| Macedonia & Australia |
| n/a |
hi, ill write this in english for those of you who can understand because my macedonian is not good.
now a little about myself,
iam macedonian by birth, born in skopje, i migrated to australia at a very young age and have since only been back to visit skopje once.
My visit to skopje shocked me in many ways especially in living standards. It was in a big way a cultural shock for me.
The differences in australia and macedonia are uncomparable, the system is completely different and the people here are very different. Macedonia seems to embrace alot of corruption both willingly and morally. I found that once people figured iam from australia they were only after getting on my good side in order to leach some cash off me. Even taxi drivers who i didnt know, tried certain tactics to get more money off me by speeding up the taximeter while i wasnt looking, or not bringing a taximeter at all, anyway this is only a minor impedance.
what really bothered me is that if you wanted to work there, you could not, simply because the economy is a catastrophe. living standards seemed to be quite poor in my opinion, the notion of flats and living on top of one another doesnt give you any privacy. i cannot understand why flats are so popular?? there is room for houses, yet no one builds them, the general gist is to live in a flat like everybody else. the roads in ohrid, skopje and any town for that matter were extremely bad making travel hard.
people behaviour was one thing that bothered me the most, most people i talked to there were openly rude to me and expected me to swallow it. people were very ill mannered, and especially in driving, i dont remember one time when a road rule was obeyed.
i dont see how an economy can improve if it has not matured, macedonias level of maturity leaves much to be desired. an example of this is when you want to rent a car or rent an apartment in ohrid for example. i noticed the prices were increased considerably once they realised i was a foreigner, so much that it was more expensive than renting an apartment in some places on the gold coast.
the residents there have this idea in their head that just because your from australia you must be rich! THIS IS NOT TRUE, if you are not well off in macedonia it is because of your lacking desire to work or your inability. People seem to think that once you goto australia, you are richos and you owe the people in macedonia your help, now tell me why would i help them? they dont want to work, they dont work, and furthermore they demand money off me as if i HAVE to give, my money earned here is through alot of laborious hours that no one in my opinion can appreciate in macedonia.
prostitution runs rampant on the streets, its probably as common as bread is. I read earlier on this forum something about the macedonia diaspora owing the macedonian people their help? this is ridiculous, who ever said this is an idiot, they have no idea how hard life can be here, and why should i give away my hard earned money to someone who is probably a corrupt politician and will keep it all forhimself to build a house in florida, (i.e LJUBCO GEORGIEVSKI). now you may say that if i dont help then we may lose our nation and we'll be a nationless people? well then why dont you, the people living in macedonia contribute something instead of just complaining about life.
my advice to anyone who plans to migrate to an english speaking country: dont think its going to be easy, you can only be successful if you work hard not if you live in a western country. there are many macedonians here in australia who work as labourers their whole lives and hold the same amount of assets they would have had if they stayed in macedonia. but to those of you who are very willing to migrate, and have the opportunity to do so with a desire for work, then go for it. this kind of attitude does come along very rare though [:(] |
| Great_Macedonian |
forgot, you said 19. i study history and politics at ECU.
Anyways, dont worry about divider, the guy somtimes doesnt know what he is talking about himself, but somtimes he writes very smart and interesting things. |
| Divider |
Aus-MK, I've been to Australia, worked in Papua, Georgia, USA, Botswana, Madagascar, Western Europe and some other odd places (mainly dungholes). I've been persecuted for my writings in the papers in macedonia, organized demonstrations against the corrupt governments, earned enought money to retire, but I'm still working, back in Macedonia, trying to improve, spending my money here in order to help (in my own small way), doing my best. Also, I hav ean uncle in Sidney, famuly members in new Zealand, USA, UAE and France, they all contribute to Macedonia. They all went poor, worked there and are investing back in their true homeland without shitting on her. My family is very patriotic. I've had many chances to stay abroad and love comfortably but decided to go back and again work for the benefit of the Macedonian people and Macedonia whatever the cost. So, as this is a forum and an open one you can say whatever you want, but don't tell me how good Aussieland is or how shitty Macedonia is. macedonia was great and will be again. It takes time, a lot of it, but eventualy it will be again great. Something Aussieland can never be. Remmember the two suitcases your parents took, they hold all your history. Keep them, cherish them. They'll show you the way home. Or let me say, the true way home.
P.S. It is called the lucky country due to the fact that it existed and the criminals were sent there instead to Tybern or to the gallows. It was a place where people went not to get executed for their crimes, had the oportunity to start again, work and prosper. Lucky country-paradise for british criminals!
Senkjo for your attention |
| mafisKumA |
guys, great debate but please watch your p's and q's, thanks
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| Great_Macedonian |
Divider malku imas greska, vo avstralija ima najmalku ubistva, a i kriminalot vo cela avstralija e pomal od edno tetovo ili edna naselba vo los angeles.
Thunder, fair enough the macedonian government has not made the diaspora "welcome" in macedonia for many years back, meaning it has not made it easy for macedonians from abroad to invest in the country. However though, it is also very sad that people always asume that if you invest or donate to macedonia, "it will end up in someone's corrupt poket".. which is what your suggesting isnt it??
Let me ask you this Thunder.. If you open ahhh say.. Chicken Factory in macedonia.. or icecream factory, whatever.. tell me how is the government going to take your money?? Your business your profit!
Uste drugo nesto sto sakam da napomenam e deka, ne e problemot vo toa sto "makedonskite politicari se predavnici".. mnogu od niv bile golemi makedonski patrioti, ama koga stanale politicari, koga dobile vlast, togas gi zaboravile vrednostite na zivotot, od toj moment tije stanuvaat 'predavnici' vo ocite na svojot narod bidejki tie pocnuvaat da ja izkoristat svojata visoka funkcija za svoi licni interesi. Retki se politicarite koj ostanuvaat cesni i koga ke dobijat vlast. poznata vie govorkata "power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely"- neznam tocno kako se vikase covekot sto go izjavi ova, ne mi teknuva vo momentov no ova pogovorka e vistina. |
| n/a |
quote:
Originally posted by f9
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-how can ljubco afford a house in florida
+Questionable statement used in black-painting of former primeminister. Lj.Georgievski have promised publicly that whoever have prooved that he and his family have in posesion house in Florida,he Ljupcho Georgievski vill give to him that house in possesion.Up to today no one have claimed that house from Ljupcho.
By the way,you dont understend that there are reason for everything,you should not be autsider in your wiev but active thinker.Action and reaction and flow of time are not your best side.
/Edna bibliotekarka od Delcevo kupi pred nekolku godini na Vodno zemjiste so kuka.Kukata ja srusi i pocna da se pravi palata...
Bibliotekarkata moze da e od familijata na Ljupco.
