| IRAK |
| AaaAa |
Oce bit rata? |
| zodu |
quote:
Originally posted by mmlpp
A so ima veza iraq so makedonija
Nema veze irak nikakva so makedonija, ama i vi Srbija vikaa isto taka koga go bombardirase tatko Buch prvpat irak " E daleku e irak i sto ima veze Srbija so Irak" pa posle deset godini istite bombi i pagaa i nea na glava,.Denes pьoveke ne e prasanjeto koj so sto ima veze tuku koj kolku ima veze. I definitivno vladee mislenjeto barem kaj glupavine Amerikanci( Molam Makedoncite koi se vo Amerika da ne se zemat za prozvani [:)] ), Golemata riba ja jade malata. Ama 11. Septemvri im dokaza deka mnogu gledaat crtani i akcioni filmovi. i deka ponekogas i malata riba moze da bide otrovna. No sala na strana, ako bide nekoe golemo sranje , a se mirisa deka ke bide loso ni se pise na site i na golemite i na malite ribi. |
| slasa |
[img]http://www.globe-guardian.com/images/iraq.jpg[/img] |
| slasa |
[img]http://www.abadan.net/joke/sound/iraq.gif[/img] |
| DaRkJeSuS |
slasa dur mavat so onolkavo cekance ubo e:) opasno e da ne mavnit so pogolem pa proektilon da letnit duri mkd:)) |
| fio |
quote:
Originally posted by OooOo
quote:
Originally posted by mafisKumA
America, unfortunately with the assistance of Australia and England, will attack.
Australia??? Who said that? I never saw on TV that Australia is involved in this.
Australian soldier
[img]http://www.wave.co.nz/~owairoa/news%20upload/aborigine%20visit%201.jpg[/img]
Australian Captain
[img]http://www.australianmadegoods.com/images/multi_media/aboriginal_6.JPG[/img]
are you trying to get rid of the aboriginals?
[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]
me gledaa chudno u netov kaj sho bev sednat |
| mafisKumA |
Da bre fio epten opasni se.
Samo da gi vidis ke crknis od straf
pa kamoti ako pelenine da mu se napolneti
eh togas i oruzje frlash i se
i ke begas so polni gajci samo da se spasish. [;)][:p][;)]
Aborigani eh to se vika opasen vojnik [:o)][:o)][:o)]
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| melpomena |
quote:
Originally posted by Sunshine
Melpomena ti izgleda go promashi postot za avstralijanecot koj ne go pushtile da vleze vo Makedonija iako im objasnil na granica deka roditelite mu se makedonci, a on patuva so avstraliski pasosh i bez viza za mk.[:0]
Primeri 1001, ama stvarno mislat deka vo Makedonija rabotive se sreduvaat na "zhimi majka".
Go chitav toj post, bashka tuka vo Makedonija se zboreshe okolu toa...
Mozebi trebashe da kazam deka Amerikanecov ima zavrsheno 2 fakulteta i + masters, a i dojden e da ne "sovetuva" kako da "vlezeme vo NATO". E sega na taa "nachitanost" da davash lichna karta mesto osiguruvanje, ili da se chudish zashto ne ti primaat nezaverena fotokopija od "Mariage certificate" vo administracija, i da mislish deka te shpiuniraat ako ti baraat broj na pasosh od zena ti, zashto istata aplicirala za da dobie "lichna karta za stranci"...[:D][:D][:D] |
| Bravo |
Ne treba be sine ....samo ljubav neka vlada po svetot ..aj taka [:)] |
| Whitebaby |
Bice rata kazhu sviiiiiiiiii... a ja cu umreti od ljubaviiiiiiiiii... tananananan [:D]
Bice rata drugarice AaaAa, ali ce Bush popiti pedalu [:D] |
| fio |
bush kje go krka :) |
| AaaAa |
A kako ke go krka spored vas??? |
| fio |
kompletno sose muda :) |
| melpomena |
Fio ti da ne go okrkash na kraj[:D][:D][:D]
AaaAa mi nedostasuvash, te nema neshto[:(] |
| fio |
ja ima ja ima, ama ti so drugo si preokupirana :) |
| melpomena |
Pa sega...preokupirana sum , tebe da te pazam koga igrame biljard da ne ja vnesesh crnata u pogreshna dupka[;)][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D] |
| slasa |
quote:
Originally posted by melpomena
Pa sega...preokupirana sum , tebe da te pazam koga igrame biljard da ne ja vnesesh crnata u pogreshna dupka[;)][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]
[:D][:D][:D][:D]Fio nemoj bre dupki da promarevis zemisi Viagra [:D][:D][:D] |
| Bravo |
A sto bese ustvari topic-ov decki?[?]
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| Thunder from down under |
IRAQ ne ama KOREA ke e sramnit amerika so zemjata vo kameno vreme ke dojdi amerika samo da se cepni so Korea,
i ako se tolku silni amerika so ne odat sami tuku se molat na Francuzite na Anglicanite i na 90% od ostanatiot svet
Avion bil pred paganje i bile cetvorica vo avionov ,Michael Jordan,Papata, George Bush, i nekoe 10 godisno dete
a bile samo 3 podobranci ,
zema Michael Jordan podobran i vika izvinete ama jas sum napoznatiot kosharkar ne mozam da dozvolam da poginam,
george bush zema i toj eden podobran i vika jas sum najpamentniot pretsedatel vo istorijata na amerika ne mozam da si dozvolam da poginam ,
i Papata go gleda detevo i mu veli odi ti dete zemigo posledniot podobran i skokaj jas ke se zrtvuvam ,
detevo go gleda i mu veli abe ima podobran i zatebe
, Ovaj najpametniot pretsedatel vo istorijata na amerika e ima zemeno tashnata moja od na shkolo sho mi bese
PSVie sho ste od amerika bi trebelo da znajte za ova
na vremeto uste tatkomu na ovaj koga bese pretsedatel se zborveshe kaj nas deka sinmu zel za zena makedonka sega dali e george bush ili bratmu toj vo florida sho bese ?[?]
mislam zenamu na bush na Lazar Kolisheski kerka mu beshe
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| OooOo |
http://www.hereinreality.com/familyvalues.html |
| fio |
quote:
Originally posted by Thunder from down under
IRAQ ne ama KOREA ke e sramnit amerika so zemjata vo kameno vreme ke dojdi amerika samo da se cepni so Korea,
i ako se tolku silni amerika so ne odat sami tuku se molat na Francuzite na Anglicanite i na 90% od ostanatiot svet
Avion bil pred paganje i bile cetvorica vo avionov ,Michael Jordan,Papata, George Bush, i nekoe 10 godisno dete
a bile samo 3 podobranci ,
zema Michael Jordan podobran i vika izvinete ama jas sum napoznatiot kosharkar ne mozam da dozvolam da poginam,
george bush zema i toj eden podobran i vika jas sum najpamentniot pretsedatel vo istorijata na amerika ne mozam da si dozvolam da poginam ,
i Papata go gleda detevo i mu veli odi ti dete zemigo posledniot podobran i skokaj jas ke se zrtvuvam ,
detevo go gleda i mu veli abe ima podobran i zatebe
, Ovaj najpametniot pretsedatel vo istorijata na amerika e ima zemeno tashnata moja od na shkolo sho mi bese
PSVie sho ste od amerika bi trebelo da znajte za ova
na vremeto uste tatkomu na ovaj koga bese pretsedatel se zborveshe kaj nas deka sinmu zel za zena makedonka sega dali e george bush ili bratmu toj vo florida sho bese ?[?]
mislam zenamu na bush na Lazar Kolisheski kerka mu beshe
A Australija kje bide pod robstvo od strana na Aboridzinite [:D] |
| bella1981 |
zdr. Mora da ima rat i amerika da padni na gaz... oti tije segde se oikat a sega sassam neka mu vrati.... lujge mislat kako mozi to da mu frli bomba nimi alli alliances se thye nke3y i nikoj ne znaj so koj se so iraq!!!![:)]
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| SwEeTbAbE |
auf kolku li samo sakam da vidam kaj USA toni! |
| fio |
australija kje potone prva kako posledica na globalnoto zatopluvanje [;)] |
| Thunder from down under |
E mozhi fio da bidi prva ama edno za milion i dvesta iljadi godini , mnogu pokasno nego amerika ,
mislish tie so se od nato i se verni na amerika ?
ako bidi nesto malce pogolemo da se zameshet pojke od 2 zemji vo vojna ke vidish kako germancite ,francuzite i drigite ke e zaebat amerika i to gadno |
| Bravo |
quote:
Originally posted by SwEeTbAbE
auf kolku li samo sakam da vidam kaj USA toni!
Brejjjjj "sakam recham , neznam kazam" ..da vi eam nepismenite [}:)]..bar da beshe za temava i kje ti prostev [:D]...aj dosta za tebe ...lugje US kje maa sakale nie ili ne :( ..u prasanje e golema ekonomija okolu ovoj problem...kao i uvek .. |
| OooOo |
a ti neshto da kazheshe sho mislish, ne samo da filozofirash shto kazhale drugite? |
| ozonce |
Ke ima karanje... |
| OooOo |
taman rabota [;)] |
| AaaAa |
quote:
Originally posted by melpomena
Fio ti da ne go okrkash na kraj[:D][:D][:D]
AaaAa mi nedostasuvash, te nema neshto[:(]
Meli zlato tuka sum ... nothing escapes my eye ne se sekiraj :))
malku povekje obvrski ali ke se "cueme," ti pazi se samo nemoj na fio slucajno da mu davash tips vo maskost... neka vezba malku sam ... da vidime dve li se ili pomalku:( |
| fio |
AaaAa, otvori i tuka tema fio````````` ako ne :)
Gleam od usta ne me vadish [;)] |
| SwEeTbAbE |
quote:
Originally posted by Bravo
quote:
Originally posted by SwEeTbAbE
auf kolku li samo sakam da vidam kaj USA toni!
Brejjjjj "sakam recham , neznam kazam" ..da vi eam nepismenite [}:)]..bar da beshe za temava i kje ti prostev [:D]...aj dosta za tebe ...lugje US kje maa sakale nie ili ne :( ..u prasanje e golema ekonomija okolu ovoj problem...kao i uvek ..
Ti em buljashot nepismen...i sto qur imash da zborish za mene ili za nekoj drug okolu nivnoto mislenje?Ako si tolku pameten inteligenten i 'sakas kazesh neznaesh recesh' slobodno iskazi se...[}:)]
btw...mnogy dobro se izjasni...ali ne bi bilo losho za tie 'nepismenite' sto si i eden od niv da navlezesh u temata i ubavo da im razjasnish....neli?sepak interesno bi bilo da te chita narodot...
Pozdraf,
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| DaRkJeSuS |
fino:)
jas kako so gledam so nas nikoj ne mora da vojuva samo neka ne ostaj nekoe vreme da se ispotepame samite pa posle neka ni dade eden list kapitulacija da potpisime.. nego luge daj diskutirajte ako diskutirate kako so lici a ne da se vregate i da se nadvikvite eden so drug to vazit za Bravo i SweetBabe posebno
inace moe mislenje e deka amerika nema da mavni samo ako vidi bushovata administracija deka nema podrshka od svojot narod .. vo sekoj drug slicaj ke mavni
p.s. ocekvam replika i diskusija a NE VREGANJE za mojte licni stavovi! fala |
| Thunder from down under |
quote:
Originally posted by DaRkJeSuS
inace moe mislenje e deka amerika nema da mavni samo ako vidi bushovata administracija deka nema podrshka od svojot narod .. vo sekoj drug slicaj ke mavni
p.s. ocekvam replika i diskusija a NE VREGANJE za mojte licni stavovi! fala
Aj jas ti garantiram deka da pominat praznicive [:D][:D]
i ke mavni amerika i to po moe nekade kon 25ti februari
i posle to ke bidit krajot na amerika |
| SwEeTbAbE |
spored mojot prv post ne mi se veruva deka nekogo navrediv i niti pak sum imala nekoja namera nekoj da navredam...me navredija....taka da morashe da se prevzemi neshto:)
inace amerika kje mava....bez razlika dali ima poddrshka od narodot ili ne.ima dosta golem broj od americhkata populacija koi se protiv no koj gi slusha niv.vo koja i da e vojna sekogash ima lugje koi se za i koi se protiv...kje mava samo vo prashanje e denot koga kje mavni
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| Thunder from down under |
na 25ti februari ,
a sho bese to na vestite vcera rusite mu se razvikaja nesto na amerika , show me the evidence taka nesto kako da im rece rusinot
Protiv e Rusija taka? Drugi koj e protiv?ovie kina indija protiv ili za ? |
| slasa |
[img]http://www.attrition.org/gallery/politics/bush-binocs.jpg[/img] |
| mafisKumA |
America, unfortunately with the assistance of Australia and England, will attack. Bush is willing to sacrifice the lives of others but not his own. http://www.awolbush.com/
The sad part is that countless innocent lives will be lost and it may well be the beginning of WWIII. For what? To feed the ego of a warmonger who vowed to finish what his father started and to gain control of the oil.
How many weapons of mass destruction or alike does America possess?
Korea India China so on and so forth also have these so called weapons. So why doesn’t America attack them?
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| OooOo |
ja se nadam deka kje napadne i toa shto poskoro i deka site do eden shto kje otidat tamu kje izginat.
