Grobot na Car Samoil

Grobot na Car Samoil
bitushanec	Grobot na Car Samoil e pronajden od grcki arheolozi na ostrov vo Prespanskoto Ezero, koj sega pripaga na Grcija. Dali znaete sto e najdeno vo grobnicata na Car Samoil? Samoil bil pogreban kako site Carevi, taka sto mora da ima dokazi koj bil, simbilite na drzavata itn....Megutoa, grecite molcat okolu ova. Sigurno nasle nesto, megutoa stom ne se kreva buka okolu toa ZNACI DEKA NE NASLE DOKAZI DEKA BIL BUGAR, SLOVEN Itn.! Da nasle samo nekoj dokaz za eventualna bugarstina na Car Samoil site WEB Stranici na Tatarlaanava i Ciganava od jug ke bea prepolni so toa. No, naidovame samo na molk! Ima li nekoj od Vas nekoi informacii okolu gornovo? Eden prof. po arheologija od Skopje, pola eggec-pola grk kaza deka Car Samoil bil pogreban vo nametka so dvoglav orel (rimskior orel). Dali toa znaci deka Car Samlil pretendiral da stane Vizantiski Car, pa zatoa vo 11 vek pocnale da go narekuvaat ciganine Vulgar?
Saturn	[url]http://www.standartnews.com/archive/2001/09/03/history/s3118_8.htm[/url] [url]http://www.online.bg/kultura/my_html/2271/tv.htm[/url] [url]http://www.standartnews.com/archive/2001/09/03/history/s3118_9.htm[/url] [url]http://www.standartnews.com/archive/2001/09/03/history/s3118_10.htm[/url]
bitushanec	Главата била положена върху глинена възглавница, а върху нея вероятно е имало друга от скъп плат. Намерили и част от ризница, а около таза имало запазен къс от изящна дреха. Платът бил изтъкан от копринени нишки, обвити в злато. Едно от първите доказателства за откритието е самият цвят на скелета - тъмнопурпурен. Знае се, че само царете били покривани с пурпурна тъкан. MAKEDONSKITE KRALEVI BILE OBLAKANI VO PURPUR! DURI OD ANTI^KO VREMEtA Bravo Bugari! Dokazavte deka Car Samoil e MAKEDONSKI CAR! От Муцопулос знаехме, че в патриаршеската църква е запазен списъкът на епископствата, подчинени на българския патриаршески престол. Това откритие е направено от руска експедиция през миналия век, но Муцопулос решил да провери сведенията. Той облепил абсидата с много тънък целофан и след три месеца търпение под влияние на слънчевите лъчи надписът сам "излязъл". Той гласял: "Това са троновете на патриарх Герман, на митрополитите на Сердика, на Скопие, на Видин, на Верея, на Велбъжд..." Като се има предвид, че Видин пада под византийска власт през 1002 г., може да се предположи, че надписът с епархиите е изписан между 989 -1001 г. Той недвусмислено доказва както мощта на Самуиловата държава, така и факта, че това е била базиликата, където са ставали църковните събори на Българска патриаршия, която имала много епархии. - GERMAN E PRVIOT MAKEDONSKI PATRIJARH! Od Istorijata na BPC: 927 Constantinople recognized the king as Emperor of the Bulgarians and the Archbishop of Preslav as Patriarch of the Bulgarian Church. Sediste na Crkva ne smee da se menuva! Se znae deka mozhe da ima samo edna Patrijarshija i koga taa ke se ustanovi nejzinoto mesto ne se menuva! Ohridskata Patrijarsija voopsto ne e BUGARSKA! Istasnbulskata Patrijarsija uste e vo Istanbul, ne e vo Atina!
