| dali nekoj znae nekoja istorija na Solun? |
| dejan |
me interesira istorijata na Solun, pret grcite da go zemat.
dali nekoj znae koj bile naj poznati licnosti vo Solun? nesto taka.
ima li nekoj sajt za Solun? barav na google, i nisto ne najdev.
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| Great_Macedonian |
Kiril i Metodi bile od Solun |
| dejan |
a da, znam tolku:p
apostelot pavle (paul) mislam bese, dojde vo solun za do go shiri hristijanstvoto. |
| angomako |
pred grcite da go zemat,po[pulacijata bila vo golema merka muslimanska-turska,evrejska(go vikale erusalim na balkanot),i slavjanska...i troa grcka,sosema malce.
posle se naseluvaat vo golemi dozi,i se slucuva eden golem pozar,koj opustosuva golem del od gradoe,i posle od...novi planovi za gradot,kade evreite gi selat vo bogus naselbi vo periferijata,ni troska od pred toa kukjite sto im bile,turcite si odat,a slavjanite gi stegaat i gi deklariraat so sila grci.
se idelo od makedonija non stop za solun,i edno cudo makedonci trgovci imale kukji tamu.
posle ili gi prekrstile,ili gi isterale,koj kako.
za vidni licnosti,toa tesko,zasto grcite sosema ja izvrtea istorijata,i nikoj ne ni znae deka gradot u stvari bil skoro totalno negrcki do pred samo 9 decenii,
uste eden aplauz za nivnata efikasna mozokoperacka i visokokvalitetna propaganda se razbira poddrzana od anglicanite.inaku ubav grad:)
pozdrav,
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| dejan |
turci i evreji? a makedoncite? kolku imase tamu? erusalim na balkanot? jas mislev Ohrid bese erusalim na balkanot? a toj pozar, bidna posle koga grcite go zemale, mislam deka grcite go pocnale toa, za sve sto bese makedonsko i ne grcko tamu da go snema.......anglicanite da, ama i dancite isto, pot senka za nikoj da ne gi znae. |
| Great_Macedonian |
angomako sto ti e tebe? i tebe ti go imet ispereno umot komunistite na uciliste?
Od kade Solun "slavjanski"..
Koga vo 1490tite godini, Spanskata princeza gi istera evreite i muslimanite od spanija, osmanliite so zadovolstvo gi primija, bidejki znaeja deka evreite se jaki trgovci i so toa ke ja krenat ekonomijata na otomanskata imperija. Najgolem del od tije spanski evrei se naselija vo istanbul, a potoa vo Solun. Kako rezultat na ova kon krajot na devetnaesetiot vek Solun bil 60% evrei 30% MAKEDONCI (ne slavjani) i 10% grci.
Uste edno da ti objasnam angomako, tie slavjani sto dosle vo makedonija nikogas ne posle vo Solun, taka da eventualno koga tije se izmesale so antickite makedonci, denesnite makedonci bile nad polovina naselenieto od Solun dodeka evreite ne dosle.
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| Saturn |
Ancient times
The city was founded around 315 BC by Cassander, the King of Macedon, on or near the site of the ancient town of Therma. He named it after his wife Thessalonica, who was also the sister of Alexander the Great. She gained her name from her father, Philip II of Macedon, to commemorate her birth on the day of his gaining a victory (nike) over the Thessalians.
After the fall of the kingdom of Macedon in 146 BC, Thessaloníki became part of the Roman Empire. It became an important trading centre on the Via Egnatia, a Roman road that connected Byzantium (later Constantinople, now Istanbul) with Dyrrhachium (now Durrës in Albania). The city was made the capital of one of the four Roman districts of Macedonia, and was ruled by a praetor. It had a sizeable Jewish colony and was an early centre of Christianity. On his second missionary journey, St Paul preached in the city's synagogue, the chief synagogue of the Jews in that part of Macedonia, and laid the foundations of a church. Opposition against him from the Jews drove him from the city, and he fled to Veria.
Thessaloníki acquired a patron saint, St. Demetrius, in 306 AD. He was the Roman proconsul of Greece under the anti-Christian emperor Maximian and was martyred at Sirmium in modern Serbia. His relics are still housed and venerated in Thessaloníki.
When the Roman Empire was divided into eastern and western segments ruled from Byzantium/Constantinople and Rome respectively, Thessaloníki came under the control of the eastern (later Byzantine) empire. Its importance was second only to Constantinople itself. After a revolt against the emperor Theodosius I in 390, 7,000 of the citizens were massacred in the city's hippodrome in revenge - an act which earned Theodosius a temporary excommunication.
