebellion after rebellion against the Macedonians to free Greece from the foreign occupation. All successors of Alexander the Great fought them, and the Macedonian king Antigonus II Gonatas fought three Greek uprising who unified against the "barbarous Macedonians" (Diodorus, Plutarch, Justin). Finally in 197 BC, the Macedonian king Philip V was defeated by the joint force of Romans and Greeks, and Macedonia lost Greece after almost 150 years of occupation. When the Romans proclaimed that Greece is free, such an enormous burst of enthusiasm exploded among the Greeks that the Roman general who made the announcement was almost killed by the mass of people that flocked to shake his hand and congratulate him for diving the Macedonians out (Livy, Polybius). 6. After the defeat of the Macedonian king Perseus in 168 BC, and the end of the Macedonian rebellion in 148 BC, Macedonia, Greece, and Carthage became part of the Roman Empire. In 395 AD with the split of the Roman Empire, Macedonia and Greece became part of the East Roman (or Byzantine) Empire. 7. Slavs invaded the whole of Balkans in the 6th century, including Macedonia and the whole of Greece, all the way down to the Peloponnesus. Byzantine historians clearly mentioned that the Macedonians did not disappear with the Slavic invasion but continued to exist. In the 10th century Salonica is described as the "largest city of the Macedonians" and to subdue the independent Slavic tribes in the Peloponnesus in Greece, the Byzantine emperors who were Macedonians, belonging to the Macedonian Dynasty, had to sent "Macedonians and Thracians" against them. Thus the Macedonians and Slavs have been living side by side ever since the 6th century. Over period of centuries these Slavic people mixed into the Macedonians in Macedonia, and with the Greeks in Greece, and laid the foundations for the modern Macedonian and Greek nations. Historical records continue to mention the Macedonians until the fall of the Byzantine Empire. It must be stressed that there is NO record of invasion of Greeks into Macedonia. 8. Turkey conquered the Balkans in the 14th century including Greece and Macedonia. With the help of the western powers, the Greeks freed themselves in the 1820's, but the Macedonians failed to gain freedom with their rebellions in 1870's and in 1903. 9. Independent European and Balkan statistics (except exaggerated Greek sources) from the late 19th and early 20th century show that the Greeks were a small minority of only 10%, living in the most southern parts of Macedonia, bordering Greece. 10. In 1913 Greece and her allies Serbia and Bulgaria, with the help of more then 100,000 Macedonians who fought along these three armies, drove the Turks out of Macedonia, but Macedonia did not gain its freedom. Instead, the Balkan countries partitioned Macedonia among themselves and Greece occupied the largest part, 51% of the whole territory, called Aegean Macedonia. 11. Even Greeks sources, including the king of Greece himself in 1912, confirm that when the Greek armies occupied Aegean Macedonia the overwhelming majority of the population were NOT Greeks, confirming the fact that the Greeks never lived in Macedonia since the most ancient times (Nikolaides, Spiros Melas Epopee). 12. But since 1913 Greece begun its assimilatory policies against the Macedonians, changing their family names to Greek names, renaming the cities, rivers, and mountains with Greek names, and forbidding the speaking of the Macedonian language. 13. In the mid 1920's Greeks from Asia Minor begun migrating into Aegean Macedonia for a first time ever, and soon the Macedonians found themselves among strangers in their native land, who most vigorously attacked everything that represents the Macedonian nationality and consciousness. In the 1930's the Macedonians were forced to drink castor oil for speaking Macedonian and had to pay financial penalty for every spoken word of Macedonian. 14. In 1991 the Republic of Macedonia, located north of Aegean Macedonia in Greece, became an independent country. The Republic of Macedonia was the part of Macedonia that Serbia occupied with the partition of 1913. In 1945 the Macedonians of the Republic drove away the fascist Albanian, Bulgarian, and German occupation forces and voted to join new federal Yugoslavia because it respected the Macedonian nationality. With the disintegration of Yugoslavia in the early 1990-1, the Macedonians voted independence in a referendum. 15. Afraid that now one part of Macedonia is independent, the Greeks launched a world-wide propaganda against the Macedonians claiming that "Macedonia has been Greek for 4000 years" (sometimes they say 3000 years, 2500, etc. It varies.). Ironically, despite the fact that the ancient Macedonians committed a real genocide against the ancient Greeks, the ancestors of today's Greeks, despite the fact the Macedonians in Greece are oppressed by them, and despite the fact that the Greeks moved in Aegean Macedonia as majority only 75 years ago. 16. While the Greeks only recently begun to launch the amazing claim that they are descendents of the ancient Macedonians (the people who murdered their own ancestors), it should be stressed that at least since the 18th century (DeTott) and including the 19th and 20th century, there are written records which show that the Macedonians claimed direct descendent from the ancient Macedonians in their struggle to free Macedonia from the Turks. That is centuries before Greece took Aegean Macedonia with its army and launched its propaganda. 17. Today, as we enter the 21st century, the Macedonians of Greece continue to be harassed and discriminated by the Greek government, 87 years since Greece took over Aegean Macedonia. The Macedonian language is still not recognized, the Macedonian nationality is still denied, and the Macedonians are still forced to have Greek family names, because having a Macedonian name Greece considers illegal. Human Rights Watch (Denying Ethnic Identity - Macedonians of Greece), Amnesty International, and the European Community have the Greek oppression of the Macedonians well documented, found Greece guilty, and demanded that it recognize the Macedonian language and nation and end its oppression. Despite of it, the Macedonians continue to exist in Greece as majority in the northern half of Aegean Macedonia and as minority in the southern half, and peacefully continue to demand their human rights. Will Greece ever became a democracy? 18. The Greeks and the Macedonians also greatly defer in physical appearance. The Greeks have typically darker tan then the Macedonians who are fair skinned. Historian Arthur Waigell have stated that the same difference in complexion existed between the ancient Greeks and Macedonians, and the ancient Greek historian Plutarch wrote that Alexander the Great had a fair complexion, criticizing a certain Greek sculptor who had given him a darker tan. The fact that both the Greeks and Macedonians have kept their ancient names is proof that both have been aware of, and preserved their lineage since most ancient times. And finally the latest scientific genetic research conducted by the University in Madrid, Spain concluded that the Macedonians are direct descendents of the ancient Macedonians, while the Greeks are unrelated to European origins and to the "older" Mediterranean substratum to which Macedonians belong to. By: Mikael Saveski
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Originally posted by Cyber-Man
Epa togas da go hakirame nivniot sajt a?:)
Jas ne mozam da vi pomognam. vetiv deka nema da go pravam toa, ako vi treba neshto pobarajte... imam se...
mikael
The Macedonians would rise, the macedonians would unit, the macedonians will take back everything wich have been stoolen. And a new Alexander will be born and rule the world
ozonce Dali zanete deka Aleksandar Makedonski za 8 godini pominal 18 000 mk so svojata vojska i vojuval. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEJ VELICHENSTVENO!!!
BMF
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Originally posted by Cyber-Man
Site neka isprata e-mail na Iron Maiden i neka pobaraat oficijalno izvinuvanje i prepravanje na taa strofa.
toa i go imam napraveno no kako odgovor dobiv deka ne si ja znam istorijata na svojata zemja. I deka toa ne e tocno deka aleksandar makedonski bil Makedonec tuku deka e GRK . i deka pred da ja napisat pesnata se posluzile so literatura ama cija leteratura poima nemam [:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!]
Filip VI Makedonski Prokletoto grcko lobi dejstvuva i vo pesni! Napisale "IN A PART OF ANCIENT GREECE".
deni iron maiden a ? :) eve zasho ja mrazam taa grupa