F9,kukata mozes da ja zemes ti,jas se otkazuvam [;)] |
| Thunder from down under |
quote:
Originally posted by Divider
but first, look in your back yard. Australia, a country where all the petty criminals were sent, where the scandals are big and many (the abuse of kids and child pornography etc). Australia, where there is still segregation, violence, murders (daily) and thefts (hourly).
there is no daily murders in Australia and abuse of kids,mate
out of all murders here half are done by the police shooting at crazy people and the other half is done by the underground mafia between them self
the kids in Australia have everything they can ever imagine
only 2-3 minutes walk in any direction you like ,you will find a park for the kids to play etc...
spoiled yes
abused ,nope |
| Thunder from down under |
quote:
Originally posted by Divider
[P.S. It is called the lucky country due to the fact that it existed and the criminals were sent there instead to Tybern or to the gallows. It was a place where people went not to get executed for their crimes, had the oportunity to start again, work and prosper. Lucky country-paradise for british criminals!
that is not the reason why Australia is called lucky country [:D] |
| Canmak |
quote:
who shot who, man?
the man from melbourne had a gun and shot someone?
Well what happened was Graf and myslef where on the Express Way between Resen and Ohrid......Graf was infront of me in his car and he kept on farting and all the smell kept on coming back to my car.......du tuka mi dojde (points at the forehead) so I passed him slammed on the breaks and made him stop as well.....we get out of the car and we start arguing.......he says it was the selo we were in.......and I was like sure man the selo smells this bad....and he was like no for real man its the selo......and then he farted again so I shot him.......but only in the leg......he can still dance an oro after some physical rehab.[:D][:D][:D]
Aus Mk I used to say the same thing and everyone used to jump on me here.......but sega znat oti jas bev mnugo mnugo mnugo mnugo right...they are all my friends now and they will vote for me when I start the Korvaskata partija in Macedonia.........our slogan is going to be : KOGA VI EBVAME KE ZNAJTE.........I of course will become dictator for life......Thunder is going to be the minister of breasts in Macedonia.....he will make sure that they are all a nice size and shape and have the perfect "Ford" bounce[;)].......I will get you to become the minister of the enviroment that protects teh nude beaches of Macedonia |
| mafisKumA |
vo sekoja edna drzava i vo sekoja edna rasa lujge imat i dobro i loso
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| achtung_panzer |
quote:
Originally posted by f9
+ dont remember one time when a road rule was obeyed.+
You drive on the wrong side in AUS... |
| n/a |
Tie sto vlozile vo TAT se samite vinovni za zagubata.
I mnogu pobogati banki vo svetot nemaat takvi kamati,kakvi sto imase
TAT na vremeto.Zdraviot razum ponekogas te predupreduva.
Za "whatever the name was" nemozam da kazam...
Procentot na stranite investicii e eden od najniskite vo Evropa,a cim nema pari nema obrt na sredstva i se stoi.
Za politicarite mozam da kazam deka se "cuma i kolera i sekoja druga bolest" sto mozese da ja snajde Makedonija.Treba da go pomineme procesot na "natrupuvanje na kapital" pa da ocekuvame deka nekoj ke pocne normalno da raboti.Vo bogatite zemji na vlast doaga nekoj koj ostvaril veke nesto vo zivotot,a kaj nas doagaat takvi so dvosobni stanovi i velosipedi,a si odat so kuki na Florida i milioni po svajcarski smetki.I ke rece nekoj platite bile slabi kaj nas...
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| f9 |
-why does macedonia have such a high rate of migration out of the country?????
+Good question,and where are you have been in the last 100 years?On Mars?
-the country is riddled with inefficiencies which are eventually doing much hurt to the people as a whole
+100% TRUE!
-how can ljubco afford a house in florida
+Questionable statement used in black-painting of former primeminister. Lj.Georgievski have promised publicly that whoever have prooved that he and his family have in posesion house in Florida,he Ljupcho Georgievski vill give to him that house in possesion.Up to today no one have claimed that house from Ljupcho.
By the way,you dont understend that there are reason for everything,you should not be autsider in your wiev but active thinker.Action and reaction and flow of time are not your best side. |
| Divider |
Macedonia has always been a land riddled with problems. The week ones, the ones not deserving to carry the name Macedonians are the ones that actively or pasively worked against the prosperity of the Macedonian people and the country. The strong ones, the true Macedonians never hesitate(d) to work, fight or die for Macedonia and the wellbeing of the people. Those ones resent the implications in your posts. We are aware of what is wrong, we know what needs to be done and we are working on that. Even God worked 6 days to create the world. It takes time and effort, something we willingly give everyday. So, inseatd of bitching and moeaning, instead of accusations, propose something constructive, work for the benefit of others, help in the fight for prosperous and stabile Macedonia. Or shut up. There is a choice, always. it is up to the individual to make one. The easiest is to walk on the white line in the middle of the road, but the most dangerous one because you don't know which way the car that will hit and kill you will come. Pick a line, choose a way. Help or don't, but first, look in your back yard. Australia, a country where all the petty criminals were sent, where the scandals are big and many (the abuse of kids and child pornography etc). Australia, where there is still segregation, violence, murders (daily) and thefts (hourly). ETC. You see, not all is dandy in your back yard. It is easy to rand and ramble. Try to improve something and you'll see how hrd and demanding it is.
The glass on which is written Macedonia is not half empty and getting emptier (even though sometimes it looks like that), it is half full and getting fuller (minutely, but still).
Macedonia was great and will be again. Australia was a penal colony. Beware, it may become again!! Bu dunja charki felek, ashkolsun chevaraane: Svetov e trkalo, braos na onoj sto go vrti!!
"What was, may well again be, what never was, may or may not be, but the achieved greatness in the past will surely be!" - saying from the Mitra excrepts!!
G'day mate! Awarya! Asta luego! |
| Divider |
Koga ke naucat deka ne e sekoj za na forum!! Da ibes amme, ne biva. Sednale da plukaat po Makedonija. Ako ne vi se dopagja ne doagjajte, sedete si tamu kaj sto ste, uzivajte. Nie ke se snajdeme kako i dosega: BEZ VAS!!!
Makedonija moze, mora!! Sekoja dobronamerna pomos e dobredojdena, sekoj onoj koj pluka i gazi e nepozelen!!
Makedonija na Makedoncite (onie vistinskite)!! |
| n/a |
Ne e voopsto vazno dali ima vo Avstralija korupcija ili nema.
Vo Makedonija ima korupcija i toa e fakt.No,so ogled na celata ekonomska situacija,razbirlivo e sto doaga do korupcija i drugi slicni devijantni pojavi.
Aus-Mk,sepak mislam deka malku popesimisticki si gi doziveal rabotite i gledas na Makedonija.
Jasno e deka ne sme na toa nivo,no tolku dolgo deka ke ni treba za da se popravi situacijata,ne sum ubeden.
Sledniot pat odi da uzivas i opusti se,nemoj da pravis komparacii...imame mnogu raboti sto se odlicni i nikade gi nema
P.S. Divider,batka,sekoj ima pravo da kaze sto misli i da go dozivee na svoj nacin.Toa sto go napisal,dokazuva deka sepak ne mu e seedno kako e vo Makedonija |
| Strelec |
quote:
Originally posted by Divider
...Nie ke se snajdeme kako i dosega...
