| Interesno: Middle Bulgarian, Macedonian... |
| Misirkov |
"...Under these conditions it could not be expected that the language would remain unitary. It took on a distinct local colouring according to the areas in which it was used and the result was the different national forms of "recensions" of Church Slavonic: Bohemian, Croatian, Serbian, Russian and Roumanian Church Slavonic, and Middle Bulgarian [1]..."
[1]This inconvenient term is still the most common to describe texts in Church Slavonic of the Bulgarian recension. Bulgarian Church Slavonic would be prefereble, but for the continying existence of the term "Old Bulgarian" alongside OCS. Macedonian Church Slavonic is now sometimes distinguished from Middle Bulgarian as a separate recension.
R. Auty, Texts and Glossary, "Handbook of Old Church Slavonic Part II," University of London (The Athlone Press), pg. 14.
Za onie sto ne znaat, Professor Auty predava komparativna slavisticka filologija na Oxford i e fellow na Brasenose College.
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I pak se nametnuva klucnoto prasanje dali "Old Bulgarian" ili "starobugarski" e isto so "prabugarski" t.e. jazikot na Asparuh, Omurtag i drugite turko-mongoli dojdeni od Azija.
Sv. Metodija e roden vo Solun vo 815 godina i zboruval "starobugarski" (spored Bugarite)
Han Omurtag e roden vo 814 godina i zboruval prabugarski.
Koj vsusnost zboruval bugarski?
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| IYI-jorovelev |
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Originally posted by Thief
Бачија е исто што и бачило...
Ama az i tova ne znam kakvo e?
Chuvah, che tova bilo mandra po nashemu (bugarski)?
Verno? |
| angomako |
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Много се радвам че като слушам македонци, разбирам че пазят много стари български думи.
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ne se stari bulgarski,tuku se stari makedonski dumi:)
a za pazenje,si gi pazime,nasi se...
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| IYI-jorovelev |
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Originally posted by angomako
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Много се радвам че като слушам македонци, разбирам че пазят много стари български думи.
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ne se stari bulgarski,tuku se stari makedonski dumi:)
a za pazenje,si gi pazime,nasi se...
Извинете, мога ли да ви попитам за една дума която чух "бачия" като какво ще рече? |
| Thief |
Бачија е исто што и бачило... |
| Batbayan |
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contemporary historians call them proto-Bulgarians, ante-Bulgarians, Turko-Bulgarians or other similar names. They used to call themselves Bulgarians and so did the Byzantines and all other peoples who had known of them in those days. It is, therefore, more than appropriate that when referring to them, the narrative herein-after should use only the name Bulgarians. The Franks who had founded the France of the antiquity are, in fact, Germans, and the population there consists mainly of Gallo-Romans whose language is still the language spoken by the French. Nevertheless, French historians have never called them 'proto-French' or the like.
"Starobulgarski" and "prabulgarski" are equivalent. |
| Divider |
Sv. Metodija zboruval makedonski jazik, a Omurtag tatarski. Bidejki velis deka se ekvivalet togas ti si ili tatarin ili Makedonec. Sto si ti?
Jas ke ti kazam: ili si zabudalen tatarin ili si makedonec koj do sram deka zivee vo tatarska okolija ne smee da se iskaze kako takov. Zatoa potajno uzuvas vo diskusiite so nas, onie sto ti gi kazuvaat nestata koi samiot gi znaes, a ne smees na glas da gi kazes od prethodno spomenatata pricina!
Verno??!! |
| Misirkov |
Here is how Macedonian historigraphy "works". We give you a medieval source that mentions Macdonia/Macedonians, or Macedonians and Bulgarians (such as 12 century chronicle I posted)-- and you vaporize.[:D]
Frankly, it seems to me that you have personal issues that concern your national identity. Why else would you come to a Macedonian forum to "persuade" (with the lamest arguments at that) who is who?
Where do you get the idea that we do not have facts and that you need to present them to us? This speaks more about you and your historiography...
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| Misirkov |
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"Staro-bulgarski and pra-bulgarski are equivalent."
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DO YOU KNOW THAT YOU ARE LAUGHABLE?!?
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| Batbayan |
Misirkov, what did I do this time. Why did you delete my reply?