Treba da se otvorat novi rabotni mesta, mislam da se popunat tie, novi imigranti treba da doagjaat, para da se vrti. Shto e bitno shto kje izginat tie tamu, ionaka vikaat u armija idat samo gej lugje (zodu valjda nema da go prochita ova) [:D] |
| zodu |
quote:
Originally posted by OooOo
ja se nadam deka kje napadne i toa shto poskoro i deka site do eden shto kje otidat tamu kje izginat.
Treba da se otvorat novi rabotni mesta, mislam da se popunat tie, novi imigranti treba da doagjaat, para da se vrti. Shto e bitno shto kje izginat tie tamu, ionaka vikaat u armija idat samo gej lugje (zodu valjda nema da go prochita ova) [:D]
Go procita zodu ova [:D][:D][:D][;)], mislam deka tie sto vikat se zli jazici, Gay lugeto se miroljubivi, mozda mislea na lezbejkite tie se tie sto bi se tepale stalno [:D][:D]
A sto se odnesuva do napad i jas mislam deka ke mavne Amerika. Bush e dovolno luda da mu se ebe koj sto vika. Tatko mu zapocna on mora da zavrsi. |
| OooOo |
quote:
Originally posted by mafisKumA
America, unfortunately with the assistance of Australia and England, will attack.
Australia??? Who said that? I never saw on TV that Australia is involved in this.
Australian soldier
[img]http://www.wave.co.nz/~owairoa/news%20upload/aborigine%20visit%201.jpg[/img]
Australian Captain
[img]http://www.australianmadegoods.com/images/multi_media/aboriginal_6.JPG[/img]
are you trying to get rid of the aboriginals?
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| SwEeTbAbE |
yep thats true...Australia is in it too.Australia is a part of England...Queen'z RuLz..if England goes Australia goes as well... |
| OooOo |
Canada too? |
| SwEeTbAbE |
probably you're right about the aboriginals....not sure even though they are not involved in any of the forces i believe...maybe a small number....correct me if am wrong:) |
| SwEeTbAbE |
China, India, Korea and Russia are against...not sure about Canada, but I think yes Canada is in too |
| OooOo |
Debar and Jamaica are in as well |
| SwEeTbAbE |
yep I just read a statement in a US's newspaper how the jamaicans and debarchani are participating as well...anywayz jamaicans might be od korist with that bob sankite...they are used on the snow so Irak won't make any problem to settle in :) on the other hand debarchani may push the sanki... well why not:)
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| didy |
Зошто мислите дека Америка ќе добие шамар.И да се случи тоа да знаете сите ќе изгубиме.
Каде ви е екосвеста?Дали знаете дека ќе страда цела земјина топка.
Зошто се трупа толку војска кон границата со Ирак?Да ако Садам фрли атомска ќе ја блокира сета техника и мора само пешадија да ја води војната со оклопна артилерија.
Дали го сакате тоа?
Да се уништи флората и фауната за да изгубат една груп0а на луѓе кој сакаат да го штитат својот интерес, а тоа е еврејскиот капитал во поголем дел и дел од круната на Англија.
Размиослете добро што посакувата во себе тоа и ќе се оствари.
Молете се мирот да победи во секој случај |
| ozonce |
ke vidime, ke vidime :) |
| Thunder from down under |
od 15 clenki so se vo UN 11 se protiv, samo 4 se za ameria, Anglija ,Avstralia i Kanada |
| mmlpp |
A so ima veza iraq so makedonija |
| Thunder from down under |
quote:
Originally posted by didy
Зошто мислите дека Америка ќе добие шамар.И да се случи тоа да знаете сите ќе изгубиме.
Каде ви е екосвеста?Дали знаете дека ќе страда цела земјина топка.
Зошто се трупа толку војска кон границата со Ирак?Да ако Садам фрли атомска ќе ја блокира сета техника и мора само пешадија да ја води војната со оклопна артилерија.
Дали го сакате тоа?
Да се уништи флората и фауната за да изгубат една груп0а на луѓе кој сакаат да го штитат својот интерес, а тоа е еврејскиот капитал во поголем дел и дел од круната на Англија.
Размиослете добро што посакувата во себе тоа и ќе се оствари.
Молете се мирот да победи во секој случај
Pa ima mir neka sedi miren ovaj pederot od amerika , neka ne go lazi narodotot, imal Sadam ova imal ona , sho mu e galje nemu koj sho imal koj se tie da kazat koj sho trebelo da ima, a i plus nema nikakov dokaz a go lazi narodot pa tie amerikancite prosti uste veruvaat see |
| mafisKumA |
OooOo da Australia proslata nedela isprati. Od tije sto gi ispratija tocni broj kolku beja Aboriganies neznam izvini, ama pazi mozda bese najdobro da ispratat Aboriganies zaradi Boomerangs se very quiet and they always return so razmisli kolku pari ke se zastedi da se upotrebuva Boomerangs namesto nuclear weapons i plus aboriganite se nomadic people mozat da se snajdat in the desert oni znat how to live off the land.
Ova nema da bidi samo mejgu America I Iraq ova ke bidi religijska vojna kako sto imat receno Nostradamus http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa050602a.htm
Thunder imat mnogu Americans sto se protiv ova vojna ama nikoj negi slusa.
Kolku weapons of mass distruction imat America????????
Ama to neje vazno, right?
America has always had the “DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO” attitude [:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!]
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| Thunder from down under |
Posledniot pat ko bea avstralijancite vo vojna da i pomognat na amerika vo Gulf war eden brod pratija so vojnici i posle Bob Hawke isprati uste dva brodoj so pivo i so maruana za im se najdelo tamu na vojskata avstraliska :)))) |
| DaRkJeSuS |
to znaci da ti e keif da sluzis vo aus army:))
a zeni prakat ili mora sami da si naogame tamu |
| SwEeTbAbE |
bogami pravi sentrila se...strav da te fati[;)][:D]si fikam da vi i pratime nekoj sea za Sv.Trifun da si namestite vo nekoe lozje da vi gi brka vrapchinjata sto vikate?[;)][:D][:D]bi trebalo da se od zijan.... |
| Canmak |
as the american president stated "You are either with us or against us" and I feel sorry for those that go against.
Germany and France will join the coalition eventually but will it be to late in the Americans eye's that will be answered I guess at a later date |
| Sunshine |
quote:
Originally posted by Canmak
as the american president stated "You are either with us or against us" and I feel sorry for those that go against.
Well, cakes are known as loyal followers to the americans. God forbid they don't do what USA says, and the southern big brother might get mad. [:D][:D][:D] Oh just how the cakes cried when Bush mentioned Mexico and not Canada in a TV interview as a loyal friend. It was in the newspapers for two weeks, crying like babies "Bush doesn't like us, lets kiss some more ass, so he'll mention us in another interview".
US says "jump", and Cakes ask "how high"?
Bush already said, "Britain is the most important ally, we'll call canadians after we're done". What, you're going to cry again? ohhh, poor cakes, nobody want to play with them.
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| fumfudge |
Abe Amerika i sama ke odi ako saka, ama treba slika da se napravi demek kolaicija ima, a kolicijata se sobra za 5 minuti.
Chlenki na koalicijata: Estonija, Latvija, Litvanija, Barbados, Polska, Bugarija, i site bezglasni bukvi shirum svetot koi sakaat da go iskoristat momentot i mozhat da dobijat malce vnimanie. Od korist: Anglija, vo paket buy one get two free idat i Avstralija i Nov Zeland, a Kanada nekako e protiv poshto Amerikancite im istepaa 4 vojnichinja vo Afganistan lani, ama isto kako i kaj nas so znameto i imeto, vo Parlamentot ke im izglasat "ODIME I NIE VO VOJNA" pa narodot sakal nejkel ke kazhe aj, chim kazhaa na vestite oficijalno odime, znachi stavrno odime, i oni ke si legnat na brashnoto.
Shto se odnesuva za Amerika, zhalno e shto se zaletani taka, ama od kol na kol, ke se nadenat nekade, pa posle ke mora za Greenland da podnesuvaat lugjeto za green karti :))))
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| Bravo |
Cmokich Sweetbaby [:)]..zaso ma ti taka me napagjash...sramota [V]...tuku aj nema veze..ti prostuvam [xx(]..e sho bese temava ...a da da ..abe lugje USA kje mava ...ali u sekoj slucaj , sama ne bi mozela toa da go izvede ..ne od tehnicki i objektivni prichini ..tuku bash poradi ona neli "svetski mir" deka branat , kolku i toa da e providno ..ali sepak , dobri g'zolizachi imaat pozadi sebe..edna Canada , uvek vazalski nastroenata Anglija pa i , pazi be Australija [8D]...pa taka da dovolni si se sami za sebe ...inaku nekoj sponma religiska vojna ..hmmmm...interesno , interesno ...ali ne sum bash siguren u toa...aj caos sea |
| SwEeTbAbE |
sram te bilo Bravo[:)]kako sto te napagam....temava e bash pogodena za napad i tie raboti[;)][:D]
Pozdraf, |
| ILjo |
quote:
Originally posted by OooOo
Canada too?
Mislam deka kanada ne ja podrzuva Amerika ovoj pat [:D] |
| Thunder from down under |
quote:
Originally posted by DaRkJeSuS
to znaci da ti e keif da sluzis vo aus army:))
a zeni prakat ili mora sami da si naogame tamu
$40,000 godinata minimum plata najmalu sho mozi da zemash
se plateno
pojdi dva dena na brodot za iraq i vratise nazad penzija do zivotno
:)))
http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/AIRFORCE/airforcehtml.htm |
| OooOo |
eve kako razmisluvaat amerite ...
1. Do you approve or disapprove of the job that George W. Bush is doing as president?
NBC
Approve 61% 61%
Disapprove 33% 31%
Not sure 6% 8%
2. Should the United States take military action to remove Saddam Hussein from power?
NBC
Should take military action 63% 60%
Should not take military action 29% 27%
Not sure 8% 13%
3. Did you see or hear any of Secretary of State Colin Powell's Iraq remarks Wednesday to the UN Security Council?
NBC
Yes 89% 64%
No 11% 36%
4. How convincing did you find the case Powell made against Iraq?
NBC
Very convincing 49% 39%
Fairly convincing 19% 27%
Not that convincing 15% 8%
Not at all convincing 8% 3%
Have not seen any evidence that was presented 6% 17%
Not sure 3% 6%
5. Do you think Powell succeeded in showing Iraq is an imminent threat?
NBC
Yes 61% 66%
No 26% 12%
Have not seen any evidence 7% 11%
Not sure 6% 11%
6. Do you think Powell succeeded in conclusively revealing Iraq is working to produce biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons?
NBC
Yes 63% 63%
No 22% 16%
Have not seen any evidence 8% 11%
Not sure 7% 10%
7. Do you think Powell succeeded in providing evidence that was unknown before?
NBC
Yes 64% 61%
No 23% 13%
Have not seen any evidence 6% 14%
Not sure 7% 12%
8. Do you think Powell succeeded in conclusively demonstrating Iraq has hidden existing weapons of mass destruction?
NBC
Yes 64% 60%
No 22% 16%
Have not seen any evidence 7% 12%
Not sure 6% 12%
9. Do you think Powell succeeded in making the case military action is needed now?
NBC
Yes 58% 54%
No 31% 21%
Have not seen any evidence 5% 11%
Not sure 6% 14%
10. Do you think Powell succeeded in showing Iraq has ties to the terrorist group al Qaida?
NBC
Yes 51% 52%
No 28% 18%
Have not seen any evidence 8% 14%
Not sure 13% 16%
11. When should United States take military action against Iraq?
NBC
Only with the support of the United Nations 29% 51%
Even if the United Nations does not support such action. 50% 37%
Never 7% 4%
Depends 12% 4%
Not sure 2% 4%
12. When should United States take military action against Iraq?
NBC
If allies are willing to take part but the United Nations is not 52% 51%
Only if both allies and United Nations are willing to take part 27% 37%
Never 7% 4%
Depends 12% 3%
Not sure 2% 5%
13. Has Bush administration adequately prepared the American people and explained the risks involved in the United States' going to war with Iraq?
NBC
Has adequately prepared the American people 48% 49%
Has not adequately prepared the American people 46% 46%
Not sure 6% 5%
14. What do you believe the Columbia space shuttle accident represents?
NBC
Failure of NASA's safety programs 21% 22%
Accident that is beyond what is reasonable to expect 56% 62%
Not sure 22% 16%
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| Whitebaby |
Dali deneska nekoj go gledashe O'Reilly Factor, koga gospodinot novinar so seta svoja arogancija izjavi deka "koga USA ke go pokori Irak, Francija i Germanija kako kazna nema da imaat dostapnost do naftata"? [}:)]
Neverojatno kakva arogancija ima ovaa nacija!!! [}:)] |
| Canmak |
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Originally posted by Sunshine
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Originally posted by Canmak
as the american president stated "You are either with us or against us" and I feel sorry for those that go against.
Well, cakes are known as loyal followers to the americans. God forbid they don't do what USA says, and the southern big brother might get mad. [:D][:D][:D] Oh just how the cakes cried when Bush mentioned Mexico and not Canada in a TV interview as a loyal friend. It was in the newspapers for two weeks, crying like babies "Bush doesn't like us, lets kiss some more ass, so he'll mention us in another interview".
US says "jump", and Cakes ask "how high"?
Bush already said, "Britain is the most important ally, we'll call canadians after we're done". What, you're going to cry again? ohhh, poor cakes, nobody want to play with them.
