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OK decki, smirete ja topkata . Ima mnogu vistina vo postovite na mnogu. Lesno e nekoj da lae od strana... ama jebem li vas laam od stip , nadvor laat kucinja a bogami preska i fio go isplasiv na telefon :)) Edno samo ke kazam , na narodot vo makedonija jaka mu dusa. Nobelova nagrada od prviot komsija do onoj na isarot treba da dobijat, imaat politika koja gi ebe vo zdrav mozak , (politicari so licni interesi sakam da kazam) , ekonomija na koja zanzibar moze voda da i nosi ali zatoa imaat i fashion tv. edno samo se prashuvam vo celava teskotija i nemastija, deca od 12-13-14 godini so mobilni telefoni i stock u raka. I lani i preklani bilo vaka ali nikogash kako do sega. Ekonomijava i losava politika gi imaat uniseno vrednostite kaj ovoj narod. Situacijava e rezultat na nemastijata. Ali sve na svemu e uzas koj mora nabrgu da se promeni za da idnive generacii osetat neshto malku od ona shto nie go osetivme, a za toa treba da se promeni mentalitetot kaj narodot, koj naviknat na komunistickiov zivot radije bi da sedi i pie kafe ii kuka nego li da se krene na noze. fakt e toa neka mi prostat site od ovde... retki se tie koj se obiduvaat da napraat neshto od nishto ... znam deka e lesno das e kaze ama neka mi prostat site, tito nema da stane i krediti za dzabe nema da se dobivaat. Da mu umre na komsijava kozata ne funkcionira vekje, sega mi stoi deka e "da umre komsijata da mu zemam ovcata." Muabetive koj gi slusam ... Zashto da zavsruvam faks, ko nema rabota? tatko mi me tera da rabotam za 10 000 denari on e lud, ... epa jas se izvinuvam ama ne sum ni jas sigurna ko ke se vratam vo usa shto me ceka... ama ako treba za pocetok i casi ke mijam. mora nekade da se pocne... tato ti izgradil kukja nema povekje. jas znam deka e tesko, i znam deka ne e lesno, i znam deka e se vrski i znam deka se nema uslovi nikakvi ... ama i deka koga zemash 10 000 denari plata mobilen telefon za da mama ti se javi i prasa shto sakash za rucek ne e neminovno sredstvo za poseduvanje, i znam deka bez diesel patiki i levy pantaloni 5to odelenec moze da prezivee. Nekoj ke kaze "ama pa samo toa ostanalO na decava" mozebi , ama jas ko bev dete mnogu povekje se imashe i sepak levyski ne dobiv do vtora sredno . Treba da se izmerat vrednostite, bidejki vaka se gubi samo doverba, se stvara zavist kaj mladive generacii koj pocnuvaat da cenat covek po stho kola i mobilen ima namesto po ona po koe stvarno treba da se ceni. Kriminalcive koj preku nokj se zbogatija nema da dolgo da traat ama koj ke gi nasledi? decata koj se pomalku imaat respekt za profesori, studenti koj zavrsuvaat so vezi , dizelasi ? "ni gi brkaat rabotive od strana"DA... no sepak lesno e da se bara vinata vo drugite treba da se pogledneme i samite sebe neshto mora da ima i vo nas. A ima... vo majka mi koja zema odmor zatoa shto jas sum ovde i nikoj nishto ne i veli... da! ne ja plakjaat dovolno za da se sekira za niv... ali sepak odgovornost nekakva mora da postoi. mentalitetot mora da ni se promeni;ne e se vo mobimak i pristap do nego na petoodelenec, nego toj petoodelenec i negovata idnina... nekoj da ne sednal da razmisli deka mozda smetkive za mobimak treba da gi prekine i trga strana za participacija na detevo na fakultet ko ke treba da ide? ne nego ko ke treba da ide ke se krivi drzavava i ogromnive participacii ; se slagam deka se ogromni ama nikoj da pomisli na alternativa. Sepak alal neka mu e na narodot... trpi ko nikoj drug i pretrpuva neshto koe jas iako porasnata ovde smetam deka nema da mozam da go izdrzam ; askolsun na makedoncive vo mkd. Sporedba so US, AUS i ne treba da se prai toa se drzavi gradeni so vekovi , nie tek pocnuvame, samo morame da se osigurame deka od niv gi ucime pozitivnite raboti a mi stoi ko da se zema najlosoto. Se trkame so niv samo so zbor, i onoj moral, vednost so koja se dicime i se slagam deka vo toa sme donekade iznad niv, denes go gubime. Mi teknuva na ona srpskovo "dodeka srbive jadea so noz i viluska zapad makashe so race" da ama zapad ojde u svemir a nie ostanavme na nozot i viluskata. ne smeeme toa da go dozvolime, a nema da se dozvioli samo ako ne se ignoriraat problemive, i ako prestaneme slepo da se cukame vo gradi.