Saturn	quote: Главата била положена върху глинена възглавница, а върху нея вероятно е имало друга от скъп плат. Намерили и част от ризница, а около таза имало запазен къс от изящна дреха. Платът бил изтъкан от копринени нишки, обвити в злато. Едно от първите доказателства за откритието е самият цвят на скелета - тъмнопурпурен. Знае се, че само царете били покривани с пурпурна тъкан. MAKEDONSKITE KRALEVI BILE OBLAKANI VO PURPUR! DURI OD ANTI^KO VREMEtA Bravo Bugari! Dokazavte deka Car Samoil e MAKEDONSKI CAR! Most of the Kings were covered with purpur NOT only the Macedonian kings of the Ancient times...the Bulgarian Tsars TOO...So I don't see what have the Bulgarians proved?This is exactly what the article says..."It's known that only Kings(Tsars) have been covered in purpur..." This proved that it's the grave of a Tsar and not just a very important person...nothing else... .... СЕРГИЙ, ГРИГОРИЙ, ДАМЯН, при когото Преслав пада. През 972 г. император Йоан Цимисхи унищожава политическата и църковна независимост на Източното българско царство. Предполага се, че патриарх Дамян се оттегля във все още свободната западна част на България и се установява в Средец. Следователно той е последният патриарх на Преславското и първият на Самуиловото царство. Приемник на патриарх Дамян и предстоятел на Българската църква при Самуил е ГЕРМАН (или ГАВРИИЛ) Постоянните военни действия принуждават западно-българските царе да местят често столицата, а с това и седалището на патриарха. След като пребивава последователно във Воден, Мъглен и Преспа, патриарх Герман умира, вероятно в Преспа, а след смъртта му Патриаршията е преместена в Охрид. Според някои известия ФИЛИП е първият Български патриарх, който пренася своята резиденция в Охрид (ок. 990). В житие на св. Иван Владимир се споменава името на друг български първойерарх.... [url]http://synpress.bglink.net/09-2003/patriarsi.htm[/url]
bitushanec	E sega gledam kolku e mizerna Bugarskata Falsifikacija. Gregorij bil Bugarski Patrijarh umrel vo 1012 godina. Znachi umrel pred German, koj bil MAKEDONSKI PATRIJARH. Sv Gregorij e Bugarski Patrijarh i toa samite Bugari go potvrduvaat http://synpress.bglink.net/09-2003/patriarsi.htm Bugarskata Crkva go slavi St. Gregory, Patriarch of Bulgaria (+ 1012). Znachi paralelno so German imalo ushte eden Patrijarh Gregorij koj bil BUGARSKI! IZVOR: WEB STranica na Bugarska Pravoslavna Crkva: http://bulch.tripod.com/boc/saints.htm BPC da go opravda falsificiranjeto na makedonskata istorija, go ime predstaveno kako Mitropolit Bugarski, no toj umrel 1012 godina sto znachi i da bil Mitropolit Bugarski, Samuil ja unishtil Bugarskata Crkva i Bugarija ja napravil samo Mitropolija pod Jurizdikcija na MAKEDONSKATA CRKVA! Znachi imame dva razlichni Patrijarha: BUGARSKI I MAKEDONSKI i toa e najgolem dokaz deka SAMOIL E MAKEDONSKI CAR! Eh Tatari edna pogovorka za Vas: NA LAGATA I SE KRATKI NOZETE!
bitushanec	Археолози отвориха гроба на патриарх Дамян Разкопките са в Дунавския парк на Силистраhttp://www.standartnews.com/archive/2001/08/21/art/ PATRIJARHOT DAMJAN BIL ZAKOPAN NA SILISTRA, POKRAJ DUNAV! NIKOGASH NE ZAMINAL ZA OHRID, OTI NE SE SELI PATRIJARSHKATA STOLICA! Kako sto znaeme Patrijarsite ostanuvaat na svojata dolzhnost se do svojata smrt. Da umrel Damjan vo Ohrid e togash ke bil Patrijarh na Ohrid, ama ne e! CAR SAMOIL E MAKEDONSKI CAR! [:D] Bugarite se divjaci navistina; nemaat nikakov sram [:o)]
Misirkov	Fakt: Ohridskata Arhiepiskopija e samostojna makedonska crkva. Taa bila samostojna i za vreme na periodot koga Makedonija potpadjala pod vizantiskoto carstvo, pod bugarskite carstva, pod srpskite knezevstva i carstvo i (delumno) pod turskata imperija. Vo site gore-spomenati drzavi vekje imalo aftokefalni crkvi. Ottuka, dokolku Ohridskata Arhiepiskopija ne bila aftokefalna makedonska crkva, bi bila pripojuvana kon drugite postojani aftokefalni crkvi i toa: Carigradskata, Peckata ili Trnovskata patrijarsija. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Most of the Kings were covered with purpur NOT only the Macedonian kings of the Ancient times...the Bulgarian Tsars TOO...So I don't see what have the Bulgarians proved?This is exactly what the article says..."It's known that only Kings(Tsars) have been covered in purpur..." This proved that it's the grave of a Tsar and not just a very important person...nothing else... --------------------------------------------------------------------- Most kings WERE NOT wearing or covered in purple. The ones who followed the Macedonian traditions were. That's why Samuel wore purple robes and not horsetail for example.