Sunshine were you born in Canada? If you were your a disgrace to Canada and if you weren't....as I stated in another thread your a Parasite. I think you must come from T.O since you used the term Cake. Which is a derogatory term making fun of Canadians that speak only english so basically not only are you an idiot your a bigot as well. As for that speech after sept 11 sure Canadians were hurt by that....but it was a Canadian that wrote that speech for George Bush, The Americans clearly stated that the omission was not intentional and by mistake. And you better believe it Canada will support the US in all of her actions- why? Well because she is our largest trading partner...no other countries in the world match the trading done between the US and Canada. Of course Britain is Americas most important ally in terms of military power. Canada doesn't have a powerful military and there is no need to have one when you have a country right next to you that will protect you if you are ever attacked.
Fumfudge the friendly fire killing of the 4 Canadian soldiers has nothing to do with Canadas stand on the war. As soon as the soldiers were killed the Americans started Military Court proceedings against there two pilots. Actually one of the Canadian wives stated that the Americans should not be tried since in times of wars accidents do happen. Trust me the Canadian gov't will support the US even if it doesn't go through the UN....Canada would like it to go through the UN though |
| Sunshine |
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Originally posted by Canmak
Sunshine were you born in Canada? If you were your a disgrace to Canada and if you weren't....as I stated in another thread your a Parasite.
hahahhaha, you have no right to call anybody parasite, since one clear look in the mirror will give you a clear picture of a parasite.
As for myself, I been long enough in Canada to realize what a low lives cakes are. "Welfare" is the main organization that cakes work for. Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining. I am in this country because the people and the system are stupid enough that you can use them to your advantage.
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I think you must come from T.O since you used the term Cake. Which is a derogatory term making fun of Canadians that speak only english so basically not only are you an idiot your a bigot as well.
another insult, eh? hahahah, you forgot what they teach you cakes at school or maybe it was kindergarten "stick and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me". Well, right back at you[:D]
Why shouldn't I use the word cake? Afterall, all you need to know is how to say "spare change". Spelling is brain surgery for you ppl. Neznaete podaleku od nosot. The furthest you've ever been is Florida and whoooowww that was an experience of a lifetime. [8D]
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As for that speech after sept 11 sure Canadians were hurt by that....but it was a Canadian that wrote that speech for George Bush, The Americans clearly stated that the omission was not intentional and by mistake. And you better believe it Canada will support the US in all of her actions- why? Well because she is our largest trading partner...no other countries in the world match the trading done between the US and Canada. Of course Britain is Americas most important ally in terms of military power. Canada doesn't have a powerful military and there is no need to have one when you have a country right next to you that will protect you if you are ever attacked.
another hahahhahahah. Canadians were hurt you say. You poor poor cakes, I didn't realize it was so tough to hurt you. It was a freaking speech get over it!
"Largest trading partner" - huh. Pray that the canadian dollar will stay low, or us is taking their business elsewhere. Yeah, we're trading potatoes, oh and Cretien had to "remind" Bush, because he didn't know this. [:0]
Now, why don't you just admit that cakes have always kissed us ass and always will? Is that so hard, or it's hurting your sensitive canadian feelings? Now, now, no crying on this forum...[:D] |
| OooOo |
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Sunshine were you born in Canada? If you were your a disgrace to Canada and if you weren't....as I stated in another thread your a Parasite
Te pecka koga te mavaat za Canada. A Mr. CAKE? [:D]
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| Canmak |
OooOo I have asked my father why he came to Canada.....he said for a better life that is why he came.
I have heard that arguement over and over again.."the Map one" That doesn't prove nothing it only proves that they memorize the map of the world......what does that have to do with "thinking". Secondly you are right about the fact that students there learn some stuff quicker then over here but in the end we catch up and pass them. No matter how hard you guys try to claim that the schooling there is tougher I still don't believe it......Over here I believe we are taught to learn and figure it out ourselves while over there you are forced to memorize the problems and solutions.
Do not make the common mistake and confuse Canadian schooling with the American ones, they are two different things. Even though the top schools in the world are more or less the IVY League schools in the states most of the american schools are lacking specifically in the ghettos and poorer regions |
| BabaRoga |
abe Canmak..bezvredna,izgubena, pateticna, otupena duso...poglup stvarno nemozes da bides..gordiot kanagjanec so macedonian heritage..hehehh |
| Canmak |
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hahahhaha, you have no right to call anybody parasite, since one clear look in the mirror will give you a clear picture of a parasite.
As for myself, I been long enough in Canada to realize what a low lives cakes are. "Welfare" is the main organization that cakes work for. Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining. I am in this country because the people and the system are stupid enough that you can use them to your advantage.
As I said you're a parasite.....your statement just proves it. SO you weren't born in Canada but yet you still live here? You also state that the main organization that the Canadians work for is the Welfare system...a system that is loaded with parasite boaters such as yourself. A system that has ranked in the top 3 according to the UN for about the last 15 years about 9 of those years were #1 consecutively I must add, but you must be so much smarter then the UN economist etc cause as you stated that the system and the people are so stupid but yet we have been at or near the top of the world in rankings....so I am thinking if we are stupid the rest of the world must be retarded.
As for you saying the farthest I have ever been is Florida.....I have probally been to more countries then you have....and thats because I have a passport that allows me to go almost everywhere in the world.
You claim spelling is brain surgery for us Canadians....I can gaurentee you that we have added much more to humanity then most countries in the world with advances in science, engineering etc but then again according to you sunshine we are stupid.
OooOo it doesn't bother me much that people trash talk Canada or the western world.......I just think its funny that these people that do it live in the western world and benefit from the standards in the western world but still bash the western world.....No matter what you people say the fact is that Canada along with its western world partners have a higher standard of living and their citizens have better lives cause of it
I sit here and see all of your claims that Canadians are stupid etc...but in actually we are ranked 3rd or 4th in the world for over all schooling with only one european country ahead of us in the rankings and trust me its not a eastern bloc country that is above us.
I just try to understand the mindset of you people that live here and bash it anyways......no one forced you to come to the west but you decided to anyways....the question you all must ask yourselves is "WHY?" and I bet the answer at one point originally was that (even though you all will deny it) - FOR A BETTER LIFE |
| OooOo |
Canmak,
Ne se trudi da kazhuvash i da dokazhuvash nekoj raboti. Ti si mi mene jasen kako den. Chovek shto eden den ne zhiveel vo Makedonija da mi kazhuva mene za Makedonija nemozhe. Nemozhe od ednostavna prichina shto nikogash nemozhe da go razbere i IMA toj balkanski duh vo sebe. Mozhesh so glava u zid da mavash ako sakash ali toa e vistinata. Tebe te svakjam kako sekoj amer ili kanagjanec shto soli pamet od strana, a shto ustvari mu e servirano od vlasta (chitaj cnn/msnbc/foxnews).
Ako tolku se falish za shkolstvoto (demek shkolstvoto vo kanada e najdobro) samo eden primer kje ti posocham koga sletav vo miami.
Mislam deka nema golema razlika od shkolstvoto vo amerika i kanada.
Amer: Where you from?
Jas: Macedonia
Amer: And where is that?
Jas: South of India
Amer: Aha, I know where exactly is that.
Jas: Good.
90% od vas neznaete da pokazhete kade e amerika (ili kanada) na mapa. A tie 10% verovatno na tepka kje pogodat neshto. Dodeka vo Makedonija dete od 10 godini znae na karta da ti pokazhe i evropa i azija i afrika i juzhna i serverna amerika, chak shto manje vishe i drzhavite kolku tolku gi znae. Matematikata shto nie ja uchime vo osnovno shkolo vie ja uchite na Fax, znachi ne high school, nego na fakultet. Wanna bet?
A na tvoeto prashanje zashto sme nie tuka, odgovorot e prashaj go tatko ti, od isti prichini shto i tatko ti.
Btw da se zhivi Bosancite niz Kanada shto zhiveat od vashi pari na welfare :)
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| OooOo |
Canmak,
izbrishi go postot pred da pochnat site da ti se smeat. Ne lupaj zhiti se. Ne e samo mapata vo prashanje, mali 10000 sitnici se vo prashanje. Ako te interesira koj slobodno prashaj, kje ti gi nabrojam :)
Ne mi kazha shto mislish za Bosancite shto zhiveat na welfare :P
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| Canmak |
Let them laugh I will not erase my posts.....I clearly believe actually I know we have better schooling in Canada then they do in Macedonia |
| Sunshine |
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Originally posted by Canmak
Let them laugh I will not erase my posts.....I clearly believe actually I know we have better schooling in Canada then they do in Macedonia
How do you know, is what I want to know? I've been to school in Macedonia, US and Canada. Now, you think you know more about the schooling system than me? Kako shto rekov, neznaesh podaleku od nosot a zborish.
The constant repeating that you are ranked 3-rd or 4th in the world really doesn't prove much. I've seen 10 different versions of the same list, hmmmm...
Yeah, and the main difference is that cakes don't take the advantage to go to school. It's easier to walk around and ask for spare change, isn't it? Check the last statistic for UofT or Rayerson attendance. Cakes are barely putting any numbers on the list, but the Serbian and Chinese students are overwhelming. It's a fact cakes don't appreciate what this county has to offer, because they were born here and think they're better than the immigrants.
You calling me a "parasite" it means nothing to me. It just proves how limited you are. Hell, my parrot knows more words than you.[:D]
I have eight cakes working under my supervision (read I supervise parasites), so words from one alike "I'm mooching of my parents while living in their basement, because they brought up an idiot cake w/macedonian heritage" really don't hurt me. I might be an immigrant, but a well educated one who takes no bull from cakes w/ macedonian heritage or any other cake for that matter.
Huh, you mentioned something about passports??? What makes you think I don't have the same one you carry? Or you just assume? Another cake joke, making an ass of u and me. How funny [?] Well you are making one of yourself for sure.
You've been to more countries...hahahhahahahha. Well if Montreal and Vancouver are countries, I might believe you. [:D][:D][:D]
90% of cakes don't go out of the Canadian border, and the other 10% go down to the US. Note! I said cakes, not immigrants.
You ask why I came here... Honestly, because I was bored.
Why I stayed?...Because I became too independent to go back and mooch of my parents.
Now about blah, blah you telling me about how advanced you are in science and engineering and whatever. Are you trying to tell me that all those scientists are cakes? phaaaahhahahahahha Canmak you cake/maso. Lets take medicine as an example. Do you even know how many foreign research scientist we have in Canada? Do you know that Immigration provides "permanent residents papers" like there is no tomorrow for these scientists. Do you know that the Ministry of Health and research hospitals have special budgets for bringing scientists from around the world?
Do you know how many cake scientists we have hired in the past two years? You're better of not knowing this last one, because it's an embarrassment to your country.
Something similar going on with the hockey teams isn't it? You can buy the best players in the world, and then say Canada has the best team. hahahhahahha, how ironic
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| ILjo |
Mislam deka i dvajcata (Sunshine i Canmak) preteravte.. so ogled na toa deka ni eden ne e vo pravo, odnosno dvajcta samo za inat zborite.
Canmak, "the map argument" is just one of the examlas that education in Macedonia is more advanced, all up to high school. I came here 2 yrs ago with finished elementary school (8th grade), and I knew most of the material covered in grade 9, I've even learnt some of the things studied this year (grade 10), especially in 'science'. I can also rember last year when we were asked to write a list of all the countries that we could name - without looking at a map. Can you believe that there was a person who managed to name whole five countries? Oh yeah.. that was including Canada, USA, and Russia. The thing is that the education here is set such that you only develop skills only one field, which overall is not a 'good' thing. I mean you don't need to know lots of facts, but come on.. isn't it embaraseing not to know who Mozart was, or where Finland is..?
Oh, and it is rather stupid for Canada to do whatever America tells it to. "We" did the same thing in WWI and WWII, and Canada suffered (even though not a lot) on expences of a war that occured 'on the other side of the world'.
Mislam deka i dvajcata (Sunshine i Canmak) preteravte.. so ogled na toa deka ni eden ne e vo pravo, odnosno dvajcta samo za inat zborite.
Canmak, "the map argument" is just one of the examlas that education in Macedonia is more advanced, all up to high school. I came here 2 yrs ago with finished elementary school (8th grade), and I knew most of the material covered in grade 9, I've even learnt some of the things studied this year (grade 10), especially in 'science'. I can also rember last year when we were asked to write a list of all the countries that we could name - without looking at a map. Can you believe that there was a person who managed to name whole five countries? Oh yeah.. that was including Canada, USA, and Russia. The thing is that the education here is set such that you only develop skills only one field, which overall is not a 'good' thing. I mean you don't need to know lots of facts, but come on.. isn't it embaraseing not to know who Mozart was, or where Finland is..?
Oh, and it is rather stupid for Canada to do whatever America tells it to. "We" did the same thing in WWI and WWII, and Canada suffered (even though not a lot) on expences of a war that occured 'on the other side of the world'.
Sunshine i ti poveketo od toa sto go zboris, go zboris samo za inaet. Za skoluvanjeto do fakultet potpolno se slagam deka e mnogu polesno (kako sto kazav i gore), ama nemoj da mi kazuvas deka toa sto se uci vo osnovno vo Makedonija se uci tuka na fakultet. Se ucat matematiki sto do 4ta kaj nas ne se ni spomnuvaat, taka da ako si zavrsil pristojno, vo nasa pristojna gimnazija, ako se zapises na podobar fakultet tuka ke imas dosta problemi.
