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| ozonce |
vo edna diskusija so eden makedonec (koj vsushnost e grk):
<Ebedoklis> well.. my elder brother studied in Sofia Bulgaria... well I know do not worry
<Ebedoklis> Skopian language = Bulgarian dialect
<Ebedoklis> just trust me I know... haha!
<Ebedoklis> lets keep it out of the main
<Ebedoklis> there are many assholes who swear and such ... do not provoke them
<Ebedoklis> where are you from?
<ozonce> Negotino, Macedonia
<Ebedoklis> if you are from Skopje... well... just talk to my brother... his name is Nigel (he will be able to talk to you in Bulgarian excellent!)
<Ebedoklis> this is a proof i think!
<Ebedoklis> see... we are not any fanatics
<Ebedoklis> we are not enemies of Skopjan people
Na prashanjeto zosho me narekuva skopjanec koga ziveam vo Makedonija, Negotino negoviot odgovor beshe:
<Ebedoklis> how can I say Macedonia about a country which is not even based in Macedonia!
<Ebedoklis> i mean historical Macedonia reached from the sea up to some 40km inside your country ... but the rest of your country was not a part of Macedonia
<Ebedoklis> Skopjan people talk a bulgarian dialect... Macedonians are greek people
<Ebedoklis> its a confusion!
<Ebedoklis> if you believe you are Macedonian then somehow you believe you are Greek!
<Ebedoklis> if you feel Greek I am not against that
<Ebedoklis> but how can you be Macedonian and declare that you are not Greek
<Ebedoklis> do you perceive 'Macedonian' as a geographical term?
<Ebedoklis> or as a nation that derives from ancient Macedonian people (Filippos, Alexandros ...)
<Ebedoklis> (I am Macedonian! That is my place!)
<Ebedoklis> Macedonia is just a place of Greece
go prashav shto e sega makedonec ili grk, odgovorto beshe:
<Ebedoklis> you have Crete you have Peloponisos, you have Thrace, You have Ipiros, you have Macedonia... these are all parts in Greece... Macedonia is one of the most important parts of Greece
<Ebedoklis> macedonia is not a country or a nation ... it is just a part of Greece
<Ebedoklis> your country is another country that borders with Macedonia
go prashav togash koja e ovaa makedonija kade jas ziveam:
<Ebedoklis> and that is why 50-80 years ago the Jugoslavians created that country and named it Macedonia
<Ebedoklis> see... we are not against Skopjan people ... we are against false propaganda... false history which can be used by ...say... USA against greece
odgovor na prashanjeto zoshto go upotrebuva celo vreme zborot Skopjian:
<Ebedoklis> because I cannot find any other name
<Ebedoklis> you say you are Macedonian ... but in the same sense I can say I am Chinese
<Ebedoklis> but I am not Chinese!
<Ebedoklis> I have no problem if you name yourself MAcedonian
<Ebedoklis> if you are pure Macedonians then you are pure Greeks and we are brothers
na prashanjetyo koj e Aleksandar Makedonski:
<Ebedoklis> Alexander the Great is the son of Filippos ... king of Macedonia...Macedonia was a greek kingdom
<Ebedoklis> now you may say that Macedonia was not a greek kingdom right?
<Ebedoklis> if sou say it was not greek then you have to prove it to me ... if you prove it to me I beleive you!
<Ebedoklis> i will believe you!
<Ebedoklis> I love history ... I always try to search the real truth as much as I can
<Ebedoklis> if you prove you are right then I will accept it
go prashav dali moze da dokaze dekamakedonija bila grchko kralstvo:
<Ebedoklis> very easy
<Ebedoklis> 1st: archaiologists have fuond plenty of sites... buildings temples graves .... and everywhere they have greek writtings
<Ebedoklis> there have been found more than 20.000 graves (dating 500B.C. 100 years before FIlippos and Alexandros)
<Ebedoklis> and they have all greek writtings
<Ebedoklis> the Macedonians participated in the Olympic Games (in ancient Greece no foreigner could enter the Olympic games!)