Saturn	Bitulcanecu everiting you say sounds great but there is one little problem YOU CAN NOT READ... Постоянните военни действия принуждават западно-българските царе да местят често столицата, а с това и седалището на патриарха. След като пребивава последователно във Воден, Мъглен и Преспа, патриарх Герман умира, вероятно в Преспа, а след смъртта му Патриаршията е преместена в Охрид. Според някои известия ФИЛИП е първият Български патриарх, който пренася своята резиденция в Охрид (ок. 990). The head of the patriarchy goes to Ohrid after German...I never said that Damjan went to Ohrid or died there as you are trying to "expose me" [url]PATRIJARHOT DAMJAN BIL ZAKOPAN NA SILISTRA, POKRAJ DUNAV! NIKOGASH NE ZAMINAL ZA OHRID, OTI NE SE SELI PATRIJARSHKATA STOLICA![/url] Damjan moved from Preslav to Serdika (for short time in Dorostol)...German the first "Macedonian patriarch" never went to Ohrid too...It was after him that it moved there...He was settled in Serdika/Triadiza/(SOFIA) and then moved to Macedonia... ...През втората половина на Х в. поради военно-политически обстоятелства българският патриаршески престол се премествал последователно от столицата Преслав в Доростол, Триадица /София/, Воден, Мъглен, Преспа и накрая се установил в Охрид - столица на Западната българска държава, възглавявана от цар Самуил /976-1014 година/... ...Военнополитическите обстоятелства през втората половина на Х в. се отразили съдбоносно върху Първата българска патриаршия. Когато Киевският княз Светослав навлязал в Североизточна България (968-969), патриаршеският престол се преместил в Доростол, а след нашествието на византийския император Йоан I Цимисхи (971) - в Средец (дн. София), който станал столица на Западната българска държава, възглавена от Самуил (997 - 1014). Понеже по стратегически причини столицата се местила последователно навътре в Македония, заедно с нея се премествал и Българският патриаршески престол, докато в края на Х в. се установил в град Охрид. Тук български патриарси били Филип и Давид.... ...По време на бурните събития от края на Х в., когато рухнала Преславска България и центърът на българския политически живот и борбите за независимост се изместил на запад, в Средец установил своята резиденция и патриарх Дамян. Едва с консолидацията на Самуилова България последните български патриарси преместили седалището си в Охрид... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Links to the info above: [url]http://www.pravoslavieto.com/books/history_bpc/index.htm[/url] [url]http://religiabg.com/index.php?p=religii&id=1[/url] [url]http://www.sofia.bg/history.asp?lines=1128&nxt=1&update=all[/url] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If it was "Macedonian" why was in moving westward first in territries that were not in Macedonia - Dorostol and Serdika? quote: Bugarskata Crkva go slavi St. Gregory, Patriarch of Bulgaria (+ 1012). Znachi paralelno so German imalo ushte eden Patrijarh Gregorij koj bil BUGARSKI! IZVOR: WEB STranica na Bugarska Pravoslavna Crkva This is the date when he died obviously(do you see the cross infront of the date) and NOT the time when he was still a Patriach..Generally they stay till they die but not always...I cannot find any info for Gregorii in the net...obviously he was not a very important patriarch, have to look in the library...HOWEVER, I agree that this is should be checked...If you can find something please tell me... Anyways Gregorii ruled BEFORE Damjan and it was AFTER Damjan that German became a patriarch [so even the date doesn't help u here coz there is ONE patriarch b/n them]...SO THERE HAS NEVER BEEN a coexistant rule of German("Macedonian") and Gregorii(Bulgarian) as u are tring to prove!!! Tova e tova...
Saturn	quote: PATRIJARHOT DAMJAN BIL ZAKOPAN NA SILISTRA, POKRAJ DUNAV! Yup...that's true...The Old name of Silistra is Doristol(Dristra) one of the "capitals" of the patriarch after the fall of Veliki Preslav. After his death he was "zakopan" there, after Samuil liberated the city from the Byzantines in 976.
bitushanec	Eh Tatar BUDAL TATAR! Imash li ti pamet shto zborish?! Kade se videlo da se seli Patrijarshija? Toa ne e "kvartira" ili "k`shta" da se seli! Pa ke ti se smee svetot toa shto go zborish! Patrijarhot e duhoven otec na narodot i treba da bide so svojot narod vo dobro, vo losho i vo zlo. Taman rabota da se selele site Patrijarshii kako ke im tekne! Ete Carigradskata Patrijarshija e kako shto site znaeme Grchka. Grcija se oslobodila 1829 godina, megutoa PATRIJARSHIJATA NE SE SELI! Patrijarshijata i den deneshen e vo Istanbul, vo drzhava Turcija. Grchkata Crkva e pod jurizdikcija na Carigradskata Patrijarshija. A kako vtoro Tataru, ako bila Ohridskata Patrijarshija Bugarska, Samlul koga ja osvoil Silistra 976 godina, po logichnost PATRIJARHOT TREBALO DA SE VRATI NA SVOJATA STOLICA VO SILISTRA. A vistinata e sosema poinakva, Makedonskata Crkva e posebna isto kako i Samoilovoto Carstvo. Dve Crkvi, Dve Drzhavi, Dve nacii. Ushte neshto da te prasham, Sv Gligorij Patrijarh Bugarskizhiveel do 1012 godina. Znachi zhiveel vo isto vreme so Patrijarhot GERMAN. Kako e mozhno edna ista drzhava da ima dve razlichni Patrijarshii??? Takvo neshto ne postoi.
