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| f9 |
Ex-Macedonian Diplomat Reveals Who Caused Delays in Recognition
by Sasha Uzunov
Melbourne, Australia
An ex Macedonian diplomat has now revealed that valuable time was lost by politicians trying to gain international recognition for The Republic of Macedonia when it seceded from the collapsing Yugoslavia in 1991.
The ex diplomat, aged 54 and living in New Zealand, agreed to speak on the condition of anonymity. He was recently on a business trip to Australia.
“I hold three men responsible for Macedonia losing precious time and in allowing Greece to block recognition of Macedonia under the name of Macedonia,” he said.
He accused the then Macedonian President, Kiro Gligorov, and Macedonia’s delegate to the Yugoslav collective Presidium, Vasil Tupurkovski, of spending too much time in trying to resuscitate a dying Yugoslavia by coming up with a plan of a looser confederation of six republics: Macedonia, Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia-Hercegovina, Montenegro plus the autonomous provinces of Kosovo and Vojvodina.
“Rather than worrying about Macedonia, Gligorov and Tupurkovski were obsessed with preserving Yugoslavia. It was only when Bosnian President Alija Izetbegovic realised that full independence was the only solution that Gligorov and Tupurkovski concluded Macedonia would be left trapped in a Serbian dominated rump Yugoslavia.”
Slovenia was the first republic to break away in June 1991. The Serbian dominated Yugoslav army, JNA, fought a limited war there and then pulled out. Next was Croatia, and Bosnia, who copped the full brunt of the Yugoslav military for the next five years. Macedonia declared its independence in September 1991, but avoided any bloodshed.
The European Union, lead by Germany, were quick to recognise Slovenia and Croatia’s independence. Greece used its veto to block recognition, despite Macedonia fulfilling the criteria set out by the EU’s Badinter report. Macedonia’s status was left in limbo until a UN brokered deal allowed the new state recognition under the temporary name of “Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM).”
“If Gligorov and Tupurkovski had expended the same amount of energy in getting Macedonia recognised instead of trying to save Yugoslavia, we wouldn’t be in the mess we are in now,” the ex-diplomat said.
“The Greeks had time to begin their diplomatic offensive. This is where I also hold the then Macedonian Foreign Minister, Denko Maleski at fault. He was obsessed with Macedonia gaining EU recognition that he refused advice from his Ministry officials to try gaining support from other countries. By the time he came to his senses, the Greeks had won the diplomatic war over the name issue.
“The last straw for me was when I saw a CNN TV news report of Maleski attending the meeting of Islamic Countries in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia in 1992. He was there to plead for recognition. But it was a case of too little, too late.
“People within the Ministry were jokingly calling Maleski the Sheik, or Denko of Arabia, after British adventurer, Lawrence of Arabia.
“Tupurkovski made matters worse when he pushed the plan to have Macedonia recognized under the name of Central Balkan Republic. This is something he likes to keep quiet these days. Not many people know that.
“It was at this point that I made the decision to resign from the Foreign Ministry. I was just fed up. Deep in my heart I knew that Macedonia had no long-term future. So I decided to move my family overseas for a better life.
“I spent over 10 years as a diplomat in the former Federal Yugoslav Foreign Ministry before transferring to Macedonia’s Diplomatic Service in 1991.
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| Ceki |
Tragicno. I uste potragicno e sto imavme sansa da sme priznaeni pod nase ime, ama ne go izkoristivme to. Ama uste imam nadez deka nekogas ke ne prizanjt svetot i deka ke zaziveeme slobodno. Samo morame da veruvame vo to i da storime nesto, ne samo da cekame. |
| RedAlert |
Najgolema greska napravi togas Kiro FYROMski i vladata na Branko C. so svojata glupavost a mozebi i parichkite bea vo prasanje kojznae!A sega Kiro sheta vo Kanada i drzi besedi za imeto kako ne mu e sram staro komunjariste. |
| Homer MakeDonski |
RedAlert
-"Kiro sheta vo Kanada i drzi besedi za imeto kako ne mu e sram staro komunjariste."
Moze li da najdes kakvi se besedite sto gi odrzuva,sto veli za imeto i kako se utesuva?
Ova od ljubopitnost
Pozdrav |
| Strelec |
Да, нека каже прво тој што знае, па јас ќе ви ја кажам вистината зошто бил човекот во Канада и како му поминувале деновите... Затоа што бев сведок на сите негови јавни средби овде во Канада!