<Ebedoklis> archaiologists are still finding temples graves vuildings coins ...in Pakistan in India... even in western China were some Macedonian troops went (after Alexander died)...
<Ebedoklis> and all they find is Greek Language
<Ebedoklis> these are just a few ... if you want me I can make a large list!
go prashav zoshto aleksandar ne go krstil negovot kralstvo Grcija:
<Ebedoklis> good question ozonce
<Ebedoklis> at that time...
<Ebedoklis> there was no 'Greek country'
<Ebedoklis> Greeks were separated in city-states (like Sparta and Athens and Militos and Suracuses)
<Ebedoklis> in unions of cities like Thessalia and Ahaia
<Ebedoklis> and in Kingdoms like Cyprus Epirus and MAcedonia
<Ebedoklis> so... an Athenian knew he was Greek but he would always say 'I am an Athenian'
prvo pishuva deka site tie dokazi bile pishani na grcki, a posle veli deka ne postoela togash grcja...
<Ebedoklis> a Spartan knew he was Greek but he would say 'I am a Spartan' ... and Spartans and Athenians were enemies
<Ebedoklis> you do not understand... hmmmm
<Ebedoklis> there was no Greek coutry ... with a goverment
<Ebedoklis> as there is today
<Ebedoklis> there were many smaller Greek countries... cities... union of cities and kingdoms
<Ebedoklis> Athens, Sparta, Thessalia, Cyprus, Macedonia, Epirus, Suracuses, Tarantas
<Ebedoklis> these were independent contries
<Ebedoklis> countries
<Ebedoklis> these countries were always at war
<Ebedoklis> a Spartan hated the Athenian ... and the Athenian hated the Spartan ... but they were both Greeks!
<Ebedoklis> When Macedonia rose from a weak small kingdom to a large kingdom ... it beat all the southern Greeks
<Ebedoklis> and united the Greeks to go on campaign against the Persians
<Ebedoklis> of course most Athenians or Spartans did not like that
<Ebedoklis> see... 100 years back MAcedonians were the weakest of Greeks... and suddenly they had all the power! So Sparta and Athens did not like that
<Ebedoklis> Some of them were swearing the Macedonians as being 'barbarians' (which means foreigner)
<Ebedoklis> so today you say that ok... Macedonians were barbarians
<Ebedoklis> (good point... but.....)
<Ebedoklis> the greeks used the term 'barbarian' as a swearing... so ... Athenians would swear at the Militians as barbarians and so on!
mu kazav deka makedonija bila poslebno kral;stvo so poseben narod:
<Ebedoklis> you say that... but I need proof... I gave you muvh proof
<Ebedoklis> so much proof but you are not able to accept it
<Ebedoklis> if Macedonians were another nation ... where is their language>?
<Ebedoklis> why we dig in India and find Greek?
<Ebedoklis> why we dig in Pakistan and find Greek?... in China?
<Ebedoklis> why we dig in Pakistan and find Greek?... in China?
i morav da zaminam |
| IrXr |
mu kazav deka makedonija bila poslebno kral;stvo so poseben narod
And this 'posebno kralstvo' was???? |
| amesh |
Ozonce, why did you post this here, the greek guy has really strong arguments. |
| ozonce |
<Ebedoklis> there have been found more than 20.000 graves (dating 500B.C. 100 years before FIlippos and Alexandros)
<Ebedoklis> and they have all greek writtings
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<Ebedoklis> at that time...
<Ebedoklis> there was no 'Greek country'
amesh daj sega komentar |
| amesh |
Everybody knows that there was no greek country at that time, was that your point?[:D]
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| ozonce |
aj ne ja tupi ebate... |
| amesh |
Ebedoklis explained you well that the greeks were separated in city-states, if you don't trust him check whichever historical book you like;) |
| slasa |
ozon kako ne ti e maka da pisuvas :-))) |
| ozonce |
quote:
Originally posted by slasa
ozon kako ne ti e maka da pisuvas :-)))
koa pisham pisham koa ne pisham ne pisham :) chudno chustvo |