Saturn	What are you talking about? If speaking bulshit makes you feel better then... Of course it moves!!!When the capital was captured by the Byzantine empire in moved westwards to the free territories...Doristol was a temprory residence to the Patriarch not a Capital...so he didn't have to go back...tho he wa zakopan there... Not only it move it moved alot!!! it changed several towns in MAcedonia alone - Voden,Prespa,Maglen and then finally settled in Ohrid... quote: Samlul koga ja osvoil Silistra 976 godina, po logichnost PATRIJARHOT TREBALO DA SE VRATI NA SVOJATA STOLICA VO SILISTRA. Coz this was not the original Capital...the patriarch is where the Capital is...The new Capital cities were Ohrid-Prespa..and the chirch remained there... After Samuil died in several years the country fell under Byzantine controll and greeks were placed as bishops in Ohrid... [url]Ushte neshto da te prasham, Sv Gligorij Patrijarh Bugarskizhiveel do 1012 godina. Znachi zhiveel vo isto vreme so Patrijarhot GERMAN. Kako e mozhno edna ista drzhava da ima dve razlichni Patrijarshii??? Takvo neshto ne postoi.[/url] For gods sake read what I post firs! I don't know about the date in this site...It's either wrong or the patriarch changed before the death!!!THERE WAS ONE Patriarch b/n Gregorii and German - DAMJAN...so it ether mistakenin the site or he was no longer Patriarch when he died...it's as simple as that...Obviouslly internet doesn't ofer great resources about Patriarchs...
bitushanec	EJ TATAR SE ZACAPA VO GOMNATA SHTO GI SERESH,..... REKOV JAS, NA LAGATA I SE KRATKI NOZETE. PATRIJARHSHIJA NE SE SELI. ABE TI KO MORON RAZMISLUVASH.... PECHKATA PATRIJARSHIJA- SRPSKATA SEKOGASH BILA VO PECH. SRBIJA KAKO KNEZHEVSTVO SE FORMIRA 1820-TITE GODINI A KAKO KRALSTVO 1878. PECHKIOT PATRIJARH NIKOGASH NE SE PRESELIL VO BELGRAD! A PECH (KOSOVO) DURI POTPADNALO POD SRBIJA 1918 GODINI! EH MOJ TATARU, TREBA DA UCHISH MALCE ISTORIJA POVECHE!
noname	quote: Originally posted by bitushanec EJ TATAR SE ZACAPA VO GOMNATA SHTO GI SERESH,..... REKOV JAS, NA LAGATA I SE KRATKI NOZETE. PATRIJARHSHIJA NE SE SELI. ABE TI KO MORON RAZMISLUVASH.... PECHKATA PATRIJARSHIJA- SRPSKATA SEKOGASH BILA VO PECH. SRBIJA KAKO KNEZHEVSTVO SE FORMIRA 1820-TITE GODINI A KAKO KRALSTVO 1878. PECHKIOT PATRIJARH NIKOGASH NE SE PRESELIL VO BELGRAD! A PECH (KOSOVO) DURI POTPADNALO POD SRBIJA 1918 GODINI! EH MOJ TATARU, TREBA DA UCHISH MALCE ISTORIJA POVECHE! A be dosta se prai slep! Da ne sakash da kazesh deka vo Silistra nemalo patriarshija? Da ne sakash da kazesh deka vo CENTAROT na Sofija nema i sega patriarshija? Da ne sakash da kazesh deka vo Veliko Trnovo nemalo patriarshija? Znam deka ke me izbrishat, ama zaprasai se sto ke specelish so lagi i dezinfromacii? Specialno za Carigradskata Patriarshija e druga prikazna - ako ti e interesno ke diskutirame zasto e ostanala tamu i dali toa e bilo za dobro za grcite?
