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| Canmak |
Just out of curiosity why in the world does tito get his own topic........is there not Macedonians worthy of getting topics for themselves......such as the members of the VMRO like Goce Delcev etc
This to me is a slap in the face of Macedonians and people with Macedonian heritage.......but then again my views always differ with most here on the forums.
I just think this is rediculous having a tito subject and people wonder why Macedonians get no respect from the international community......they have to respect themselves first |
| BorisVM |
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Originally posted by OooOo
Nema veze Boris, vazhno Canmak toa go gledashe od daleku i on ne oseti nishto od toa. Ali i toa ne e bitno zatoa shto on ima MACEDONIAN HERITAGE i e ponosen na toa, a 2 zbora na makedonski neznae da skrshi, 2 pati bil u Makedonija da go poseti rodnoto selo na nekoja si planina u pichku si materinu.
Ama kolku de, lesno e da se kritikuva od piedestalot na koj sam se kachil vo dobrata mu Kanada, jas mu davam pet minuti sam vo Tetovo. Ima razlika pomedju politika i ona shto go vikaat RealPolitik. |
| BorisVM |
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Originally posted by Canmak
I would also like to ask the following questions:
3) Tito dreamed about Yugoslavia......the land of the southern slavs.....how come he forgot about the Macedonians that were in greece? If it was truly the land of the souther slavs
Because HE FORGOT about them, they were getting FREE housing, I repeat FREE housing (appartments) when they moved back to Macedonia, while everybody else had to take a loan and buy these appartments.
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| OooOo |
zatoa go prashav dali e egeec :PP
Egejcite dobija sve besplatno. Stanovi dobivaa vo Centar na Skopje, a gi brkaa lugjeto shto zhivea predhodno vo tie stanovi i im davaa stanovi u radishani, drachevo i gjorche. Zhiveev so niv 22 godini dodeka ne se preseliv u amerika. Toa e OLOSH narod i me boli patlak ako nekoj se prepoznae u postov.
Ako nekoj go interesira zashto mislam deka e olosh slobodno neka prasha, ali mislam deka nema potreba i deka site znaeme kakvi se egejcite.
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| BorisVM |
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Originally posted by Canmak
If the majority of the citizens didn't want it to break up, it would have lasted.....that country was held together from the force of the man that you all worship like a god here....and when his reign of terror ended with his death the people of that country found there voices. In each of the republics that left that union the majority voted to leave with the exception of slovenia( I believe they had no vote to leave the union but there gov't left anyways).
Do the majority of US Citizens want a war with Iraq? Do the majority of EU citizens want a war with Iraq? Do the majority of Canadian citizens want a war with Iraq?
Let them vote then. The war will happen regardles of the "will" of the people.
If it was "reign of terror", nobody will still worship Tito, or have representatives of over 170 countries at his funeral, including your own Canadian government. So what you are basically saying is that your government paid respects to a tyrant? See the fallacy in your logic there?
As the the question of immigration, during the period 1945-1990, people didn't leave Yugoslavia, not because they were forbidden, but because they DID NOT WANT TO. The ones that did, are the laughingstock of the new wave of immigrants, who have totally different outlook on Yugoslavia/Macedonia.
I am the one who should hate Tito, because the communists took pretty much everything that my grandfather owned in 1945. That was half of Tetovo, more or less. But I don't, because I respect a TRUE LEADER when I see one. |
| OooOo |
prvo prashanje do canmak, da ne si egeec sluchajno??
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- it was during the cold war that region was important to both sides of the coldwar.......of course they are going to go.
mozhda bilo bitno za amerika, rusija i zapadno evropskite zemji, dali toa isto beshe bitno i za izreal, palestina, za site arapski zemji, za kinezite, indijcite, romanija, cela afrika, cela juzhna amerika ili oni bea vo "hot war" pa dojdoa u Belgrad na pogreb da ladat muda?
Zashto be lugje taka zboruvate? Da se deseshe toa na nekoj drug predsedatel na drzhava i da se sobereshe tolku narod, kje vikavte, gledajte koja chest mu davaat, gledajte kolku lugje se sobraa, koga kje bide ova kaj nas. E sega toa se desi kaj nas, a site pljukaat po toa.
Na kraj kraeva Canmak kako mozhesh TI da zboruvash zatoa koga nieden den ne si zhiveel tamu i ne si osetil nishto od toj zhivot?