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Guidance you say? Have you ever tried? It is like beating your head up against a brick wall. They dont want guidance, they want deliverance, but unfortunately, they are too blind to see that the answer to all of their problems and so called misfortunes is right under their noses. They only want to be able to blame someone, and when people from outside of the country try to express their views we are told to mind our own business and that we dont know what we are talking about .... well i am all ears ... lets hear what ails this country ... and maybe we can shine light on the issue. But once again as optimistic as i would like to be, you can not change the nature of the beast [V][V][V]

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Да не ја дрвиме сега колку километри има до Кенгурија(tm) ама за сета среќа си доволно далеку. Ќе нема баш некоја корист да си поблиску. Вежбај тета,барај помош и учи,македонскиот не ти оди...дефинитивно. Туку да те прашам јас тебе нешто,дали ги имаш видено сликите на масакрот што го направија албанците(да им се сотре семето) на македонците кај Карпалак?? Не? Да? И ти кутрата се осмелуваш да кажуваш за соживот и напредок меѓу нас и нив.Нема шанси! Од тој ден ништо повеќе не е исто овдека. Колку мина од вас кенгурите дојдоа доброволно да се борат за Македонија? Имаш некој пример? Абе вие идите овде еднаш на 25 години,како не ви е страм? Не сте способни да ни ја зачувате ни македонската православна вера и црква,грабнавте и почнавте да ја цепите на приватни цркви и попари и да правите бизниси од верата. И не ми попувај ти за мојата крв жити мајка,врела е и јужњачка како што треба и да биде. Имам и нешто друго врело [:D],ама ако те интересира контактирај ме на e-mail. ЦМОКА тета,и свјат dreams.

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It is my understanding that, as the forum is an affiliation of the channel #macedonia, Rule 5. Macedonian & English are the offical languages of the channel, applies. Please correct me if I am mistaken. (Admin, just offering a helping hand, please note the misspelling of “official” in the said rule). IntelInsideR, you are a prime example of the cantankerous, contemptuous and infantile manner which we do not tolerate. Typical, you have no logical argument so you resort to what you know best "INSULTS AND VULGARITIES". In reference to your last paragraph, same was not solicited nor was it warranted. Don’t preach to me about the hard knocks life has to offer. Been there done that. You’re sadly mistaken if you think life has always been easy for us. It is because of these life experiences that I can attempt to offer guidance. Embedded deep in my memory and soul are the beatings which I endured, at the hands of my “strina”, between the ages of 5 and 9, because I either didn’t want to work the “tutun” or wasn’t quick enough “da nizam tutun”. I survived winters with a hand me down “ventijaga”, which was two sizes too small, and the list goes on and on. My father arrived in Australia in 1968 (for which I am eternally grateful) then my mother, brother and myself followed in 1969 (I was 9 years old). We arrived in this country, basically, with the clothes on our backs. Both my parents worked an average of 14 hours per day which meant that at the age of 9 I had to be mature and responsible. Whilst my cousins back in Macedonia were going to Greece, Bulgaria or Turkey for their summer holidays, the responsibility of cooking, cleaning and looking after my brother, who was 5 years old at the time, rested on my shoulders. I have had no childhood which to speak of. We started with nothing and are now, collectively, worth millions. But it didn’t come easy, sacrifices had to be made. I’m forever mindful to the fact that it can all disappear in the blink of an eye. It’s nice to have everything but it’s not a problem if it’s all gone because I have lived and if need be will live with nothing. I live under a cloud of uncertainty pertaining to cancer. I care for my elderly parents-in-law but still find the time to do volunteer work. I overcome hurdles that life deals me not by sitting back and feeling sorry for myself, as you do, but actually doing something about them. Your life is not going to improve by crying “oh poor pitiful me”. As for the churches, it is the vladika that wants to rob and deprive the people. Where was the vladika when money and hard labour was needed to build these churches. I’ve contributed financially and have dedicated a great deal of my time to the church. How often do you go to church, if at all, and what have you done to preserve our religion? Postis ili imas pojma od nekoj praznici?

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Guidance you say? Have you ever tried? It is like beating your head up against a brick wall. They dont want guidance, they want deliverance, but unfortunately, they are too blind to see that the answer to all of their problems and so called misfortunes is right under their noses. They only want to be able to blame someone, and when people from outside of the country try to express their views we are told to mind our own business and that we dont know what we are talking about .... well i am all ears ... lets hear what ails this country ... and maybe we can shine light on the issue. But once again as optimistic as i would like to be, you can not change the nature of the beast [V][V][V]

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Guidance you say? Have you ever tried? It is like beating your head up against a brick wall. They dont want guidance, they want deliverance, but unfortunately, they are too blind to see that the answer to all of their problems and so called misfortunes is right under their noses. They only want to be able to blame someone, and when people from outside of the country try to express their views we are told to mind our own business and that we dont know what we are talking about .... well i am all ears ... lets hear what ails this country ... and maybe we can shine light on the issue. But once again as optimistic as i would like to be, you can not change the nature of the beast [V][V][V]

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Guidance you say? Have you ever tried? It is like beating your head up against a brick wall. They dont want guidance, they want deliverance, but unfortunately, they are too blind to see that the answer to all of their problems and so called misfortunes is right under their noses. They only want to be able to blame someone, and when people from outside of the country try to express their views we are told to mind our own business and that we dont know what we are talking about .... well i am all ears ... lets hear what ails this country ... and maybe we can shine light on the issue. But once again as optimistic as i would like to be, you can not change the nature of the beast [V][V][V]

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The simple version: 1. Average monthly salary (if you are lucky to have a job) $120 US. 2. Average monthly expenses - $150

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Melpomena I have never claimed or professed to knowing how you live or how the masses live. I can only conclude on what i have been personally told by citizens of your country. I acknowledge that your Government/Parliament structure differs greatly from ours. But dont you think we are sick and tired of hearing everyone whine about the problems that you all endure? Instead of the whole nation complaining and the same old, same old "oh poor, pitiful me" why dont you all UNITE and rectify the problems, if you can identify them. I think you will find the main problem lies in UNIFICATION. We cant even seem to see eye to eye on the forum level (and that is not for the lack of trying on mybehalf) let alone uniting a nation such as Macedonia. I am bored to tears of the religious and racial issues that keep rearing their ugly heads. Australia is a melting pot of many races and nationalities but we dont experience no where near the issues that you are all claiming to experience. (operative word "Claiming") What is not welcome from you, and the remaining people that constantly bicker at aus, it the fact that you keep telling us to mind our own backyards, what we are trying to do is understand your hardships and offer some unbiased solution. Instead all we get in return is an insult. I believe the best method would be self-help. If Macedonia and the Macedonians wont help themselves who do you expect to offer assistance?