Aman nemoj kako i dosega!:)))
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| Divider |
Dobro de, ne kako dosega. Imas pravo, ako e kako dosega si plakavme majkata.
Alex, ako ne mu e seedno, anmesto da frla drva i kamenja po Makedonija, neka pomogne. Najtesko e da zapnes i pomognes, najlesno e da kritikuvas, a ni so malo prste da ne sakas da pomognes.
Isto taka, se slozuvam, sekoj ima pravo na svoe mislenje, kakvo i da e. zatoa i se narekuva diskusija, sekoj da iznese svoi gledista.
I starite rimjani rekle: de gustibus et coloribus non disputantum!
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one!!
P.S. Ima baaaad english, treba da go podobri ako saka da postira na angliski. In any case, there are people that love Macedonia and people that pretend to do so and arses that hate Macedonia.
I love my country, that is why I came back. To try my best to help, not to bitch and moan! Salud |
| n/a |
dejan, if your not going to bother with this thread then dont post.
divider, im trying to help is all that im doing, by pointing out the truth(you must first recognise the errors before you can deal with them), what annoys me is when no brainers like sapeski starts dictating the atmosphere in a negative way.
im not putting macedonia down, im simply saying it as it is, and many people on this board simply cant understand the truth.
why does macedonia have such a high rate of migration out of the country????? the country is a natural beauty people should be flocking to it not away from it! the social life is unique and id say theres no place like it anywhere else
its a select few within, that is the biggest problem of all. the country is riddled with inefficiencies which are eventually doing much hurt to the people as a whole,
for instance why doesnt the mk govt push albania to recognise its macedonian minority? why doesnt it atleast give them aid, theyre all poor to the point of existence.(and by the way this is what divides macedonians from each other, when one macedonian betrays another)
how can ljubco afford a house in florida and various places throughout europe when half the population is living below the poverty line? how can branko crvenkovski have the nerve to meet with the macedonian diaspora and tell them to support the albanian diaspora in america?? (by the way he was considered persona non gratis for that, that is banned from being at any macedonian diaspora communities)
i think that the general gist to qualify for a macedonian politician you must be able to lie and be corrupt?(like other countries.. but much much worse for those who will quote me on this relative to NYC or any other place).
to those who are telling me im wasting my time here posting, your right i probably am, because this is a messageboard over the internet and wont eventuate to anything.
but im doing this because im just trying to help, if people are going to critisize me then so be it, i beleive in what i say to be true and no matter what anyone says i am a macedonian to the bone.
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| Great_Macedonian |
quote: Smashing_baby
I really don't give a damn about corruption..What's bother me a lot it's that there is no efficient system that works properly in any sector at all. <-- stop contradicting yourself. Kako prvo treba samata da znaes deka korupcijata e taa sto stvara ne efiktiven sistem, zakonot na edna drzava ne moze da funkcionira ako postoi golema korupcija.
As for you Aus-Mak watever your name is, i will write to you in english since your macedonian is "not good".
Listen here we both live in Perth. Lets not compare Perth, or australia to Macedonia, im speaking in terms of hygiene, economy, infrustructure, urbanization, political situation, prosperity, opportunity.
Do not ever compare the two nations. You wanna compare macedonia, compare it to a richer version of itself. Compare it to Italy, Slovenia, compare it to countries like that. Australia can only be compared to countries built on simmilar basis as itself, say america and canada, also new zealand.
I just wanna point out to you that the apartments in macedonia are built in very modern ways. They arnt built using red bricks like some of the shitty apartments in Australia.
Another thing id like to inform you on is this: When you are a tourist, in almost every country on earth you will be taken advantage off if you are not fammiliar with its souroundings. My brother resently went on a tour to america and western europe. He told me that in Holland and France he always got ripped of by Taxi drivers for been a foreigner, and when he told them that they are ripping him off, they didnt deny it, they just said 'if u dont like the price get out'.
When you speak of people in macedonia as been "rude".. let me inform you on a little secret. Its called 'Balkan mentality'. Do you obviously think that the macedonians in australia are any different?? Mate i have also grown up in Australia, but unlike you i am very fammiliar with macedonia (i go back there every few years and i also studied years 8 and 9 over there). Some of the biggest known 'seljacista' from the most 'skapani' villages have emigrated to Australia. It is people like these who came to Australia (or america) a few decades ago, and still dont speak english properly, that preach to their children that macedonia "is a third world country without any toilets".
The problem is not macedonians in macedonia. The problem is the macedonian mentality, no matter where you live. The macedonians in macedonia are not lazy people, you cannot claim that they are lazy. Its not their fault the country has not given them an opportunity to work for a living. You stated yourself that there are no jobs in macedonia, so dont contradict yourself by saying "nobody wants to work".. its not that they dont want to work.. its that they cant find a job that will actually pay them.
To all those idiots that would kiss a carpet in australia, they are just pesimistic loosers that turn their back on their own country.
Unlike you, i believe that the macedonian diaspora is very much to blame because it has done FUCK ALL for macedonia.
Most macedonians outside macedonia are specialists at competing against eachother at whois gonna build a larger house (and then spend all their lifetime paying back the morgage) and whois fridge has more 'pivo and meso' in it, and who owns a better car.
We, macedonians in general, in and outside of macedonia.. we are a type of peoples who spit on eachother, are jelous of eachother, and dont like to help eachother. So before you go blaming macedonians in macedonia for the problems there, turn to your dad and ask him what has he, with the money he has made in australia, what has he done for macedonia? has he invested in macedonia? These are the questions the macedonian diaspora should be asking themselves. Instead of spitting on our native country macedonia, and turnning our back on it, we should start contributing to a better Macedonia.
However though, most of the people in macedonia severly lack one thing which doesnt need money to improve. They only keep their houses clean inside while they dont give a rats arse if the grass outside their house or flats is 2meters high and full of shit. This is typical of the macedonian mentality which implies " i care about my own home, i dont give a fuck about anything around me ".
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| Thunder from down under |
quote:
Originally posted by Great_Macedonian
, with the money he has made in australia, what has he done for macedonia? has he invested in macedonia?
mate, are you for real [:D]
Boris Trajkoski koga beshe dojden vo Melbourne pred nekolku godini, se moleshe da investiraat nashive tamu!
tie taka kradat sho nemat pari ushte ako imat ke se ispotepet [:D]
i would love to invest in Macedonia,but i just dont trust them
lots of people did start to invest and they lost all of their money
(TAT-BANK)or whaever the name was |
| deni |
batka or dude , macedonia even though is not rich ,it is a great society . me mrzi da pisham na angliski ,aj kolku ke razberesh tolku . I vikash nema privacy u fletovite ? lol beton gi gradi da ti eam kako moze da nema privacy . ne e toa faken australiska kukja da prdnes u podrum se slusha do treti sprat .
australia , usa , kanada da , se razlikuvat mnogu od makedonia .they all suck balls. toa sho go ima u makedonia go nema nigde(great social life) .Ne si izrasnal u makedonia zatoa ne ja cenish ,dzabe govoram.
the only thing that sux is the economy , ama ke ja oprajme za edno 50- 60 godini .
