| Stop Bi*ching and Get Over It |
| mafisKumA |
Na mnogu mesta imam citano posts kasto Makedonci sto zivet u stranstvo samo je napajgat vo novata zemja koja sto gi primila da zivet i samo kukat za Makedonia.
Edno prasajne imam za site tije. Sto vi preci da si gi pakovate kuferite od kajsto zivejte stom vi je tolku loso vo stranstvo i da se vratite nazat vo Makedonia da zivejte?
Barem ednas kazete deka ste blagodarni za sto zivejte vo stranstvo, sti dobile sanca sto mnogu od Makedonia do den deneska bi ubile za da je imat istata sanca ko sto je imate vije. Sigurna sum deka 99% od vas drzite pasus od stranstvo sto so toj pasus slobodno bi mogle da setate niz cel svet, imate sloboda sto nemozite da je ogrlite.
I mene mi e Makedonia u srce isto kako na site vas ama Australia is my home. Ova drzava mi pruzila sanci u zivot sto ne ni bi mozela da sonuvam. I iskreno milo mi e sto znam ako moje dete se poboli mozam pod hitno da go odnesam na doktor BEZ 3 kila rakija ili nesto drug poklon za doktorot ili pa da baram prijateli samo za da mozam dete da si odnesam na doktor.
Blagodarna sum sto ova drzava mi dozvolila da si veruvam vo moja vera, da imame nasa crkva, da si zboruvame po nash jazik, da slusame i svirime nasa muzika, da si gi cuvame nasi tradici, da go pokazime naseto zname. Ako poslem se to pak nevi cini slobodni ste da se vratite nazat.
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| Great_Macedonian |
Willsurvive... na legal i pisuvam na angliski zas makedonskiot tesko go razbira.
Aus-Mk... avstralija nema najgolem standard vo svetot.. koj te laze be bracko?? toa e se ebi veter sto pisuvaat statisticki podatoci. |
| n/a |
legal eagle, ti si toa sto ja unistue makedonija. ti i takvite kao tebe prodadeni dusi ke sakate sve samo toa sto treba ne. 100 % sum siguren deka ni decko nemas, a i ako imas nekakov ili edvaj te trpi ili e gl*p ko tocak. mi se gadi od sve sto bi kazala ti, ili takvite kako tebe. marsh u australia, i ne se vrakaj u MK "i onaka nekoj bi te iskoristil da ide u aus za da zivee na tvoeto bogatsvo".gitla be site "makedonci" australijci. ako nekoj se prepoznal ovde bolje da mi vraka, posto site ke znaat kakov e.
p.s nogu jako znaete angliski be, braos ashkolsun |
| Thunder from down under |
ne si vo pravo kuma... |
| HaCkEr` |
Jas mislam deka e vo MNOGU GOLEMO PRAVO.. Bravo Kuma.. i LOVE YOU!!! |
| VeGaS |
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Originally posted by mafisKumA
...I iskreno milo mi e sto znam ako moje dete se poboli mozam pod hitno da go odnesam na doktor BEZ 3 kila rakija ili nesto drug poklon za doktorot ili pa da baram prijateli samo za da mozam dete da si odnesam na doktor...
Garant ne si zapoznaena so zdrastvenite beneficii vo US, neznam za AU...
Inache globalno za tvojot post, mislam deka greshish !
Site nie sto sme nadvor od MKD, sme zaradi edna prichina; deka vo tuginava sme se snashle mnogu podobro odkolku vo rodnata ni zemja (za vo finanskiski pogled zboram!)
Koga site nie (tugincive) bi se snashle finansiski vo MKD isto kako vo tuginava (ili barem priblizno!) ne bi bile tuka, so sigurnost!
Nemozesh tolku lesno da rechish ako ne ti se sviga vo tuginava, pakuvaj se i letaj za MKD, ne plachi za nea... Najgolemiot del od iselenicite ne plachat za MKD, plachat za socijalniot zivot sto go ima vo nea, na koj sto se naviknale, vo koj sto porasnale ...