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zidot razbira neshto? NE ... ne si go gubete vreme da objasnuvate :)

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abe neznam shto ochekuvate og grkofil :) Ne si gubete vreme, ne i odgovarajte na provokacii :)

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Guidance you say? Have you ever tried? It is like beating your head up against a brick wall. They dont want guidance, they want deliverance, but unfortunately, they are too blind to see that the answer to all of their problems and so called misfortunes is right under their noses. They only want to be able to blame someone, and when people from outside of the country try to express their views we are told to mind our own business and that we dont know what we are talking about .... well i am all ears ... lets hear what ails this country ... and maybe we can shine light on the issue. But once again as optimistic as i would like to be, you can not change the nature of the beast [V][V][V]

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Rabotite vo tvojata drzava kako shto se organizirani i vo nashata se dva razlichni poima. Za tvojata drzava znam od shto sum ja chitala organizacijata na politichkiot sistem, za mojata znam i od teorija i od praksa. Ako tvrdish deka tolku mnogu si informirana, prvo i osnovno shto bi znaela bi bilo deka vo Makedonija se zavisi od politikata. Administrativnite rabotnici gi podgotvuvaat reshenijata, no nemaat pravo da odluchuvaat po niv, toa pravo go ima samo Ministerot, Vladata posle Sobranieto. Celata drzava e taka organizirana. Da gi zememe privatnite rabotnici... Ako si chlen na nekoja partija i ako vo odredenoto Ministersto od koe shto treba da dobiesh nekakvo odobrenie ili slichno nemash nekoj poznat, bukvalno nikogash nema da go dobiesh toa neshto- bez razlika deka gi imash potrebnite dokumenti. Taka e vo site sveri na nasheto opshtestvo. E sega bi te pokanila da dojdesh da ziveesh tuka, na ovoj nachin i so nashata prosechna plata, pa togash pravi se pametna i zbori kako nashiov narod si baral "opravduvanja". Jas samo edno kje ti kazam: Ovoj narod ovde e fenomen, shtom zivee so tie primanja!!! A nemoj da mi zborish za "takanarecheni soveti od nadvor", mnogu dobro sum zapoznaena i so toa. Vi kazav vekje ednash, mnogu e lesno da davash komentari od strana. Jas mislam deka najdobro kje bide tie shto ne se zainteresirani za drzavava, i shto ne ni doshle ovde da ne se meshaat t.e. kako samite bi rekle "pomagaat", podobro kje se snajdeme. Vekje zboruvav, deka bev svedok na eden "incident" vo Chicago, kade edvaj se vozdrzav da ne reagiram, i lichno jas se distanciram od takvite lugje. Mojata familija mnogu ima "investirano" (pod ova ne se podrzabira pari) vo ovaa drzava, i da ti kazam nemozam da im "odoleam" na postovite od ovoj tip. Sepak sebesi se smetam za mnogu golem kosmopolit, nasproti Thunder ili nekoi drugi koj "demek" ziveat vo nekoja "posofisticirana" zemja, a se chudam "kaj li go steknale ona shto vie go narekuvate =balkanski mentalitet="?

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mafiskuma, bez navredi ama sega "istropa gluposti". Prvo neznam kako mozesh i da pomislish da dadesh vakvi zabeleshki. Voopshto ne ti se na mesto. Segde postojat, vakvi i onakvi lugje.Vo Avstralija site deca tolku mnogu se fini i kulturni. Brat mi koga se vrati od Avstralija reche: Ne deka tie se mnogu kulturni, imaat zakon koj gi udira po dzep pa zatoa se takvi. Koga vekje spomnuvash vakvi bezvezni primeri i jas da ti dadam nekoj. Ne veruvam deka vo Avstralija chesto decata se nafakjaat da si gi chuvaat starite i iznemoshteni roditeli. Abe ne mi se pishuva reply na vakvi postovi. Spiele, stanale, barale da jadat...[:D][:D][:D] Neznam vo koi drzavi moralnite normi se svedeni na minimalno nivo, ama sigurno toa ne e vo Makedonija. p.s. Mislam deka dosta se objasnuvav so vas, koj saka da se objasnuva so mene slobodno neka mi pishe e-mail ako doagja vo MK, kje go prechekam i kje "mu go kazam filmot" (c) brat mi

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Originally posted by mafisKumA There are children here that also misbehave, but by comparison per capita the ratio is insignificant. As for “Spiele, stanale, barale da jadat...[:D][:D][:D]” perhaps you too are guilty of the same conduct and it’s hit rather close to home so you chose not to comment.