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| Canmak |
OooOo your right I didn't but look at it this way.....the largest amount of immigrants that came from yugoslavia to the western world happened under Titos regime.......if it was so great why did all these people leave? For a better life didn't they? A life that Tito could not offer them........but I forgot he is great! |
| OooOo |
NE! Lugjeto sega povekje begaat i imigriraat vo stranstvo otkolku togash. Zashto? Zatoa shto sega baraat spas od toa shto se sluchuva dole, od toj haos shto e vo Makedonija. A togash begaa lugjeto shto bea so ideite za GOLEMA MAKEDONIJA, GOLEMA SRBIJA, GOLEMA HRVATSKA za da ne idat na Goli Otok ili da bidat strelani. Imashe statistika vo www.vest.com.mk ili www.dnevnik.com.mk okolu ova prashanje. I DA, odgovorot beshe deka sega ima mnogu povekje imigracija nego togash. Ti si bil vo taa imigracija koga tvojte begale od komunizmot poradi nekoja si X prichina shto ne me ni interesira.
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Canmak wrote: And now it comes all clear to me.......I understood why all of you were pissed at me for saying I support NATO.......they bombed the f**k out of the country that you all love
ohh and I am glad that those four canadian soldiers died from american bombs in afganistan. I wish there was more then four.
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| Thunder from down under |
za Boris i o edna pesna da se potsetite
samo nemoj solzi da pushtite :))))
i za tebe Mimi e :)))
ftp://210.49.249.193/ZA%20BORISVM%20I%20MR%20O/
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| Canmak |
Boris
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The Macedonian consciousness and Nationality as defined in modern terms started to form as such in 1945. Everything that has happened before then although historically important is irrelevant in terms of a Nation, because there WASN'T one before then.
LoL thats funny then why were people struggling for a Nationhood during the ottoman empire....is that not a Macedonian Consciousness..is that not a fight to recognize the Nationhood....I am not a Macedonian History major or a history buff but was not the Illiden uprising before 1945....and was not that uprising done in order to establish a nationhood? Clearly a consciousness has to be there for an uprising to occur.
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You also dwell on the question of voting for secession from Yugoslavia. Majority of the citizens of Yugoslavia, me included, did not want our country to fall apart. In the course of the breakup, there was only one possible solution: to let the JNA go with all of its weapons, and vote for independence
If the majority of the citizens didn't want it to break up, it would have lasted.....that country was held together from the force of the man that you all worship like a god here....and when his reign of terror ended with his death the people of that country found there voices. In each of the republics that left that union the majority voted to leave with the exception of slovenia( I believe they had no vote to leave the union but there gov't left anyways).
Melpomana
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Canmak ako ti si dozvoluvash da kazesh deka nie sme idioti ja kje si dozvolam da ti kazam deka "choveche mnogu si glup!"
Prvo neznam sho se meshash u vakvi diskusii koga ne si ni ziveel vo Makedonija nitu kje ziveesh. So ogled na toa shto si go pishuval neznam i drugo shto da ti kazam, ednostavno na bilo koj forum sekoj ima pravo da otvara bilo kakov topic, sho te voznemiruva Tito tolku mene navistina ne mi e jasno???
Ti vikam jas vi ja polnene glavata so "kataklizma komunizma" a ni sam ne znaesh shto e komunizam i se shto znaete da kazete e "Ostaj gi niv komunjari se!"
I will break your post down for you
Canmak ako ti si dozvoluvash da kazesh deka nie sme idioti ja kje si dozvolam da ti kazam deka "choveche mnogu si glup!" - You are entitled to your opinion but coming from a idiot it doesn't mean much
Prvo neznam sho se meshash u vakvi diskusii koga ne si ni ziveel vo Makedonija nitu kje ziveesh- I will voice my opinions on subjects that I want to
So ogled na toa shto si go pishuval neznam i drugo shto da ti kazam, ednostavno na bilo koj forum sekoj ima pravo da otvara bilo kakov topic, sho te voznemiruva Tito tolku mene navistina ne mi e jasno???
- I understand that people can which ever topic they want but I get curious when I see Tito gets his own thread and then you have Macedonians such as "Goce Delcev" that are hidden in some history section and when you do go to check it out there is not much on him...after all isn't this a site where people with Macedonian heritage, Macedonians etc can discuss there heritage and what not......it is virtual macedonia not virtual yugoslavia
Ti vikam jas vi ja polnene glavata so "kataklizma komunizma" a ni sam ne znaesh shto e komunizam i se shto znaete da kazete e "Ostaj gi niv komunjari se!"