Isto taka mnogu Makedonci (sto ziveat vo Makedonija) ne se mnogu prosetani niz svetot, i ako pricinata e sosem razlicna - 'Kanagjanite' neznaat da ziveat, za razlika od Makedoncite od koj retko koj moze (finansiski) da si dozvoli da odi nekade daleku. Poveketo go imaat prosetano Balkanot, nekoj bil i do Turcija. A da napravis anketa, sigurno poveketo ke kazat deka ne bile vo Italija, Francija, Germanija, Anglija, Spanija, Avstrija, Avstralija, USA i Kanada, Kuba, ili nekoj popoznati tursticki mesta.
Eeee.. i nemoj da mi kazuvas deka si se preselil vo Kanada zasto vo Makedonija ti bilo dosadno.. Toa na nekoj sto ima 3 godini da mu go kazuvas, so ogled na toa deka zabavata vo Makedonija e 100x podobra (sekoj sto ke kaze obratno sam sebe se laze). Nego si dosol zasto ti se otvorila prilika da dojdes, pa pametno (verojatno) si ja iskoristil i si dosol da probas da najdes podobar zivot. Kazi mi sto ke pravese vo Makedonija? Da receme ke zavrsese elektro, i..? Rabota samo so kniska, a kakva zavisi od vladata.
Now, both of you, loosen up, and stop stubbornly replying proving what is better, as we all know that both countries have good and bad sides (as is the case for everything else).
Cheers
iljo |
| Sunshine |
quote:
Originally posted by ILjo
Mislam deka i dvajcata (Sunshine i Canmak) preteravte.. so ogled na toa deka ni eden ne e vo pravo, odnosno dvajcta samo za inat zborite.
Canmak, "the map argument" is just one of the examlas that education in Macedonia is more advanced, all up to high school. I came here 2 yrs ago with finished elementary school (8th grade), and I knew most of the material covered in grade 9, I've even learnt some of the things studied this year (grade 10), especially in 'science'. I can also rember last year when we were asked to write a list of all the countries that we could name - without looking at a map. Can you believe that there was a person who managed to name whole five countries? Oh yeah.. that was including Canada, USA, and Russia. The thing is that the education here is set such that you only develop skills only one field, which overall is not a 'good' thing. I mean you don't need to know lots of facts, but come on.. isn't it embaraseing not to know who Mozart was, or where Finland is..?
Oh, and it is rather stupid for Canada to do whatever America tells it to. "We" did the same thing in WWI and WWII, and Canada suffered (even though not a lot) on expences of a war that occured 'on the other side of the world'.
Sunshine i ti poveketo od toa sto go zboris, go zboris samo za inaet. Za skoluvanjeto do fakultet potpolno se slagam deka e mnogu polesno (kako sto kazav i gore), ama nemoj da mi kazuvas deka toa sto se uci vo osnovno vo Makedonija se uci tuka na fakultet. Se ucat matematiki sto do 4ta kaj nas ne se ni spomnuvaat, taka da ako si zavrsil pristojno, vo nasa pristojna gimnazija, ako se zapises na podobar fakultet tuka ke imas dosta problemi.
Isto taka mnogu Makedonci (sto ziveat vo Makedonija) ne se mnogu prosetani niz svetot, i ako pricinata e sosem razlicna - 'Kanagjanite' neznaat da ziveat, za razlika od Makedoncite od koj retko koj moze (finansiski) da si dozvoli da odi nekade daleku. Poveketo go imaat prosetano Balkanot, nekoj bil i do Turcija. A da napravis anketa, sigurno poveketo ke kazat deka ne bile vo Italija, Francija, Germanija, Anglija, Spanija, Avstrija, Avstralija, USA i Kanada, Kuba, ili nekoj popoznati tursticki mesta.
Eeee.. i nemoj da mi kazuvas deka si se preselil vo Kanada zasto vo Makedonija ti bilo dosadno.. Toa na nekoj sto ima 3 godini da mu go kazuvas, so ogled na toa deka zabavata vo Makedonija e 100x podobra (sekoj sto ke kaze obratno sam sebe se laze). Nego si dosol zasto ti se otvorila prilika da dojdes, pa pametno (verojatno) si ja iskoristil i si dosol da probas da najdes podobar zivot. Kazi mi sto ke pravese vo Makedonija? Da receme ke zavrsese elektro, i..? Rabota samo so kniska, a kakva zavisi od vladata.
Now, both of you, loosen up, and stop stubbornly replying proving what is better, as we all know that both countries have good and bad sides (as is the case for everything else).
Cheers
iljo
Iljo, jas nemam zashto da zboram od inat. Mene vo Makedonija voopshto ne mi beshe losho, imav se shto sakav, pravev se shto sakav i voopshto ne barav izlez. Manje vishe shto me teraa da odam. Koj misleshe togash na podobar zhivot, tato nosi-mama mesi, super mi beshe.
Nesakam da zvucham prepotentno, ali da ostanev vo Makedonija tato (bez knishka) kje mi najdeshe rabota i jas pak kje zhiveev dobro. Dal gospod, cela familija mi zhivee vo Makedonija, fala bogu ne gladuvaat. Ne rekov deka dojdov zatoa shto mi bil dosaden nokjniot ili zabavniot zhivot, naprotiv ostaviv mnogu lugje koi mi znachea, ali kazhi mi koga kje go videv svetov ako ne na 17 godini. Na 30 so familija i deca??? Bev niz Evropa, otidov za Amerika, dojdov vo Kanada, i da mi se ukazhe utre prilika kje se selam vo Afrika.
Kako shto rekov, jas voopshto ne se zhalam na zhivotov vo Kanada. Kako shto mu spomnav i na Canmak radi site debili ovde shto neznaele da zavrshat shkolo, a rodeni se vo Kanada, jas deneska sedam vo kancelarija i se zezam na internet, a dobro me plakjaat. Kanagjanka od 50 godini koja raboti so mene sama pochna da mi muabeti deka ja boli kako imigrantive tuka se posposobni da se shkoluvaat i da zarabotuvaat povekje od tukashnive. Normalno dodeka ne i objasniv deka pravi muabet so imigrant koj e vchera dojden. Talking to the wrong person! [}:)]
Jas nikade ne rekov deka Makedonija treba da bide prva na lista pred Kanada, mejutoa stojam do toa deka Kanagjanive se dushevno siromashen narod bez common knowledge.
Jas uchev sredno ekonomsko vo Makedonija, a vo Kanadava smetkovodstvo i statistika uchev na fax. I toa beshe smetkovodstvo i statistika 101 (Accounting for dummies). Na fax mene tuka mi objasnuvaat deka postoi aktiva i pasiva hahahahahah, smeshnooo.
Da se vratime nazad. Sredno shkolo...matematika-geometrija, se objasnuva shto e otsechka. Ejjj otsechka, pa koga ne me drmna shlog togash nema nikogash. Chetvrta godina sredno, nekoj da treba da ti objasni deka prava linija so dve tochki na sekoj kraj e otsechka. I ushte kje mi kazhat deka jas treba da odam na advanced mathematics da reshavam ravenki so 3 nepoznati...
Dovolno beshe shto od klas so 117 uchenici, eden imigrant beshe sposoben da zavrshi angliski so 100%. Ejjj eden edini vo cela generacija. I posle nekoj kje mi objasnuva deka spelling ne e brain surgery za ovie tuka. Ma sve e kazhano. Ne si uchel sredno vo Makedonija, nema ni da znaesh kako e.
Gi vidov moite vrsnici na zapadov vo sredno shkolo, osven istorija, angliski i matematika shto bea obavezni zemaa chasovi po Shienje, Keramika, Semejni raboti, Kuvanje i taka nataka. E aj sega sporedi gi ovie so Statistika, Politichka Ekonomija, Smetkovodstvo, Ekonomika, Germanski jazik, Sociologija i ushte red drugi shto gi uchime vo sredno.
Zashto seushte tuka vo koledzive se nudat ESL chasovi na Kanagjani. Pa koj im e na niv prv jazik ako odat na chasovi za angliski kako vtor jazik. Ili toa e za crncive shto gi trenjiraat basket da igraat, pa aj nekako i niz koledz da gi proteraat.
Istorija morav da im predavam na chasovi, zatoa shto profesorot pokushavashe da mi dokazhe deka 80% od populacijata vo Makedonija se Albanci, a za drugite delovi od svetot i da ne zboram shto se iznaslushav. Jugoslavija e mesto vo Izrael i slichni raboti. Jas za tie lugje nemozham da imam pozitivno mislenje, lugje ogranicheni...kako zauzdani konji, samo pravo - ni levo ni desno.
Ne go smetam eden chovek za pameten ako zavrshil neshto i se shto znae vo zhivotot e toa shto nauchil vo shkolo.
Poentata mi beshe vnatreshnoto bogatstvo na eden chovek. Ne zboram deka nie sme najpametni, megjutoa zhalno e da gi gledash mladive shto sedat na ulici i baraat spare change, a uslovi im se dadeni na posluzhavnik so samoto toa shto se rodeni tuka. Nashine vo Makedonija kje se potepaat da odat na fax, a znaat deka nema da najdat rabota po struka, ama odat. Molat profesori, chekaat za eden potpis, plakjaat debeli pari za onoj standard vo Makedonija za na kraj da vidat kako kje bide raspolozhen profesorot na ispit. Ovie tuka, so mozhnost za chasovi preku den, chasovi navecher, chasovi za vikend, chasovi na internet, profesori dostapni 24/7 po telefon, fax, e/mail i ushte shto ne, i pak nishto da napravat od sebe. Ne daj bozhe ne chini da se zbori odnapred, ama dete da mi e koski kje mu iskrsham. Ako se ponasha kako invalid, togash i neka bide invalid.
Jasno mi e deka lugje kako Canmak nema da me razberat, jas kazhav shto imav, a da se dokazhuvam do besvest nemam namera. |
| zodu |
Sunshine e potpolno vo pravo. Jas doduse nikogas ne sum bil vo Amerika i nema ni da otidam, od prosta pricina sto smetam deka taa zemja ne zasluzila ni Cent da dobie od mene i dosta zla mi ima storeno i mene i na mojot narod. Ama imav prilika da sretnam Amerikanci tuka vo Vienna. Cist primer" Jas so drugar mi vo kafic i upoznavame Amerikanec i on go prasuva Drugarov od kade e i ovaj mu Vika -Sarajevo. A Amerov-aaaaaaaaa da znam tamu bese vojna. A na toa mu vika drugarov, tocno, ama tamu bea i zimskite olimpisti igri ama na toa ne se sekavas, bitno e deka se sekavas na vojnata." I sto jas sega treba da ocekuvam od eden narod koj prepoznava koe mesto kade e po toa dali bila vojna tamu ili ne. Kako togas da ocekuvam od toj narod da podrzi nekoja druga politika sem politika na vojuvanje. Oni site odat so filozofijata vojuvaj da bi go zapoznaes svetot. Od kade mu pravo na edna Amerika da izigrava svetski zandar. Koj i go dade toa pravo. Pa sega ke go razoruzuvame Irak, a ako ne saka da se razoruza so oruzje ke go naterame. Koj ke ja razoruza Amerika. Zalosno e toa sto se sluci na 11. septemvri, ama zarem ne bese dovolno upozoruvanje da ne cackat ponataka.Sto im treba sega da se najdat pak nekoj ludaci i da lupat od grad vo grad so drugi avioni ili? Najlesno e da se manipulira so prost narod, zatoa e i skolstvoto takvo. Ucime, a u stvari nisto ne znaeme, pa sto ke ni kazat na televizija taka e i odime napret so prosti glavi. |
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Sunshine se slagam so tebe i bash si objasnila kako shto navistina i bash bi sakala da dodadam eden primer. Edna moja drugarka ucheshe isto vo Amerika i koga mi kaza deka "Sobiranje i odzemanje na dropki" uchele vo chetvrta godina sredno.[:0] jas toa go uchev vo petto odelenie, a sega se uchi vo vtoro.
Povekje nemam shto da dodadam so ogled na toa deka sunshine "razglobi" se kako shto e. |
| OooOo |
Poznanichka moja, internacionalen student beshe suspendirana od shkolo na 2 nedeli, zatoa shto na profesorot po istorija mu rekla deka shiri lazhgi deka Jugoslavija bila chlenka na NATO. Stignala rabotata do dekanot, pa srekja shto na internet nashle deka Jugoslavija bila chlenka na nevrzanite, a ne na NATO kako shto on tvrdel. Posle toa profesorot javno se izvinuval.
free speech? democracy? nahhhhhhhh just brainwashing
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| melpomena |
Abe ne sakam da zboram...
Ali ponedelnikov na rabota Amerikanecov "moj" me precheka shokiran, zbunet...
Sakale so zena mu da odat vo Bond Stil (Kosovo) i normalno na granica mu pobarale registracija za kolata i osiguruvanje. I tipov si pokazal "official ID" shto se vadat kaj nas vo Ministerstvo za Nadvoreshni za stranci. Normalno ne zavrshil rabota. I sega mi vika: Shto kje mi e mene ovaa lichna karta koga za nishto ne mi sluzi". Jas mu vikam: Dobro vo Amerika koga kje te zastane policija i ti bara "insurance", ti davash lichna karta?
