| greeks say: SAMOIL was vourgarios (not bulgar!) |
| bitushanec |
CONCLUSION: MACEDONIANS WERE VOURGAROIS.,...WE MUST FIND OUT WHAT IS IT IN GREEK!
Although Anti-macedonian reald below following text:
Only SKOPIANS and true BULGARS will identify what it was Western Bulgaria with
ETHNIC BULGARS, and the ones killed by BASIL as TRUE ETHNIC BULGARS.
I told you the other day to STOP insisting in defining Basil as a
"BULGAR-SLAYER", he most likely was a MAKEDONIAN-SLAYER and DEFINETELY an
HELLENE-SLAYER since many of SAMUEL'S soldiers were from LARISSA and they were
forced to serve under him.
You write about "the Theme of Bulgaria" and the "Theme of Paristrion" and
yet.........you are failing to understand the ETHNIC DIFFERENCES between the
two of them.
Today's Bulgarians are painting as THEIRS anything happening in Western
Makedonia, when they know very well that the ETHNIC name of Bulgars-Bulgarians
had nothing to do with the PROFESSIONAL name of -Vurgars-.
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anotherL:
You must be a new one in here. Not only they disappeared from BOTH sides, but
it appears that the Bulgars had an entire industry creating and planting such
stones all over Western Makedonia.
Liakos wrote about it, I posted in here on different occassions, but just for
the heck of it, why not try and answer to me about the following (from
Keramopoulos book "The Hellenes and the Northern Neighours" Athens 1945).
"In Moesia (Bulgaria) the word -vourgarios- was well known to the Hellenes in
there or to those hellenophone Thracians. This is attested by an hellenic
inscription from 202 A.D. found in TSAKARLAR in Bulgaria between Philippoupolis
and TAZAR-PAZARTIK, and laying in the museum of Sofia:(1)"
Keramopoulos talks about the inscription and note (1) states as following:
1) First edition to be found "In Bulletin de correspondance Hellenique XXII,
1898, 472-520 . Kalinka, Antike Denkmaler in Bulgaria 34 Dittemberger, Sylloge
Inscriptionum Graecarum, 3, edition number 880, line 51.
Now......a friend visited Sofia's museum about 6 months ago, such inscription
does not exist in there, was he right or.......the inscription was taken to be
"polished" one more time?
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| noname |
quote:
Originally posted by bitushanec
CONCLUSION: MACEDONIANS WERE VOURGAROIS.,...WE MUST FIND OUT WHAT IS IT IN GREEK!
Although Anti-macedonian reald below following text:
Only SKOPIANS and true BULGARS will identify what it was Western Bulgaria with
ETHNIC BULGARS, and the ones killed by BASIL as TRUE ETHNIC BULGARS.
I told you the other day to STOP insisting in defining Basil as a
"BULGAR-SLAYER", he most likely was a MAKEDONIAN-SLAYER and DEFINETELY an
HELLENE-SLAYER since many of SAMUEL'S soldiers were from LARISSA and they were
forced to serve under him.
You write about "the Theme of Bulgaria" and the "Theme of Paristrion" and
yet.........you are failing to understand the ETHNIC DIFFERENCES between the
two of them.
Today's Bulgarians are painting as THEIRS anything happening in Western
Makedonia, when they know very well that the ETHNIC name of Bulgars-Bulgarians
had nothing to do with the PROFESSIONAL name of -Vurgars-.
---------------------------------
anotherL:
You must be a new one in here. Not only they disappeared from BOTH sides, but
it appears that the Bulgars had an entire industry creating and planting such
stones all over Western Makedonia.
Liakos wrote about it, I posted in here on different occassions, but just for
the heck of it, why not try and answer to me about the following (from
Keramopoulos book "The Hellenes and the Northern Neighours" Athens 1945).
"In Moesia (Bulgaria) the word -vourgarios- was well known to the Hellenes in
there or to those hellenophone Thracians. This is attested by an hellenic
inscription from 202 A.D. found in TSAKARLAR in Bulgaria between Philippoupolis
and TAZAR-PAZARTIK, and laying in the museum of Sofia:(1)"
Keramopoulos talks about the inscription and note (1) states as following:
1) First edition to be found "In Bulletin de correspondance Hellenique XXII,
1898, 472-520 . Kalinka, Antike Denkmaler in Bulgaria 34 Dittemberger, Sylloge
Inscriptionum Graecarum, 3, edition number 880, line 51.
Now......a friend visited Sofia's museum about 6 months ago, such inscription
does not exist in there, was he right or.......the inscription was taken to be
"polished" one more time?
So?
Where's the conclusion here? The funnies thing here is the year 202 A.D. when the Bulgarians even did NOT existed.