I jas sum razmisluval kako tebe mnogu pati, ali takov zakluchok sum donesuval samo tie 3 min od depresija, koga ke mu ja razmislish podlaboko epten razlichno izlava ...
Barem jas taka mislam, sto ne znachi i ti, vie !
Pozdrav
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| Great_Macedonian |
Quote MafisKuma: "I mene mi e Makedonia u srce isto kako na site vas ama Australia is my home"
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Tuka se razlikuvame jas i ti Kumo.. za mene Macedonia is my Home.
Licno za mene da ti kazam, jas sum mlad student na fakultet, makedonija ne mozam da se vratam poradi finansiski pricini. Koga ke zavrsam fakultet, koga ke specalam dovolno pari za da mozam da se vratam vo Makedonija, jas ke se vratam.
Jas ne plukam na sistemot vo avstralija, blagodaren sum sto ovaa drzava mi pruzila prilika za mnogu raboti. No toa sto vo dusata go cuvstvuva eden covek ne moze da se zamene bez razlika kolku povolni uslovi ima drzavata vo koj toj zivee.
Pokraj site povolni uslovi vo avstralija, i pokraj site teskotii vo makedonija, jas nemozam nikogas avstralija da ja narecam 'doma'.. jas sum dojdenec vo ovaa drzava, mojot dom e vo 'makedonija'. Taka se cuvstvuvam koga sum vo makedonija na odmor. Koga se vrajkam od odmor vo makedonija, ne cuvstvuvam deka odam 'doma', tuku vo 'tugina'. Ovie se mojte cuvstva, sekoj covek e razlicen.
Za mene navazno e poeto pokolenie da si go zacuva svojot makedonski identitet. Priznale ili ne Mafis.. vo avstralija, amerika ili kanada makedoncite se asimiliraat. Jas sum licen svedok na toa kako roditelite makedonci na svojte novorodeni decinja im vboruvaat samo na angliski jazik. Sum sretnal mnogu makedonci koj sto ne znaat od koj grad vo makedonija tie poteknuvaat (glavno tie sto se rodeni vo avstralija) i za kraj sto e najzalno, imam sretnato mnogu makedonci koj velat deka ne bile makedonci tuku avstralci. Koga ke gi prasam zasto se avstralci a ne makedonci, mi velat "vo avstralija sum roden, ova e moja drzava, jas sum avstralec".
Jas mozam da garantiram deka koga ke imam deca, ke im govoram na makedonski zazik, ke gi ucam za makedonija, ke im kazam da se gordeat sto se makedonci... no ne mozam da garantiram deka nekoj(a) od niv ne ke se omazi ili ozeni za NE-makedonec.. i ne mozam da garantiram deka mojte deca na nivnite deca ke im go prenesat toj makedonski patriotizam, makedonskiot jazik i kultura.
Ova e glavnata pricina zosto jas sakam da se vratam vo makedonija, sakam mojte deca da si porasnat vo svojata zemja.. ne sakam da sum del od makedonskata dijaspora koja so tek na vreme ke se Asimilira dobrovolno.
Toa sto ne uspejaa turcite da ni go napravat za 500 godini, makedoncite vo avstralija go pravat dobrovolno-asimilacija.
Dzabe ti e makedonska crkva.. makedonski klub mafis... koga tvojte deca i nivnite deca mozebi nema noga da stapnat vo niv i nemat da cuvstvuvet nikakva povrzanost so makedonija. |
| Legal-Eagle |
WOW You go girl!
I have said this all along. But when i say it everyone jumps up and down. Maybe it might be my condescending writing style? Or maybe it is just me.