Dali mislat deka vo Uganda doshle, ili ne izlegle nadvor od drzavata pa ne znaat kako da se ponashaat, mene stvarno ne mi e jasno?
p.s. Ova e samo edna od mnogute anegdoti shto mi se sluchuvaat sekoj den... |
| Sunshine |
Melpomena ti izgleda go promashi postot za avstralijanecot koj ne go pushtile da vleze vo Makedonija iako im objasnil na granica deka roditelite mu se makedonci, a on patuva so avstraliski pasosh i bez viza za mk.[:0]
Primeri 1001, ama stvarno mislat deka vo Makedonija rabotive se sreduvaat na "zhimi majka".
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| ILjo |
Sunshine se slagam so tebe.. mislam i ja nemozam (a ne ni sakam) tolku da ja sakam kanadava.. sepak ni 2 godini ne sum tuka, i odvaj cekam da dojde leto da projdam nekoj mesec u Mk.. Sepak, skolstvoto i ne e tolku naivno, barem ne kaj mene. Momentalno matematika se uci nesto vo vrska so kvadratni ravenki (moze toa bi se ucelo vo 1va vo Makedonija), a ne za otsecki i dropki. Isto taka tocno e deka ne sum ucel sredno vo Skopje, ali za toa brat mi ucel, pa kolku tolku od komentari znam deka na fakultet ("Kompjuterski Nauki :)") ne ucat mnogu prosti raboti, odnosno raboti so koj porano se nema sretnato porano.. znam edno od tie bese "Verojatnost" (Probability).
Pozdrav..
iljo |
| Whitebaby |
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| fio |
kaj ni e sea YU pasoshot :) |
| OooOo |
kade e canmak ??? Go nema nikade [;)]
Masovne antiratne demonstracije nisu pokolebale Busha
Ameriиki predsednik George Bush kaћe da nije pokoleban masovnim antiratnim protestima љirom sveta u svojoj nameri da napadne Irak. On je dodao da SAD me mora imati rezoluciju UN-a za vojnu akciju i da se ne slaћe sa onima koji smatraju da Sadam Husein nije pretnja miru i ponovio spremnost da predvodi koaliciju onih koji su spremni da razoruћaju iraиki reћim. Nekoliko ambasadora u UN-u izrazilo je zabrinutost zbog moguжeg rata protiv Iraka, na otvorenom sastanku u New Yorku za sve drћave иlanice UN-a. Mnogi smatraju da bi inspektorima UN-a trebalo dati viљe vremena. Predstavnik Irana, drћave koja je ratovala sa Irakom tokom 80-tih, upozorio je da bi vojna akcija samo mogla da koristi ekstremistima.
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| slasa |
Sega ima eden Biladin ! A posle moze da se pojavat iljada i eden |
| Canmak |
OooOo I am still here...and now to get to the Iraq point.
Here is an article that I found:
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US to punish German 'treachery'
Peter Beaumont, David Roseand Paul Beaver
Sunday February 16, 2003
The Observer
America is to punish Germany for leading international opposition to a war against Iraq. The US will withdraw all its troops and bases from there and end military and industrial co-operation between the two countries - moves that could cost the Germans billions of euros.
The plan - discussed by Pentagon officials and military chiefs last week on the orders of Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld - is designed 'to harm' the German economy to make an example of the country for what US hawks see as Chancellor Gerhard Schrцder's 'treachery'.
The hawks believe that making an example of Germany will force other countries heavily dependent on US trade to think twice about standing up to America in future.
This follows weeks of increasingly angry exchanges between Rumsfeld and Germany, in which at one point he taunted Germany and France for being an irrelevant part of 'old Europe'.
Now Rumsfeld has decided to go further by unilaterally imposing the Pentagon's sanctions on a country already in the throes of economic problems.
'We are doing this for one reason only: to harm the German economy,' one source told The Observer last week.
'Our troops contribute many millions of dollars. Why should we continue to support a country which has treated Nato and the protection we provided for decades with such incredible contempt?'
Another Pentagon source said: 'The aim is to hit German trade and commerce. It is not just about taking out the troops and equipment; it is also about cancelling commercial contracts and defence-related arrangements.'
The Pentagon plan - and the language expressed by officials close to Rumsfeld - has horrified State Department officials, who believe that bullying other countries to follow the US line will further exacerbate anti-Americanism and alienate those European countries that might support a United Nations resolution authorising a war.
German industry earns billions of euros every year from supporting the US Army Europe which, although reduced from its Cold War heights, still totals 42,000 troops and 785 tanks - almost three times as many as the British Army owns. Many of these soldiers and their fighting equipment, including Apache helicopters, have already been sent to the Gulf.
German industry is heavily involved in supporting the US presence. Among the defence companies which stand to lose out are missile-maker Diehl, aerospace and defence giant EADS Deutschland, armaments maker Rheinmetall and vehicle maker Krauss-Maffei Wegmann.
There is also a US Air Force contingent of about 15,000 service people with bases at Bitburg, Frankfurt-am-Main and neighbouring Ramstein, where the commander doubles as part of the Nato command. This force includes nearly 60 F-16 fighter-bombers and a squadron of A-10 tank-buster aircraft.
Rumsfeld and his staff have made no attempt to hide their fury at Schrцder's 'treachery and ineptitude' over Iraq. Last week Schrцder leaked to reporters a Franco-German plan for avoiding war by increasing the number of UN weapons inspectors before informing his American counterparts.
'After this, Germany is finished as a serious power,' one of the sources added. 'This is simply not the way to conduct diplomacy at a moment of international crisis.' One diplomatic source said Rumsfeld was 'furious at Germany. He is a bruiser and it looks as though he means to do it'.
Under these plans, the US would move its troops in Europe eastwards to countries such as Poland, the Czech Republic and the Baltic states, all of which have strongly supported America's line against Saddam Hussein. It is likely that the overall size of the deployment would be reduced, as the US military changes its priorities for a long-term and disparate engagement with international terrorism.
Although Rumsfeld had already been considering a redeployment of US troops around the world after a war in Iraq to save money and respond to new threats, the plans now under consideration go far beyond what had been discussed.
It is likely that future years will see a sharp increase in the proportion of special forces troops able to deploy rapidly across the globe.
Germany would suffer considerable financial loss if US forces were withdrawn from the country. The bases provide jobs for local people as everything from administrators to cleaners, and are huge customers for dairy products and bread.
Special report
Germany
It is funny after these threats were made by the Americans....Nato agreed to send troops into Turkey. The EU the following day sent a message out to Iraq stating that it must follow the UN resolutions or face the consequences. How the might American dollar works.
Now lets go to another article that I happened to get off a site where they are talking about Iraq as well.....lets see how France treats its European Counter parts:
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February 19, 2003
Chirac Scolding Angers Nations That Back U.S.
By CRAIG S. SMITH
RUSSELS, Feb. 18 — "New Europe" barked back at "old Europe" today, deepening the continental rift over Iraq after President Jacques Chirac of France told Central and Eastern European countries to keep their views on Iraq to themselves or risk losing their chance to join the European Union.
"We thought we were preparing for war with Saddam Hussein and not Jacques Chirac," said Alexandr Vondra, deputy foreign minister of the Czech Republic, one of the European Union applicants that have drawn French ire by openly supporting the United States and Britain in the Iraqi crisis. Mr. Vondra said his country and its immediate neighbors "definitely cannot remain silent," as Mr. Chirac advised on Monday.
The French president, in an unusually emotional outburst in Brussels after the European Union meeting on Monday about Iraq, derided the Central and Eastern European countries that have signed letters expressing their support for the American policy on Iraq for being "badly brought up," and having missed "an opportunity to keep quiet."
All 13 candidates today endorsed the joint declaration on Iraq issued on Monday by the 15 European leaders, warning Saddam Hussein that he had "one last chance" to disarm and vowing to "avoid new lines of division" over European policy on Iraq.
But divisions exist. The war of words highlighted not only disagreement over Iraq, but also France's struggle for dominance in European affairs in the face of an enlarging European Union whose incoming members are historically beholden to the United States.
France has long been concerned that the former Communist countries, indebted to the United States for liberation from Soviet domination in the cold war, would turn out to be a sort of Trojan horse bringing America's influence into the union.
"For France, the European Union is a way for it to remain a big power in the world because it can use Europe to act and to have a certain influence in world affairs that it can't have anymore on its own," said Gilles Lepesant, a French expert on European identity and Eastern Europe. France fears that expanding the European Union membership will erode its influence and weaken Europe's position as a potential counterweight to American power.
The broader European Union membership is also more likely to produce a decentralized organization that leaves much power with national governments, rather than the more centralized, cohesive union favored by France and Germany.
The tension across Europe has grown steadily as Central and Eastern European countries have sided with the United States over how to resolve the Iraq crisis. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld last month chastised France and Germany for opposing the United States, calling them "old Europe," out of step with the "new Europe" made up of former Soviet bloc countries.
While France this month recalled its gratitude to the United States for liberation from Germany more than half a century ago, the gratitude of former Communist states toward Washington seems far more immediate and, for now, binding. Even once rock-solid bonds like that between Germany and the United States have been undermined in recent months.
Andrzej Kapiszewski, professor of sociology and political science at Krakow University in Poland, recalled that even under communism, America remained a benevolent presence. "I'm from Krakow, and practically every single person had some relative in the United States," Mr. Kapiszewski said.
There is little sense of obligation to Western Europe, though, and some irritation at the long, difficult negotiations insisted on by Western Europe for membership of the European Union.
The East-West European divide broke into the open when eight European leaders, including the European Union candidates Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic, signed a letter of support for Washington's position in January. That letter was followed by another signed by 10 more countries, including seven candidates for the European Union.
The letters reinforced widespread suspicion in France that the poorer European countries are primarily attracted to European Union membership for economic reasons while their political allegiance will remain with Washington.
"Europe is not a cash register," warned Dominique de Villepin, the French foreign minister, on Sunday.
In his comments on Monday, Mr. Chirac went on to suggest that opposing France and Germany could hurt candidates for European Union membership. He warned, in particular, that Romania and Bulgaria, the poorest of the thirteen candidates and the two that are still negotiating to enter the bloc in 2007, "could hardly find a better way" of reducing their chances for membership by speaking up against France.
The French defense minister, Michele Alliot-Marie, echoed Mr. Chirac in Warsaw today, telling her hosts that "it was better to keep silent when you don't know what's going on."
The comments were rejected across Central and Eastern Europe on Tuesday, suggesting that France will face serious challenges in exerting its influence over an expanded European Union.
"France has a right to its opinion, and Poland has the right to decide what is good for it," said Adam Rotfeld, deputy foreign minister of Poland, the largest of the candidates for the union. "France should respect that."
Poland recently angered many European Union members by choosing Lockheed Martin F-16 fighter jets over French and Anglo-Swedish rivals.
The tensions between Poland and France are particularly notable because the two countries have traditionally been close. But President Bush is clearly regarded, at least for now, as a better friend to the Poles than President Chirac.
Charles Gati, a professor in European Studies at the School of Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins University, said nationalist sentiment in countries that are candidates for the European Union could now rise.
"This will strengthen nationalist arguments," Mr. Gati said. "They will say the West is not only selfish but divided, and we can't count on it."
Sorin Ionita, director of the Romanian Academic Society, a leading think tank in Bucharest, said: "If France wants to lose all the sympathy it has in the East, this is the way to do it, to say you little guys will have to listen to us forever. You don't hear this kind of language from the United States."
Prime Minister Tony Blair of Britain, who initiated one of the controversial letters supporting Washington, insisted today that the candidate countries should not be silenced.
"They have as much right to speak up as Great Britain or France or any other member of the European Union today," Mr. Blair said.
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The Americans just basically told the Germans we will move our troops out and destroy your economy.....a right that America has since they are American troops. We all know what Americas agenda is behind this
Now the French though threaten these Countries that they will not be in the EU for voicing there opinions on the war......what is Frances agenda for this.....maybe its the billions of dollars that they have in deals with Saddam.
Now as to the Anti-War protesters throught out the world. Why don't these people protest Saddams rule. Supporting Saddam to me is like supporting Hitler....
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That there are innocent people that were killed by a Gas Attack ordered by Saddam, ....these victims were killed for being Kurdish and not agreeing with Saddams rule.
Now all these people that protested.....why didn't they protest this? Why do they back a man that uses these kinds of weapons against people intentionally.
People are so anti-American that its sick....yet every time there is a problem in the world, the world goes to America for help either for military or monetary aid.
My personal opinion is that the Coalition of the willing should bomb the hell out of Saddam and he should be charged with crimes against humanity and be placed next to another evil man that some of you all love that goes by the name Slobodan.
The last gulf war ended when Saddam agreed to disarm...but instead he kicked out the UN inspectors and hid his weapons of mass destruction. He broke the agreement that ended the first gulf war and now he must suffer the consequences for his actions.
Sure I hope that it goes through the UN and that a peacefull resolution is found, but it doesn't look that way and well I believe force is needed in order to achieve those goals |
| mafisKumA |
When I collected my 7 year old son from school yesterday he said and I quote “I know what NATO stands for” when I asked him what does it stand for, he’s reply was “New American Terrorist Organisation” [:(][:(!][:(][:(!][:(]
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| fio |
e dobro de, za razlika od drugite merinashi, sin ti bar e pameten i gi konta rabotite :) |
| yURI |
http://www.bagra.net.mk/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=897&mode=nested&order=2&thold=0 |
| fumfudge |
Rabotite vo svetot odat povekje na crno-belo otkolku zlatno zholto, a drugarche?