- Communism works wonders doesnt it.....Cuba is doing great, The USSR fell and look at it now, China is slowly implementing economic reforms that are towards capitalism.....but yeah communism is great.
OooOo:
abe na kraj kraeva koj i da beshe toj Tito, site go pochituvaa, cel svet go pochituvashe, site predsedateli dojdoa na negoviot pogreb, shto do den denes takvo neshto ne se desilo u svet. A samo izrodi kako vas serea i ushte serat protiv nego.
- it was during the cold war that region was important to both sides of the coldwar.......of course they are going to go. |
| Canmak |
I would also like to ask the following questions:
1) If Tito gave Macedonia to the Macedonians then why couldn't the people sing patriotic songs about macedonia back in the day?
2) Don't the Macedonians consider "Cento" a hero I believe that is his name (he was the general) that tito imprisoned......how could you consider both of them Heros
3) Tito dreamed about Yugoslavia......the land of the southern slavs.....how come he forgot about the Macedonians that were in greece? If it was truly the land of the souther slavs
I read all of these statements from people that have come from the Macedonia that was part of Yugoslavia....but you are all forgetting the Macedonians that come from what is now greece......they have no ties to tito....the same goes with Mala Prespa and Pirin. Those people you consider to be Macedonians....but how can you when Tito didn't give them Macedonia according to your statements they must be either greek,albanian or bulgarian
If you look at the Greek Hate mail section you all got pissed when a greek called you yugos, skopjeans etc.....but here you all are praising the guy that symbolizes Yugoslavia
Another way I see it is this : what would you all think if a Macedonian from Greece or Bulgaria praised some Bulgarian leader or Greek leader saying he is the one that gave them Macedonia.....I am sure you would be pissed......I can gaurentee that you all would...you would insult them by calling them grkomani or bugaromani but you all that are praising Tito are nothing but yugobitches ....sorry typo I meant to type yugovics
And now it comes all clear to me.......I understood why all of you were pissed at me for saying I support NATO.......they bombed the f**k out of the country that you all love[}:)]
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| Canmak |
Show me those stats I would like to see them.
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| OooOo |
idi na www.vest.com.mk ili na www.dnevnik.com.mk i baraj gi, neam popametna rabota nego da baram statistiki za tebe |
| BorisVM |
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Originally posted by Canmak
Boris
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The Macedonian consciousness and Nationality as defined in modern terms started to form as such in 1945. Everything that has happened before then although historically important is irrelevant in terms of a Nation, because there WASN'T one before then.
LoL thats funny then why were people struggling for a Nationhood during the ottoman empire....is that not a Macedonian Consciousness..is that not a fight to recognize the Nationhood....I am not a Macedonian History major or a history buff but was not the Illiden uprising before 1945....and was not that uprising done in order to establish a nationhood? Clearly a consciousness has to be there for an uprising to occur.
I was referring to a formation of a country, not the struggle before 1945.
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You also dwell on the question of voting for secession from Yugoslavia. Majority of the citizens of Yugoslavia, me included, did not want our country to fall apart. In the course of the breakup, there was only one possible solution: to let the JNA go with all of its weapons, and vote for independence
If the majority of the citizens didn't want it to break up, it would have lasted.....that country was held together from the force of the man that you all worship like a god here....and when his reign of terror ended with his death the people of that country found there voices. In each of the republics that left that union the majority voted to leave with the exception of slovenia( I believe they had no vote to leave the union but there gov't left anyways).
There is an excellent book on this subject, called the Breakup of Yugoslavia.
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[/i]- I understand that people can which ever topic they want but I get curious when I see Tito gets his own thread and then you have Macedonians such as "Goce Delcev" that are hidden in some history section and when you do go to check it out there is not much on him...after all isn't this a site where people with Macedonian heritage, Macedonians etc can discuss there heritage and what not......it is virtual macedonia not virtual yugoslavia
This is totally my oversight, and you are right. Expect http://www.gocedelchev.com/ soon.