Brave Act! Well Done![:D]
I agree whole heartedly. There is no denying the fact that i am 100% Australian made, but of fine imported European threads! |
| mafisKumA |
Thanks hackie, love you too mate [:X]
Legal it must have been in your delivery [:p]
Thunder, nemozis samo da kazis "nesi vo pravo kuma" bez da objasnis vo koj del nesum vo pravo? nesum vo pravo deka jas i ti imame CHOICE da zivejme vo stranstvo, ili deka tije od Makedonia barat na koj bil nacin da izlezat od Makedonia? Se mazat se zenat bez ljubov samo za da izlezat od Makedonia. Ako sakas mozam da pastiram emails i logs (obavezno bez nicks ili email adresi) od lujge sto licno mene mi barat pomos a nemozam da mu pomognam.
Fintate e site sto ziveeme vo stranstvo imame CHOICE and we have all CHOSEN da zivejme vo stranstvo. Na toj sto nemu se svijga da zivej vo tujgina imat CHOICE da se vrati vo Makedonia, nikoj neve drzi so sindziri, ama deka go imate toj CHOICE you CHOOSE to live in Australia, USA, Canada, Sweden, Germany or where ever.
Great,with all due respect, ti rece deka sti zivejle vo Australia i sti se vratile vo Makedonia and I quote " At one stage 1994-96 my family and i even moved back there, only to come back "vo tugina" again. You and your family made the CHOSE to come back to Australia. The operative word here is CHOICE.
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| n/a |
BRAO MAJSTORE SEA SI CAR (imash od mene 3 Kila Rakija ) BRAVO CARE
Eden golem pozdrav do Moderatorot na forumot sho mi go izbisha Reply to.I na forumov imalo korupcija i mito (100 % ponudil nekoj poishe rakija )
P.S. brishi postovi sho treba a ne mojot (mozhe trebashe zhuta da ti donesam..) |
| mafisKumA |
quote:
Originally posted by How1tzer
BRAO MAJSTORE SEA SI CAR (imash od mene 3 Kila Rakija ) BRAVO CARE
Eden golem pozdrav do Moderatorot na forumot sho mi go izbisha Reply to.I na forumov imalo korupcija i mito (100 % ponudil nekoj poishe rakija )
P.S. brishi postovi sho treba a ne mojot (mozhe trebashe zhuta da ti donesam..)
ti vetuvam deka jas nemam ni tvoj ni od nikoj post izbrisano a bi sakala da znam sto si napisal
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| Great_Macedonian |
Quote MafisKuma: "Great,with all due respect, ti rece deka sti zivejle vo Australia i sti se vratile vo Makedonia and I quote " At one stage 1994-96 my family and i even moved back there, only to come back "vo tugina" again. You and your family made the CHOSE to come back to Australia. The operative word here is CHOICE."
First of all, 'Choice' can be willingly, but u might also be forced to make a 'choice' which you do not want to make, because of reasons we are all aware of, when it comes to why people leave macedonia.
Mafis, i agree with you when you say that people who constantly "cry" for macedonia, should go back, coz nobody is forcing them to live in e.g australia. However though, that statement only goes for people who have the 'capital-money' to go back there and still dont, those people should shutup.
With people like me though, who are uni students and have no means of survival if they go back to macedonia, i have the right to "cry" for macedonia, because there is obviously somthing thats preventing me from going back there. If i had the funds, id go back to macedonia today.
So your argument is true only depending on who its directed towards. |
| cile |
How1tzer, so zuta prijatele ne praish nisto !! Ke frlish nekoja paricka i nemash gajle pisuvaj shto sakash. Stvarno koj mu go izbrisha postot na coekot??? Vcera go citav tuka a sega go nema
Mafishkuma, nemozesh na nekoj da mu vetish deka ne si mu go izbrishala postot.Vetuvanjeto se odnesuva za idno vreme, mozes nekogo da uveruvash-ubeduvash deka ne si mu go izbrishala! |
| silijeski |
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Originally posted by mafisKumA
Edno prasajne imam za site tije. Sto vi preci da si gi pakovate kuferite od kajsto zivejte stom vi je tolku loso vo stranstvo i da se vratite nazat vo Makedonia da zivejte?