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| yURI |
quote:
Originally posted by fumfudge
Rabotite vo svetot odat povekje na crno-belo otkolku zlatno zholto, a drugarche?
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| zodu |
quote:
Originally posted by Canmak
The last gulf war ended when Saddam agreed to disarm...but instead he kicked out the UN inspectors and hid his weapons of mass destruction. He broke the agreement that ended the first gulf war and now he must suffer the consequences for his actions.
Sure I hope that it goes through the UN and that a peacefull resolution is found, but it doesn't look that way and well I believe force is needed in order to achieve those goals
Ke bese glupavo da go kopirav celoto pismo, pa zato go zedov samo posledniov del.
Pa dobro be covek zarem ne ti e jasno vo glavata deka celava rabota e nastavok na Tatko Bush. On ne uspea da go sredi Sadam pa edvaj doceka Bush familijata da dojde ponovo na vlast i da prodolzi tamu kade sto zastanala.
Zarem ne ti e jasno veke ednas deka ako je vratis bliskata istorija na Amerika nazat ke vides deka sekoja petta godina negde naogaa racka da vojuvaat i da ubivaat luge.Pa toa e edna bolna nacija koja ako ne odi negde da ubiva togas odma pocnuva megusebe da se sotira sto po ucilistata, sto na ostanati javni mesta.
Nakrajot na kraevite, go boli Bush onaa rabota za Sadam i za sostojbata vo Irak i dali lugeto tamu loso ziveat ili ne.Naftata mu e nego potrebna zatoa i go pravi seto ova.
Pa ajde kazi mi ti sega kolku zivoti e potrebno za litar nafta.Zarem zasluzuva bilo sto da se plaka so zivoti.Od druga strana ova ne e sirot Vietnam ili Srbija pa ke bombardiram malku ke ubivam malku pa posle toa se ke bide vo red. Site dobro znaeme koi se mislimanite i kolku se fanaticni i na sto se sve spremni.Pa zarem na Amerika ne i bese malku 11. Septemvri da svati deka ne treba da se igra i da cacka kade sto ne i e mesto ili i treba sega 11.Septemvri po cela Amerika i sekoj den, i ne samo tamu, tuku se obiduva i ostanatiot svet da go vovlece vo svoite lajna koji gi sere (izvinete na izrazov). I koj ne saka da igra kako sto Amerika svire ako ne moze da go napadne odma preti deka ekonomski ke go uniste,a ne svaka deka ako istata taa EU poludi pa kaze koj te sisa i nie nema da sorabotuvame so vas deka korenja ke pocnat po Amerika da jadat.Evropa e golema i ima kade da vrsi uvoz i izvoz, kade ke go pravi toa Amerika ako site i svrtat grb. Uostalom ako tolku zapnala da go napadne Irak, pa sto ne go napaga , sto bara podrska od drugite ako e veke tolku jaka kako sto se fali.Neka napaga i neka krsi glava, pa posle neka snesuva sama posledici , a ne da go mesa celiot svet vo nivnite valkani raboti.
Od druga strana sekoja mala zemjicka na svetov ima moznost da proizvede Boevo oruzje, samo i treba edna mala labaratorija i ete ti go.Sto znaci toa deka posle irak ke odi po red vo svetot pa segde ke simnuva po eden Sadam ili Milisevic. Uostalom sto ja briga amerika kako e vo nekoja druga zemja, isto kako sto tebe ne ti e gajle kako e kaj tvoite komsii taka i niv ne treba da gi interesira kako e vo Irak. A ako sakas da znaes, eden moj dobar prijatel bese pred godina dena vo Bagdad i tie slikite sto gi zakazi na Pollov zakaci si gi doma vo sobata oti nemat veze so relnosta.Coekot bese i ziv e svedok deka lugeto tamu ziveat kako i site drugi.Doduse so teskotii, ama tie teskotii ne se ot toa sto im e Sadam na vlas tuku samo radi toa sto istata Amerika terajki go ostanatiot svet ima lupnaa sankcii pa zatoa e loso.Ni vo Jugoslavia ne se ziveese loso dodeka ne lupnaa sankcii pa im bese Milosevic kriv.Se nadevam deka so bozja pomos ovaa sranje sto ni go sprema Amerika ke se zavrsi brzo i bezbolno isto kako sto se zavrsi i so bombardiranjeto na Srbija, ama nazalost ne mi izgleda deka ke bide taka, A ako bide samo prasuvam
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| mafisKumA |
Bush ne go pobedi presedatelstvoto FAIR and SQUARE
Stupid White Men (This is a great book)
by Michael Moore
HarperCollins Publishers, Inc.
Excerpt:
Chapter One
A Very American Coup
The following message was intercepted by U.N. forces on 9/1/01, at 0600 hours, from somewhere within the North American continent:
I am a citizen of the United States of America. Our government has been overthrown. Our elected President has been exiled. Old white men wielding martinis and wearing dickies have occupied our nation's capital.
We are under siege. We are the United States Government-in-Exile.
Our numbers are not insignificant. There are over 154 million adults among us, and 80 million children. That's 234 million people who did not vote for, and are not represented by, the regime that has placed itself in power.
Al Gore is the elected President of the United States. He received 539,898 more votes than George W. Bush. But he does not sit tonight in the Oval Office. Instead our elected President roams the country without purpose or mission, surfacing only to lecture college students and replenish his stash of Little Debbie's Snack Cakes.
Al Gore won. Al Gore, President-in-Exile. Long live El Presidente Albertooooooo Gorrrrrrrrrrre!
So who, then, is the man that now occupies 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue? I'll tell you who:
He is George W. Bush, "President" of the United States. The Thief-in-Chief.
It used to be that politicians would wait until they were in office before they became crooks. This one came prepackaged. Now he is a trespasser on federal land, a squatter in the OvalOffice. If I told you this was Guatemala, you'd believe it in a heartbeat, no matter what your political stripe. But because this coup was wrapped in an American flag, delivered in your choice of red, white, or blue, those responsible believe they're going to get away with it.
That's why, on behalf of 234 million Americans held hostage, I have requested that NATO do what it did in Bosnia and Kosovo, what America did in Haiti, what Lee Marvin did in The Dirty Dozen:
Send in the Marines! Launch the SCUD missiles! Bring us the head of Antonin Scalia!
I have sent a personal request to U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan to hear our plea. We are no longer able to govern ourselves or to hold free and fair elections. We need U.N. observers, U.N. troops, U.N. resolutions!
Dammit, we need Jimmy Carter!
We are now finally no better than a backwater banana republic. We are asking ourselves why any of us should bother to get up in the morning to work our asses off to produce goods and services that only serve to make the junta and its cohorts in Corporate America (a separate, autonomous fiefdom within the United States that has been allowed to run on its own for some time) even richer. Why should we pay our taxes to finance their coup? Can we ever again send our sons off into battle to give their lives defending "our way of life" — when all that really means is the lifestyle of the gray old men holed up in the headquarters they seized by the Potomac?
Oh JesusMaryAndJoseph, I can't take it! Somebody pass me the universal remote! I need to switch back to the fairy tale that I was a citizen in a democracy with an inalienable right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of Happy Meals. The story I was told as a child said that I mattered, that I was equal to every one of my fellow citizens — and that not a single one of us was to be treated differently or unfairly, that no one was to wield power over others without their consent. The will of the people. America the Beautiful. Land that I love. Twilight's...last...gleaming. Oh, say, can you see — are the Belgian peacekeepers on their way? Hurry!
The coup began long before the shenanigans on Election Day 2000. In the summer of 1999 Katherine Harris, an honorary Stupid White Man who was both George W. Bush's presidential campaign cochairwoman and the Florida secretary of state in charge of elections, paid $4 million to Database Technologies to go through Florida's voter rolls and remove anyone "suspected" of being a former felon. She did so with the blessing of the governor of Florida, George W.'s brother Jeb Bush — whose own wife was caught by immigration officials trying to sneak $19,000 worth of jewelry into the country without declaring and paying tax on it...a felony in its own right. But hey, this is America. We don't prosecute felons if they're rich or married to a governing Bush.
The law states that ex-felons cannot vote in Florida. And sadly (though I'm confident that Florida's justice system was always unimpeachably fair), that means 31 percent of all black men in Florida are prohibited from voting because they have a felony on their record. Harris and Bush knew that removing the names of ex-felons from the voter rolls would keep thousands of black citizens out of the voting booth.
Black Floridians, overwhelmingly, are Democrats — and sure enough, Al Gore received the votes of more than 90 percent of them on November 7, 2000.
That is, 90 percent of those who were allowed to vote.
In what appears to be a mass fraud committed by the state of Florida, Bush, Harris, and company not only removed thousands of black felons from the rolls, they also removed thousands of black citizens who had never committed a crime in their lives — along with thousands of eligible voters who had committed only misdemeanors.
How did this happen? Harris's office told Database — a firm with strong Republican ties — to cast as wide a net as possible to get rid of these voters. Her minions instructed the company to include even people with "similar" names to those of the actual felons.
To find out more about this book (which includes more of this chapter):
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Down & Dirty: The Plot to Steal the Presidency by Jake Tapper
July 8, 2001
This is a depressing book. It manages to indict Al Gore, George Bush, both major political parties, lawyers, judges, political professionals, the media - and the reader. And while it does present a detailed picture of the circus - maybe professional wrestling would be a closer analogy - that took place in Florida and spread to Washington in the aftermath of the 2000 election, its efforts to remain neutral lead to a pseudophilosophical cop out of a conclusion: "we're all to blame...."
Chronologically, Down & Dirty covers events from Election Day through the Supreme Court decision on December 12. Geographically it focuses on Florida, but includes accounts from Austin, Nashville, Washington, and elsewhere. As comprehensive as this is, one has the feeling that there was enough material for a book twice as long. In fitting the material to a manageable length the narrative has suffered a bit, and some continuity is occasionally lost from chapter to chapter. The book may not work as an historical account, but for political junkies or others who are already familiar with the denouement of the 2000 presidential election, it offers an intriguing and sometimes appalling "insider's" view of the events that led to the Supreme Court of the United States (affectionately referred to as SCOTUS) awarding the presidency to George W. Bush.
The subtitle The Plot to Steal the Presidency is somewhat misleading, in that Tapper never really exposes a "plot." Political demonstrations, legal maneuvering, attempts at manipulating press coverage and public opinion were coordinated by both campaigns. Two facts, however, come the closest to qualifying as a plot or conspiracy.
The first is that Bush's cousin, John Ellis, was, as Tapper says, "unbelievably put in charge of calling election results for Fox News Channel." In July of 1999 Ellis wrote an op-ed piece for the Boston Globe in which he announced that he would not write any more political columns.
I am loyal to my cousin, Governor George Bush of Texas. I put that loyalty ahead of my loyalty to anyone else outside my immediate family. That being the case, it is not possible for me to continue writing columns about the 2000 presidential campaign. A columnist's allegiance must be to the reader. This is an annoying and pretentious thing that journalists say, but it is, in fact, true. Columns depend upon trust…. There is no way for you to know if I am telling you the truth about George W. Bush's presidential campaign because in my case, my loyalty goes to him and not to you.
Yet this was the man Fox News designated to head their election decision team, where he would have the responsibility of "calling" states for one candidate or the other.
At 7:52pm on election night, Fox News called Florida for Gore, but only after the three other networks had already done so. Florida Governor Jeb (an acronym for John Ellis Bush) calls cousin John, who confirms that despite polls open on the Florida panhandle, in the Central time zone, Gore seems poised to win the state. All the networks, including Fox, rely on data from the Voter News Service, an independent organization formed in 1990 so the networks didn't have to maintain duplicate facilities. Tapper compares VNS to a motor vehicle bureau in terms of efficiency and competence. The numbers on which the networks based calling Florida for Gore included totals for some counties that exceed the number of voters, underestimates of absentee ballots, bad samples from Miami, and errors from exit polls. A little over six hours later, VNS numbers are skewed in the other direction. With 97% of Florida precincts reporting, VNS's estimate of votes outstanding is off by nearly 300,000. That includes about 80,000 votes in Palm Beach County, which has gone heavily for Gore. Aware of these details or not, Ellis calls Florida for Bush at 2:17am.
An hour later Ellis tells Jeb that Florida is once again too close to call. In the interim, Gore has already called Bush to concede. When Gore calls a second time to retract the concession, Bush has already begun a charade that some would say continues into the present. He pretends that he doesn't know the state is still in play, telling Gore that the networks are right. This is the genesis of the myth that will be promulgated to the American people for the next months: that Bush won "definitively, at the moment that his cousin called the election for him for Fox News Channel."
The second candidate for conspiracy concerns absentee ballots. The Republicans got considerable public relations mileage from the revelation of a memo from Gore attorney Mark Herron outlining various ways in which absentee ballots could be disqualified. Although there was some expectation that ballots from Americans living in Israel would likely favor Gore, the majority of Florida absentee ballots are from military personnel who were expected to favor Bush. (This is course is ironic given Bush's history of draft dodging by way of the Texas Air National Guard.) Republicans obtained the memo and were able to exploit the conflict between the Gore campaign calling for every vote to be counted while planning ways to disqualify military absentee ballots.