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| BorisVM |
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Originally posted by Canmak
And now it comes all clear to me.......I understood why all of you were pissed at me for saying I support NATO.......they bombed the f**k out of the country that you all love[}:)]
We were all pissed off, and still are because the bombing was ILLEGAL, no matter how the idiots at Nato described it. I personally was also pissed off, because Macedonia suffered the most by the influx of the so called "refugees." |
| BorisVM |
quote:
Originally posted by Canmak
And now it comes all clear to me.......I understood why all of you were pissed at me for saying I support NATO.......they bombed the f**k out of the country that you all love[}:)]
Question for you: Why do you think they didn't go in with ground troops? I'll answer it: Because they were scared shitless of the casualties. |
| OooOo |
Nema veze Boris, vazhno Canmak toa go gledashe od daleku i on ne oseti nishto od toa. Ali i toa ne e bitno zatoa shto on ima MACEDONIAN HERITAGE i e ponosen na toa, a 2 zbora na makedonski neznae da skrshi, 2 pati bil u Makedonija da go poseti rodnoto selo na nekoja si planina u pichku si materinu.
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| Thunder from down under |
T =Tret
I = Internacionalen
T = Teroristicki
O = Organizator
Nehru i Naser bea prviot i vtoriot |
| melpomena |
Alouuu... Poleka malku, Thunder jas sum go gushnala TITO i pesnichka mu ispeav duri[:D]
Druga rabota, arno reche slasa ostavete go chovekot da pochiva vo mir, mene lichno me interesira Ako beshe losho, zashto ne se najde nekoj pameten togash dodeka beshe Tito ziv da reche vaka i vaka ova ne chini???
Da ne beshe Tito nikogash nemashe da imame drzava! kako sakate sfatete go ova, ama taka e! Zalosno shto nema da uspeeme da si ja sochuvame drzavata[:(]
Ja da vi kazam pravo i na Ljubcho kapa mu simnuvam. Treba mozok da imash za da izmanipulirash vaka 2 milioni narod. Si vikashe po mitinzi-Kongres vo Solun, si dojde na vlast, si prodade drzavata, si ukrade pari si ojde- gajle mu e... Da ne mu e losho sluchajno?
p.s. Aj sea da porabotime malku na relaksiranje na "megju-imigraciski odnosi"[:D][:D][:D] |
| slasa |
Tunde sega se lutam :
jas ti kazav jas mu bev cuvar se do smrta. i koga umre so pratnja vo vozot do Belgrad bev so nego
ostavigo pokojnikot na mira toj ni dade drzava na nas Makedoncite
Jas Bev titov Gardista , nemoj da mi go cepkas |
| slasa |
MIMI so Boris se zameriv poradi taa zastava. Pa ćovejke voopsto ne me interesira koja e makedonska zastava koga nie ovde ne mozeme da se slozime. kade li vo ziva sredina vo Makedonija.Zatoa Siptarite koristat guzva i ke ni ebvet mater eden den na site NAs Golemi makedonci .
A na Norkomanot Lupco jas nikogas ne sum mu skinal kapa i nema da mu napravam toa , Jas sum Tezok Komunista i takov ke umram . |
| slasa |
http://www.titoville.com/sound/govor9.mp3 |
| melpomena |
Slasa i jas sum komunista so tapija, doma u sred dnevna mi stoi plakat uramen od Che Guevara[:D][:D][:D]
Bashka lugjeto shto navodno agitiraat za "Kataklizma komunizma"[:D] ne ni znaat voopshto shto e toa komunizam. I pogreshno si me svatil, nemam jas namera da se zameruvam so bilo kogo, samo gi kazuvam rabotite gledani od moj agol, cel zivot ziveam vo Makedonija, a vo nekoi nastani sum bila i direktno involvirana i mnogu mi e zal, kje si crknam od maka shto MAKEDONCITE (dali i voopshto treba da se vikaat makedonci neznam)sami si ja prodadoa drzavata. Nesakam da zavleguvam vo vakvi diskusii, pogotovo NE- poshto znam kako stojat rabotite i za Tanushevce, i za Tetovo, i za Leshok, Matejche...
Celata polemika ovde beshe:Da se pozchituvaat oficijalnite simboli na RM.