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Originally posted by mafisKumA I gave my niece $300.00 so that she can replace her existing reading glasses for school instead she chose to invest that money in lingerie and a few other trinkets. An acquaintance of mine, rather than repaying his existing debts, chose to get himself deeper in debt by borrowing more money just so he can attend a rock concert in Skopje. When I asked them as to why they did what they did, both replies were “Because I really wanted them/to. To me that’s extremely irresponsible and a total lack of prioritisation. People live way beyond their means like there is no tomorrow. Without sounding self righteous I religiously sent at least $1,000.00, every 3 months, to my aunty so that she may distribute funds, as needed, amongst the family. After reflecting on the abovementioned incidents I’ve come to the conclusion that obviously they are not as in dire needs as they claimed to be and after all I have my own children to provide for.

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Another thing that really infuriated me was that most of the younger generation show a total disregard for their elders and further more for their surroundings I was utterly disgusted when at a bus stop in Skopje children of school age pushed an elderly lady aside just so they can get on the bus to get a seat.

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Another example is I went to deliver an envelope that a friend of mine from Australia sent to her elderly mother. Whilst I was there visiting the elderly lady her granddaughters woke up (keeping in mind it’s early afternoon) from their late night out. Upon entering the room where we were sitting they demanded their grand mother give them something to eat, their exact words were and I quote “babo gladni sne dajni da jadime” with not as much as a “zdravo” to acknowledge a guest in their house, nor was it of any concern to them that this sweet old lady was enquiring about her daughter in Australia, at that point I desperately wanted to say to them “stram da vi e kravi edni cela nojc skitate cel den spiate I sega babavi da ve sluzi” [quote] My coworker is 27, living with her parents (no rent, no bills). Her mom fixes her breakfast and lunch to take to work and dinner when she gets home. She screamed at her parents that they booked a week vacation to the States, because she needs somebody to cook for her. Was on restaurant food for a week and I am sure her parents never forgot that vacation. To this day she tells them how they made her starve for a week. Krava, but Canadian one. It's all in their mentality. Should I generalize that all Canadians are same? [quote]Another thing that I didn’t find amusing at all was a neighbours 3 year old was screaming at the top of her lungs “da ti **** plemeto” whereas her mother found it quite hilarious.

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Kako prvo sama ziveam od nekoi moi 16 god., rabotam, studiram, retko da ima neshto shto nemam prochitano... Zboram makedonski, angliski i albanski, razbiram turski, pishuvam i chitam arapski. Ziveam vo zemja kade mnozinstvoto se pravoslavni, a sum imala moznost da prestojuvam podolgo vo muslimanska i katolichka zemja. I drug pat ne si davaj za pravo da opishuvash karakterni osobini na lichnost za koja nemash ni pojma koja e vsushnost![}:)]

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Originally posted by mafisKumA There are children here that also misbehave, but by comparison per capita the ratio is insignificant. As for “Spiele, stanale, barale da jadat...[:D][:D][:D]” perhaps you too are guilty of the same conduct and it’s hit rather close to home so you chose not to comment.

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Dodushe vo Avstralija samo cvecinja za mirisanje ima. Toa se vika greshka vo doveduvanje na zakluchoci, t.e. generalizacija na problem izveden od premnogu malku informacii. Dojdi malku proshetaj se vo NY, vo Bronx odi pogotovo, pa ce vidish kakov e "ratio per capita". Ne mora ni toa, metroto i vozi se. Za Avstralija ne znam, zatoa ne ni pishuvam. Za takvi shto stanale spiele, ima ne vikam deka nema, ama na forumov teshko deka ce najdesh takov, pa ochekuvaj ushte poostri komentari.

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Originally posted by Legal-Eagle Glorification of the "beauty" of Australia, and the ambivalence toward Macedonia deleted for the sake of clarity One thing that really riddles me, is why do so many "macedonians" want to leave macedonia? Can anyone answer that? Or ... to those of you who now reside in other countries why are you there? What is it that Macedonia lacks that other countries can provide? ... and why cant Macedonia afford you the same opportunities? I wonder if any of you have ever thought about that?

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mafisKumA и Legal-Eagle треба да бидат банирани од форумов.Апелирам до модераторот да ги исфрли гадовите затоа што пишуваат на англиски.Наш нативен (native) јазик е македонски со кирилично писмо. Мислам дека за такви комплексаши нема место на форумов,или вие ој медиокритети научете да пишувате и читате македонски (та нели сте македон(ки)ци?) или одете на некој форум од областа на менопауза или слично. Лесно ви е да дрвите од 4000 км далечина што се треба да се работи овде кај нас а во исто време примате плати од 4000 USD or less,а пази која иронија ние земаме плати од max.400 EUR треба да трпиме шиптари и имбецили како вас. Намерно пишувам на кирилица со надеж дека тетките од USA или од кај и да се нема да ме разберат.Се кладам по кило крв и око за мезе :) дека нема. ОоОоОооОооО (абе никако да запамтам со колку О си :))) ) имаш моја подршка. Албанците и овчарите од Аустралија (мислам на mafisKumA)треба да се забранат со закон. Толку за денеска P.S Im se izvinuvam na korisnicite na Windows 98 koi nemaat podrska za makedonski jazik.