Middle Ages
Repeated barbarian invasions after the fall of the Roman Empire left Macedonia depopulated, and Thessaloníki itself came under attack from Slavs in the 7th century. They failed to capture the city but a sizeable Slavic community nonetheless managed to establish itslef there. Saint Cyril and his brother Methodius were born in Thessaloníki and the Byzantine Emperor Michael III, saying that "the inhabitants of Thessaloníki speak Slavonic quite well", encouraged them to visit northern Slavic regions from there as missionaries; their South Slavonic dialect became the basis for Old Church Slavonic. In the 9th century, the Byzantines decided to move the market for Bulgarian good from Constantinople to Thessaloníki. Tsar Simeon I of Bulgaria invaded Thrace, defeated a Byzantine army and forced the empire to move the market back to Constantinople.
The city was occupied by the Saracens in 904 and by the Norman rulers of Sicily in 1185, with considerable destruction and loss of life on both occasions. It finally passed out of Byzantine hands for good in 1204, when Constantinople was captured by the Fourth Crusade in 1204. Thessaloníki and its surrounding territory — the Kingdom of Thessalonica — became the largest fief of the Latin Empire, covering most of north and central Greece. It was given by the emperor Baldwin I to his rival Boniface of Montferrat but in 1224 it was seized by Michael Ducas, the Greek Despot of Epirus. The city was recovered by the Byzantine Empire in 1246, but, unable to hold it against the encroachments of the Ottoman Empire, the Byzantine Despot Andronikos Palaeologus was forced to sell it to Venice, who held it until it was captured by the Ottoman ruler Murad II in 1430.
Thessaloníki, renamed Selânik, remained in Ottoman hands until 1912 and became one of the most important cities in the Empire, with a large port being built in 1901. The founder of modern Turkey, Kemal Atatürk, was born there in 1881, and the Young Turk movement was headquartered there in the early 20th century. The city was extremely multicultural; of its 130,000 inhabitants at the start of the century, around 60,000 were Sephardic Jews, whose ancestors had been expelled from Spain and Portugal after 1492. Some Romaniotes Jews were also present. The city's language of daily life was Ladino, a Jewish dialect of Spanish. The city's day off was Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath. Turks, Greeks, Slavs and Albanians made up the bulk of the remainder of the population.
Modern times
Thessaloníki was the main prize of the First Balkan War of 1912, in which it was successfully captured by Greece. In 1915, during World War I, a large Allied expeditionary force landed at Thessaloníki to use the city as the base for an offensive against pro-German Bulgaria. A pro-Allied temporary government headed by Eleftherios Venizelos was established there, against the will of the pro-neutral German King of Greece.
The majority of the town was largely destroyed by a single fire in 1917 of unknown origin, probably an accident. Venizelos forbade the reconstruction of the town center until a full modern city plan was prepared. This was accomplished a few years later by the French architect and archeologist Ernest Hebrard. The Hebrard plan swept away the Oriental features of Thessaloníki and transformed it to a European style city.
One consequence of the fire saw close to half the city's Jewish population, their homes and livelihoods destroyed, emigrate. Many went to Palestine. Some stepped onto the Orient Express to Paris. Still others found their way to America. Their numbers were quickly replaced by refugees from another disaster a few years after the war, when huge numbers of ethnic Greeks were expelled from Turkey in 1922 following the Greco-Turkish War. The city expanded enormously as a result. It was nicknamed "The Refugee Capital" (I Protévoussa ton Prosfigón) and "Mother of the Poor" (Ftohómana), and even today the city's inhabitants and culture are distinctively Anatolian in character.
Thessaloníki fell to the forces of Nazi Germany in 1941 and remained under German occupation until 1944. The city suffered considerable damage from Allied bombing, and almost the entire Jewish population was exterminated by the Nazis. Barely a thousand Jews survived. However, Thessaloníki was rebuilt fairly quickly after the war. In 1978, it was badly damaged by an earthquake.
The city has two universities — the Aristotle University of Thessaloniki, the largest university in Greece (founded 1926) and the University of Macedonia.
In 2004, the city hosted some of the football events of the 2004 Summer Olympics.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thessaloniki[/url] |
| dejan |
takvo nesto sakam da slusnam great macedonian;)
fala saturn, nekoj interesni pointi ama ne ja sakam tolku wikipedia. |
| Great_Macedonian |
dejan... primetuvas kako wikipedia ne go priznava makedonskiot narod.. i sekogas go narekuva slovenski??
i grcite se mesan narod.. i bugarite se.. i albancite se.. site se mesani so pleminja.. slavjanskoto pleme se izmesalo so nas makedoncite, ama zaradi ova zarem treba da sme slavjani?? ne.. ako sme nije slavjani grcite se arabi i taka treba da gi narekuvet. |
| Great_Macedonian |
Uste nesto drugo mislam e vazno da se kaze. toa sto site "pro grcki" istoricari "zaboravile" da go napisat vo istorijata...