BTW did you chek the greek lettre "GAMMA" in capital lettres - is it "Г" (just maybe[;)])?? |
| Divider |
...The Bulgars were an ancient people with a disputed land of origin. Some say they are from the Volga region in today's Ukraine and Russia, while others claim that they originated from somewhere in central Asia around the Pamir. The Bulgars eventually emigrated to today's south-eastern Ukraine. In 632, Han Kubrat united the Bulgars and formed a confederation of tribes, known as Great Bulgaria, or Bulgaria Magna, with a capital at the ancient city of Fanagoria. When Great Bulgaria broke up after the death of Han Kubrat, his sons took their own tribes and travelled elsewhere. Han Asparuh and his followers migrated into the Balkans, where they merged with the local Slavic, Thracian inhabitants. Eventually they were overrun by the native Macedonians and driven into enclaves on the shores of the Black Sea...
kill yourself biaitch |
| noname |
quote:
Originally posted by Divider
...The Bulgars were an ancient people with a disputed land of origin. Some say they are from the Volga region in today's Ukraine and Russia, while others claim that they originated from somewhere in central Asia around the Pamir. The Bulgars eventually emigrated to today's south-eastern Ukraine. In 632, Han Kubrat united the Bulgars and formed a confederation of tribes, known as Great Bulgaria, or Bulgaria Magna, with a capital at the ancient city of Fanagoria. When Great Bulgaria broke up after the death of Han Kubrat, his sons took their own tribes and travelled elsewhere. Han Asparuh and his followers migrated into the Balkans, where they merged with the local Slavic, Thracian inhabitants. Eventually they were overrun by the native Macedonians and driven into enclaves on the shores of the Black Sea...
kill yourself biaitch
Take in mind I simply don't care about the protobulgarians who were YOUR relatives in Bitola and Prilep, Tetovo and so on.... but NOT ours in WESTERN Bulgaria - such people were NEVER here. Not a SINGLE source mentions protobulgarians west than the Shumen region - 750 km. from where we came from! But sources DID mention such a people in todays Macedonia (sorry).
I care only did you chek what means "Г" in greek language? |
| Divider |
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World Map - Map of Europe - Bulgaria
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Bulgarian is the official language in Bulgaria and it is spoken by 8.5 million people. Bulgarian has two main dialects. The eastern dialect is used as the literary language.
Bulgaria was ruled under the Ottoman Empire for 500 years until 1878. Bulgarian survived in the countryside while the language was heavily influenced by the Turks, Macedonians, and Romanies (Gypsies) in the cities. The language situation in Bulgaria is rather complicated.
About one million people in Bulgaria speak Turkish.
At present, the Macedonians are spread out over Yugoslavia, Greece, and Bulgaria. About 250,000 Macedonians live in Bulgaria, and speak Macedonian. It is used only as a spoken language. It is similar to Bulgarian.
The language of the Romanies is called Romani, and is used only as a spoken language.
There are large amounts of loanwords in Bulgarian especially from Turkish and Greek. People try to avoid using them when writing, but they survive in the spoken language. The vocabulary is also influenced by Russian.
Do I have to post this everywhere so you'll just vanish? Speak turkish stupid so you'll be understood!! As for the Macedonians: ben turkce bilmeim!! Got it from google, you now what that means, do ya!! |
| klamer |
quote:
Originally posted by Divider
..from the Volga region in today's Ukraine
No comment. |
| Divider |
quote:
Originally posted by klamer
quote:
Originally posted by Divider
..from the Volga region in today's Ukraine
No comment.
http://www.ling.gu.se/projekt/sprakfrageladan/english/varldskarta/eng-bul.html
Shapshal tatarski!! |
| Batbayan |
I saw that some of you have said that there were no Bulgarians settling in the region of Macedonia, all of Macedonia was/is populated by Bulgarians.
The population in the land of present day Macedonia has been Bulgarian since before 680AD.
quote:
They split the Bulgars into five hordes. Kubrat's firstborn son, Batbayan {or Bayan} and his horde, remained on the coast of the Sea of Azov, and were later integrated into Volga Bulgaria. Kuber led his part of the Bulgars first to Pannonia and then settled in Macedonia, eventually they were absorbed by the Bulgaria of Asparuh {or Isperih}. Altsek {or Altzek} disappeared into service under the Lombards in Italy. Many place names and towns are of Bulgar origin. Even today the traces of Altsek's horde are obvious in Italy. {Speaking of Bulgar traces!} Two of the five hordes, however, had even longer and more impressive futures:
Tsar Samuil was Bulgarian. There is no question about that. All the facts and proofs point to that, regardless of wether the sources are Bulgarian or not. |
| dragon |
Kiss my behind!! |
| Batbayan |
quote:
Originally posted by dragon
Kiss my behind!!
That's what the Serbs have thought you, huh? |
| dragon |
No, that what Divider thought me in case a tatar started talking bull. |
| Batbayan |
No bull here, only the facts! |
| dragon |
Shite then, when he gats back from :На кратка пауза поради префорсираност, he'll kick your ass. I'm here t kep an eye for arses like you. Sod off.
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| Christian |
quote:
only the facts!
koi facts be? bandera da bese ke razberese. More debil. |
| Batbayan |
Christian, go here www.google.com and type South Eastern Europe Historic Atlas. That would be a good start. |