Evidence for settling 1,3 mil. OrthodoxTurks in GR
Evidence for settling 1,3 mil. OrthodoxTurks in GR
bitushanec http://dok.uni-lueneburg.de/memory/whoswho/PopulationExchangebetw.HTML as Notes of Eftim Baba, a Leader of Orthodox Turks since 1922 (he did not agree with the Patriarche who sent the Orthodox Turks to Greece): Eftim Baba, Istanbul, Turkey -> was Orthodox Church precentor up to 1913 and since 1914 a priest. He distributed food supplies during the famine in Anatolia. Up to 1918 he was with the government occupied with the affairs of the Orthodox population. After the armistice the Patriarchat of Fener proclaimed the adhesion of the Orthodox Turks to Greece; this decision had been submitted to us but I refused to accept it, considering it as an act of insurrection and I declared the separation of the Orthodox Turks from the Greek Church in 1919. I participated in the revolution of Kemal Pasha and I founded a new provisionary church in Ankara and began to form the religious part of the movement. Definitive separation from Greece was proclaimed in 1922. I remain the Chief of the Orthodox Turks now as in the past. Since 1924 I am in Istanbul.
greek fellow This is very interesting, but you should consider that not all 1.3 million orthodox people were really Turks. They are described as Turks, simply because they were Turk citizens BUT OF GREEK ORIGIN. These 1.3 million people were in vast majority descendants of the ancient Greek colonists of Minor Asia. The Turks called the Greeks "giaur" as you may know.Do no not forget that the Turks themselves called Smyrne (a city in Minor Asia coast and Izmir in Turkish language) as "giaur" Izmir (something like that anyway) and that was because of the city's large Greek population. With best regards.
bitushanec If you search the internet you will find in all the documents following: - Kahramans or Caramasn since ever were Orthodox Turks. Their origin is pure Turkish, a Tatar Nation. - The Kahramans, more than a milion were accepted in Greece in 1922 when Greece counted more than 5.000.000 people as an exchange of muslims and christians between Turkey and Greece. - Most of them were settled in Macedonia. So, now these Turks pretend to be Macedonians? WHat a joke! My fellows "greeks" read about your rooths and your Turkish origin! And now the real Tatars, so called "greeks" call us the Macedonians- Bulgars even we have no single drop of Tatar blood! Notes: Karamans -the turcoman tribes
Ceki Well, well, why am i not surprised. Why the f#&% is world so blind[:(!] I think turkish goverment and turks should do something about that. We BOTH should finnaly sit behind one desk, and clear everything. I think they have a lot of documents from which we could benefit a lot. Interesting reading also here: http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/MacedonianMinorities/AegeanMacedonia.htm But first we also need to wake up ourselves. I am sick and tired of those f#&%ing "Macedonians" that still think we are nothing and unworthy to have our own state. And i f#&%ing HATE those "people" that look on greeks, serbians and bulgarians as if they are GODS and CLEANEST and PUREST nations on the world. I have a little message for them: F#&% YOU STUPID ASSHOLES! You are unworthy of naming yourselves Macedonians. I hope you will burn in hell. Now go suck on a bulgarian, stupid f#&%. Taka na engleski, za da go razberat i tie so ne go priznavaat Makedonskiot jazik[^]
Ceki So e be ova[:0] Zar ne mozete barem da napisete edited by admin, ke mislat jas vaka pisav "F=!"#$".
dejan Ej ke go razberat;) Vistinata gi boli tie gadni, grdi grci! Ama ako veruvat oni vo gospod i ako mnogu se vo religija pravoslavna....togas gospod ki gi kazni! and also what Ceki said, to any Greek-Turkish dick head that comes here. you are permitted to close your mouth and not to speak of flase accusations that you have been telling yourself is right for a lonnnnnnnnnnng time.
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and also what Ceki said, to any Greek-Turkish dick head that comes here. you are permitted to close your mouth and not to speak of flase accusations that you have been telling yourself is right for a lonnnnnnnnnnng time
Ne samo za nimi, ama go mislav ova poveke za tie Makedonci, so mislat, deka nie sme nikoj i nisto, i gi gledat srbite, bugarite i grcite kako bog[xx(]. Najgolema propaganda sirat taka, so se predstavuvaat kako Makedonci a posle sirat nekoj idei so nemat vrska so Makedonija. Pa mislam, deka i na forumov ima takvi luge. Takvi luge lesno se prepoznavaat, i sekoj vtor ili tret post im e protiv Makedonija, narodot ili istorija.
Ceki The point here is that they were not and are not ancient Macedonians! Like modern north greeks claim. But, if they were greeks or turks, i dont care.