Strumica zakon!
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| Thunder from down under |
good post AUS
regarding the people behavior, you might have mistaken it for rude
example: kaj si be peder? it is not rude at all
it is same as if someone said to you how are you going mate |
| n/a |
deni, the economy at this rate it will never improve.
ill estimate a good 100 years atleast to even get 60% of australias level. that type of economy is enough for me anyway id probably come back their to live permanently if this happens while im still alive (no matter what im always a migrant here in aus).
now to macedonias economy:
too many problems are occurring, some of these are political problems with greece and ethnic albanians, what if greece imposes another embargo on trade in the case of the name dispute heating up again? ethnic albanians and macedonians dont live with each other, they live seperately, macedonia is slowly a failing multiethnic state.
when i talked about peoples behaviour as coming along rude i wasnt talking about simple stuff like kaj si be peder
i was talking about people in general acting above me because iam a foreigner, is that any way to treat tourists??? nearly all of macedonias tourism comes from its iselenici, that is your own brethren. while i was there i heard on the news about a melbourne macedonian who got into an argument while driving, he got out of the car and shot the other driver, this an example of how many aus macedonians feel.
i know for a fact that many macedonians here in aus will never visit again because of the treatment theyve received, one guy in particular went there to live, when he came back here he kissed the carpet and said hes never going back..
im not saying i would never go back, i love the place i was born there skopje is my hometown. if the people dont treat me good then ill go there to visit my birthplace atleast, and yes the social life is great there, people can enjoy themselves every night, here in perth the social life is dead even in summer.
my point is if macedonians keep treating their tourist brethren like they do now, this can only be bad for macedonia. |
| sapeski |
quote:
Originally posted by AUS-MK
i know for a fact that many macedonians here in aus will never visit again because of the treatment theyve received, one guy in particular went there to live, when he came back here he kissed the carpet and said hes never going back..
No, we don't need you to come back, we only need you to donate 10$ for the flag. It's that simple.
quote:
Originally posted by AUS-MK
im not saying i would never go back,
Why would you, anyway? |
| n/a |
sapeski, dosta so tvoj glupost, me zamaras mnogu.
lesno e da kazes deka zivotot na mk e dobro koga imas amerikanski dolari vo dzeb.
your ignorance is annoying, you remind me of a seljak from delcevo
insincerely yours |
| Thunder from down under |
quote:
Originally posted by AUS-MK
while i was there i heard on the news about a melbourne macedonian who got into an argument while driving, he got out of the car and shot the other driver, this an example of how many aus macedonians feel.
who shot who, man?
the man from melbourne had a gun and shot someone? |
| angomako |
pa ima infrastruktura,ima obrazuvani lugje,znaat jazici za razlika od bugarija,grcija,isl...
ne se glupi lugjeto....samo falat uste sudovi i pomalce korupcija,i sekako opvekje pretpriemacki duh.
i iskrena ljubov na politicarite kon svojata drzava bez ekonomski interes.
so 2milioni,moze mestovo brzo da zazivee,zasto mislam ima se sto treba,osven nadez i dobra volja:(
dobro,gi zaboraviv brakjata:)
da gi nemase niv,sega kje bevme najverojatno bez vizi i 2007 kje cekavme za vlez u evropa...ama eh... |
| angomako |
sakam da kazam deka populacijata na makedonija e kolku edno predgradie na melburn...ili new york,ili bilo koj golem grad.
sekakva komparacija so tolkavi mesta e bez veze.
a inaku se slagam,vo makedonija sendvicite idat po nagorna linija...a i burekot e bolji nego li sto bese pred 10godini:) |
| sapeski |
AUS-MK, makes me very happy to see that you are so conseared about latest Macedonian economy, flat-privacy and social lifestyle. Please, do not hessitate at all, I assure you that you rather be conseared about your current living country than some third world tiny little state on the world map, for you. Again, there are a lot of things that you CAN'T and WON'T understand, about the things you mentioned above. I'd say, those makes the macedonians the happiest of all.
Sincerely,
Andronik |
| dejan |
aus-mk, you remind me of the author of Macedonia - a bradt travel guide, she enjoyed the country (i guess) but it appeared that she was insulting the country in a subtle way, too subtle.
You seem to have the same attitude towards Macedonia as most Macedonians do in Australia, 'i won't go back and live, why should i give them money?!' something i find wrong about Macedonians in Australia, they would not be willing to help another fellow Macedonian even if he was dieing, and their country. Trust me, i've seen it happen many times, Macedonians here would rather help someone else than a fellow Macedonian.
To make Macedonia a better place, more Macedonians would have to go back and live there, so that person who found Macedonia too rude to live in, and then he kissed the carpet back in Australia, was probably acting like some seljak bragging about how much he has in Australia i don't know what else. Well guess what, i once heard a story of a young Macedonian teenager, who left Macedonia with his family to live in USA or Australia, he couldn't cope in that country, he just couldn't, so his family decided to go back, and when they did, he was then kissing the ground when he went back to Macedonia.
who cares if the taxi driver was charging you more, just say 'sto mislis bre ti? deka jas sum glup?!' same thing happens in italy, japanese tourists are charged more. i wasn't charged more than the original price in Macedonia, i asked for a glass of water once in a restaurant that i was passing by, and i told them that i was from Australia, i wasn't charged for water.
I didn't see any rudness directed towards me when i was in Skopje, you talk about how you were offended in Macedonia, what about Australia? Have you ever been offended in Australia? Racially discriminated? Well i certainly have, and i gather that the majority of foriegners here have too.
I think it would be better, that if you have the money, that you worked so hard for, better to give it to some people in Macedonia who are in a greater need, would you give money to people in Africa? This is the same attitude nearly all Macedonians exhibit here, 'E zosto da mu pomognam! A? Zosto!'