noname	quote: Originally posted by noname quote: Originally posted by bitushanec EJ TATAR SE ZACAPA VO GOMNATA SHTO GI SERESH,..... REKOV JAS, NA LAGATA I SE KRATKI NOZETE. PATRIJARHSHIJA NE SE SELI. ABE TI KO MORON RAZMISLUVASH.... PECHKATA PATRIJARSHIJA- SRPSKATA SEKOGASH BILA VO PECH. SRBIJA KAKO KNEZHEVSTVO SE FORMIRA 1820-TITE GODINI A KAKO KRALSTVO 1878. PECHKIOT PATRIJARH NIKOGASH NE SE PRESELIL VO BELGRAD! A PECH (KOSOVO) DURI POTPADNALO POD SRBIJA 1918 GODINI! EH MOJ TATARU, TREBA DA UCHISH MALCE ISTORIJA POVECHE! A be dosta se prai slep! Da ne sakash da kazesh deka vo Silistra nemalo patriarshija? Da ne sakash da kazesh deka vo CENTAROT na Sofija nema i sega patriarshija? Da ne sakash da kazesh deka vo Veliko Trnovo nemalo patriarshija? Znam deka ke me izbrishat, ama zaprasai se sto ke specelish so lagi i dezinfromacii? Specialno za Carigradskata Patriarshija e druga prikazna - ako ti e interesno ke diskutirame zasto e ostanala tamu i dali toa e bilo za dobro za grcite? Zaboravih! Carigradskata patriarshija NE E bila sekogash vo Carigrad. Taa se seli na drugo mesto vo ............godina[:)] zatoa sto...........[:)]? Dali nekoi ke otgovori......?[8D]
bitushanec	Noname Tatarche eve ti odgovor. Bugarite velat deka Car Samoil e naslednik na Bugarskata Drzhava na Khan Boris. Emi ako bil naslednik na Khan Boris nema da pravi Patrijarshija vo Ohrid tuku vo Silistra ke si ja zadrzhi, Ta neli Samoil e balgarin i se drzhi do balgarskata tradicija? Tuku ajde tatarche odgovori mi, ta neli Ohridskata Patrijarshija bila Bugarska, kako toa se formira Patrijarshija vo Veliko Trnovo? Neli edna drzhava, edna avtokefalna crkva! Dokaz: Ohridskata Crkva e samo MAKEDONSKA! A vo Veliko Trnovo se formira VLASHKA Patrijarshija na vlasite ASEN I PETAR koi ne bile Balgari! Drzhavata se vikala samo Bugarska otkako Khan Nogay- Tatarskiot Gospodar ja zazel drzhavata na vlasite. Aj kazhi mi kade se seli Pechkata i Carigradskata Patrijarshija?
Saturn	Well Bilochanezu u r very very sick person...ONLY PPL WHO FEEL WEAK swear and offend the others... Personally I don't get offended by calling me Tatar or something else coz you are below my class in any point! YOU CAN NOT just jump from thing to thing either you keep up to the discussion or do not discuss!!!U CAN NOT jump to another poin everytime you are wrong and try to ecape... As we saw you were wrong - The patriachy CAN and it DID move...ALOT...Very simple examples...not including the so controversial for you Ochrid Patriachy...You have Preslav as a patriarchy,you have Tarnovo as one and today you have Sofia...See u don't even have to think to come up with these and they were oll called Bulgarain... quote: "ta neli Ohridskata Patrijarshija bila Bugarska, kako toa se formira Patrijarshija vo Veliko Trnovo? Neli edna drzhava, edna avtokefalna crkva! Dokaz: Ohridskata Crkva e samo MAKEDONSKA!" First after the Fall of Samuils Tsardom the Patriarchy was DEGRADED to an Archibishopy - Ochrid Archibishopy...You know that Archibishopy and Patriarchy are 2 diff things...Secondly, it virtually became GREEK-ruled Archibishopy as all the bishops were aproved by the Byzantine Emire and were Greeks..most of them.Thirdly, I don't think that the Second Bulgrian Tsardom when first appeared included Western Macedonia and Ochrid - they were part of the Byzantine Empire.So we have a Byzantine-controlled Ochrid Archibishopy within the bounderies of the Byzantine Empire...Bulgaria needed independent chirch and the Byzantines of course would not give it AS THE SERBS(SPC) DON'T give you independence from them today...The trick was to open a NEW institution in Ternovo na ask the Pope to recognise it...[You can do the same :) open a new institution in Skopje and ask the Pope to recognise it...and the problem with the serbs is over;)] Read about the Turnovo and Ohrid chirches here: [url]http://synpress.bglink.net/08-2003/8-patriarshiata.htm[/url] [url]http://religiabg.com/index.php?p=religii&id=1[/url] [url]http://synpress.bglink.net/09-2003/patriarsi.htm[/url] As for the Origin of Asen and Peter it is not clear..I think they were half Pechaneg or something like that, maybe Vlachs...dunno,not so sure...HOWEVER, they were BG rulers...Ethnicity has nothing to do with identity here. Most Royalties in Europe intermerried and today the Queen of England is more German than English...The BG Tsar Simeon 2 has no BG blood as far as I know... Създадената по този начин Охридска архиепископия, която била приемница на Първата българска патриаршия, станала единствената опора и утешителка на целия български народ през близо двувековното византийско владичество. Но особено големи били заслугите на Охридския духовен център за опазване народностното самосъзнание и българския дух на населението на западните области, които през повечето време на своето историческо битие се намирали под чужда политическа власт (византийска, латинска, сръбска и османска) и много рядко имали щастието да бъдат в състава на еднородна България. Охридските архиепископи (в по-голямата си част от гръцки произход) са оставили неопровержими свидетелства за българската принадлежност на своето паство, като се титулували “архиепископи на цяла България”. Водени от съзнанието, че са носители на каноничните права и достойнство на Преславската патриаршия, те се наричали патриарси (XVI-XVII в.), ревностно отстоявали и опазвали в продължение на осем века (до неправомерното й унищожаване през 1767 г.) автокефалията на Охридската българска архиепископия. Yup...the fact that they called themselve Patriarchs of Bulgaria alone should be enough to show u what was this chirch all about... You never had 2 BG Patriarchies!!! You had One BG Patriachy and 1 BG Archibishopy in Ohrid.
