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| MountDeW` | Kako stoime so makedonski Crkvi vo USA navedete kaj se locirani(Grad) i koe e vaseto mislenje dali se toa makedonski pravoslavni crkvi vo pravata smisla na zborot MAKEDONSKA PRAVOSLAVNA CRKVA . Eve vi eden primer za makedonska (aku moze da se narece) Crkva. [img]http://www.geocities.com/gjokooh/bingo.jpg[/img] [url="http://www.geocities.com/gjokooh/bingo.jpg"]STS.KIRIL & METODIJ <-Click[/url] Hinsdale, IL vo blizina na Chicago |
| Legal-Eagle | quote:God grant me the patience to tolerate sheer ignorance. Unlike yourself OooOo there are people out there that give of their time with out seeking rewards![}:)] |
| Legal-Eagle | quote:God creates all types. Without imbeciles like you fio, life would not be so amusing[:D][:D][:D][:D] P.S sound "around" ... never heard of it pardon the pun! |
| fio | quote:pa deka si glupava ne sfakjash deka se zaebaam :) |
| Legal-Eagle | Read previous post fio .... God creates ALL types ... When god made man SHE was only joking[^] |
| OooOo | SHE has a beard ... buuuuuuuuuu that's scary! |
| fio | quote:tebe izgleda ne ti kazale deka filmot "Dogma" e komedija [:D] |
| BorisVM | quote:E BASH TAKA. Makedonskite crkvi se so klupi od strana, i dodeka ima sluzhba se STOI, ne se sednuva. Zoshto? Pa odgovorot na toa e jasen, za $$ za shto drugo. Idiotizmot na crkvata nikogash ne prestanuva da me iznenaduva. |
| OooOo | Ne e poentata samo shto sedat. Nego popot so zvonce koga kje zazvoni site stanuvaat, toa nikade go nema vo Makedonija, toa ne e nasha vera. Jas lichno i neodam mnogu vo crkva, od vreme na vreme idam svekja da zapalam, ali verovatno kje najdam nekoja srpska, ruska ili grchka pravoslavna crkva i tamu kje odam od sega ... |
| MountDeW` | abe ne znam so e na slikava ke probam da ja sredam :( jas ne znam so mu e ama jas ja gledam na net slikata ko ke napisham http://www.geocities.com/gjokooh/bingo.jpg |
| Thunder from down under | se gleda se gleda i BINGO EVERY THURSDAY FREE FOOD :))) SVETI KIRIL I METODIJA E CRKVATA |
| OooOo | Toa ne e Makedonska Pravoslavna Crkva, niti taa niti bilo koja makedonska crkva vo amerika. Site se katolichki so klupi za sedenje vo sred crkva, a ne kako pravoslavnite crkvi so klupi (stolici) od strana. Neznam kakvi se crkvite vo avstralija i kanada, ali veruvam deka se na isti princip. Koga ruskite i srpskite crkvi mozhat da bidat kako crkvite shto se vo srbija i rusija, zashto da nemozhe makedonskite da bidat takvi ? |
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| MountDeW` | OooOo to prashanjeto so klupite mu go postavif na popot od buffalo i toj vika deka takof bil zakonot vo USA , akoga jas mu kazaf kakvi se ruskite i srpskote crkvi mi odgovori deka ne bilo vostina a koga mu kazaf deka jas sum bil vo edna ruska crkva vo Garfield ,NJ i deka e prava pravoslavna crka ostana bez text popot so znaci kako ke ti svirat taka ke igras znaci im rekle deka e takof zakonot inace nema crkva. a ne znam dali znajs deka ima crkva vo Chicago,IL (ke ti dadam adresa aku sakas ) da vidis kako moze i makedonska pravoslavna crkva dae bez klupi. |
| DJ_SHEMA | Crkvata e hram vo koj treba da se voshiti neshto sveto. Vakvi materijalni okarektiziranja na crkvata totalno go narushuvaat principot spored koj treba da se odi vo crkva. Prochitajte ushte ednash shto ste napishale i razmislete kolku e seto toa vazno so religijata. VO crkva se odi dushevno da se ispolnite dodeka odavate pochit kon Gospod. Dali imalo klupi ili ne e totalno nevazno. |
| OooOo | Ako ti se osekjash kako pravoslavec nemashe da go napishesh ova shto go napisha. Ti razmisli malku okolu ova prashanje. |