Само се’ ми се чини дека RedAlert имаше намера само да нападне без основа и без конкретна причина... во стилот на сите негови постови на форумов...
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| Thunder from down under |
takvi cigani od belgrad sho go unistuvaat identitetot na Makedonija ,pogolema pricina od toa za da napadnish takvi amin |
| f9 |
Да, нека каже прво тој што знае, па јас ќе ви ја кажам вистината зошто бил човекот во Канада и како му поминувале деновите.
Se znae zoshto beshe tamu-Ja prodavashe knigana svoja "Bjrm na umot" |
| Ceki |
A prvo neka mi kazit nekoj dali e toa vistina deka Gligorov rece deka sme slavjani i deka nemame vrska so Makedoncite, i to vo toronto i mislam deka i zborvese vo UN za ovoj problem. Na sekoj forum kade ke se karam so grcite odma ovoj argument ke mi go kazat. |
| Christian |
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A prvo neka mi kazit nekoj dali e toa vistina deka Gligorov rece deka sme slavjani i deka nemame vrska so Makedoncite, i to vo toronto i mislam deka i zborvese vo UN za ovoj problem.
very true bro, duri kaza deka moze da sme juzni srbi.Komunistickata propaganda epten mu go isprala mozokot. |
| Strelec |
Избегавте во друга насока со муабетов.
RedAlert го рече следново:
A sega Kiro sheta vo Kanada i drzi besedi za imeto kako ne mu e sram staro komunjariste.
И нека каже сега во кој момент од неговиот престој во Канада, каде и како Глигоров држел беседа за името!? И што кажал?
Значи кажувајте си што сакате за Киро Глигоров, но за да можеме да полемизираме за тоа што ќе го кажете, кажаното треба да биде со аргументи... а не да се измислуваат работи и да се вадат од ракав!
Киро Глигоров не шета во Канада, туку пред еден месец беше неколку дена. И не држел никаква беседа за името. RedAlert единствено што слушнал е тоа дека Киро бил во Канада, па му се укажа прилика да го оцрни човекот и не сакаше да ја пропушти!
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| Ceki |
Strelec, nikoj ne go srami ili crni Gligorov. Sam se ocrni za sekogas pred svetot i pred Makedonskiot narod so svoite zborovi. Vakvi luge vo nekoj zemji da ziveat ne smeat, a kaj nas mozat da se i predsedateli. |
| RedAlert |
Jas ne go crnam Kiro nitu pak mozam,bidejki toj e veke ocrnet i kaj makedonskiot narod i pred Boga so svoite predavnicki i nepromisleni potezi vo politikata.No toa e toa otkako so sila go dovleckaa od Belgrad,a ni go pretstavuvaa za ISKUSEN covek i politicar(ova mi e nesto poznato)sto drugo mozese i da se ocekuva!I aj da ne se palis mnogu procitav vo vesnik deka Kiro Gligorov zborel za svojata si knigicka koja verojatno spaga vo zanrot na naucna fantastika,i patem nafrlil i nekolku recenicki za Makedonija kako e toa sveto ime kako e toa anticko ime,kako treba da go pazime.Epa izvini te molam ama kako da ne reagiram na vakva hipokrizija!Covekot sto go prodade imeto sega ne poucuva sto da pravime so imeto.Sramota.Toa moze da pali samo kaj nekoj iselenik so pametenje na vrapche. |
| Thunder from down under |
abe guptin e, crn od majka e roden [:D]
prasajgo strelec ko ke go stretnesh pak
recimu :sho si po poteklo chicko kiro
i koja generacija si makedonec vo makedonija
i kazhi so ke ti recit [:)] |
| Pina |
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Originally posted by RedAlert
Jas ne go crnam Kiro nitu pak mozam,bidejki toj e veke ocrnet i kaj makedonskiot narod i pred Boga so svoite predavnicki i nepromisleni potezi vo politikata.No toa e toa otkako so sila go dovleckaa od Belgrad,a ni go pretstavuvaa za ISKUSEN covek i politicar(ova mi e nesto poznato)sto drugo mozese i da se ocekuva!I aj da ne se palis mnogu procitav vo vesnik deka Kiro Gligorov zborel za svojata si knigicka koja verojatno spaga vo zanrot na naucna fantastika,i patem nafrlil i nekolku recenicki za Makedonija kako e toa sveto ime kako e toa anticko ime,kako treba da go pazime.Epa izvini te molam ama kako da ne reagiram na vakva hipokrizija!Covekot sto go prodade imeto sega ne poucuva sto da pravime so imeto.Sramota.Toa moze da pali samo kaj nekoj iselenik so pametenje na vrapche.