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mafisKumA и Legal-Eagle треба да бидат банирани од форумов.Апелирам до модераторот да ги исфрли гадовите затоа што пишуваат на англиски.Наш нативен (native) јазик е македонски со кирилично писмо. Мислам дека за такви комплексаши нема место на форумов,или вие ој медиокритети научете да пишувате и читате македонски (та нели сте македон(ки)ци?) или одете на некој форум од областа на менопауза или слично. Лесно ви е да дрвите од 4000 км далечина што се треба да се работи овде кај нас а во исто време примате плати од 4000 USD or less,а пази која иронија ние земаме плати од max.400 EUR треба да трпиме шиптари и имбецили како вас. Намерно пишувам на кирилица со надеж дека тетките од USA или од кај и да се нема да ме разберат.Се кладам по кило крв и око за мезе :) дека нема. ОоОоОооОооО (абе никако да запамтам со колку О си :))) ) имаш моја подршка. Албанците и овчарите од Аустралија (мислам на mafisKumA)треба да се забранат со закон. Толку за денеска P.S Im se izvinuvam na korisnicite na Windows 98 koi nemaat podrska za makedonski jazik.

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Originally posted by Legal-Eagle Hmm, so what happened to a country that was so rich in natural resources? There is an old saying ... a captain never abandons a sinking ship ... if you all jump overboard (figuratively speaking) how is the economy ever going to improve? When the going gets tough you all just bail out?

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Originally posted by Legal-Eagle Hmm, so what happened to a country that was so rich in natural resources? There is an old saying ... a captain never abandons a sinking ship ... if you all jump overboard (figuratively speaking) how is the economy ever going to improve? When the going gets tough you all just bail out?

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[quote]Originally posted by Legal-Eagle Hmm, so what happened to a country that was so rich in natural resources? There is an old saying ... a captain never abandons a sinking ship ... if you all jump overboard (figuratively speaking) how is the economy ever going to improve? When the going gets tough you all just bail out?

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Why did your parents jump ship then? Ask them.

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My mother was born in australia, and my father was only 5 when he came here. My grandparents on the other hand made the choice, in doing so, they have denounced their macedonian nationality, they neither preach politics from across the ocean nor do they preach the Macedonian Way to their children or grandchildren, nor do they make others around them feel uncomfortable by going on and on and on and on and on about Macedonia, they bailed due to the fact that australia has more opportunities. The difference between my grandparents and those who are here now, is that they have distanced themselves from Macedonia, they become irritated by those "koj e baraat Makedonija preku okean" That is my point, they are not chest-beaters, or "golemi patrioti" we have ZERO tolerarance for these type of people. they love the new country that has adopted them and the people that made them feel welcome and have never looked back. Having said that, they have been back to Macedonia maybe over 9 or 10 times, not for the "pleasant memories" but they travel to Europe annually. Now do you get my point of view? They dont wont to involve themselves as MACEDONIANS but as humans, and that is a BIG DIFFERENCE!

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My mother was born in australia, and my father was only 5 when he came here. My grandparents on the other hand made the choice, in doing so, they have denounced their macedonian nationality, they neither preach politics from across the ocean nor do they preach the Macedonian Way to their children or grandchildren, nor do they make others around them feel uncomfortable by going on and on and on and on and on about Macedonia, they bailed due to the fact that australia has more opportunities. The difference between my grandparents and those who are here now, is that they have distanced themselves from Macedonia, they become irritated by those "koj e baraat Makedonija preku okean" That is my point, they are not chest-beaters, or "golemi patrioti" we have ZERO tolerarance for these type of people. they love the new country that has adopted them and the people that made them feel welcome and have never looked back. Having said that, they have been back to Macedonia maybe over 9 or 10 times, not for the "pleasant memories" but they travel to Europe annually. Now do you get my point of view? They dont wont to involve themselves as MACEDONIANS but as humans, and that is a BIG DIFFERENCE!

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First of all it's tolerance, not toleRARAnce. Anyway, very "smart" move for a dumbass greek. Kako ne svakjash ne mi e jasno? Toa e celata nasha poenta. Forumot shto ti go moderiraSHE (ne vekje, fala ti bozhe) se vika MACEDONIANS in Australia (NE Australians in Australia). Ovoj cel forum se vika VIRTUAL MACEDONIA (NE Australia), ako ti imash neshto protiv ovoj narod i ovaa nacija, i imash ZERO TOLERANCE kako shto vikash, zashto se vrakjash non stop na forumov? Uporno toa pokushavam da ti kazham, ali nekako ne ti vlaga vo glava nishto. Na ovoj forum se Makedonci, a ne Grchki cigani i Avstraliski hipokriti. Od druga strana mnogu ubavo ja prestavi tvojata familija i drago mi e shto na site im dade shansa da prochitaat i samo da go zajaknat mislenjeto za nashite vo Avstralija.

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First of all it's tolerance, not toleRARAnce. Anyway, very "smart" move for a dumbass greek. Kako ne svakjash ne mi e jasno? Toa e celata nasha poenta. Forumot shto ti go moderiraSHE (ne vekje, fala ti bozhe) se vika MACEDONIANS in Australia (NE Australians in Australia). Ovoj cel forum se vika VIRTUAL MACEDONIA (NE Australia), ako ti imash neshto protiv ovoj narod i ovaa nacija, i imash ZERO TOLERANCE kako shto vikash, zashto se vrakjash non stop na forumov? Uporno toa pokushavam da ti kazham, ali nekako ne ti vlaga vo glava nishto. Na ovoj forum se Makedonci, a ne Grchki cigani i Avstraliski hipokriti. Od druga strana mnogu ubavo ja prestavi tvojata familija i drago mi e shto na site im dade shansa da prochitaat i samo da go zajaknat mislenjeto za nashite vo Avstralija.

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First of all your racist comments are NOT tolerated nor should be! Secondly, my point (which obviously evades you) i have difficulty understanding the patriotism from abroad. If you cannot offer any useful information as to "why it is so" then your posts are of no relevance to me. Obviously you feel somewhat uncomfortable addressing the issue at hand. Any reason why?

