| Сакам да ви се извинувам |
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| DJ_SHEMA |
quote:
Originally posted by IrXr
DJ_SHEMA, I have friends from The Republic of Macedonia. Whenever I speak to them I always do it in bulgarian and what is more important they always understand me.
Can you please tell me why bulgarian is a 'no-no' here?
Because we can not understand your language. If you like to discuss, you are wellcome, but you must obey the rules. |
| amesh |
Strelec, if you mean this book - Henry N. Brailsford "Macedonia. It's races and their future" there is something in the net from this book - an ethnographical map of Macedonia.
[url]http://web.mit.edu/cis/www/mitejmes/issues/200310/MITEJMES_Vol_3.pdf[/url]
Page 7 |
| Strelec |
yep... that's it... and what's the point of your question? you mean, for the ethnographic structure? just read the book and you will find the reasons for drawing maps like that one...
i se obiduvas da najdes vlakno vo jajce? JASNA LI TI E TEBE POENTATA NA MOJOT POST??? toa e kniga pisuvana vo prvite nekolku godini od minatiot vek... toa e kniga pecatena 1906 godina... vo London... Publisher: Methuen & co.
mislite li deka ima prostor za diskusija poveke vo vrska so toa prasanje?
i za vo 1906 godina li ke kazuvate deka Blaze Konevski i Blaze Ristevski vrsele propagandi i izmisluvale nepostoecka nacija??? i za vo 1906 godina ke kazuvate deka nekoj prorok im rekol tamu deka posle vtora svetska vojna kominternata ke izmisluva nekakva nepostoecka nacija???
ehej... toa bilo pred edno celo stoletie!!! razbudete se bratceta...!!!
don't spent your time for nothing...
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| amesh |
I am beginning to think that there are two authors with the name Henry Noel Brailsford who lived at the same time, because from what I've read about him he supports the bulgarian chauvinistic propaganda.
[url]http://www.lib.byu.edu/~rdh/wwi/comment/Brailsford/AP11.htm[/url]
This is his article "THE WAR OF STEEL AND GOLD" about the WW1.
Nearly the end of the seventh paragraph you can read some things about bulgarians and macedonians which seem like a pure propaganda. I would post them here but they would most probably be deleted.
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| Strelec |
ne znam dali se obiduvas da me impresioniras, ili prirodno si taka nadaren da manipuliras...
najmalku sto imav namera e da go analiziram zivotniot pat na Henry Noel Brailsford i negovite stavovi...
smesno izgleda sto se povikuvas na nekoj 'chapter' koj sto raskazuva za prvata svetska vojna... a taa bila da te potsetam od 1914 do 1918 godina... znaci okolu edna decenija posle objavuvanjeto na knigata koja sto ja posociv...
baska sto se povikuvas na nekoj tekst koj sto isto taka govori za podelba na Makedonija posle balkanskite vojni... ova tvoevo se narekuva "samoubistvo od zaseda"...
a najmnogu smesno izgleda sto se obiduvas da go odvleces vnimanieto od knigata na koja sto se osvrnav... i izbegnuvas da dades komentar za toa delo so naslov "Macedonia. It's races and their future", OTPECATENA I IZDADENA VO 1906 godina... i uste ednas da go spomenam paradoksot (koj sto so taa kniga se potvrduva) deka Makedonskata nacija bila nekakva kominternovska tvorba...
don't spent your time for nothing...
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| amesh |
I don't have this book (Macedonia...) but I showed you a map from it and you said that it's fake. Would you please give me some quotations from it? |
| Strelec |
quote:
Originally posted by IrXr
When I go in RM I don't speak in english, I always speak in bulgarian and everyone understands me.
a go razbiras ti Makedonskiot jazik?
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| Strelec |
amesh, don't spent your time for nothing...
ili eve i 'po naski':
ne si go trosete vremeto badijala...
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| IrXr |
That's a lie! And you know it. You understand bulgarian quite well, just like every single person from the R of M.
When I go in RM I don't speak in english, I always speak in bulgarian and everyone understands me. When I say everyone that means the border officials, all service personnal in 'menuvachnitzi', banks, restaurants, cafes, the railway station, the bus station, when I ask the ordinary people on the streets for directions or whatever they also understand me, in the hotels they also understand me, the taxi drivers also understand me, and as I said my friends understand me.
Why on earth you're the only one who has problem understanding bulgarian? |
| sorry |
Смислата на топикот е да кажувам, дека jас не сум знаел и не сум си и представял такива зверства като србските над македонското население. Дадох текст на французин, али оти е на български вие не сакахте да го четете. Еве сега ви давам линк кон македонска страна, с британски дипломатички документ, написан на македонскиот литературен jазик.
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| slasa |
sory jas jne rekov deka ne sakam da go citram - samo tesko da razbiram Bugarski |
| DJ_SHEMA |
Macedonian or English Only. With the next post in bulgarian you will be banned. |
| slasa |
To Brat pukaj ban nekase naucat dazborvat |
| Strelec |
sorry, i'm sorry, ama ne veruvam deka nekoj ke se obide da ti go procita postot...:)
baska sto mene navistina mi e problem za da go razberam taka napisan na bugarski jazik...