A ti ja prochita li knigichkata. Ako si ja chital kazhi neshto, obidi se da dadesh malku podetalna kritika.
Na vremeto, dojdoa od Sofija da se meshaat vo "Makedonckite raboti". Ednash pred 100-tina godini, napravija Krushevska Republika a ne R. Makedonija, chudno, i ushte ednash posle 40 godini. Sega velish Gligorov od Belgrad, ostanuva ushte Tirana da isprati nekoj.
A pred poveke od 2000 godini so Makedonija vladeeshe najgolemiot grkoman vo istorijata na ovie prostori.
Medalot ima dve strani, za zhal. |
| OooOo |
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Originally posted by Pina
Medalot ima dve strani, za zhal.
Ja medalite gi gleam u profil [^]
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| Pina |
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Originally posted by OooOo
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Originally posted by Pina
Medalot ima dve strani, za zhal.
Ja medalite gi gleam u profil [^]
Sakash dvete strani vo isto vreme da gi gledash he, he, he...
Ama si bil ti "ljisiic" a? |
| dejan |
Dali ste slusnale za ova?
http://www.rferl.org/newsline/4-see.asp
MACEDONIA AND ISRAEL SIGN LANDMARK COOPERATION AGREEMENT
Macedonian Foreign Minister Ilinka Mitreva and Israeli Ambassador to Macedonia Jaffa Ben-Ari signed an agreement on cooperation in culture, education, and science in Skopje on 8 July, MIA news agency reported. The agency noted that this is the first international agreement signed under Macedonia's constitutional name, the Republic of Macedonia. Under Greek pressure, most international institutions such as the UN and the EU have not recognized Macedonia under its constitutional name but as the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM). Talks under the auspices of the UN in New York aimed at resolving the long-standing name dispute are deadlocked (see "RFE/RL Newsline," 17 March and 8 April 2004, and "RFE/RL Balkan Report," 20 June 2003). UB |
| vulgaren |
Poleka - Jas ne veruvam u ova posto grcite bea spremni uste od davna na ovakvo nesto. I oni ukradoa del od Makedonija.
Baska sto se zalite - moze grcite uspeeja nesto ama denes site vesnici, celata medija ne oslovuva kako Makedonci.
Vo celina grcite se zaebaa u gz - baska na nas ne ni se isplati da pregovarame seuste. Imeto oni ke mora da go priznaat za edno 5 godini.
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| Strelec |
Зошто 5 години? А не 1 или 10 на пример?
Или се работи за интуиција можеби некаква и лично чувство?
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| RedAlert |
Koja e taa "cela medija" koga CNN i BBC ne oslovuvaat kako CNN,a od vreme na vreme ne se sramat i da rechat Slavic majority ili slavic macedonians.Se soglasuvam deka poleka se olabavuvaat rabotite i veruvam deka ne vo skoro ama vo nekoe podalecno vreme ke si dojdat rabotite na svoe mesto,no dokolku odigraa podobro i poumno NASHITE(!?0 na pochetokot ke bevme vo popovolna pozicija.A tebe pina ne mozam da te sfatam sto sakas da kazes Sofija-Makedoncki raboti?Krusevska republika-R.Makedonija?Kakov medal?...tuku aj posle odmor ke ti odgovoram:) |
| dejan |
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Originally posted by Strelec
Зошто 5 години?
Deka on e 'Nostradamus' :p |
| vulgaren |
Sto zborite - idite na BBC i CNN i napravite search...sega ponekade ima firom ama sve pomalku. Ponekogas medumite sakaat da napravat razlika pomegi nas i grckite Makedonci - ima i takvi, i dodavaat slavo makedonci. Ama toa sve pomalce se koristi posto im zvuci glupo na strancive ko na primer keltski englez?
Na kraj imeto ke si ostane Repulika Makedonija. Ne e mozno da se promeni. Mozese i polesno ama nie siromasna drzava sme.
Najbitno e deka koga Makedonija ke vleze vo EU nema da ima poveke vizi za nas i granicata ke bide otvorena? Interesno neli? Mislam togas ke se pojavat 700.000 Makedonci vo Grcija? |
| Strelec |
Значи тоа со 5 години беше твоја проценка? ОК...!
Како и да е, интересна теорија која уште ќе рече дека на Македонија и’ одговара Европа без граници, повеќе отколку на другите...
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