mnogu me interesira da znam, kade posle makedoncite koga slavjanite dosle vo makedonija??? zosto nikoj ne saka da priznae deka slavjanite se asimilirale so makedonskiot narod koj tuka ziveel so iljadnici godini. Ova nikoj ne go pisuva, zasto ako ovoj fakt se priznae od zapadnata imperija, togas ke se dokaze deka nije sme potomci na antickite makedonci a ne dojdenci vo makedonija. |
| bojan81 |
Koka ke pomislam na Solun vednas se sekavam, na Kiril i Metodij, Solunskata maska gimnazija, vesnikot Loza, pobunata za ucenje na Makedonski od strana na lozarite, Solunskite Atentatori Pavel Satev itn. |
| wolf_pack |
E toj film, Solunskite Atentatori (Thessaloniki Assasins na English) e film shto treba sekoj makedonec i makedonka da go gleda.
Isto taka vo Solun e formirana prvata vnatreshna makedonska revolucionerna organizacija (VMRO) od Goce Delchev vo 1893. |
| f9 |
quote:
Originally posted by Great_Macedonian
Uste nesto drugo mislam e vazno da se kaze. toa sto site "pro grcki" istoricari "zaboravile" da go napisat vo istorijata...
mnogu me interesira da znam, kade posle makedoncite koga slavjanite dosle vo makedonija??? zosto nikoj ne saka da priznae deka slavjanite se asimilirale so makedonskiot narod koj tuka ziveel so iljadnici godini. Ova nikoj ne go pisuva, zasto ako ovoj fakt se priznae od zapadnata imperija, togas ke se dokaze deka nije sme potomci na antickite makedonci a ne dojdenci vo makedonija.
Ne znam kolku pati sum odgovoril do sega na ova,(carigradskiot patrijarh Nikifor-Hronoloshki zabeleshki,Teofan-Arapsko-vizantijska vojna od 692).Kaj nas i Istorijata i Istoricharite se za stap-ne site.Vo sekoj dokument kade shto se izvestuva za doaganje na sloveni se izvestuva i za nivno prisilno zaminuvanje od Makedonija.Tochno se znae deka Justinijan gi naselil vo Mala Azija,i od niv imal 32000 vojnici vo svojata vojska.Znachi ako eden Istorichar pishuva za doagjanje povikuvajki se na eden izvor ,toj ima mozhnost od drug izvor da objasni do kraj shto se sluchilo i da go objasni i zaminuvanjeto.Zoshto toa go premolchuvaa akademicite?
Zaradi Jugoslavija,-moravme da bidime sloveni.Albancite ne bea i zatoa nemaa drzhava.Tochno vaka nas Jugoslavija ne osporuvashe i ucenuvashe. |
| dejan |
znam great macedonia, razbiram sto sakas da kazes. ako nie go imavme egejska i pirinska makedonija, svetot kako makedonci bi ne znael.
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| Misirkov |
Edna rabota sto verojatno ne ste cule za Solun e deka gradot edno vreme e narekuvan kolokvijalno "Little Jerusalem" zaradi vlijanieto na Evreite tamu no i zaradi potencijalnoto crkovno-politicko vlijanie sto go imal. Koga dosle Evreite, Sultanot rekol za niv "oh the ritches". Uste da znaeme da go iskoristime toj moment...
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| Great_Macedonian |
f9 interesna rabota, toa sto ti go napisa.. ne sum cital za takvo nesto no kamoli da e vistina. |
| Misirkov |
Ne treba da ne cudi deka vo istorijata ima zacesteni migracii. Pa videte deka samo vo poslednive 15 godini, zaradi odredena ne-makedonska politika, recisi 1/5 od Makedoncite se iselija vo stranstvo.
"Slovenite" t.e. Peonite, se vrakjaat od sever doma, od kade sto bile iseleni. Samiot poim "Sloveni" ne e razlicen od domorodnoto naselenie tuku vizantijcite gi tretiraat kako zbir za polesno da se spravat so kompleksnosta na migraciite. Pogresno e da se kaze deka "Slovenite" se meshaat so Makedoncite i se stvara nova nacija. f9 e vo pravo, kako sto doadjaat, taka i gi raseluvaat.
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| Great_Macedonian |
dobro sega.. misirkov.. ne e mozno site sloveni da gi raselile? zasto slovenite vo tek na 500 godini po poleka se doseluvale na balkanot.. ili toa e istorijata sto se kazuva.
Gospod samo ja znae vistinskata istorija na balkanot. Bitno e deka sme makedonci, i naseto nasledstvo na antickite makedonci ne smee nikoj da ni go osporuva, bez razlika koj drugi pleminja se izpomesale so nas. |