Il padrino za nekoj mesec si gi pakuva kuferite i se vraka kade do pred 4 godini ziveese dobar zivot,i iskreno se nadeva na uste podobar
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I mene mi e Makedonia u srce isto kako na site vas ama Australia is my home.............I iskreno milo mi e sto znam ako moje dete se poboli mozam pod hitno da go odnesam na doktor BEZ 3 kila rakija ili nesto drug poklon za doktorot...
Akerika nikogas ne bese moj dom,a nema ni da mi bide,ovde i 100 godini da bidam ke se custvuvam kako stranec.Nemoj da mislis deka nemam drugari ili prijateli makedonci ovde,naprotiv imam mnogu i 99% od niv planiraat za najmnogu 1-2 godini da gi spakuvaat kuferite i da se vratat vo zemjata koja ja custvuvaat kako svoj dom.I za trite kila rakija sto prajs muabet,toa sega e malku poinaku i ne bi sakal da ti objasnuvam |
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Cile Prijatele ne se Sekiraj go imam postot u ctrl+v kje go postuvam pak pokasno ......
za da vidat lugjeto shto napishav.... |
| Great_Macedonian |
silijeski.. taka e! Tuga zemja nikogas ne moze da ni bide nas dom.
No za toa deka 99% od dijasporata za dve godini ke se vrati vo makedonija? Jas mislam deka tesko!
Nie ke sme srejkni ako 20% od nas se vratat vo makedonija vo narednite deset godini. sekoj zboruva za vrakanje no nese resava nikoj tolku lesno, mozebi jas i ti ke se vratime, ama mnozinstvoto zboruvaat na prazno.
A za toa deka tri kila rakija treba da mu dajs na doktorot.. hehe mafis nesme 1960ta godina.. ke treba mnogu povejke.. mora viski da mu kupis, kafe e obavezno, pa i edna para sto evra da mu piknis pod ramo ako svrsil nekoja "golema" rabota kako 'uspesno zavrsena operacija.
Fala bogu sto jas nikogas nikogo ne sum podmitil, i nema ni da go storam toa dodeka sum ziv.
No za mito i korupcijata vo zdravstvoto mozeme na druga tema da razgovarame, ednostavno mora celosno da se reformira i da se investira vo nego za modernizacija. Ako staneme zemja kandidat za EU, tie ke ni dadat pari za reformi.. a drugoto ostanuva do kolku e azurna nasata vlast da go sredi. |
| Divider |
Браос за оние кои ќе се спакуваат и ќе се приберат дома, назад, во златна и преубава Македонија.
Срам и арам Кумо што така збориш!!! Срам да ти е. Еднаш Македонец/ка засекогаш македонец/ка. Македонија вечно во срцето се носи!!!
П.С.Рофја че ве мавни ако така мислите!!!Господ ја чува Македонија.
Како и да е сега поарно ќе биде!!
Да не речете дека не ве предупредив, а вие како милувате! |
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Na mnogu mesta imam citano posts kasto Makedonci sto zivet u stranstvo samo je napajgat vo novata zemja koja sto gi primila da zivet i samo kukat za Makedonia.Kazhi koi se tie da vidime ako si tolku sigurna ?Edno prasajne imam za site tije. Dobro... Sto vi preci da si gi pakovate kuferite od kajsto zivejte stom vi je tolku loso vo stranstvo i da se vratite nazat vo Makedonia da zivejte? Tie kje treba sami da si odluchat za niv ne Ti , a koi se tie ???Barem ednas kazete deka ste blagodarni za sto zivejte vo stranstvo, sti dobile sanca sto mnogu od Makedonia do den deneska bi ubile za da je imat istata sanca ko sto je imate vije. Daj da gi vidime i tie shto sakaat da ubijat i za kade da ubijat da gi pratime surgun anadolija!! Sigurna sum deka 99% od vas drzite pasus od stranstvo sto so toj pasus slobodno bi mogle da setate niz cel svet, imate sloboda sto nemozite da je ogrlite. Srekjen vi put na site pozdravete nataka kogo kje vidite !!!I mene mi e Makedonia u srce isto kako na site vas ama Australia is my home.c c c OK i.. Ova drzava mi pruzila sanci u zivot sto ne ni bi mozela da sonuvam.Srekjni sme za tebe.. I iskreno milo mi e sto znam ako moje dete se poboli mozam pod hitno da go odnesam na doktor BEZ 3 kila rakija ili nesto drug poklon za doktorot ili pa da baram prijateli samo za da mozam dete da si odnesam na doktor. Se nadevam deka nema da se razboli (da tie zhivo i zdravo) .....i kaj si slushnala mito 3 Kila rakija u agino selo ??????Blagodarna sum sto ova drzava Blagodarnost i od nas.. mi dozvolila da si veruvam vo moja vera,Prodolzhi da veruvash i ponataka... da imame nasa crkva, da si zboruvame po nash jazik, da slusame i svirime nasa muzika,I jas sum za toa ama da ima poishe Turbo Folk da si gi cuvame nasi tradici, da go pokazime naseto zname. Ako poslem se to pak nevi cini slobodni ste da se vratite nazat. Koj se zhalel deka ne chini????