To save this text from being deleted by you I will ask you these questions:
When did present day Macedonia get recognized as an independent country? When was the language spoken in Macedonia recognized as a separate language?
Prabulgarski is the language of Kubrat, the language of the Huns. Starobalgarski is the same language. It begins to be reffered to as Starobalgarski after the Bulgarian state had been established on the Dunabe. Starobalgarski being the middle transition language between the language of the Huns(Prabulgarski) and the modern language of Bulgaria.
Therefore they are equivalent. The prefix "pra" and "staro" simply denote a different time period. Once the prefex "staro" comes in, it denotes the period of Slavonasizing the Prabalgarski language. |
| Divider |
Bre, covek ne moze da bide malku nervozen i malkucka vulgaren, samo malkucka.
Onie lagi go vadat coveka od kozza. ne s eluti, a i mozese da izbrises ona sto e nepristojno, ne sve. Nejse, da povtoram nakratko:
Ao Omurtag govorel na ist jazik kako i Metodij, togas ili dvata govorele arapski ili nekoj laze.
Misirkov, moze li da go povtoram ona an tatarski i arapski ili pak ke bvide izbriseno? Smeam li da potsetuvam tatari na nivniot jazik (prajazik)? Ona na tatarski i arapski ne bese tolku mnogu pogrdno za da se izbrise. bese na moj svojstven nacin dokaz deka ne se vo pravo. ako nekoj kaze deka ne sum ona sto sum, mozam, se nadevam, na negov prajazik da mu odgovoram sto mislam za site niv (kakao pleme). Ili ne? kazi ili prati mi privatna poraka za ponataka. Ne me sfakaj pogresno, odamna me nemase, nemav dostap do internet, ama na ajvar se dozvoluvase malku poveke sloboda, ne zanev deka tuka ne se smee.
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| Misirkov |
Se kazaa vulgarnosti koi go snizuvaat nivoto na diskusijata na forumot. Vprocem samoto nametnuvanje na providni "temi" od strana na Bugaro-Tatarite ja unazaduva diskusijata tuka, a ne pak davanjeto legitimnost so odgovori kon niv.
Nekoj sto tvrdi deka aziskiot bugarski jazik e ist so staromakedonskiot spored mene e lud! Toa e kako da kazes kineski e ist so svahili! A toa upravo go kazuva doticnata individua Batbayan.
Jas licno nemam namera da go obrazuvam. Postiram novi raboti zemeni od istoriografijata i lingvistikata za da vidime sto ima staro-novo. No nema da dozvolam forumot da se pretvori vo mesto za evtino navreduvanje.
Temata bese diskutirana vekje nekolku pati (sto ne znaci deka ne moze uste od drug agol - zatoa i go postirav citatot), pa za Batbayan i ostanatite kje vi preporacam da vidite sto postirav pod tema "Specijalno za Radko".
Pretpostavuvam nekoj kje moze da postira raboti za da gi nadopolnime znaenjata, zosto ova od Batbayan "koj ve prizna prv" nesto ne mi deluva kako relevantno za diskusijata? ;-)
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| Divider |
OK, imas pravo, jas mislev kakom vo "Srekna Nova" so go**arski cevki za ... |
| Batbayan |
Misirkov, it seems that you find too many things irrelevant. When it is written 10 years ago, 100 years ago, 1000 years ago etc. and it is solid facts; I think it is quite relevant!
You suppress facts... I did not break any rule of this foum and yet you chose to delete several of my posts. Why? |
| Divider |
'cause you are a tatar, no need for explanations to tatars, or justifications. satisfied. You are a guest on Macedonian forums yet you speak untruths. Shame on you. |
| Batbayan |
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no need for explanations to tatars, or justifications.
So that is how the present day, so called, "Macedonian" history works. |
| Divider |
As I said, they just do not have a history of their own so they tried to still ours. Now, when we are independent from Yugoslavija, we threaten them by speaking aloud the untruths they have been sreading around. |
| Batbayan |
quote:
Originally posted by Misirkov
Here is how Macedonian historigraphy "works". We give you a medieval source that mentions Macdonia/Macedonians, or Macedonians and Bulgarians (such as 12 century chronicle I posted)-- and you vaporize.[:D]
Vaporized? Let me post as you can post. See who will vaporize. We will simply compare facts. All you have done so far is delete my posts.