Nemam jas nikakva korist od "Drzavata na Aleksandar Makedonski", isto nemam ni korist od Pirinskiot i Egejskiot del. Jas ja imam ovaa drzava sega shto ja imam, druga NEMAM i mene striktno me interesira za Makedonija deneska i normalno za pravata na makedonskoto malcinstvato shto zivee vo sosednite drzavi. Makedoncite pak shto ziveat nadvor od drzavata treba da ne pretstavuvaat nadvor i da gi istaknuvaat celite i interesite na Makedonija. E sega rabotata e shto site makedonci nemaat isti celi i interesi, toa e najgolemiot problem!!!
Shto da dolzime ponatamu...???
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| slasa |
MiMi pa nema sto da dolzime, Jas nikogas ne sum e baral Makedonija od alexandar Makedonski ili nekoja si druga .Nego onaa sto e imame sega |
| Thunder from down under |
Dobro be komunisti edno prashajne
ne se zaebavam ozbilno
Sho e rabotava sho ne odite vo crkva ?Zoshto? Sho ima vrska crkvata?
edno rekov ama 3 izlegoja :)) |
| BorisVM |
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Originally posted by slasa
MiMi pa nema sto da dolzime, Jas nikogas ne sum e baral Makedonija od alexandar Makedonski ili nekoja si druga .Nego onaa sto e imame sega
AMIN. |
| Whitebaby |
Koj ne odi vo crkva Thunder?
Tatko mi beshe komunist so tapija (a bogami i seushte e), beshe Major vo rezerva vo JNA (se ushte si ja chuva uniformata)... itn itn, pa i jas i sestra mi sme vo crkva krsteni, sekoja godina si slavevme domashna slava, ni odeshe pop doma, nie odevme vo crkva za site golemi verski praznici... znachi greshka si gospodine. Seto toa bilo individualno. |
| Thunder from down under |
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Originally posted by Whitebaby
Koj ne odi vo crkva Thunder?
Tatko mi beshe komunist so tapija (a bogami i seushte e), beshe Major vo rezerva vo JNA (se ushte si ja chuva uniformata)... itn itn, pa i jas i sestra mi sme vo crkva krsteni, sekoja godina si slavevme domashna slava, ni odeshe pop doma, nie odevme vo crkva za site golemi verski praznici... znachi greshka si gospodine. Seto toa bilo individualno.
ne poshto imam slusnato kako nekoj velat "jas sum komunista i ne odam vcrkva"
pa samo prashav sho e shtosot so crkvata i komunistive
BORIS
ODGOVORIMU NA COVEKOT SHTO TE PRASHUVA VO PRVIOT POST |
| melpomena |
thunder mnogu e lesno ova da se odgovori
Zashto Tito ima svoj topic, a zashto da nema!!! Zashto be nikoj ne prasha zasho za Bush se stavi pool??? Gluposti se prashanjata, ako sakam i za Albancite u Peshkopeja kje otvoram topic!!![}:)]
Vekje razjasnivme deka da ne beshe Tito, Makedonija nema da postoeshe, a bashka nie bevme del od Yugoslavija Tito ni beshe pretsedatel zasho pa da nema svoj topic i Canmak, koj pa reche deka kje nemalo topici za Goce delchev.. idi na forumov na History chitaj za Aleksandar Makedonski, i se ostanato za Makedonija.
Znachi samo da se napishelo neshto bez da se misli[}:)] |
| Thunder from down under |
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Originally posted by melpomena
thunder mnogu e lesno ova da se odgovori
Zashto Tito ima svoj topic, a zashto da nema!!! Zashto be nikoj ne prasha zasho za Bush se stavi pool??? Gluposti se prashanjata, ako sakam i za Albancite u Peshkopeja kje otvoram topic!!![}:)]
Vekje razjasnivme deka da ne beshe Tito, Makedonija nema da postoeshe, a bashka nie bevme del od Yugoslavija Tito ni beshe pretsedatel zasho pa da nema svoj topic i Canmak, koj pa reche deka kje nemalo topici za Goce delchev.. idi na forumov na History chitaj za Aleksandar Makedonski, i se ostanato za Makedonija.