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| OooOo |
jas se otkazhav posle minut chitanje :)
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| sorry |
Писал го е французин ако ви успокоява това. |
| OooOo |
ne e vazhno koj go pishuval .. nemozham da razberam pola stvari shto pishuva vo toj tekst
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| slasa |
aj ziti leb napisigo istoto ama na Makedonski literaturen jazik
pivop ke te castram " skopsko i se e mozno " |
| sorry |
quote:
Originally posted by slasa
aj ziti leb napisigo istoto ama na Makedonski literaturen jazik
pivop ke te castram " skopsko i se e mozno "
Моля ви оставете ме да мисля с добро за вас, става ли? |
| sorry |
Еве нешто на Македонскиот литературен jазик
http://www.ilinden.mk/vest_ilinden_meridijani.asp?vest=\Meridijani\Ilinden30.htm
Земано од [url]http://www.ilinden.mk[/url]->меридиjани->БРИТАНСКИ ДОКУМЕНТИ: ПИСМО ОД ДАРЕЛ КРЕКЕНТОРП, ВРШИТЕЛ НА РАБОТИТЕ ВО БЕЛГРАД, ДО СЕР ЕДВАРД ГРЕЈ - 7/30/2003 1:57:19 PM
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| Strelec |
sorry... sorry za muabetov sto ke ti go recam, ama se nadevam deka ke mi ja svatis porakata sto sakam da ti ja upatam...
imame mnogu losi iskustva so prisustvata na mnogu bugari koi sto doagjale i doagjaat na ovoj forum... i veruvaj mi deka site vasi obidi da se razgovara za nasiot identitet i naseto poteklo iritira i nervira... poveke od dovolno bile iljadnicite beletristiki sto se sozdadeni vo predvoena i povoena Bugarija za da se dokazat nekakvi si bugarski koreni na makedoncite... i ako nesto kaj nekogo predizvikuva nervoza i iritiranje, normalna posledica e sozdavanje i omraza kon onie sto toa go cinat...
slucajno do pred nekoj mesec ziveev vo eden grad na atlantski okean (imeto na gradot e Miramichi... inaku indijansko ime) i zaedno so moeto semejstvo verojatno tamu bevme prvite i edinstvenite lugje od balkanot sto nekogas stapnale na toa tlo... i slucajno vo tamosnata biblioteka (vo koja sto i rabotev nekolku meseci) pronajdov edna kniga so naslov "Makedonija"... celata pokriena so prasina... pecatena vo London uste pred edno celo stoletie... i vo koja mnogu detalno se objasneti bugarskite silni obidi za asimilacija na togas mnogu siromasnoto makedonsko naselenie... avtor na knigata e izvesen Henri N. Brejlsford... koj sto inaku bil lekar, ispraten od britanskata vlada i od tie pricini prestojuval nekolku godini na teritorijata na denesna Makedonija... megjutoa ovoj lekar, poveke od hobi, istovremeno rabotel i kako patepisec i publicist...
i sega kako rezime... posto ionaka veke imam napisano dolg tekst, sto obicno gi odvraka potencijalnite citateli, site moi zaklucoci ke te ostavam da gi otkries samiot... istoto vazi i za site ostanati bugarski prijateli koi sto ovde gubat i vreme i nervi za da dokazat deka magareto leta...
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| sorry |
quote:
Originally posted by DJ_SHEMA
Macedonian or English Only. With the next post in bulgarian you will be banned.
Please forgive me, for a moment I forgot that macedonian and bulgarian have nothing in common. |
| DJ_SHEMA |
OK fuck off, you are banned. |
| IrXr |
Strelec, не знам за опитите за асимилация от българите, но знам, дека в Охрид кога германците са искали да им предадат българските войници, които са останали охридчани са ги откупили ('откупили' means that they payed a sum for them) |
| IrXr |
DJ_SHEMA, I have friends from The Republic of Macedonia. Whenever I speak to them I always do it in bulgarian and what is more important they always understand me.
Can you please tell me why bulgarian is a 'no-no' here? |
| MIB |
bquote:
Originally posted by DJ_SHEMA
OK fuck off, you are banned.
DJ_SHEMA, да те баннат манафите и в устата и в анала. Тъпак ! [:D] |
| melpomena |
quote:
Originally posted by MIB
MIB=Macedonia Is Bulgariqn
Toa mozhesh samo da sonuvash[:D] |
| IrXr |
па как да не го разбиррам?!?! не сам идиот да не го разбирам |
| Strelec |
a kako moze da razbirate nesto za koe velite deka ne postoi?
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| amesh |
Of course it exists, who said that it doesn't exist? |
| Strelec |
quote:
Originally posted by amesh
Of course it exists, who said that it doesn't exist?
oficijalnata bugarska politika veli taka...
oficijalnite dokumenti ne se potpisuvaat ako na niv stoi deka se napisani na makedonski i na bugarski jazik...