| melpomena | MountDeW, vo Chicago Makedonskata crkva e isto taka so klupi! Da ne zboram za drugite "nedostatoci" vo crkvata vo Chicago, ednash bev i nemam nikakva zelba povekje da odam. Shema, kako be taka... Toa e isto kako vo dzamiite vo Makedonija da ima ikoni!!! Da ne bidam sfatena pogreshno, jas sum bila i vo dzamija i vo katolichka crkva i nemam nishto protiv niedna religija,(duri smetam deka sekoja religija e dostojna za pochit), no sepak mislam deka toa shto e "nashe" treba da go neguvame, a ne Makedonecot kako i sekogash da se prodava. Kako shto gledam i makedoncite na strana pochnaa da se venchavaat vo katolichki crkvi, a ajde nekoj neka mi posochi nekoj katolik koj se venchal vo pravoslavna crkva? Ili zoshto katolichkata crkva vo Skopje e kako i sekoja katolichka crkva vo svetot? Zborot mi beshe, nie sme slavjani i kako i sekoj narod vo svetot koj si ja neguva tradicijata i nie bi trebalo istoto da go pravime, a ako ne znaeme kako (zoshto i toa navistina se pokazalo niz vekovite), treba da se pouchime od drugite. A ako ti, koj si rastel vo Makedonija, i se nadevam si dovolno obrazuvan, smetash deka toa ne e bitno, shto bi mozele da ochekuvame od drugite??? |
| Thunder from down under | abe super ste vie vo amerika , i ovde isto e so stolici samo tamu so se crkvite narodni a ovde se privatni i to so raspopeni popoj, vladikata Petar go pratija da gi sredi rabotite fatija tie privatnicite i majka i se zivo da mu pcujat na dedo Petar , koga gi odnese vladikata Petar na sud na High court mislam deka bea, sudijata mu veli na vladikata Petar negladam nisto ilegalno se si e registrirano zakonski, i toa na eden ili dvajca poedinci , go plajka samo popot 500 dolari nedelata i se drugo za niv profit bez danok bez nisto |
| Whitebaby | Tochno deka vo poveketo slucaevi Makedonskite Crvki tuka vo USA se izmutirani. No mislite li deka samo so nashata crkva e takov sluchajot? Neznam za Srpskata Pravoslavna Crvka, ne sum imala mozhnost da ja posetam tuka vo USA, no zatoa imam lichno iskustvo so mutiranje na Ruskata Pravoslavna Crkva. Ovaa godina za Bozhik bev na bogosluzhva vo Ruska Pravoslavna Crkva. Na prv pogled tipichna pravoslavna crkva, ikonostas, ikoni, mesta za palenje sveki itn. Prv shok... niti klupi na sredina, niti klupi na strana, tuku brate stolici na rasklapanje, pa kaj sho ti e "milo" tamu rasklopi i sedni si. Vtor shok... skori site shto bea na bogosluzhbata imaa svoi "knigi" od kade shto peeja so sveshtenikot (tipichno za katolichka misa). Tret shok... Bozhiknata bogosluzhba se drzheshe na Angliski jazik. Chetvrt shok... si stojam jas celo vreme i ja sledam bogosluzhbata. Polse saat vreme gledam lugjevo stanuvaat od koj kade shto sedeja ili stoeja i se rasporeduvaat i si pravat mesto okolu sebe. Stojam i chekam da vidam shto pravat. Vo eden moment site kleknaa dodeka peeshe sveshtenikot i pochnaa da se klanjaat!!! Vo rok od 10 sekundi preminav od sostojba na shok vo sostojba na smeenje za da zavrsham so sostojba na neprijatnost, zatoa shto veruvajte dobiv vpechatok deka sum vo dzhamija!!! Na krajot site vo redica i kako po shema prvo ja baknuvash prvata ikona, pa rakata i krstot na sveshtenikot, pa vtorata ikona, dobivash chateno lebche, pa ja baknuvash tretata ikona i na krajot ostavash pari vo specijalen sad za taa namena!!! Dolgo vreme posle toa go vrakam filmot i probuvam da najdam dopirni tochki so pravoslavna bogosluzhba. Sum sledela bogosluzhbi i vo Makedonska i vo Grchka i vo Srpska Pravoslavna Crkva, no nikade ne sum videla na bogsluzhba masovno klanaje na vernicite. Pari se ostavaat na ikona no po svoja volja a ne zatoa shto drugite taka pravat ili pak zatoa shto takov e redot. Znachi mutacii na sekoja strana, a ne samo vo Makedonskata Pravoslavna Crkva. Koga doshol redot Ruskata Pravoslavna Crkva da se izmutira do ovoj stepen, mozham da zamislam kako e so Makedonskata. Se razbira deka ne go odobruvam toa mutiranje, no toa ne znachi deka ke prestanam da odam vo Crkva. Odam vo Crkva od malechka, a i tuka koga odam si palam sveka, ostavam pari na ikona, se pomoluvam i si zaminuvam, isto kako shto si pravev i vo Makedonija. Crkvite mozhe se menuvaat no jas kako vernik nikogash nema da se smenam, shto za zhal ne e sluchaj so poveketo drugi vernici tuka. Zatoa e dojdeno do ova deredze!!! |
| OooOo | si utnala crkva ti devojche, garant si bila pod dejstvo na alkohol i si vlegla u nekoj hare krishna hram :) |
| Whitebaby | quote:Mozhno e, u posledno vreme alkoholot mi e najdobar drugar. Pijem da ga zaboravim... ili pak beshe bolje biti pijan nego star... mislam deka pravev koktel od aspirin i votka [:D] Smej se ti samo smej se, a jas ushte vo shok sum so Bozhiknava bogosluzhba [:D] |