noname	quote: Originally posted by bitushanec Noname Tatarche eve ti odgovor. Bugarite velat deka Car Samoil e naslednik na Bugarskata Drzhava na Khan Boris. Emi ako bil naslednik na Khan Boris nema da pravi Patrijarshija vo Ohrid tuku vo Silistra ke si ja zadrzhi, Ta neli Samoil e balgarin i se drzhi do balgarskata tradicija? Tuku ajde tatarche odgovori mi, ta neli Ohridskata Patrijarshija bila Bugarska, kako toa se formira Patrijarshija vo Veliko Trnovo? Neli edna drzhava, edna avtokefalna crkva! Dokaz: Ohridskata Crkva e samo MAKEDONSKA! A vo Veliko Trnovo se formira VLASHKA Patrijarshija na vlasite ASEN I PETAR koi ne bile Balgari! Drzhavata se vikala samo Bugarska otkako Khan Nogay- Tatarskiot Gospodar ja zazel drzhavata na vlasite. Aj kazhi mi kade se seli Pechkata i Carigradskata Patrijarshija? Ke ti pomognam ot dobri chuvstva. Iako e nepocteno i nizko da begash ot tema i da se vadish kato ne otgovarsh. Proveri kade bila Carigradskata patriarshija primerno prez 1230 g.! 1. Za toa kakva bila Trnovskata patriarshija proceti korespondencijata m/u car Kalojan i papata (primerno); 2. Ohridskata Arhiepiskopija e vizantiiska crkva PREKO podchinena na vizantiiskiot imperator (mislam deka znaesh ili zaboravi?); 3. Nema takava balgarska "tradicija" za patriarshija vo Silistra. Zasto pa tochno Silistra, a ne Sofia?
bitushanec	Noname, pak se izgubi vo tvoite lagi. Prvo velish Ohridskata Crkva e Bugarska. Potoa velish Ohridkaat Crkva e Vizantiska. Sega morame da se odlichime cija Crkva e Ohridskata. Ponatamu velish deka Bugarskiot Patrijarh se seli vo Ohrid. Emi zoshto Ohridskiot Patrijarh ne se seli vo Vekliko Trnovo ako bil Bugarski? Emi i Silistra i Ohrid bile pod Car Samoil? Zosto ako bil Car Samoil Bugarski Car si zadaval glavobolka da FORMIRA USTE EDNA AFTOKEFALNA CRKVA? KAKO TOA DVE AFTOKEFALNI CRKVI VO EDNO CARSTVO?! DVE AFTOKEFALNI CRKVI = DVE RAZLICNI DRZAVI! osto Silistra? Pa tamu e centarot na Dunavskite Tatari i sekogash taa oblast glavno bila upravuvana od Tatarski-Turski Narod: Kumani, Bugari itn.... SAM SI PAGAS VO LAGITE, TATAROLJUBECU!
Divider	Tataroglu, aj more tap tatarlar, pak si tuka na velikomakedonskite forumi za da siris lagi, propagnada i idiotizmi?!!! Oooo tatarlar aj odi legni si, nema da ti pomine, ama barem nema da gnjavis.
Bicho	quote: Originally posted by Saturn quote: PATRIJARHOT DAMJAN BIL ZAKOPAN NA SILISTRA, POKRAJ DUNAV! Yup...that's true...The Old name of Silistra is Doristol(Dristra) one of the "capitals" of the patriarch after the fall of Veliki Preslav. After his death he was "zakopan" there, after Samuil liberated the city from the Byzantines in 976. Abe chuvash, oti more ne zboruvash na Makedonski jazik? Kako shto gledam nemash problem so chitanje na Makedonski (dodusha istochno Makedonsko narechje, ama sepak e Makedonski), pa pretpostavuvam i deka go govorish i ne samo toa tuku i mi se chini deka Makedonskiot ti e majchin jazik. Ne se srami od sopstveniot jazik nie si go razbirame narechjeto na nashite izmelezeni Makedonski brakja od Istochna Makedonija (aka bugarija)! De gukni neshto na ubaviot Istochnomakedonski dialekt...