Znachi samo da se napishelo neshto bez da se misli[}:)]
Fala boris
nervoza in da air
ve boli za tito a zato :)))) |
| melpomena |
Thunder prashanjeto ne beshe postaveno do Boris taka da seedno koj kje go odgovori, ne tuku si naogjaj zakachki, buckalo niedno[}:)]
[:D][:D][:D]
Aj pozdrav treba da se spie |
| Canmak |
LOOOOOOOOL you people are so stupid (and I am going to insult your mindset cause I feel I have every right to when dealing with idiots...ban me do what ever you want but this is how I feel) This by the way goes out to you all that say Tito (not from the jackson family) gave the Macedonians a country....are you all that stupid....Tito can not give anyone something that was not his to give....Tito cannot give heritage,nationality, or nationhood that is earned by birth for the most part......The people that gave the Macedonian country to the nation are the people that died for her cause, the people that fought for her rights, the people that voted for her independence from a union that tito himself formed, just because tito recognized that region as Macedonia in the former yugoslavia does not mean that he gave the Macedonians Macedonia, he was a politician and it was a smart move on him to recognise it as Macedonia in order to appease the Macedonian people....do you honestly think that the Macedonian people would have sat on the side if they were called southern serbians? Do you honestly think that no Macedonian revolutionaries would have started some sort of up rising if they were not recognized as Macedonians but all of you still claim tito gave us Macedonia...what about the old VMRO fighters were they not fighting for Macedonian before tito came along......I never claimed I was Macedonian I always claim the my heritage is Macedonian it just shocks me that people that were born in Macedonia feel this way. You are all pathetic and you should be ashamed of yourselves.....I bet you are all the same people that talk highly of the old VMRO revolutionaries and then in the same breath praise Tito....now ask yourselves this..DO YOU HONESTLY THINK THAT THE REVOLUTIONARIES WOULD HAVE LIKED TITO, DO YOU NOT THINK THAT THEY WOULD HAVE FOUGHT HIM LIKE THEY DID THE TURKS. YOU CANNOT GIVE SOMETHING TO SOMEONE THAT WAS NOT YOURS TO GIVE IN THE FIRST PLACE THINK ABOUT IT THIS WAY YOU LIVE IN A HOUSE I COME ALONG AS THE MAYOR AND SAY I GIVE YOU THIS HOUSE BUT IT IS YOU OR YOUR ANCESTORS THAT BUILT IT NOW HOW IN THE WORLD CAN I GIVE IT TO YOU....I CAN TAKE IT AWAY BUT NOT GIVE IT TO YOU |
| graf |
amam mate I am blind because of the big font ahahhaha |
| BorisVM |
quote:
Originally posted by Canmak
LOOOOOOOOL you people are so stupid (and I am going to insult your mindset cause I feel I have every right to when dealing with idiots...ban me do what ever you want but this is how I feel) This by the way goes out to you all that say Tito (not from the jackson family) gave the Macedonians a country....are you all that stupid....Tito can not give anyone something that was not his to give....Tito cannot give heritage,nationality, or nationhood that is earned by birth for the most part......The people that gave the Macedonian country to the nation are the people that died for her cause, the people that fought for her rights, the people that voted for her independence from a union that tito himself formed, just because tito recognized that region as Macedonia in the former yugoslavia does not mean that he gave the Macedonians Macedonia, he was a politician and it was a smart move on him to recognise it as Macedonia in order to appease the Macedonian people....do you honestly think that the Macedonian people would have sat on the side if they were called southern serbians? Do you honestly think that no Macedonian revolutionaries would have started some sort of up rising if they were not recognized as Macedonians but all of you still claim tito gave us Macedonia...what about the old VMRO fighters were they not fighting for Macedonian before tito came along......I never claimed I was Macedonian I always claim the my heritage is Macedonian it just shocks me that people that were born in Macedonia feel this way. You are all pathetic and you should be ashamed of yourselves.....I bet you are all the same people that talk highly of the old VMRO revolutionaries and then in the same breath praise Tito....now ask yourselves this..DO YOU HONESTLY THINK THAT THE REVOLUTIONARIES WOULD HAVE LIKED TITO, DO YOU NOT THINK THAT THEY WOULD HAVE FOUGHT HIM LIKE THEY DID THE TURKS. YOU CANNOT GIVE SOMETHING TO SOMEONE THAT WAS NOT YOURS TO GIVE IN THE FIRST PLACE THINK ABOUT IT THIS WAY YOU LIVE IN A HOUSE I COME ALONG AS THE MAYOR AND SAY I GIVE YOU THIS HOUSE BUT IT IS YOU OR YOUR ANCESTORS THAT BUILT IT NOW HOW IN THE WORLD CAN I GIVE IT TO YOU....I CAN TAKE IT AWAY BUT NOT GIVE IT TO YOU
In Macedonian, your whole post is literaly translated as "Gola Voda". The only answer fitting to your post goes something like this:
The Macedonian consciousness and Nationality as defined in modern terms started to form as such in 1945. Everything that has happened before then although historically important is irrelevant in terms of a Nation, because there WASN'T one before then.