| OooOo | ne ide aspirin so vodka .. zemi ili apaurin ili leksilium [;)] |
| Whitebaby | Mozhe prozak? [:p] |
| OooOo | ne sum videl kako deluva toa, ali sum videl aspirin i leksilium koa zimale lugje :) Ako probash kazhi mi :P |
| Whitebaby | Ako prezhivam... [:o)] |
| slasa | Whitebaby Dobre ni Dojde |
| Whitebaby | quote:Blagodaram slasa. Dobro ve najdov. [:)] |
| Legal-Eagle | quote:Thunder it WAS NOT like that at all, though I am aware of the scam that took place in Melbourne. It was I and a select team that incorporated our church. There are NO PROFITS going into anyone's pockets. I am held answerable and responsible to the church committee, to the Australian tax office and adhere to all of the government regulations. My family along with a few others mortgaged their properties over 35 years ago to ensure that the Macedonian religion was not forgotten and that the Macedonians had a place of worship. For those interested there are no pews in our church, like there are in others. However there are stalls around the church walls and this is only for the elderly people who can not stand for the entire service. Back to what you were saying ..........When someone from Macedonia wants us to send all of the proceeds back there just to supplement their lifestyle that is where I draw the line!!!!!!! (Have you ever seen the opulent lifestyle that Dedo Petar lives?)... All church funds go to assist any family that is in need of financial assistance, maintains the church, and the community centre, pays for the teacher that teaches Macedonian at the weekend school, subsidises the local Macedonian radio station, sponsors all of the Macedonian sporting activities, and also send financial relief to families or/and organisations in Macedonia. My gripe is ... all the hoopla is coming from those individuals ... shto ne idaat vcrkva ni da zapalat not even one candle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dedo Petar, spent proceeds of the churches in Melbourne on a High Court hearing, and when he lost both the case and his right of appeal, he then turned to say that the Churches were possessed by the "Devil" at this given point in time, there is a defamation case pending against Dedo Petar. In the eyes of thee Australian Jurisdiction he does not have the Characteristics of a man of his position[}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)] Having said all of the above, I am a firm believer in "our" religion, and your faith is not measured by how many times you attend church, it should be evident in your day to day existence as a human being![:)] P.S What person in their right mind would recall our priest and leave our church without a service for Bozik, and Vodici and all of the praznici in between? Luckily the priest from sydney would fly up after mass their for Midday services here ... and you call Dedo Petar a man of the cloth??? .... ummmm interesting ... for other adjectives and nouns come to my mind!!!![:(!] |
| Legal-Eagle | For those interested further here is an article http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/08/14/1029113957946.html I wish i had the time to read the transript and post some of it here for you to give you a REAL rendition of events instead of the medias's slant! |
| Thunder from down under | Grcite so limuzini go setet nivniot i vo najsapoto mesto vo melburne mu imaja apartment kupeno a nasive da go pcujat sekako jas imam videno kaj ziveese dedo Petar vo edna drvena kujka raspadnata vo Preston , i ne mi kazvi deka nekoj se mesa i raboti dobrovolno vo crkvite ako nema za nego da stavi nesto vdzeb, site go znaet to vejke Aj kazi so imet napraeno so parite od crkvite ?, Dadovte nesto vie od vasata crkva na primer na familiite od decata so poginaja za Makedonija ? i posle velis ne odat luge da zapalat svejka , i da ti naredvat tamu kolku pari za svejkite kako na prodavnica da si ovaja 20 centi ovie belite 50 onie, dolar drugite , 3 za 2 dolari , abe kolku mi nosi dusata jas ke dam |