Divider	Sto ke guknue, sram mu e sto lazna propagadna siri!! Se pravi deka ne e tataroglu!!
noname	quote: Originally posted by bitushanec Noname, pak se izgubi vo tvoite lagi. Prvo velish Ohridskata Crkva e Bugarska. Potoa velish Ohridkaat Crkva e Vizantiska. Sega morame da se odlichime cija Crkva e Ohridskata. Ponatamu velish deka Bugarskiot Patrijarh se seli vo Ohrid. Emi zoshto Ohridskiot Patrijarh ne se seli vo Vekliko Trnovo ako bil Bugarski? Emi i Silistra i Ohrid bile pod Car Samoil? Zosto ako bil Car Samoil Bugarski Car si zadaval glavobolka da FORMIRA USTE EDNA AFTOKEFALNA CRKVA? KAKO TOA DVE AFTOKEFALNI CRKVI VO EDNO CARSTVO?! DVE AFTOKEFALNI CRKVI = DVE RAZLICNI DRZAVI! osto Silistra? Pa tamu e centarot na Dunavskite Tatari i sekogash taa oblast glavno bila upravuvana od Tatarski-Turski Narod: Kumani, Bugari itn.... SAM SI PAGAS VO LAGITE, TATAROLJUBECU! C c c Sgreshih, kato ti otgovorih chestno. Nikoi ne mi e vinoven 1. KOJA Ohridska crkva? 2. Kak moze BG patriarh da se seli vo Veliko Trnovo prez 10 vek, ako TAKOV grad dori ne postoel po tova vreme, aide otgovori? 3. Koi ti kaza deka car Samuil formiral 2 crkvi? 4. Vo Silistra za prv pat imalo tatari ne po-rano ot 13 vek! 5. Zasto Silistra da e centar na neshto, oste poveke vo 10 vek? A zasto ne Bitola? Ili Pliska? Ili Shumen? Ili Prilep? Ili Preslav? I kakvo znacenie ima za Patriarshijata dali eden grad (osven ako ne e stolica) dali e centar na nekoja si oblast? A dali imalo kumani vo 10 vek na po-blizo ot 10 000 km. ot Silistra? I dali edna Patriarshija bi se interesuvala ot kumani voobsto ili ot HRISTIJANITE?? Proveri li za Carigradskata Patriarshija?
Saturn	quote: Prvo velish Ohridskata Crkva e Bugarska. Potoa velish Ohridkaat Crkva e Vizantiska. Sega morame da se odlichime cija Crkva e Ohridskata. Well either you are a moron or are pretending tobe one...I dunno..Don't you read what I post? You don't have to believe it, but don't ask questions already answerd in my previous post!!! Ohrid WAS a BG patriachy coz it was the same one the moved from Preslav to Doristol to Sredec (Sofia) to Maglen,Voden and Prespa and then to Ohrid... A few years after the death of Samuil Bg fell under Byzantine rule..The Patriarchy was degraded to archibshopy "of all the territories of Bulgaria" - that was the OFFICIAL NAME...However it was under Byzantine rule...it was a Byzantine in that sense... quote: Ponatamu velish deka Bugarskiot Patrijarh se seli vo Ohrid. Emi zoshto Ohridskiot Patrijarh ne se seli vo Vekliko Trnovo ako bil Bugarski? First it is not Ohrid Patrirchy after it was degrade it was Archibishopy..Second, the archibishops were Greeks,most of the and were appointed by Constantinopol.Thirdly, Ohrid was part of the Byzantine Empire not part of the Second BG Tsardom at that point...Simply put Ohrid's technically remaind BG archibishopy as it was the remnant of the First Bg Patriarchy but under direct control from the Constatinope Patrirchy and the Emperor...the Archibishop was not Bulgarian, but a greek. quote: Emi i Silistra i Ohrid bile pod Car Samoil? Zosto ako bil Car Samoil Bugarski Car si zadaval glavobolka da FORMIRA USTE EDNA AFTOKEFALNA CRKVA? KAKO TOA DVE AFTOKEFALNI CRKVI VO EDNO CARSTVO?! First Silistra was a temporary residence of the PAtriarch...like Sredec(Sofia),Magen,Voden and Prespa...Why not move it beck to Sredec then?Secondly, Silistra was freed later...at first it was not part of the Tsardom...Thirdly, it was close to the then ruled by Byzantine Empire South East Bulgaria and SeaSide...The Patriarchy in the BG tradition simply follows the Tsar...If the Tsar had his capital in Sofia then it moved to Sofia...if it was in Ohrid then it moved to Ohrid... quote: DVE AFTOKEFALNI CRKVI = DVE RAZLICNI DRZAVI! During the 2nd BG Tsardon - there was 1 BG Patriarchy and 1 Archibishpy Called BG Archibishopy,it was under Byzantine control with Greek priests...It's as easy as that...Most of Serbia's territories were under the rule of the Bg PAtriarchy...so Are you saying that they were Bulgarians???Eastern Macedonia was ALSO under the dionzenia of the BG Patriarch in Turnovo... quote: osto Silistra? Pa tamu e centarot na Dunavskite Tatari i sekogash taa oblast glavno bila upravuvana od Tatarski-Turski Narod: Kumani, Bugari itn.... SAM SI PAGAS VO LAGITE, TATAROLJUBECU! NO COMMENT... I will leave this to the rest to comment..It just shows how stupid you are...Came to Bg and Show me one single Tatar...It the only word in your dictionary...Tatar ...Tatar...One can always understant that you can't say anything about the issue when you use this word... Tatars came as invaders after Samuil and Asen and Peter...So during that time there haven't been any tatars there, not that I have see a single Person in Silistra that looks as one...but if yu say so;)... P.S. Dividerche I am not speaking with ya obviously...ne se meshi...