Ova beshe postot shto mi bese izbrishan , neznam zasto ama eve go pak
P.S. Prodavam Rakija (zhuta) iskljuchivo samo za Mito !
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| mafisKumA |
How1tzer it was not I who deleted your post and I would like to see what you wrote. Is that better cile? [;)]
For future reference, I'm a strong advocate of "Freedom Of Speech" and therefore am interested in reading what others have to say. That's how one learns, by exchanging opinions and ideas.
Vegas hit the nail on the head with his post "Site nie sto sme nadvor od MKD, sme zaradi edna prichina; deka vo tuginava sme se snashle mnogu podobro odkolku vo rodnata ni zemja (za vo finanskiski pogled zboram!)" i "Koga site nie (tugincive) bi se snashle finansiski vo MKD isto kako vo tuginava (ili barem priblizno!) ne bi bile tuka, so sigurnost!" That's why I said this is the path we have all carved for ourselves so let's get on with it. No one has migrated to Somalia, Etheopia or Rawanda we have all migrated to prosperous place so make the most of it without complaining.
Great_Macedonian we all have the choice but due to monitory and materialistic benefits we have all chosen to reside abroad. The whole point of this topic is that all those living abroad, who enjoy the aforementioned benefits, should be content with the choice they've made and get on with the life they have chosen for themselves without constant bereavement.
I find it extremely hypocritical of those living abroad with the attitude of "Gee I like getting my pay cheque every week/fortnight/month and the benefits thereof but there's still nothing better than Macedonia."
As for the 3 kila rakija I am well aware that more than that is required, I witnessed it first hand two years ago when my aunty required urgent medical treatment.
silijeski my family too, back in 1968, thought they would migrate to Australia only for a couple of years and then it's back to Macedonia but 37 years later that's not the case. I can guarantee you that 90% of those with the intention of returning permanently to Macedonia will not. They will remain in their adopted country.
Divider zosto sram da mi e? Because I've resigned myself to the fact that mine and my childrens opportunities are greater or that lives are better here, so let's just get on with life and enjoy it? Or is it the endearment I have for my adopted country or the fact that I have a prosperous life here, coupled with the fact that I have the freedom to speak the Macedonian language and wave the Macedonian flag at will, the fact that I can practice the Orthodox religion ....so on and so forth? Is this what I have to be ashamed of or apologetic for?
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Originally posted by mafisKumA
How1tzer it was not I who deleted your post and I would like to see what you wrote.
LOL
Pa neli go gledash pogore lool [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D] |
| mafisKumA |
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Originally posted by How1tzer
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Originally posted by mafisKumA
How1tzer it was not I who deleted your post and I would like to see what you wrote. Is that better cile?
LOL
Pa neli go gledash pogore lool [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]
that was directed more so at cile than you
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| RaGeAnGeL |
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Originally posted by Divider
Браос за оние кои ќе се спакуваат и ќе се приберат дома, назад, во златна и преубава Македонија.