You also dwell on the question of voting for secession from Yugoslavia. Majority of the citizens of Yugoslavia, me included, did not want our country to fall apart. In the course of the breakup, there was only one possible solution: to let the JNA go with all of its weapons, and vote for independence.
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| melpomena |
Canmak ako ti si dozvoluvash da kazesh deka nie sme idioti ja kje si dozvolam da ti kazam deka "choveche mnogu si glup!"
Prvo neznam sho se meshash u vakvi diskusii koga ne si ni ziveel vo Makedonija nitu kje ziveesh. So ogled na toa shto si go pishuval neznam i drugo shto da ti kazam, ednostavno na bilo koj forum sekoj ima pravo da otvara bilo kakov topic, sho te voznemiruva Tito tolku mene navistina ne mi e jasno???
Ti vikam jas vi ja polnene glavata so "kataklizma komunizma" a ni sam ne znaesh shto e komunizam i se shto znaete da kazete e "Ostaj gi niv komunjari se!"
Thunder... Druze Tito Mi Ti se Kunemo![:D][:D][:D] |
| Thunder from down under |
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Originally posted by melpomena
Canmak ako ti si dozvoluvash da kazesh deka nie sme idioti ja kje si dozvolam da ti kazam deka "choveche mnogu si glup!"
Prvo neznam sho se meshash u vakvi diskusii koga ne si ni ziveel vo Makedonija nitu kje ziveesh. So ogled na toa shto si go pishuval neznam i drugo shto da ti kazam, ednostavno na bilo koj forum sekoj ima pravo da otvara bilo kakov topic, sho te voznemiruva Tito tolku mene navistina ne mi e jasno???
Ti vikam jas vi ja polnene glavata so "kataklizma komunizma" a ni sam ne znaesh shto e komunizam i se shto znaete da kazete e "Ostaj gi niv komunjari se!"
Thunder... Druze Tito Mi Ti se Kunemo![:D][:D][:D]
Mimi,
Go interesirashe Canmak ednostavno zosto tito dobiva na glavna strana tamu cel forum a ne Goce Delcev taka ti mu odgovori deka imalo zaGoce Delcev na forumov ama shto? tema a ne cel forum posveten eve citaj
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Originally posted by Canmak
Just out of curiosity why in the world does tito get his own topic........is there not Macedonians worthy of getting topics for themselves......such as the members of the VMRO like Goce Delcev etc
odgovorot mozhi da bide ednostaven a ne basni da mu prodavate na deteto
kazete mu tamu koj deka vashiot odgovor e "koj go ebi Goce Delcev i Makedonija i site makedonci nie si go sakame tito i jugoslavija i ni e maka za jugoslavija a ne za Makedonija
i ke si znaj deteto
i ne e taja pesna shto mislish ti mimi odi zemija ke vidish [:D][:D]
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| OooOo |
abe na kraj kraeva koj i da beshe toj Tito, site go pochituvaa, cel svet go pochituvashe, site predsedateli dojdoa na negoviot pogreb, shto do den denes takvo neshto ne se desilo u svet. A samo izrodi kako vas serea i ushte serat protiv nego.
aj koj ve ebe
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| Thunder from down under |
Kako se naselija shiptarite vo Makedonija ?
I koj im dade aftonomija vo kosovo?
I kako slucajno se pogodija taka da bidat naseleni bash do granica so niv a ne od drugata strana od kaj Bugarija? |
| Thunder from down under |
Koga trebeshe vo Solun da odat partizanite
drugarot gi odnese vo trst da go zemele od italijancite
a tie sho bea protiv namesto vo trst da se odi za solun
bea na lice mesto ubivani, ako pojdea za Solun togahs ke
beshe podruga rabotata sega
ama katolicite si se gledet eden so drug Josip bros hrvatot(katolik) i drugarmu od slovenija isto katolik
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| Canmak |
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Originally posted by BorisVM
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Originally posted by Canmak
And now it comes all clear to me.......I understood why all of you were pissed at me for saying I support NATO.......they bombed the f**k out of the country that you all love[}:)]
Question for you: Why do you think they didn't go in with ground troops? I'll answer it: Because they were scared shitless of the casualties.