| Legal-Eagle | Thunder, unfortunately nothing in life is for free. There are costs involved in the running of any church. I offer my services and time for free and so do many other people. As far as the price of candles goes, someone has to pay for them... they dont fall out of the sky. Furthermore, i spent most of my school years at Private Catholic Boarding Schools where I was taught by Sisters (nuns) who still wore the full habit up until a few years ago, who lived very simply and their needs were not great. When you decide to embark on a religious life, material possessions are one of the things that you forego, because it is not of any relevance .... i think they say ..... God will provide! Respecting a person of the cloth is one thing, lavishing them is another. As far as monetary support, we send copious amounts of money where it is needed and YES we do send money to Macedonia. We also sent money to a Church there in Melbourne to get them out of financial trouble and in the end they told us to go and get FARKED when we recalled our loan so we could do extensions on our Community Centre .... GO FIGURE THAT ONE OUT[B)]. I invite any person to view our Church records, I have accounted for even the last postage stamp. NO ONE feathers their pocket from our church's funds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am not saying that it is not done in other churches and most definitely in ours it is was running ripe until we decided to take matters into my family's hands. But we have put a stop to that! The world is not a perfect place, nor will it ever be. But we must try to foster as much good spirit as we can. Unfortunately not all people think like i do .... and by the way ... unbeknowns to some ... money does not fall from the heavens, nor do churches operate on fresh air.[}:)] |
| OooOo | Ne pagjaat pari od nebo ali mnogu lesno se perat pari preku crkva, a bogami toa site go koristat. Zatoa shto se crkvite oslobodeni od davachki "TAX EXEMPT". |
| Thunder from down under | quote:Nikoj ne rece svejkite pespari da se ama jas primer nekolku pati sum poshol vcrkva i sum zel 5 svejki od po 20 centi sum im ostal $5 taka a sega tie ednostavno mi veli treba da platis dollar za tie 5 svejki , sho ne lici pravoslavna crkva da ti bara pari sekoj eden pravoslaven e svesen da ostavi kolku sho mozi za crkvata taka? quote:If its not to much troble or if its not a secret for you give me some examples were you sent "copious amount of money" in 2002? I to shto velis gi imas parite od crkvata do poslednata centa mozish da gi opravdash nema problem za to. Knigata trpi sve, kako ke napisish taka ke kazi knigata [:D] |
| didy | . Σ , . . ȣ Ӂ Σ Σ ȣ . . |
| Legal-Eagle | quote:If its not to much troble or if its not a secret for you give me some examples were you sent "copious amount of money" in 2002? I to shto velis gi imas parite od crkvata do poslednata centa mozish da gi opravdash nema problem za to. Knigata trpi sve, kako ke napisish taka ke kazi knigata [:D] Our financial records are readily available for viewing on request. We have nothing to hide. With regards to your comment Knigata trpi sve, kako ke napisish taka ke kazi knigata that is a direct attack on my dignity. It maybe hard for you to fathom that I give my time willingly and free of any charge. There are times when i feel i am thrashing my head up against a brick wall and want to throw the towel in, but in order to preserve all of the hard work and tireless effort of my family i put up with the crap, otherwise our church will fall victim to the hungry wolves. I fully understand what you are trying to say Thunder, but this little black duck wont allow anything to tarnish our church records. OooOo as far as tax exemptions, I am probably notorious for those schemes however i dont do it through the church system. There are numerous loop-hole and technicalities in australian legislation that allows for laundering ... but NEVER through the CHURCH. |
| Thunder from down under |
quote:Taka ti se cini Merche it is just a saying , you may use it [:D] |
| OooOo | oxooooooooo, sea se otkriva od kade se otvaraat fruit markets, se vozat koli, se kupuva sound surround ... ahahhahaha pa taka kazhi be hic-cups, deka narodot ustvari tebe ti kupuva :)))))))))) |
| fio | Hic's Laundry :))) Davash tri kila banani, dobivash sound around 4 free :) |