Approximately 23,000 overseas absentee ballots were mailed from Florida, and more than half were returned by Election Day. By Monday, November 13, another 400 ballots were received. By the end of the week, however, that number grew to nearly 4,000. Tapper reports that "[a]ccording to a knowledgeable Republican operative," on or about November 11, Warren Tompkins, who had engineered the smear campaign against John McCain during the Republican primary in South Carolina, organized a conference call with Republican operatives throughout the state. One of the topics reportedly discussed was "having political operatives abroad and near military bases encourage certain soldiers who had registered to vote - but hadn't yet done so - to fill out their ballots and send them in." By examining computerized voter registration information the Republicans were able to identify which military personnel were Democrat, Republican, black, white, etc., and could then target those who were likely to favor their candidate. The plan was to get the votes sent in, and fight about the postmarks later, knowing that it would be a political and public relations challenge for the Gore team to argue that military ballots should be disqualified. Clearly this coordinated activity by the Republicans would have been illegal. Tapper concedes that without a "major law-enforcement investigation into this matter - where phone record can be subpoenaed, and operatives can be threatened with perjury if the fail to tell the whole truth," we may never learn if and how this plan was executed, and its effect, if any, on the election outcome.
Tapper is merciless in pointing out misrepresentations and outright lies by both sides. The overriding Republican myth, of course, is that Bush won definitively the moment Fox News called Florida for him. But the media and the country were presented with a myriad of lesser untruths from both sides. For instance, Gore lawyer Kendall Coffey claimed in an early post-election news conference that the infamous "butterfly" ballot was illegal. "The law requires a simple linear listing so that the boxes are punched in the same order…." According to Tapper the cited section of Florida law didn't apply, and the relevant section allowed squares "in front of or in back of the names of candidates." In perhaps a more flagrant disregard for the truth, Bush spokesman (and now Press Secretary) Ari Fleischer announced, "Palm Beach County is a Pat Buchanan stronghold," in attempting to explain why Buchanan received more than 3,400 votes there. Palm Beach Reform Party chairman Jim Cunningham reacted, "They can say that because they would like to believe that." Tapper observes, "In any other business, liars are called liars. There are penalties for perjury in the law, fines for inaccurate claims in advertising, libel laws against journalists and publishers. But many political spokespeople take to lies like mutts to kibble, knowing that their bosses are rarely held accountable for such lies." And the lies don't end with the campaign. Following Bush's inauguration, "[i]t took new White House spokesman Tucker Eskew only a matter of seconds before he was caught in a lie so egregious he was slammed by both the National Review and the Wall Street Journal. Eskew "…told reporters that Bush's nominee for labor secretary, Linda Chavez, didn't know that a woman who had stayed at her home was an illegal alien. Chavez herself told reporters that not only was that not true but that she had told that to Eskew."
One conclusion the book seems to make is that the Democrats were out-organized, out-smarted, out-lawyered, and out-staffed by the Republicans.
A week before Thanksgiving, emails were circulated to Republican congressional staff promising to pay their expenses if they would travel to Florida to "assist the Bush campaign in this effort to preserve the integrity of the election." During the critical recount effort in Miami-Dade County, an RV was parked outside the government building, dispensing leaflets, T-shirts, and clearly functioning as a mobile headquarters for the supposedly spontaneous demonstrations that sought to delay the recount. When the canvassing board voted to do a partial recount behind closed doors, Republican operatives were ordered to "close it down." A couple dozen demonstrators, eventually growing to eighty people, stormed the floor where the board had set up. Claiming to be "angry voters," the crowd actually included a policy adviser for House Majority Whip Tom DeLay, a DeLay fund raiser, an aide to congressman Hilleray of Tennessee, and aide to Republican Party Chairman Don Young, other political staffers for the Republican National Committee, the National Republican Congressional Committee, etc. The protesters, through intimidation or simply by causing sufficient delay, led the canvassing board eventually to abandon their efforts at a partial recount, concluding that they could not meet the deadline established by the Florida Supreme Court. Tapper observes, "To the Gorebies, clearly, the Miami-Dade incident is the turning point…."
On the legal front, the Bush team's prescience was shown in their filing for a restraining order on November 11 to try to prevent hand recounts in the four counties that were conducting or preparing to conduct them. The brief argued that any hand recount undertaken absent evidence of fraud, corruption, or coercion would interfere with voters' rights to have their votes certified uniformly. The brief further asserted that a recount of only selected ballots violates the right of voters to be treated equally as guaranteed by the constitution. The brief was filed with the Federal District Court, arousing little media interest, and prompting legal scholars to question whether there was a federal issue at all. As we all now know, this little-noticed maneuver of the Republican legal team would lead ultimately to the Supreme Court awarding the election to Bush. As Tapper points out, the Democrats never really followed through with one obvious counter to this legal complaint, which would have been to fight for a complete recount. Gore did personally call for a statewide hand recount, but his team apparently regarded it as rhetorical since operatives or lawyers in the field never seriously advocated it.
But beyond that, Tapper suggests that the Democrats as an organization are simply sloppy. One example can be found in the observers each party brought to Broward County. While nominally present to observe, members of the canvassing board quickly realized that the Republicans were there to bad mouth the process. Lending weight to the comments, in addition to numerous staffers those present included five governors and two congressmen. The Democrats had three observers: Representative Jerry Nadler of New York, Alcee Hastings of Florida, and Senator Barbara Mikulski of Maryland, supposedly to appeal to Jewish, black, and female constituencies. "Typical clueless Democrat balkanization," Tapper comments.
A second example can be found in the trial before circuit court Judge Sanders Sauls -- one of the early trials in which Democrats sought a judicial order to continue hand recounts. The Democrats presented a statistician who attempted to show that undervotes in Palm Beach County occurred because of faulty punch-card machines. Unfortunately no one thought to get a copy of the ballot to him beforehand, allowing Republican lawyers to impeach his credibility as a witness. "I've seen it a million times in D.C," Tapper chides, "Democrats can be so f***ing sloppy."
Another theme running through the book is the partisanship - or at a minimum, complacency - of the media. Fox News is singled out particularly for being a virtual extension of the Bush campaign or the Republican Party. For instance, following the violent actions by Republican staffers masquerading as "angry voters" in Miami-Dade county, leading to an end to the recount there, the Republican party spin machine immediately attempted to minimize any hostility or intimidation. Fox News anchor Brit Hume passed along the message on Sunday November 26, joking "…I've never found anything more frightening than a mob of young Republicans…. They have on light green corduroy pants, and they've got on little belts with little frogs on them…. I don't know about you, but those Republican preppies just scare the daylights out of me." In a footnote Tapper questions "the thesis beneath the surface," speculating on Hume's commentary if the same protest had been conducted by young Democratic African-Americans.
And Tapper indicts most of the mainstream media when he asks why Bush's rampant hypocrisies were never challenged - especially Bush's deriding the very notion of hand recounts when he had advocated and signed hand recount legislation in Texas in 1997.
While a little smug in a New York Magazine sort of way, Down & Dirty is notable for its inside view and detailed chronicling of the events between November 8, 2000 and January 20, 2001, in the aftermath of the presidential election. Tapper's effort to remain neutral is largely successful, although partisans for either side may find it frustrating. His conclusion that "we" allowed this to happen seems a facile contrivance, but in the end he is redeemed by his righteous indignation at would-be leaders who lie, and lazy media representatives who fail to distinguish between lies and the truth.
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Shto se sporedba na skolstvo vo Makedonija i na zapad odnesuva, makedoncite imaat tendencii da preuvelicuvaat raboti. VO makedonija postoi samo eden tip na skolstvo vo sekoe uciliste, dodeka ovde postojat milion razlicni skoli , razlicno akademski organizirani . Bil nekoj u magnet school ?
jas idev u privatno, da ja citav antigona tek vo cetvrta sredno ama isto taka u mesto parafraziraj vo tetratka u dve strani moravme na napiseme research paper od 10. Da se uci geometrija i otsecki i ravenki i pm , ali mozesh da zemesh i AP Calculus, materijal koj jas licno pred toa nikogash ne go imav videno.Zavisi od ucenikot, ako sakash da se provlecesh mozesh i so otsecki ali ako sakash da naucish i te kako imash uslovi. Ko ke se setam nie se tupevme so naogjanje logoritmi u kniga ej , digitroni profesorite ni nemaat.
Anyway, poentava mi e slednava, Makedonija ima ekstenziven srednoskolski sistem kade shto se uci previse po moe, kade sto se buba materijal bez potreba, kaj shto se cita Tihi Don na 17 godini, sledstveno retko koj go cita a i tie so ke go procitaat retko koj go razbira.
Amerikancive i Kanagjanive ne go koristat ona shto go imaat se slagam , daleku od toa , ama aj da bideme iskreni i da vidime kolku od nasive go koristat nasiot sistem? Od mojavca generacija retko deka mozam da izdvojam nekoj koj ucese, toa bea se vrski se na vujna drugar, od cicko dete , na majka brat ....vi se molam , jas zavrsiv fizika cetiri godini 5tki sea da me prasash da ti objasnam newtnov zakon pojma neam ... sem deka pagjanjeto na jabolka go isprovociralo da go napise [^]
Sea nekoj ke kaze toa ti taka ... jas fizika, nekoj drug geografija, nekoj tret istorija, nekoj cetvrt angliski... sekoj se ima provlekuvano u neshto, prepis... haos... pa coece jas nishto ne izvezbav taka dobro ko prepis u sredno :) Ali ovde velam ama ste glupi vie amerikancive nie bre newtnov zakon ucime u 5to... :(
Fakultet, da ne praime mubabet za toa, community fucking college e bolje organiziram ovde. Na praven bev godina dena, sekoj den se teteravev do 12 u krevet zatoa shto nemav nikakva zelba da idam na fax, posto 9 out od 10 times profesorite ne se ni pojavuvaa na predavanja. Se uci od knigi pecateni 1960ta godina, na ispit profata igra packman i zavisno od toa dali ke go izede ili nema zavisi ti dali ke dobiesh prolazna ili ke se bapnesh. Seminarska prv semestar na praven mi dadoa da prevedam 3 capteri od srpski na makedonski , jazik ne studirav dragi moi.
Taka da, se sveduva na edno, vo makedonija ima dobro zamislen sistem, no se nema uslovi ( studirash elektro ako naletash na 486ka srekjen si) se nema profesori poso ne se plateni, se zapisuva se zivo i divo na fax i zavrsuva sekoj so ima podlabok dzep ili vrski.
edni zavrsuvaat elektro rabotat ko sekretarki, drugi zavrsuvaat praven rabotat na pazarce, i mal broj se onie koj do kraj trcaat po potpisi i se borat, od mojava generacija od 600 i neshto lugje na vreme zavrsija samo 2jca, i od site shto se zapisaa dali 20 se seuste se na fakultet se ostalo se otkaza.
Da ovde ponekad se ucat gluposti, da ponekad profesorite lupaat gluposti iako na mene na mojot fax mi se nema sluceno toa , ali ako sakash da naucish neshto, imash biblioteka kakva makedonija nemoze da zamisli, imash science buldings, imash labs, i imash domashen telefon od profa da mu se javish u sred nokj ako sakash , i guess what te podrzuva ne ti veli neam vreme za tebe sea ili doj kolega utre na ispit , ili ona poznatava gospod znae za 10, ja za 9 i 8 ti za 7 samo mozes da znaesh :(
Znaci zaklucok , Fin sistem za koj nikoj ne go boli i nikoj ne go koristi niti unapreduva-makedonija. Polu-fin sistem so mali akademski nedostatoci, so fantasticni uslovi koj ako znaesh kako mozesh da gi iskoristish maksimalno i mnogu shto ke izvlecesh od niv-usa. Zavisi od tebe ovde, a vo makedonija i da sakash mozesh da se ceslas...
zaso zaminav od makedonija... zatoa so mi se smaci koga vidov koleska moja na fax na tromesecje gi imashe site oceni vo index napisano... no tnx... jas ne stanuvam u 8 sabajle da rabotam a mojot trud da neznaci nishto i ne go ceni nikoj zatoa so vujce ne e u vmro
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A na kogo se obrakjas ako ova voopsto moze da se narece obrakjanje ?
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AaaAa Fino e toa shto go kazuvas , ama mislam deka malku zakasna so komentarot zatoa shto lugeto tuka pak se vratia na Irak i na okupacijata koja mu se sprena od strana na Amerikancite.Velam okupacijata zatoa shto seta taa rabota koja se sluchuva momentalno na nishto drugo ne mi lici.Oni(amerikancite) pomnuvaat nekakva vojna, ama za sega toa lichi samo na okupacija. Nedaj boze da dojde do vojna ni se eba mamicheto na site, a posebno na Amerikancite, iako mislat deka se nedopirlivi.Taka mislea seto vreme pa pred godina i pol na 11. Septemvri im go srusija pola NY a ne ispalija ni eden kurshum, ne sakam ni da zamislam sto mozi da se sluchi ako dojde stvarno do vojna. |
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Zodu a jas pak ti tvrdam deka oni(USA) manje vishe se nedopirlivi...a onie sto se "dopirlivi" , pred se Francija , Germanija , Italia ..i drugive zemji od Evropa sto se na relativno bliska distanca od "Bliski Istok" si znaat sto moze da si zakachat na vrat , pa zatoa mudro odbivaat sekakvo ucestvo vo voena akcija.Sega se razbira , ova ne edinstvenata pricina koja zemjive od Evropa(bez Anglija i nekoi "east-euro" banana republiki) go stavija vetoto za napadot nad Irak , no mora da se slozime deka e krucialno...Pak da se vratam na USA , geografskata polozba pred se im vetuva golema sigurnost...sega , kje recete ..ama "11 Sep" ...i moznost od novi teroristicki napadi od toj ili slichen vid?..edna rabota ...kako prvo , USA e "policiska drzava" od prv stepen ..i veruj , vtora greska od tipot na "11 Sep" , nema da si dozvolat u skora idnina ...a eve da recheme i da si dozvolat...mislis deka taa cena oni ne se spremni da ja platat,za da ednas za sekogash go reshat naftenoto prashanje?..sekako opasnosta koja demnee nad ostanatiot svet , pred se na americkite sojuznici niz svetot , kje e pogolema , i kje bide so daleku poneprifatlivi posledici ..odkolku sto toa bi bilo vo USA... |
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Originally posted by zodu
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Originally posted by Canmak
The last gulf war ended when Saddam agreed to disarm...but instead he kicked out the UN inspectors and hid his weapons of mass destruction. He broke the agreement that ended the first gulf war and now he must suffer the consequences for his actions.