And i agree, it is difficult to move to an english speaking country, especially if you have to start from a spoon and a fork. |
| anamarija |
nemam komentar samo se iznasmeav "I vikash nema privacy u fletovite ? lol beton gi gradi da ti eam kako moze da nema privacy . ne e toa faken australiska kukja da prdnes u podrum se slusha do treti sprat ."[:D]aj pozdrav do nasite pecalbari vo Avstralija[:D]Thunder ubava kola ona plavata(sinata de)[:p] |
| n/a |
za tije sto vikat deka tuka vo avstralija ima korupcija, neznaete.
makedonija se polosuva, i ova se ubrzuva.
but in the end none of these things will stop me from going there on holiday.. just a shame to see alot of these things.. (i.e greed, prostitution, poverty, etc) |
| sapeski |
quote:
Originally posted by AUS-MK
but in the end none of these things will stop me from going there on holiday
Next time, please try Fiji. However, don't bother with Macedonias powerty, prostitution and corruption...Go check the tax deduction pension and medical plan on your pay check. |
| graf |
abre za malce ne sum na fourm and odam Canmak mi zborit ehhehe. Abre Jas sum back !!! Oh yeah baby. No 1 Maso vo Queensland :) OP PA HE HA HA |
| n/a |
sapeski in case you didnt know im still young..
and for your sake please grow a brain and stop posting here.. i mean come on your just embarrassing yourself, your pathetic in every way seljaciste |
| Divider |
Great, odamna nemalo ubistva vo Tetovo kolku kaj vas, normalno ima pomalku od nekoi drugi mesta. No, sepak, i kaj nas ne e tolku crno kako sto AUS-MK prikazuva. Sekoj moze da pisuva sto saka, kolku saka, kako saka, a toa da ne bide vistina. |
| Great_Macedonian |
"power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely". Historian, Lord Acton (1834-1902).
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| Great_Macedonian |
Divider.. ajde kazimi ti od kade si slusnal za tolku ubistva vo Avstralija?
Eve na primer da ti kazam eden fakt, jas ziveam vo Pert, ovoj grad ima milion ipol ziteli. Zaedno Cela Zapadna Avstralija ima isto tolku ziteli kolku Makedonija. Vo Zapadna Avstralija prosecno ima 2-3 ubistva godisno. Vo Makedonija do 2001 godina imase prosecno 40 ubistva, a sega taa brojka e duplirana i iznesuva 80 ubistva godisno. I toa vo drzava od dva miliona ziteli. Cela Avstralija ima 20 milioni ziteli pa nema nitu 20 ubistva godisno, i aj sega sporedvi.
Sepak sum svesen deka mnozinstvoto ubistva vo makedonija se mejgu albanski bandi koj se lovat eden mejgu drug.
A za Tetovo, mozebi nema mnogu ubistva sega, namesto 25 godisno sega ima 15 godisno, i toa samo zasto policijata sedi nastrana i gi ostava kriminalcite da kradat i da maltretiraat koj sakaat se dodeka ne ubijat nikogo.
Sepak Tetovo e drug svet, ostanatiot del od Makedonija, so isklucok na Skopje, moze da se kaze deka e dovolno bezbeden. |
| n/a |
ok then divider, if you are someone who would 'die for macedonia' tell us all what youve done there?
have you been involved in politics? charities? helping your community in anyway at all?
by the way dont give me that shit that ive done fuckall, cause my parenst came here with 2 suitcases and a few hundred dollars.
this threads about immigration in the first place, not how big a macedonian you are.
great macedonian, i agree with the chicken shop example to a certain extent. it would be hard to set up a shop because to get a permit in the first place needs a few bribes here and there and alot of money on your behalf, making it not even worthwhile to do it. my uncle in skopje owns a construction company, to get a permit to begin construction of an apartments building, he has to deal with threats from the government, gangsters who dont want to pay, hes actually got a law case thats been going for over 10 years now, and this isnt the only one.[B)]
divider, this is a forum, your meant to discuss things, do you want me to discuss how to improve the situation? how about someone rich starts a fund in skopje to improve living standards for the poor? or maybe if a politician whos dedicated to helping macedonia for once was put to the task of it instead of idiots like Branko crvenkovski, ali ahmeti and arben xhaferi, by the way this recent government has an ex NLA warlord in the position for agricultural minister, he was the one that shut off the water valve to kumanovo for 55 days.
but change that simply wont happen in my opinion, its the balkan mentality at work here, like great macedonian said, people there dont give two shits about anything thats not theirs, i.e. greed and corruption come from this.
and again divider, have you ever been to australia to say that theres alot of crime here?
yeah theres a decent amount but your exaggerating it, think about why its called the lucky country and then get back to me on that one. [8D] |
| Great_Macedonian |
aus-mk how old r u n wats ur name.. i might know u? |
| n/a |
Igor, devetnaijset godini |
| Great_Macedonian |
which school do you goto?? my name is Dame |
| n/a |
mate i dont goto school.. i study at curtin |
| Great_Macedonian |
send me a reply in my inbox |
| f9 |
Eh pak nemalo,a ovoj sin mu na glavniot policaec sho go sudat,za sho go sudat....ako ne za korupcija.Koga gi fatija ovie Seksualnive manjaci,toj gi predupredvel odbranite...kako zashtita im bil i za toa ne se znae koja suma ja zemal...
Da ne zborvam deka site kontrakti ovde se podmachkani.Site do eden.Eve imaj ti pari pa vlezi kako goltar vo biznis pogolem,-nemash shansi zash se e podmachkano.Tie shto go moshat toa ni na kraj pamet nema da se pozhalat.Sekade e isto,samo shto ovde se rabotit za mAAlku pOOgolemi sumi. |
| graf |
it is everywhere. pa that is the best export of macedonia :).
Look at all the cleanning contacts vo Australia hehehe |
| Thunder from down under |
quote:
Thunder is going to be the minister of breasts in Macedonia.....he will make sure that they are all a nice size and shape and have the perfect "Ford" bounce[;)].......I will get you to become the minister of the enviroment that protects teh nude beaches of Macedonia
my office will be in Strumica [:)]
speaking of cars Canmak, the aussies got this Ford Falcon XR6 Turbo now and it 300KW from factory and its 6 cilynders and only uses 13L/100KM,there are some kits than you can push it to about 500KW
i will find some photos of it,so you can see it |
| Thunder from down under |
in purple they look sick , i cant find any picture in purple
[img]http://www.acay.com.au/~jbartok/Vic_MarkGTO.jpg[/img]
[img]http://us1.webpublications.com.au/static/images/articles/i16/1613_7mg.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.acay.com.au/~jbartok/Vic_MarkGTO.jpg [/img]
[img]http://home.austarnet.com.au/wessling/falcon3jpg.jpg[/img] |
| f9 |
+shocked me in many ways especially in living standards
-Gi shokirat i Makedoncite vo Makedonija,gi shokiralo i porano,pa zatoa i ti si tamu kaj shto si...
+to embrace alot of corruption both willingly and morally
-Sekoja zemja pa i Australija vo ekonomska kriza go ima istoto,ne e specijalnost Makedonska.
+in order to leach some cash off me
-A shto pravat Salesman vo Avstralija,razlikata megu niv e shto ednite se legalizirani,a drugite na crno ?.Ili nemash iskustvo so salesmans koga kupvish kuka ili factory seconds...
+if you wanted to work there, you could not
-It bothers not-> you,but Macedonians in Macedonia.
+ cannot understand why flats are so popular
-Price is om Metar square,and price is right for Flats,Lugrto nemaat pari ni za flats,a kamo li za kuki...koj imaat cena so poskap metar kvadraten.