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| amesh |
Hmm, your information is old, two years ago the government of Kostov accepted to sign international documents in bulgarian and macedonian language.
If you eventually read "Narodna volja" - don't to this anymore to avoid such mistakes. |
| Strelec |
a mozes li da posocis izvor za takvo nesto?
i voopsto, kolku si ti siguren vo toj podatok deka e precizno napisano makedonski i bugarski jazik, a deka ne e upotrebeno kompromisno resenie koe veli deka dokumentite se potpisuvaat na oficijalnite jazici koi sto se upotrebuvaat vo Republika Makedonija i vo Bugarija?
imas li pretstava kolku ima golema razlika od ednata do drugata varijanta?
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| amesh |
No, I have no idea what's the big deal.
quote:
dokumentite se potpisuvaat na oficijalnite jazici koi sto se upotrebuvaat vo Republika Makedonija i vo Bugarija?
What is the official langugage of republic of Macedonia? Macedonian. What more do you want?
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| Strelec |
quote:
Originally posted by amesh
What more do you want?
nothing...
and what about you?
nothing, too?
great...:)
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| IrXr |
Strelec, ногу глупаво прашанье ми поставуваш. Я ти кажах дека разбирам това що викате "македонски язик". Дали постои или не я не сам у можност да кажем, това специалистите ке го кажат, а я не сам специалист.
By the way DJ_Shema, I'm still waiting for your answer. |
| Strelec |
quote:
Originally posted by IrXr
...Дали постои или не я не сам у можност да кажем, това специалистите ке го кажат, а я не сам специалист...
ti ne si specialist, ama eden specialisticki upat mozebi i bi ti pomognal...
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| DJ_SHEMA |
quote:
Originally posted by IrXr
Strelec, ногу глупаво прашанье ми поставуваш. Я ти кажах дека разбирам това що викате "македонски язик". Дали постои или не я не сам у можност да кажем, това специалистите ке го кажат, а я не сам специалист.
By the way DJ_Shema, I'm still waiting for your answer.
Last warrning, if you use bulgarian again you will be banned.
There is no room for debate here. You are all guest and should behave according to the rules that are set on this forum. If you don't like them, leave. You are not wanted here anyway. However, since this is a discussion forum, for a sake of a variety (NOT PROPAGANDA AND ISULTS), you are allowed to stay. |
| Strelec |
Zabelezuvam deka posocenata kniga te zagrizila i ti sozdala kosmari... verojatno ottuka bil motivot da vadis od kontekst recenici od sovremeni istoricari koi sto gi analiziraat stavovite na Henry Noel Brailsford... namesto da ja analiziras samata kniga (da potsetam uste ednas deka e otpecatena vo 1906 godina) vo koja sto stojat nedvosmisleni i maksimalno eksplicitni informacii od toj period...
amesh, don't spent your time for nothing...
ili eve i 'po naski':
ne si go trosete vremeto badijala...
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| amesh |
Ok, here is this book "Macedonia - what went wrong in the last 200 years" - maknews.com/html/articles/stefov_series.pdf
Page 57 of 131:
Here is what Brailsford had to say. "The chef d'oevre of this hellenic campaign was achieved at Zagorichani, a large Bulgarian village (Author's note: Macedonian village, there were no Bulgarian villages inside Macedonia)
Interesting notes, maybe Riste Stefov means that Brailsford was insane or something[?] |
| amesh |
quote:
Originally posted by Strelec
JASNA LI TI E TEBE POENTATA NA MOJOT POST??? toa e kniga pisuvana vo prvite nekolku godini od minatiot vek... toa e kniga pecatena 1906 godina... vo London... Publisher: Methuen & co.
Hi, Strelec, I'm reading this book - "Macedonia - what went wrong in the last 200 years" by Risto Stefov. He says something about Braisford's book:
Henry Brailsford in his book "Macedonia. It's races and their future" describes the Ilinden aftermath in some detail by providing specific accounts of some of the worst horrors penetrated. Brailsford was an aid worker inside Macedonia during the conflict and was witness to some of the accounts in his book. The book is worth reading, as long as you keep in mind that when he talks about bulgarians and greeks he means Macedonian who belonged to the Exarchate or Patriarchate Church |
| IrXr |
Hey DJ, that was not bulgarian. the bulgarian translation of Strelec, ногу глупаво прашанье ми поставуваш. Я ти кажах дека разбирам това що викате "македонски язик". Дали постои или не я не сам у можност да кажем, това специалистите ке го кажат, а я не сам специалист. is as follows:
Стрелец, много глупав въпрос ми задаваш. Аз ти казах, че разбирам това, което наричате "македонски език". Дали съществува или не аз не мога да кажа, това специалистите ще го кажат, а аз не сам специалист.
You have to appreciate my attempts to try to learn (and speak) the macedonian language instead of threatening to ban me.
Come on DJ, spill the beans and you'll feel an enromous relief, you just hate the bulgarian people and everything about them. That's why you pretend that you don't unerstand bulgarian. |