Simple boris why throw a right when you knocked the FCUK out of them with your left. There was no need for ground troops....a division of the NATO armed forces clearly won the war....and that was basically the US AIRFORCE. |
| Canmak |
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Originally posted by BorisVM
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Originally posted by Canmak
I would also like to ask the following questions:
3) Tito dreamed about Yugoslavia......the land of the southern slavs.....how come he forgot about the Macedonians that were in greece? If it was truly the land of the souther slavs
Because HE FORGOT about them, they were getting FREE housing, I repeat FREE housing (appartments) when they moved back to Macedonia, while everybody else had to take a loan and buy these appartments.
How could they move back to Macedonia.....they never left Macedonia? Wasn't the other communist countries doing the same with the "Begalsi"? Boris you yourself should know home is home even though you live in Rochester NY you still consider Macedonia Home, Tetovo to be more precise now no matter what Tito abandoned these Macedonians in Greece even though they were still in Macedonian they were not Home....so what he did was try to buy them off plain and simple |
| DJ_SHEMA |
Beshe mnogu vazno Istra da bide Jugoslovenska i toj eben trst. |
| Canmak |
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Originally posted by BorisVM
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Originally posted by Canmak
If the majority of the citizens didn't want it to break up, it would have lasted.....that country was held together from the force of the man that you all worship like a god here....and when his reign of terror ended with his death the people of that country found there voices. In each of the republics that left that union the majority voted to leave with the exception of slovenia( I believe they had no vote to leave the union but there gov't left anyways).
Do the majority of US Citizens want a war with Iraq? Do the majority of EU citizens want a war with Iraq? Do the majority of Canadian citizens want a war with Iraq?
Let them vote then. The war will happen regardles of the "will" of the people.
If it was "reign of terror", nobody will still worship Tito, or have representatives of over 170 countries at his funeral, including your own Canadian government. So what you are basically saying is that your government paid respects to a tyrant? See the fallacy in your logic there?
As the the question of immigration, during the period 1945-1990, people didn't leave Yugoslavia, not because they were forbidden, but because they DID NOT WANT TO. The ones that did, are the laughingstock of the new wave of immigrants, who have totally different outlook on Yugoslavia/Macedonia.
I am the one who should hate Tito, because the communists took pretty much everything that my grandfather owned in 1945. That was half of Tetovo, more or less. But I don't, because I respect a TRUE LEADER when I see one.
The latest Gallup poll that I got off the net shows that the Americans approve military action against Iraq. As for Canadians they will support a war as long as it goes through the UN. The EU..is split I stated that in a previous post I believe....Germany,France and Belgium are against war the others are not
As for Titos funeral it was the cold war.....the balkans were a very important part during the cold war....as for the others that went Tito started the Non aligned countries pact.....so that is why they went but do not fool yourselves and think that the western world leaders went caused they liked tito they went to make sure yugoslavia didn't fall into the warsaw pact
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As the the question of immigration, during the period 1945-1990, people didn't leave Yugoslavia, not because they were forbidden, but because they DID NOT WANT TO. The ones that did, are the laughingstock of the new wave of immigrants, who have totally different outlook on Yugoslavia/Macedonia.
Laughing stock in what way? To tell you all the truth my father likes Tito....he says "if it wasnt for him I would not have come to Canada" As the way I see it the new wave of boaters are the laughing stock.......they come here but they cry for Macedonia....the door is open they can always go back...I see them as parasites that want everything but are not willing to work for it .....generally speaking of course. You see they come here and are not appreciative of the better life they can lead here...they bash the western society....but yet still choose to live here....now you tell me who is the laughing stock
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I am the one who should hate Tito, because the communists took pretty much everything that my grandfather owned in 1945. That was half of Tetovo, more or less. But I don't, because I respect a TRUE LEADER when I see one.
You support thieves? Arent you all crying about the ALbanian thieves in your Tetovo region? Whats the difference? They both stole and yet one you praise the other you want to see killed and to quote you on this "See the fallacy in your logic there?" |
| graf |
Who cares about Tito ??? Do you ppl really care that much for that person ? He was a crazy man with a crazy idea. Bu keeping the ppl under his control he thought he could control them all, just like Mr Bush and Mr saddam [}:)] |