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Frankly, it seems to me that you have personal issues that concern your national identity. Why else would you come to a Macedonian forum to "persuade" (with the lamest arguments at that) who is who?
Where do you get the idea that we do not have facts and that you need to present them to us? This speaks more about you and your historiography...
I am not persuading anyone here to do anything. I want you to acknoledge the existance of the facts. That is all. It is not so easy to do when you keep deleting posts.
The only facts that you have are of anient Macedonia. Anything after the 148AD is simple refferals to Macedonia as a region, first a part of the Eastern Roman Empire, then a part of the Bulgarian Empire, then a part of the Ottoman empire, then a part of Yugoslavia. Where was the Macedonian state after 148BC?
Where was Macedonia for the past 2000 years? |
| concrete |
Od dosada dojdov i ovde , koga tuka pak Batbayan so negovite bajati teorii.
Ako bese za air dosta bese
Kaj vi se padobranite, otidov jas i od ovaa konzerva malku vo sloboden let da se provetram !!! |
| nashenec |
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Prabulgarski is the language of Kubrat, the language of the Huns. Starobalgarski is the same language.
Batbayane,
Prabulgarski i Srtarobulgarski nemat nishto opshto.
Nedei se izlaga.
http://www.kirildouhalov.net/language/ezik.html
http://www.bartleby.com/65/bu/BulgarLan.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarian_language
and
http://members.tripod.com/~Groznijat/pb_lang/pbl_1_1.html
http://www.digsys.bg/books/history/proto-bul.html |
| IYI-jorovelev |
quote:
Originally posted by nashenec
quote:
Prabulgarski is the language of Kubrat, the language of the Huns. Starobalgarski is the same language.
Batbayane,
Prabulgarski i Srtarobulgarski nemat nishto opshto.
Nedei se izlaga.
Надявам се да направите компромис за това, че не пиша на Македонски или английски. Но предпочитам да не опошлявам(развалям) езици на които нито мога да говоря нито да пиша, а само що годе(долу-горе) разбирам.Дано и Вие ме разбирате. Но пък пиша на кирилица, уважавана и ползвана от Македонци и българи.
Нищо че съм българин. И аз смятам, че Прабългарски, Старобългарски и новобългарски, нямат почти нищо общо.Нашият език е доста особен. Имаме си славянски, памирски, персийски, гръцки, турски и според някои и тракийски думи. Не споменавам отделно Македонски защото мисля, че древните Македонци са тракийски народ, наследник на бригите известни по-късно като фриги или фригийци. |
| bojan81 |
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Надявам се да направите компромис за това, че не пиша на Македонски или английски. Но предпочитам да не опошлявам(развалям) езици на които нито мога да говоря нито да пиша, а само що годе(долу-горе) разбирам.Дано и Вие ме разбирате. Но пък пиша на кирилица, уважавана и ползвана от Македонци и българи.
Нищо че съм българин. И аз смятам, че Прабългарски, Старобългарски и новобългарски, нямат почти нищо общо.Нашият език е доста особен. Имаме си славянски, памирски, персийски, гръцки, турски и според някои и тракийски думи. Не споменавам отделно Македонски защото мисля, че древните Македонци са тракийски народ, наследник на бригите известни по-късно като фриги или фригийци.
Zdravo, dobro dojde me raduva zosto se poveke gi snemuva onie zlobni bugarski likovi isplneti so omraza, i dadajaat po intelegentni i pametni ludje koi navistina gi interesira istorija. |
| IYI-jorovelev |
quote:
Originally posted by bojan81
Zdravo, dobro dojde me raduva zosto se poveke gi snemuva onie zlobni bugarski likovi isplneti so omraza, i dadajaat po intelegentni i pametni ludje koi navistina gi interesira istorija.
Zdravo, bojan81.
И аз се надевам да стане смислово обсъждане на въпросите (темите), а не да се замеряме со кал и помия. |
| Andon |
Драги приатели пиша ви на езика на който са писали братя Миладиновци и Гоце Делчев.
Много се радвам че като слушам македонци, разбирам че пазят много стари български думи.
Например стан както казвате за апартамент ние казваме че царете живеят в стан. Значи сте царе. Защо не
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