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si go prepravila postot :) ali originalot ostana u quote :)

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Ne si vredna za da ti odgovoram na toa prashanje. Treba da me zamolish ubavo.

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Hahaha when hell freezes over! It just illustrates to me your incapacity to intelligently debate a "taboo" topic. You are spiteful and want nothing more than to bring me down to your level. Sorry to disappoint you. Not only have you proved to me that you are a real petty person, you also have demonstrated that you have a major chip on your shoulder. Deal with it. [:(!]

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Глеам доста плоден викенд сте имале :) Мене искрено ме фатила некоја мрза, а и изгубив волја да реплицирам на вакви имбецилни створови... Затоа решив да му реплицирам на ОооОо: 1. Шо ако е стара кока, може створот има у план да биде стара мајка (мислиш дека ќе се најде некој до толку глуп?) 2. Шо ако не може да се најде добри увозни банани, може створот ќе си отвори плантажа 3. Шо ако не е Македонка, створот ако сака може да ти го измодерира глава да не знаеш кај ти е 4. Шо ако се враќа нон-стоп на форумот, толку ли не сваќаш дека и да сака, створот нема кај да оди, тоа и е единствена работа преостаната во животот 5. Шо ако не знае Македонски, јазикот шо она го користи го разбира секое мушко на светов 6. Шо ако нејзините биле Грци и киднале од тука, коа ќе размислиш она е Македонка, пошо самите Грци се Македонци, ама уше не се свесни за тоа 7. Досадно ми е, слабо сеир, ми здосади створот, дајте друго дете... 8. Пишувајте на кирилица!!!

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Sama si prashuvash, sama si odgovarash, sama si donesuvash zakljuchoci za nekoj drugi lugje. Ushte ednash, koj odgovara bez prashanje? MAGARETOOOOOOOOO :)))) Koj e magare? Illegal-Sparrow. Blagodaram na vnimanieto, ne se zamaram so magarinja

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IntelInsideR, you are a prime example of the cantankerous, contemptuous and infantile manner which we do not tolerate. Typical, you have no logical argument so you resort to what you know best "INSULTS AND VULGARITIES". In reference to your last paragraph, same was not solicited nor was it warranted.

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досадна е оваа тема, има поинтересна :)...

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досадна е оваа тема, има поинтересна :)...

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Да бе,навистина има поинтересни теми. Предлагам некој што ја има снимано цела Бушава Азбука на VHS лента,за доброто на сите да и ја испратиме на mafisKumA [:D] Иначе OffRecord (шо би рекла кумата)испитајте си ги Антивирусите со тоа што ќе симнете тест датотека од Symantec.com (се вика EICAR Test String) Значи одете на: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/what.is.the.eicar.test.string.html Ова колку да разбиеме монотонија [:D]

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досадна е оваа тема, има поинтересна :)...

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Да бе,навистина има поинтересни теми. Предлагам некој што ја има снимано цела Бушава Азбука на VHS лента,за доброто на сите да и ја испратиме на mafisKumA [:D] Иначе OffRecord (шо би рекла кумата)испитајте си ги Антивирусите со тоа што ќе симнете тест датотека од Symantec.com (се вика EICAR Test String) Значи одете на: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/what.is.the.eicar.test.string.html Ова колку да разбиеме монотонија [:D]

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Probav da sredam na domasnata komputer, se naprajv kako sto GROBAR imase napisano za XP ama jok nesto “%*&$@!” A deneska od rabota pisuvav, a pa uste to mi fali i komputerive na rabota da gi “%*&$@!”

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Probav da sredam na domasnata komputer, se naprajv kako sto GROBAR imase napisano za XP ama jok nesto “%*&$@!” A deneska od rabota pisuvav, a pa uste to mi fali i komputerive na rabota da gi “%*&$@!”

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Сум испуштил уште еден дел поправено е сега. Треба и во Advanced да се намести FYRO Macedonia и после со лев Alt+Shift се менува помеѓу Македонски и Англиски

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AaaAa, sho ne si zborish na shtipski, da go napraime forumov pointeresen :)

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Ima mislish istomislenici shto plukaat po svojata drzhava? Pa ima, toa ne me chudi deka ima.

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Boris, as displeasing as the contents of that post may be to some of us, sadly they are common sentiments of the majority of the youth in Macedonia.

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So zdravje da odi Kire vojska, go razbiram se jas na 17 godini izlegov od Makedonija i nekolku drugari moi bash togash zaminaja da e branat tuga zemja - jugoslavija Drzhavata nasha ako ne se svesti malce ke ispadni kako eden gipsiran vo glata sho se raspravav ednash na mirc i mi rece vaka "Vas Makedoncite site ke ve ispratime vo Kengurija i Makedonija ke si bide samo nasha"

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So zdravje da odi Kire vojska, go razbiram se jas na 17 godini izlegov od Makedonija i nekolku drugari moi bash togash zaminaja da e branat tuga zemja - jugoslavija Drzhavata nasha ako ne se svesti malce ke ispadni kako eden gipsiran vo glata sho se raspravav ednash na mirc i mi rece vaka "Vas Makedoncite site ke ve ispratime vo Kengurija i Makedonija ke si bide samo nasha"

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Togash tvoite drugari ja branele svojata drzava Jugoslavija, ne tugjata drzava Jugoslavija, nauchi da razgranichuvash malce. A taa drzava Jugoslavija ti pruzila mnogu poveke, eve nekolku primera: so civ pasosh si otishol ti u Australija, so civ pasosh mozelo da se sheta niz cel svet bez vizi? Kolku imalo togash nevraboteni, kolku ima sega? Kakov bil togash standardot, kakov e sega? Kolkavi bile platite, kolkavi se sega? Kolku si bil togash siguren doma i na ulica, kolku si sega?