+there were openly rude to me and expected me to swallow it.
-Ne beshe sekogash taka,ochigledno e deka dolgotrajnata kriza ostavi posledici na odnosite megu lugeto,iako mislam deka vo dobro drushtvo i denes mozhesh da se najdesh.
+ dont remember one time when a road rule was obeyed.
-Lugeto mnogu pati do sega svatile deka ke propadnat ako gi" Obeyat rulovite"Pravilata ja gubat smislata ,koga opstanokot e vo prashanje i avtoritetot na avtoritetite nema vazhnost.Vozenjeto e samo edna kocka vo mozikot na nepochituvanje na pravilata.Mislam koga ne se pocituva ustavot i se menuva po zhelba i so sila ,shto ostana za pravilata za vozenje...
+i dont see how an economy can improve
-It is not only you,but I think economy will improve when law is enforced with zero tolerance for deviations and fast law decisions.
+i noticed the prices were increased considerably once they realised i was a foreigner...
-It is obvious that you havent expirience in traveling,it is not speciality of Macedonia.If they can get hold on your money,they will.You are stranger with money,so be carefull.Go in Tailand or Philipine and you will find same.I find same behaviour in Australia...
+just because your from australia you must be rich!
-Of course you are rich...for Macedonians in Macedonia.
+ if you are not well off in macedonia it is because of your lacking desire to work or your inability.
-Totaly questionabile statement.Most rich and well off people are with not att all merit for that.If this statement is true Macedonia should havent crisis.
+prostitution runs rampant on the streets, its probably as common as bread is.
-It is something what most of the people in this forum dont know jet.They dont know Macedonia like that.And it will be shocking expirience when they find what have come with Macedonia and Macedonians in last 3-4 Years.
+macedonia diaspora owing the macedonian people their help?
-I canot see anybody else in that position.Diaspora help is only help what they can get.It is not only money,I think it must be more than that.
+you can only be successful if you work hard
-dont lie,Succes is in clever buisines...not in Wollongong stillworks. |
| dejan |
aus-mk, australia has corruption, not as much as other countries, but here it is kept in the shadows, unlike in Macedonia where everyone know's about it. |
| Thunder from down under |
quote:
Originally posted by dejan
aus-mk, australia has corruption, not as much as other countries, but here it is kept in the shadows, unlike in Macedonia where everyone know's about it.
give me example dejan |
| n/a |
Honestly i had the same experience while i was there.I do not live in Australia,i actually just moved from Italy to US.And i did this because of husband he's American.So the last time i was on my visit to Skopje (after 13 years) i notice the same egsact thing.The first day i arrive from the airport they charge as a lot,lot more...People was acting like you say before.The taxy drivers was trying to sneak money almost all the times especially from him and people was talking bad in macedonian.I was sopouse to make some documents,and for every paper i make i pay a fortune for it.There was no way you was going to have them ready on one reasonable schedule .Nothing,i mean nothing was working in a regular way.It was all about money.You couldn't even trust to the bartender.Sometimes they was inventing the prices.And this is nothing.On my wedding day they ask for a legal translator(oviosly paid by me) who was not even able to read in English.Now how cool is that? Whatever... |
| dejan |
But that's just it thunder, i don't know any coz the government doesn't reveal it:p |
| Thunder from down under |
Dejan, everything is done by the book here mate,
unless you deal with cash, and governament doesnt know how much you made , so they can tax you
example is the taxi industry, in 3 months you can make 15,000 and tell the tax office you only made 4000 , and there is nothing they can do
smashing_baby, you mentioned italy :)
few days ago i was just talking to a girl that she just returned from italy, and she told me , every time she ask for a coffe in a restorant she was paying different price
if she asked in italian she had to pay 1 euro,and if she ordered a cofee in english she had to pay 3 euros
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| dbk |
Sekade u svetot ima korupcija bre so vi e vam ! |
| n/a |
I really don't give a damn about corruption..What's bother me a lot it's that there is no efficient system that works properly in any sector at all.And i am talking about everyday thinks.I'm talking about the jackasses that work's on the public offices that needs to do properly the job whithout asking always for extra money...It's redicolous. |
| sapeski |
quote:
Originally posted by smashing_baby
Honestly i had the same experience while i was there.I do not live in Australia,i actually just moved from Italy to US.And i did this because of husband he's American.So the last time i was on my visit to Skopje (after 13 years) i notice the same egsact thing.The first day i arrive from the airport they charge as a lot,lot more...People was acting like you say before.The taxy drivers was trying to sneak money almost all the times especially from him and people was talking bad in macedonian.I was sopouse to make some documents,and for every paper i make i pay a fortune for it.There was no way you was going to have them ready on one reasonable schedule .Nothing,i mean nothing was working in a regular way.It was all about money.You couldn't even trust to the bartender.Sometimes they was inventing the prices.And this is nothing.On my wedding day they ask for a legal translator(oviosly paid by me) who was not even able to read in English.Now how cool is that? Whatever...
Land at JFK and try to find a cab, but pretend not to speak english, try to speak with your hands and pronounce the destiantion with hard-Macedonian accent, then see what the price is. |
| sapeski |
quote:
Originally posted by AUS-MK
sapeski in case you didnt know im still young..
and for your sake please grow a brain and stop posting here.. i mean come on your just embarrassing yourself, your pathetic in every way seljaciste
Thank you for your compliment, I was touched by your macedonian vocabular. Who tought you, your grandma? Being young just explains your anger towards macedonias powerty, especially prostitution. I'll tell you again, just donate 10$ for the flag. Be a good macedonian-australian, donate 20$, it's up to you my dear. When you'll grow up, you'll understand. Your parents are telling you not to go back to Macedonia for a good reason. |
| n/a |
Sapeski my dear boy, there are yet many things for you to still learn before you can call yourself a man.
oh and dont worry about the compliment, ive learned to compliment many seljaci like yourself in the past, especially with their limited education and knowledge.
no my grandmother didnt teach me macedonian, unlike you i learnt it at a school years ago.. you know.. a school right? oh.. i remember now, berovo doesnt have a school! |
| StormAngel |
AUS-MK
I red the inaugurational post of yours,and I said okay,the dude has got a point.
But now,
The more I read you,the harder I get you
I mean what the fuck dude?
What are you trying to say?
Offending other people...won`t do you no good.Just say what you have to say,and if you don`t like the replies,don`t post other replies.
It has worked for me,why wouldn`t it work for you? Cause you are aussie? Come on![:D]
Give your self a break,don`t take things so harsh.Chill and relax. |
| sapeski |
quote:
Originally posted by AUS-MK
Sapeski my dear boy, there are yet many things for you to still learn before you can call yourself a man.
Thank yoy for pointing it out for me.
quote:
oh and dont worry about the compliment, ive learned to compliment many seljaci like yourself in the past, especially with their limited education and knowledge.