Divider	"...Came to Bg and Show me one single Tatar..." Pogledni se vo zrkalo tataroglu i posle prestani da postiras idiotizmi. kazi im na tvoite vo centralata deka istata ploca ja vrtat odamna i deka veke e dosadno, veke ne e duri ni smezno, a ni tazno! Sod off from the forum ejeet!!
Saturn	quote: "Pogledni se vo zrkalo tataroglu" Hah It was a long time since I last heard the word zrkalo...haha...yup it brings sweet memories..We prefer to use ogledalo...Zrkalo is used by "selenite"... Well I keep looooooking And Cannot see anything....hmmm..are you sure...maybe something is wrong with my zrkalo...Do you think I should change it? Ah, well...Do you have a BG TV I don't look much diff from the majority of the ppl on the TV... Oh...wait, I thik you have only the gypsy channel Planeta...oh no...I really feel sorry for you...You have been probably moronized by watching that selski kanal...Ask you cable operator for - Btv,NovaTv or MMTV...much beter... Eh well...I will keep on looking...I might see something... quote: nashite izmelezeni Makedonski brakja od Istochna Makedonija (aka bugarija)! Ok so am I izmelezen Makedonez or Tatar...Ah? I am getting confused here...HELP...[:p] Dividere tell me bradere...Should I go on looking..will I see it in the zrkaloto...will I ah....[;)]
Christian	Aman be od ova tatarive, samo metak u celo i ajt so zdravje. Pa na edna bandera da i objasnuvavte ke ve svatese.
Divider	Gledaj tataroglu, gledaj vo zrkaloto, bidejki ne zasluzuvas da poglednes vo ogledaloto i ke vidis. BTW, jas tvrdam deka si ili tataroglu ili makedonec zabluden, ti biraj. Isto taka, vidi si krasavicata, misicata, kako da e od Kazanskite stepi ili Krigistan i ke vidis taatrlarka!
Misirkov	--------------------------------------------------------------------- "...Came to Bg and Show me one single Tatar..." --------------------------------------------------------------------- http://members.fortunecity.com/timurberk/kirim/ttrbg/bgtatarframe.html ".......There was a Bulgarian tsar who was a Tatar - Chaka; that’s what I’ve been telling them, but they won’t believe me". The name of this "Bulgarian tsar" is also cited as Chakatai and Isai......"[:D]
Chernorizec	quote: "...Came to Bg and Show me one single Tatar..." http://members.fortunecity.com/timurberk/kirim/ttrbg/bgtatarframe.html Yes, there are Tatars in Bulgaria. But the point is that you call Bulgarians Tatars while it is obvious Tatars are distinct ethnic group in Bulgaria. And maybe you shuld read the web site you have foud to see exactly when Tatars came to Bulgaria. “After 1241 , the year of the earliest recorded Tatar invasion of Bulgaria, the Mediaeval Bulgarian Kingdom maintained constant political contacts with the Tatars. In this early period (13th and 14th century), "Tatar" was not an ethnonym but a general term for the armies of Ghengiz Khan’s successors. From the late 14th to the late 15th century, several groups of Tatars settled in the Bulgarian territory (then under Ottoman rule) for various reasons. The 18th century saw die beginning of a radical change in the ethnic composition of the Northern Black Sea region as a result of Russian invasions from the south. Between 1783, when the Crimean khanate was annexed to Russia, and 1874. there were several waves of emigration from the Crimea and Kuban, and a considerable number of Crimean Tatars settled in the Bulgarian lands. The Tatars who live in Bulgaria today are descended precisely from those immigrants, who kept their identity. The largest wave of emigration was during and after the Crimean War (1853-1856). Of the approximately 230,000 Tatars who emigrated from 1854 to 1862, about 60,000 settled on Bulgarian territory (Romanski, 1917, p. 266). The majority dispersed in Northern Bulgaria especially in Dobroudja, on the plains near the Danube River and in the area of Vidin. ” And what was the topic? Oh.. yes. Samuil and Ochrid Archbishopy. And when you have no arguments here comes the old song about Bulgarians being Tatars. Ha ha ha You ar so easy and confused. [:D][:D][:D]
Divider	Samoilo bil i ke ostane Makedonski kral i car i pokraj iljadagodisnata tatarska propaganda so koja im gi ispravte mozocite na nasite istocni braka od okupiranata teritorija!