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this chat is being posted here with full permission from the author Kire ke odi vojska na 16 April vo Dzorce Petrof - da me vidish od nekoja strana ...navistina sum nasmean samo nikoj nemozi da vidi kolku gnev se ima sobrano vo mene poradi ova vojska jas ne odam od toa shto ja sakam makedonija ....nego odam oti vojskata mi e uslov ...uzlov za da mozam ako podnesam dokumenti za da zaminam nekade usa ili england da mozam polesno malce da dobijam viza .. nema nikogash da sluzam vojska deka ja sakam drzavava .... oti ...kolku da mislish pozitivno....kolku i da pravish pozitivni raboti ...tuka vladee negativna energija ...koja shto poleka te ubiva ...i ti dava do znaenje deka nikogash nema da uspeesh tuka .... zatoa jas ke zaminam od tuka ...za moite deca da nemoraat mene da me ostavat ...i da zaminat nekade daleku od mene ...kako shto jas ke napravam ...barem nema da rastat vo nikakva zemja kako shto e ovaa tuka ....ebati drzavata muvlosana abe obaveza sprema kogo .... sprema nekoj shto nishto ne ti pruzil ? a se ti zemal ? abe do koga ke se prajme patrioti ??? za shto ke se prajme patrioti ? za drzavata koja go ispusti Prilep ??? za drzavata koja ne dojde ni na pogreb koga 10 mina od Prilep umrea ...i toa se kaza deka bile podkazani ? da odam vojska da me prodade nekoj na nekoj terorista za 50 000 marki ??? ne me rodila majka mi za toa .... i taa cuclata shto gledav na forumot shto napishala deka imala od familijata vojska neshto ....da i kazam ....deka brat mi beshe gore tetovo ..godina cela ...i site se tresevme koga ke zazvoneshe telefonot da ne ni kazat deka e umren ...da umri za neshto shto vredi ok ....da umiri za da znaj deka deteto ke mu zivee ubavo i slobodno vo red ...i jas bi umrel za vnuka mi da znam deka ke zivee slobodno i deka niz sk ke se sheta kako shto saka ... imat nekoj sto se mnogu cori i nejcat da priznat vistinata demek maz si sea vojska si bil sea mozish da se zenish .. jas nekni so tatko mi se skarav .....oti celo vreme od koga mi dojde pokanata za vojska ...celo vreme e nasmean .. i nekni mi prekisna ...mu velam .. more ...te gledam celo vreme nasmean ..nemoj da se smejsh taka deka ke odam vojska .. jas ne odam vojska oti ja sakam ovaa smrdena drzava .... odam vojska oti oktomvri mesec koga ke zavrsham so vojskata ...odma noemvri ke podnesam baranje za viza ...i zaminuvam od tuka .. samo znajsh shto e fintata ???? shto tuka roditelite znaat deka decata ne se mojcni sami da si obezbedat pari za viza zatoa shto ako jas sakam da zaminam usa da recime na primer .. mi trebaat 6 000 $ USA jas treba da rabotam 9 godini i leb i sol da jadam a nekogash i samo sol oti lebot ke mi se vidi skap vojska 9 $ usa plajka mesecno …. e tolku pari davaat .....pari ako gi smetash tie .. a samo da vlezish vo ambasadata ti trebaat .....90 $ ...usa .. jas site pari da gi shtedam nemozam da zashtedam .. mislam bez navreda ....znam deka ke me razberish i za slednovo ... sekoj shto taguva po makedonija ....jas ...i ushte 50 000 drugi deca shto sakaat da zaminat od tuka ...odma ke mu go odstapime mestoto da dojdat da ziveat tuka ...i da ne gi vleci nishto poveke ...da ziveat vo rodnoto mesto ..mislam deka ova mozi da ti go kazat mnogu mina ... so e to so te vleci ? ulicite shto necinat shto nema kaj da pojdish sega toa shto namesto vlada imame teroristi ? kumce ... primer ...nema da imash pari ....da mu udovolish na deca ...ona shto treba da go imaat da go imaat ...ne ona shto go sakaat ... nego ona shto mu treba .,.. i toa shto go imashe tuka ...sega go nema ... slobodata ... nema poveke sloboda mom ... nema ni da ima .. kumceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ovaa ne e nova vlast ovaa e istata shto ja kradeshe makedonija celi 8 godiniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii i teroristi ima vo vladata istite tie shto gi ubivaa vo tetovo i gostivar i aracinovo i znajsh shto ???????????????????? there will be a war here soon .....again ... u know why .... cuz it has never stoped ...... only they dont tell that on TV!!!! samo shto vie tamu ne ja gledate ima vojna i vojna ednata vojna e na granica se puka sekoj den ama ne se kazuva demek mirno e tuka a drugata vojna .... na vodat roditelite ....decata .....za da preziveat vo siromashtija ...da nahranat 3 deca so 40 $ usa mesecot ....i da platat struja ...voda ....kirija ....nema rabota ...nema pari .....nema ni sabota ni nedela ....ni vikend nishto nema ...sekoj den e ist kako prethodniot .....ovaa e mnogu polosha vojna bez oruzje ... War to survive samo shteta e shto retko koj go razbira ....a drugite od strana ...nemozat ni da go vidat ......ili ako go vidat .. da go razberat ..