Have we met in summer school, so you would know?[:)]
quote:
no my grandmother didnt teach me macedonian, unlike you i learnt it at a school years ago.. you know.. a school right? oh.. i remember now, berovo doesnt have a school!
Then who did? And Berovo?[:D] Wtf, who told you that? Never been there. |
| Thunder from down under |
quote:
Originally posted by StormAngel
AUS-MK
I red the inaugurational post of yours,and I said okay,the dude has got a point.
But now,
The more I read you,the harder I get you
I mean what the fuck dude?
What are you trying to say?
Offending other people...won`t do you no good.Just say what you have to say,and if you don`t like the replies,don`t post other replies.
It has worked for me,why wouldn`t it work for you? Cause you are aussie? Come on![:D]
Give your self a break,don`t take things so harsh.Chill and relax.
eden tip do tebe stormangel
so luge od Avstralija ili so ohrigani da ne se cepkash
edniot e od avstralija drugiot od ohrid [:D] |
| StormAngel |
Thunder,
greska si
Edniot e od Avstralija a drugiot e isto taka e od Avstralija i Ohriganec vo isto vreme.
P.S: ne se cepkav.[;)]
P.P.S: a zoso?[:)] |
| Thunder from down under |
ostaj gi decata , taka rastat [:D]
neka se celicat [:D] |
| StormAngel |
I`ll take your advice.
Sorry AUS-MK
Enjoy and have fun![:D]
Goce duzi pivo. |
| Canmak |
AUS MAK I am with you 100% bro......a long time ago I came here adn well I started saying the same thing you were saying....and I would argue with Thunder and Graf....ama sega ostarovne i sme cyber friends sega[:D].......I actually met Graf's sister in Mak... Graf ke mi bidi brother in Law.....but all joking aside I know exactly what you are saying......there are seljaci that refuse to accept the truth and that is the macedonian problem its like if you say something bad about Macedonia it means you are not proud of your heritage or something...I think these people fail to realize to look inside to fix the problem and are just used to that macedonian mentality of its someone elses fault.
A long time ago I said the enviroment in Macedonia was disgusting.....I was shit on by every one here......but read teh following:
quote:
Report Finds Macedonia Has Third Most Toxic Waste in World
29/09/2004
According to a new report by the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation (UNFAO), Macedonia has the world's third largest volume of toxic waste. The environmental consequences could be disastrous, experts warn.
By Marija Lazarova for Southeast European Times in Skopje - 29/09/04
A report by the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation ranks Macedonia third in terms of toxic waste. [UNFAO]
A recently published report by the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation (UNFAO) ranks Macedonia third worldwide in terms of toxic waste, with over 10,000 tonnes. Only Ukraine and Poland rank higher, with 19,500 tonnes and 15,000 tonnes respectively.
According to UNFAO Director Mark Davis, the problem is mainly caused by the circumstances in which chemicals are kept. "This is about very old and toxic materials because they have been kept for a long time and are often held in poor conditions and in outdoor areas," Davis told the daily Utrinski Vesnik. "They may be already exuding and polluting water in rivers and lakes, agricultural lands and air."
In fact, Davis said, the problem may be much worse than the UNFAO figures indicate. "Experience has shown that when an elaborate study of a country is made, the figures are at least twice as higher." Toxic waste has been implicated in a range of health problems -- including birth defects, lung disease and cancer -- with children being particularly vulnerable. According to the UN, the worst affected are often impoverished rural communities whose residents may not be aware of the toxic effects of chemicals in their environment.
The Macedonian Environment Ministry has also presented evidence that the amounts of toxic waste are higher than indicated in the report. A study commissioned by the ministry found that in 1999, the total amount of toxic waste in the country exceeded 45,000 tonnes. Of that, household waste accounted for 4,800 tonnes, commercial waste for 3,000 tonnes and medical waste for 1,000 tonnes. Construction debris accounted for 6,000 tonnes, industrial waste for 30,000 tonnes and agricultural waste for 200 tonnes, according to the study.
A feasibility study has been conducted for reducing environmental pollution in Macedonia. According to UN estimates, it costs $3,500 to clean up one tonne of toxic pesticides, while the total cost of cleaning up the waste in Macedonia would be approximately $35m.
But so ulaj muabet ne se praj zato i jas se storiv ulav i sega muabet i oro prajme tuka.
Ama read this and they still will deny it being the truth:
quote:
Thursday, October 14, 2004. Page 7.
Survey: Russia a World Leader in Corruption
By Valeria Korchagina
Staff Writer
Corruption hits businesses harder in Russia than in almost every other country, a new survey shows.
Of the 104 nations surveyed by the World Economic Forum for its annual Global Competitiveness Report, only four -- Madagascar, Ukraine, Macedonia and Chad -- were found to be worse than Russia when it comes to the costs crooked officials impose on companies.
Despite ranking near last in several other categories, too -- only Ukraine and Paraguay top Russia when it comes to laundering money, for example -- the country retained its No. 70 ranking for overall competitiveness and actually moved up four slots in terms of "business competitiveness."
Based on interviews with more than 8,700 business leaders around the world, the survey concluded that corruption remains Russia's biggest economic weakness, followed by vague and complex tax laws, poor access to financing and an inefficient government.
In several categories, in fact, Russia lags behind many of the world's poorest nations.
When it comes to "irregular payments" in judicial proceedings, for example, Russia is sandwiched between Macedonia and Angola at No. 83, while in terms of bribery related to import and export permits it ranks 91st, just above Mozambique and below Uganda.
In the bureaucracy category, as measured by the amount of time senior executives spend negotiating with government officials, Russia ranks 89th, slightly better than Ghana and slightly worse than Honduras.
"The dynamics of corruption are certainly negative," said Georgy Satarov, who runs Indem, a think tank that focuses on problems related to corruption. "And this relates to all aspects of it -- scale, size of bribes, the system's defense mechanisms -- even blatancy."
Satarov said the government lacks the will to implement a systematic and comprehensive program to deal with the issue, settling instead for half-hearted administrative and tax reforms.
"It is like trying to irrigate the Sahara with a glass of water," he said.
Corruption is so deeply embedded in this country that it seems to function like a virus that survives attempts to eradicate it by mutating.
"At best relations between businesses and the state do not change," said Ksenia Yudayeva, a scholar-in-residence focusing on economic issues at the Carnegie Moscow Center. "Even when the laws are changed in favor of business, the system itself adjusts to the starting point," she said.
Even government officials admit the issue is not a priority.
"At one point paperwork was falling a little, and if it is rising again then it is obvious that we must work on it again," said Arkady Dvorkovich, head of the presidential administration's Expert Department.
"There has definitely been a pause in this process of cutting administrative barriers -- at one point in 2000 and 2001 this was the main priority and it was seriously worked on, but the past few years it has hardly been worked on at all," Dvorkovich told reporters Tuesday. "The administrative system has started to work again by its eternal rules -- it reproduces itself and gives birth to a lot of rules and paperwork."