Sure I hope that it goes through the UN and that a peacefull resolution is found, but it doesn't look that way and well I believe force is needed in order to achieve those goals
Ke bese glupavo da go kopirav celoto pismo, pa zato go zedov samo posledniov del.
Pa dobro be covek zarem ne ti e jasno vo glavata deka celava rabota e nastavok na Tatko Bush. On ne uspea da go sredi Sadam pa edvaj doceka Bush familijata da dojde ponovo na vlast i da prodolzi tamu kade sto zastanala.
Zarem ne ti e jasno veke ednas deka ako je vratis bliskata istorija na Amerika nazat ke vides deka sekoja petta godina negde naogaa racka da vojuvaat i da ubivaat luge.Pa toa e edna bolna nacija koja ako ne odi negde da ubiva togas odma pocnuva megusebe da se sotira sto po ucilistata, sto na ostanati javni mesta.
Nakrajot na kraevite, go boli Bush onaa rabota za Sadam i za sostojbata vo Irak i dali lugeto tamu loso ziveat ili ne.Naftata mu e nego potrebna zatoa i go pravi seto ova.
Pa ajde kazi mi ti sega kolku zivoti e potrebno za litar nafta.Zarem zasluzuva bilo sto da se plaka so zivoti.Od druga strana ova ne e sirot Vietnam ili Srbija pa ke bombardiram malku ke ubivam malku pa posle toa se ke bide vo red. Site dobro znaeme koi se mislimanite i kolku se fanaticni i na sto se sve spremni.Pa zarem na Amerika ne i bese malku 11. Septemvri da svati deka ne treba da se igra i da cacka kade sto ne i e mesto ili i treba sega 11.Septemvri po cela Amerika i sekoj den, i ne samo tamu, tuku se obiduva i ostanatiot svet da go vovlece vo svoite lajna koji gi sere (izvinete na izrazov). I koj ne saka da igra kako sto Amerika svire ako ne moze da go napadne odma preti deka ekonomski ke go uniste,a ne svaka deka ako istata taa EU poludi pa kaze koj te sisa i nie nema da sorabotuvame so vas deka korenja ke pocnat po Amerika da jadat.Evropa e golema i ima kade da vrsi uvoz i izvoz, kade ke go pravi toa Amerika ako site i svrtat grb. Uostalom ako tolku zapnala da go napadne Irak, pa sto ne go napaga , sto bara podrska od drugite ako e veke tolku jaka kako sto se fali.Neka napaga i neka krsi glava, pa posle neka snesuva sama posledici , a ne da go mesa celiot svet vo nivnite valkani raboti.
Od druga strana sekoja mala zemjicka na svetov ima moznost da proizvede Boevo oruzje, samo i treba edna mala labaratorija i ete ti go.Sto znaci toa deka posle irak ke odi po red vo svetot pa segde ke simnuva po eden Sadam ili Milisevic. Uostalom sto ja briga amerika kako e vo nekoja druga zemja, isto kako sto tebe ne ti e gajle kako e kaj tvoite komsii taka i niv ne treba da gi interesira kako e vo Irak. A ako sakas da znaes, eden moj dobar prijatel bese pred godina dena vo Bagdad i tie slikite sto gi zakazi na Pollov zakaci si gi doma vo sobata oti nemat veze so relnosta.Coekot bese i ziv e svedok deka lugeto tamu ziveat kako i site drugi.Doduse so teskotii, ama tie teskotii ne se ot toa sto im e Sadam na vlas tuku samo radi toa sto istata Amerika terajki go ostanatiot svet ima lupnaa sankcii pa zatoa e loso.Ni vo Jugoslavia ne se ziveese loso dodeka ne lupnaa sankcii pa im bese Milosevic kriv.Se nadevam deka so bozja pomos ovaa sranje sto ni go sprema Amerika ke se zavrsi brzo i bezbolno isto kako sto se zavrsi i so bombardiranjeto na Srbija, ama nazalost ne mi izgleda deka ke bide taka, A ako bide samo prasuvam
" KOJA ZEMJA E SLEDA NA RED ?"
Zodu,
spored mene nemislam i nebitrebalo nikoj da i veruva na amerika veke
99,9% od svetov svatija deka mnogu raboti gi pravat bez p[otreba i dosta narod gini nasekade od shto se tie zbesnati i nemaat poubava rabota nego da izigravaat "bullies" , a
i drugo
najgolemite ulogi vo site amerikanski gluposti se dolzat na "tatko im" IZRAEL i majka im "ANGLIJA" kako shto im odgovara na niv taka e dupat amereka da pravi gluposti po svetov
a nekade ke ima vojna za skoro ako ne pojdat vo Iraq za da e zamacket rabotata ke pojdat tie na drugo mesto takvi kucina se tie
da se nadevame nema kaj nas da e svrtat rabotata za da se zaboravi so iraq |
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Originally posted by Thunder from down under
Zodu,
spored mene nemislam i nebitrebalo nikoj da i veruva na amerika veke
99,9% od svetov svatija deka mnogu raboti gi pravat bez p[otreba i dosta narod gini nasekade od shto se tie zbesnati i nemaat poubava rabota nego da izigravaat "bullies" , a
i drugo
najgolemite ulogi vo site amerikanski gluposti se dolzat na "tatko im" IZRAEL i majka im "ANGLIJA" kako shto im odgovara na niv taka e dupat amereka da pravi gluposti po svetov
a nekade ke ima vojna za skoro ako ne pojdat vo Iraq za da e zamacket rabotata ke pojdat tie na drugo mesto takvi kucina se tie
da se nadevame nema kaj nas da e svrtat rabotata za da se zaboravi so iraq
Daj Boze da imas pravo. Ama ne mislam deka se amerikancite tolku glupav narod za da dozvolat eden izrael ili ti edna Anglija da gi vlece za nos. Pa samiot Izrael e soocen so sekojdnevna vojna i mislam deka nema popametna rabota tuku da ja huska Amerika da otvara vojna so zemja-fanatik koja se granici so nea i koja ako pobesni preku nok moze da ja goltne i vo isto vreme svari vo zeludecot, a od druga strana i anglija e blizu i lesno moze da dojde na nisan.Moe mislenje e deka sepak e Amerika taa na koja i se dignal da sekoj 5 godini vojuva negde oti boze moj site onie raketi i bombi imaat i svoj rok na traenje i morat ili da se unistat (sto dosta kosta) ili negde da se upotrebat sto e dosta poeftino oti uspat moze i nekoja korist da se zadobie.Se e toa so razlog.Nemoj da veruvas deka se amerikancite mali deca koji dozvoluvaat da nekoj im kaze sto treba da se raboti i kako.Znaat oni dobro sto i kako treba da rabotata i znaat oni isto taka dobro deka ako uspeat go okupirat Irak ima nafta niz nos da im protece.
Prema toa nemoze nikoj da me ubedi deka sirota amerika seto ova sto go pravo go pravi samo zatoa sto nekoj tamu i diktira sto i kako treba da pravi.
No povtoruvam se nadevam deka seta ovaa glupost koja ja pravat nema da dostigne pogolemi razmeri oti ako dostigne loso ni se pisi na site zatoa sto site dobro znaeme kako fanaticki moze da bide islamot i na sto se se' sepremni samo da bide po nivno.Amerika ima mok i oruzje, a ovie imaat ludi glavi i spremni se do posleden da se naoruzat so bombi(pa i so nuklesrni boevi glavi) i da setat po svetot i da pukat ko petardi.Pa ne 11. Septemvri da bide, tuku sekoj den negde da se "ceka nova godina" so smrtonosni vatrometi koji ini ke go nosat po svetot.
Zatoa mislam deka evropa e oprezna oti tocno rece Bravo evropa e blizu i polesna meta, ama neka ne se zalazuva amerika deka i ona kako inicijator ke bide postedena.Itekako muslimanite ima da go naplatat dolgot, porano ili podocna. |
| GCode |
NEW YORK - Bill Clinton thinks Bono is a leader "we should follow in the new millennium."
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hahahahahahah |
| Whitebaby |
what the f**k [?][?][?] |
| Bravo |
Gledam deka na forumov ima podelenost na tema , ZASTO na USA tolku im se ide u vojna ...Ipak ja licno mislam deka pricinite se dosta podlaboki , i pokompleksni ..od toa deka stvarno USA saka da ima celosna kontrola na najgolemite nafteni baseni na deneshninava, posle...pomosh na Israel od arapsko-muslimanskoto opkruzuvanje(najgolem broj od americkite drzavnici se evrei) , pa se do cist revansh za napadot od 11 sep ...
P.S.
...slusnavte li za americkoto embargo zasnovano na lokalna konzumacija(znachi ne stanuva zbor za drzavno embargo - hala bogu[:D] ), za francuskite vina? Pazi ziti se ..poradi ne podrzuvanje na nivnata politka vo odnos na Irak , pred se poradi stavenoto veto vo UN a sekako i vo NATO ..amerikancite se hrabrat da ne pijat francuski vina , tuku naprotiv , svojata trpeza da ja zbogatat so "konkurentnoto" kalifornisko vino [:D][:D][:D] |
| AaaAa |
jas mislam deka temava e odavna iznemostena. Amerika ke odi vo vojna, kako i zoshto odavna se znae. Se shto preostanuva e Bush-ovata administracija da opravda shto e mozno povekje od taktikata koja ja primenuva pred se doma, pa posle vo stranstvo. Ako uspee vo toa ondak dobija Bingo, ako ne uspee pak nishto nema da se promeni. Shto se odnesuva do sigurnosta na amerika... huh ... sem nekoj mali bombaski napadi od domasni izvori nad amerika muva nema da preleta ne neshto drugo. |
| fio |
never say never :) |
| AaaAa |
ne rekov never... rekov ne sea:) |
| Bravo |
Uste eden od nizata biseri na amerikanskiot vrv...
http://www.a1.com.mk/vesti/vest.asp?VestID=17257 ....lele [:p]..."ako Irak gi poslushal jugoslovenskite oficeri , i upotrebi ziv stit pri eventualen napad na USA , USA TOA KJE GO SMETA KAKO VOEN PRESTAP "...hahahaha[:D]...ne se zdravi zimi se ..ova treba da zeme svoj del u serialot "Monti Pajton" , samo da ne bese od engleska produkcija [:(] |
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Znaes li kako gi ucat dabombandiraat???????
Take the bomb and count to 3 .
Not 1 , its too early , Not 2 its too early again , so u guess on 3 .
Lets try again .
The officer : 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 ......
The master : No , no , no .
4 Is too much , Try again ...................................................................................................................................... |
| a-pin-dim |
abe toa nema sansi da se sluci vojna sprema irak oti ke bide treta svecka vojna :)))))))
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| zodu |
quote:
Originally posted by a-pin-dim
abe toa nema sansi da se sluci vojna sprema irak oti ke bide treta svecka vojna :)))))))
ne mislam deka e smesno koga se dava izjava deka ke bide treta svetska vojna i nema potreba od gomila slailii da se stavaat. Stvarno zalosno sto na nekoi im doslo do smeenje goga ke se spomene vojna. |
| zodu |
no luge Vojnata na prag a vie se okupiravte okolu aksesot na kec, pa dajte mu go veke ednas toj akses neka uziva uste malku dodeka moze, aposle "kud koji mili moi" |
| AaaAa |
Akcesot na kec e mnogu po inteligentna tema ako jas se prashuvam ... :) |
| BrAiNwAsh |
Abe toa nema da se sluchi..shtotuku se sluchi pred nekoja den...e sea..
"Perat pari gospodata od Administracijata"...kako shto kazuvaat....Vojnata bila najdobro neshto za da se napravat pari...togash cel budzet e otvoren...i se zema a ne se prashuva zoshto...i sea...kombinacija : Zijan na drzavata ... Pari za Administracijata..Chista programa...sekoj gleda da si stavi vo dzep...
a kako prvo..ovaa beshe pochnata za Naftata...ne za dr.. |
| akuser |
me raduva shto ima nekoj na forumof shto se grizhe za iraq ili za usa ..... a ushte poke ke me raduva da ima nekoj da se grishe za nashata MAKEDONIJA.... |
| buc |
e vie ke sredite drzava so politika |
| MaCkiCa` |
I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.
--Albert Einstein
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| SeKeR |
dajte vina hocu jooooos...pa lugje daj ve molam nemojte da se zamarate so takvi raboti,,nasite problemi ne sme gi resile pa tugi onamu u pm kje resaame..gluposti.. |
| buc |
za toa si u pravo daj bocvata i idemo dale jas i ti :o) |