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So zdravje da odi Kire vojska, go razbiram se jas na 17 godini izlegov od Makedonija i nekolku drugari moi bash togash zaminaja da e branat tuga zemja - jugoslavija Drzhavata nasha ako ne se svesti malce ke ispadni kako eden gipsiran vo glata sho se raspravav ednash na mirc i mi rece vaka "Vas Makedoncite site ke ve ispratime vo Kengurija i Makedonija ke si bide samo nasha"

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Togash tvoite drugari ja branele svojata drzava Jugoslavija, ne tugjata drzava Jugoslavija, nauchi da razgranichuvash malce. A taa drzava Jugoslavija ti pruzila mnogu poveke, eve nekolku primera: so civ pasosh si otishol ti u Australija, so civ pasosh mozelo da se sheta niz cel svet bez vizi? Kolku imalo togash nevraboteni, kolku ima sega? Kakov bil togash standardot, kakov e sega? Kolkavi bile platite, kolkavi se sega? Kolku si bil togash siguren doma i na ulica, kolku si sega?

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Vo Avstralia sum roden i so Avstraliski pasosh sum dojden tuka. i 1000 pati imam receno i pak ke recam imalo togash zoshto drgarot vash zemal pari od sekade a ne vrajkal i e ostavi Makedonija so losh kredit rating "so kamata od preku 50 %"?i mora Makedonija da vnimava zoshto so takov kredit rating ke zamine vo pogolema siromashtija. Da imashe uslovi Makedonija da zemi kredit od 2-3 milijardi dolari kako shto imashe drugarti na vremeto da mozheshe da izgradi industrija shto e so tek na vremeto da vidish dali ke imashe 35-40% nevraboteni ili 3-4%.

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Ova ti e nekoja placi pi*ka koja kako sto vika Boris "rani kuce da te lae". Vakvite treba da se izbrkaat u IRAK od MK.

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mafisKumA mislam deka zaludno si go gubime vremeto i se raspravame so hmm kako da gi narecham... neiziveani, staro-tradicionalni i beskrajno luge bez svoe razmisluvanje. Zoshto mora da pravam kako shto pravat site? Mislenjeto na ovie luge e mora toa da bide taka oti ke mi se smeat posle. Sho ke reche narodot. Zal mi e shto ne sum se rodil vo nekoja druga drzava. Pred eden mesec so eden drugar pushtame po poshta proekt do FIIOM preku nevladinata organizacija. 30 minuti chekavme da mi vrati kusor od 50 denari, a zamisli se naogame vo POSHTA. I na izlezot od poshtata drugarot mi vika: "Da ti se pomocham na drzavata" Mojata replika beshe "Da ti se mocham i jas na tvojata" Baram mislenje od lugeto za koi pishuvav ovde, sigurno ke se prepoznaat. Pozddrav

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Originally posted by MaCkiCa`
Drzavata nasha ako prodolzi vaka za kratko vreme ke ja nema! Ne e ni do poshtata, ne e ni do toa megju sebe da zborime u stil: ti ne si tuka, jas sum tuka (mada se slozuvam)..... takvi raboti ili primeri gi ima bezbroj kaj nas.... Mnoooooggguuuu mnoooggguuuu dupki treba da se pokrijat, drzavata nema sila t.e. narodot nema mok... Kako prvo nemame zdrav chovek da vladee so nea! Onie sho si otidoa od vlast glupaci nevideni, ovie sega koshtapleri... treti? E treti nema...... Vie shto ste se snashle nadvor alal da vi e, da si sedite tamu i uzivajte si. Sekako deka zalite, ama ne po drzavava nasha tuku po nekoi bliski a toa e ogromna razlika..... tie sho se tuka i sho ke ostanat sekogash ke minuvaat ni ova. I ushte ednash: Drzavata nasha nema da ja ima ushte mnogu! Pozdrav!!!

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MaCkiCa` neznam dali da se raduvam shto ke ja nema ili da se taguva. PrVo ako ja nema mozebi ke bide podobro otkolku shto e sega, a ako ja ima i prodolzi taka kako shto e sega ili da ode na polosho ufffffffffff strashna rabota. Ili pak nema, ke bide dobro, ama ako ne..? Ej zbrikana rabota :)

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kuma, sad, but true. However, boris made a valid point, rani kuche da te lajam (bitolski version) Just ponder JFK's quote ... words to the effect of ... "Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country." Everyone has a tale of woe to tell, but how pro-active are these people in restoring their lives to a higher standard? No government of any country is a charity. Lets not forget, the power lies with the people NOT the politicians

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• Bas mi bese cudno ko ke slusnev sekoj den vo Makedonia se upotrebuvaja angleski zborovi na primer SUPER, ili eve zboroj ti sto upotrebi replicirajne (replication)

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Originally posted by BorisVM
Ima mislish istomislenici shto plukaat po svojata drzhava? Pa ima, toa ne me chudi deka ima.

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• Bas mi bese cudno ko ke slusnev sekoj den vo Makedonia se upotrebuvaja angleski zborovi na primer SUPER, ili eve zboroj ti sto upotrebi replicirajne (replication)

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Зборот "супер" се појавува и во Германскиот и во уште еден куп други јазици, тоа не го прави чисто Англиски збор :)

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