President Vladimir Putin's top economic adviser paints an even darker picture.
"Corruption has grown, become more qualitative, more implanted and moved into new spheres," Andrei Illarionov told The Moscow Times. "One could say this phenomenon has come to every house," he said without elaborating.
Alexei Moisseyev, an economist at Renaissance Capital, said the effect that corruption and red tape have on the economy might be better understood if the money and time companies spend as a result are viewed as a kind of tax.
High "taxes" can hurt economic development, particularly if revenues from them are not distributed to society equally, Moisseyev said.
But this burden is less noticeable when the country is swimming in petrodollars, he said.
On a more positive note, Russia ranked: fifth in terms of hiring and firing practices; eighth in federal budget health; 17th in wage flexibility; 19th in quality of scientific research institutions; 25th in the effect HIV/AIDS has on business, and 26th in railroad development.
Staff Writer Guy Faulconbridge contributed to this story.
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| Canmak |
AMA STO PO STO KE IMA TUKA STO VIKAT MU PLUKAS GOGA VRNI |
| dejan |
I don't think i'll even bother with this thread, someone ought to delete it. |
| n/a |
You don't have to if you don't want... |
| mafisKumA |
sto sti naprajle bre, vi ste sum ostajla za nekolku dena i site si ste raspustile so pisajnevo [:p][:D][:o)]
ajt ve napustam, odam da skitam niz New Zealand uste malce
P.S. smashing_baby a big welcome to you
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| Irachika |
I've been following ur conversation. I tell you what guys... I come from a country where living is probably much worse than in urs. I too have had wonderful opportunities (I'm missing one right now) and taken some of them to live in a developed country where everybody's kind and generous and polite. It's so easy to be like this when everything's all right, you know. In spite of all the advantages I've been offered, I still chose to stay and share all the hardships my people is experiencing. BTW, my decision was largely influenced by a person from ur country that I knew. Only after I've done something specific and positive I will have the right either to critisize or praise anything in my homeland. I am pretty sure any immigrant loves his country and probably loves and suffers more. But none of these talks will remain unfounded and won't sound serious unless you've been true to ur own beliefs. Words do come easy. It's doing that is so much more difficult! |
| angomako |
prostitucija vo makedonija?
kade?
zapadna mak?tetovo?gostivarski sela?
ama go kaza,ko da setaat prostitutki niz skopje na sekoj cekor...
makedonkite se deset klasi nad avstraliskite plavusi u moral...
a tie prostitutki ako si gi videl nekade u skopje(ama kade?-kaj univerzitet,ili so?),pa i ne veruvam deka se so mak nacionalnost(99%).
bez veze...koga kje vidam vakvi nadrkani iselenici,i mene mi se temni...istite tie drva ko so si bile si ostanale.ne svakjaat deka se gledaat sebe koga kje se vratat...se mrzat samite sebe si i toa sto go gledaat...
soobrakjajot vo makedonija:)
smeski..a za fletovi,pa so da ne?
bese komunizam,se pravea fletovi.ako sakas kukji,ima i kukji..i vo zagreb ziveat vo fletovi,i vo belgrad,i lubljana,itn.
zal mi za tie tipcinja zasto se mrzat sebe si,a ne nas.i so ako mu pobarale 30den pojse vo taxi?
i so ako im pobarale na pat za aerodrom 200den pojse?
i so ako trebala da plati +uste 30evra za preveduvacka farsa?
bev so prijateli od slovenija vo ohrid,i nikoj ne ne zaeba za pari,i lugjeto bea super.si pominavme super,i lugjeto bea ok.mnogu podobri nego li porano.barem jas vidov napredok.
pa sme preplakjale site koga sme idele vo stranstvo za eden kup gluposti,za koi sto tuka ne se plakja.
sekako deka treba mnogu raboti da se smenat,ama stavi nekoj drug da zivee vo uslovi vo koi se ziveelo vo makedonija poslednite 500godini,pa da vidime so i kako.
koga tie lugje vistinski kje se prifatat samite sebe koi se i sto se,
namesto da prodavaat muda za bubrezi pred sebe i pred drugite,nema da im smeta makedonija.taa si e takva kakva sto si e,i za nekoi raboti treba vreme,.
eve bugarija pred deset godini i sega...ima napredok!
a za sporedbata so avstralija...so koj del od avstralija se sporeduva makedonija?
pa cela makedonija e predgradie na melburn!
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| Thunder from down under |
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Originally posted by angomako
a za sporedbata so avstralija...so koj del od avstralija se sporeduva makedonija?
pa cela makedonija e predgradie na melburn!
uf..
ne te razbrav sho sakash da kazhish so ova ? |
| Great_Macedonian |
sakat da kazit ne treba makedonija da ja grdime.. ne e sve tolku crno. Ima i dosta dobri strani.
Eve eden primer.. najubaviot hamburger vo svetot e vo makedonija :) 5 kila staviv vo dva meseci tamu letovo. |
| Great_Macedonian |
Mislam deka e dobro sto mnogu kritiki upatuvame kon sostojbite vo makedonija, no sekoj od nas treba da stori nesto za taa da se podobri.
Od druga strana pak, stramota e makedonija da bide siromasna zemja so 2miliona narod i tolku dobra mesto polozba i plodna zemja, no ne treba da zaboravime deka so ogled na site kosmari vo koj nasata zemja pominala poslednive 15 godini, nee se tolku crno. Nikoja drzava ne stanala bogata preku noik. Na germanija i kompanija im trebase 40godini posle vtorata svetska vojna za nivnite ekonomii da stanat jaki. Nie ako sme srejkni, za 15 godini ke imame pobogata drzava.
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| Great_Macedonian |
koj braka??? |
| angomako |
ha,mislev na brakjata od kondovo i kompanija.. |
| angel |
Аман бе луге, се изнатрениравте англиски! Е тоа ти се македонци. Потребно е само уште да се појави србин па сите да му ја свртат на српски. Продадени души-променете се!!!
На македонскиот австралијанец ако не му се допаѓа наша Македонија нека не ја посетува повеќе. Каква е таква е, наша е, ќе ја подобриме ние македонците на кои Македонија ни е дом. ЈАСНО !!! |
| Great_Macedonian |
На македонскиот австралијанец ако не му се допаѓа наша Македонија нека не ја посетува повеќе. Каква е таква е, наша е, ќе ја подобриме ние македонците на кои Македонија ни е дом. ЈАСНО !!!<--- totalno se soglasuvam so tebe!!!
A za toa sto ti preci deka na ovoj forum zboruvame nekogas na angliski.. vidi vaka, na vmacedonia na sekade se pisuva na makedonski, samo na ovoj del koj e rezerviran za makedonskata emigracija se pisuva i na angliski, ne deka nekoj e 'prodaena' dusa tuku poradi faktot deka ima lujge na forumov koj ziveat vo prekuokeanskite zemji, i ne go razbiret makedonskiot jazik dovolno poradi edna pricina ili druga. |