Срам и арам Кумо што така збориш!!! Срам да ти е. Еднаш Македонец/ка засекогаш македонец/ка. Македонија вечно во срцето се носи!!!
П.С.Рофја че ве мавни ако така мислите!!!Господ ја чува Македонија.
Како и да е сега поарно ќе биде!!
Да не речете дека не ве предупредив, а вие како милувате!
ne seri per[:D]rofja tebe da te mavnet vaper eden...ne ja znajs kuma ..ne i e okej taka da komentiras...iskreno mnogu ubo si kaza taa samo koj kako sakase da svatit...Makedonija DA se nosi vo srceto i bla bla(so da pram ne sum emotivec)ali ako veke ziveeso vo druga drzava 30 ili pojke godini imas familija deca vnuci itn itn ..thats your home...sakal ti vervel sakal ne vervel..i da ...treba da si blagodaren so drzavata te primila i ti dala shansa da zivees kako normalen covek...zato take it easy babe ...and yeah stop bitching about it...sekoj ima pravo na svoe mislenje i sekoj poinako go gleda svetot i smislata za zivot[:)]ako sakas nekoj da go pocituva tvoeto ...pocituvaj go i ti negovoto...a ti kako si miluvash[;)]ah i drugo ke zaboraev...sho ti znaci ona ..da ne recete deka ne ve preduprediv?[:D] |
| cile |
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by mafiskuma
...Is that better cile?
dobro e sega [;)] |
| Divider |
Рејџ. се мисли на рофјата, предупредив, нели, посел да не речит некој не беше кажано, хехехехе.
А бе се тоа убо, ама па зошто тогај, кога еве се стокмиле, супрајле, па не се вратат да ни поможат, а?
Ееее, глејш! |
| dejan |
quote:
Originally posted by How1tzer
BRAO MAJSTORE SEA SI CAR (imash od mene 3 Kila Rakija ) BRAVO CARE
Eden golem pozdrav do Moderatorot na forumot sho mi go izbisha Reply to.I na forumov imalo korupcija i mito (100 % ponudil nekoj poishe rakija )
P.S. brishi postovi sho treba a ne mojot (mozhe trebashe zhuta da ti donesam..)
hahahahahahah
lele me nasmee sega:p
pa izgleda moras da znaes nekoj po gore za da ne ti izbrisat replyot:p |
| Great_Macedonian |
Mora edno site da avatime, a toa e deka ima golema razlika pomejgu makedoncite vo stranstvo koj emigrirale tamu i pomejgu tie koj se rodila tamu. Mafis ili e rodena avstralija, ili nikogas (ednas dvapati) bila makedonija, pa zatoa razbirlivo e toa sto za nea avstralija bil nejzin dom. Kade sakate moze da bide vas dom, no nikogas da ne zaboravite deka vie ste makedonci, ceda aleksandrovi!
Za mene Makedonija e moj dom, jas sum emigrant vo avstralija i taka sekogas ke se cuvstvuvam, se dodeka ne dobijam prilika da se vratam doma vo makedonija.
Mafis.. za toa deka "you like getting your weekly payments in your adopted countries and still say macedonia is the best".. well za mene macedonia is the best. Vo makedonija ne cinat mnogu raboti, no nacinot na zivot e sto pati podobar od avstralija. Vo avstralija edna plata od $500 dolari nedelno (ako si srejken tolku da zemis) nema da ti stigne do kraj na nedelata.. e pa sega zosto mislis deka jas bi bil zadovolen so mojata plata?? |
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Originally posted by dejan
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Originally posted by How1tzer
BRAO MAJSTORE SEA SI CAR (imash od mene 3 Kila Rakija ) BRAVO CARE
Eden golem pozdrav do Moderatorot na forumot sho mi go izbisha Reply to.I na forumov imalo korupcija i mito (100 % ponudil nekoj poishe rakija )
P.S. brishi postovi sho treba a ne mojot (mozhe trebashe zhuta da ti donesam..)
hahahahahahah
lele me nasmee sega:p
pa izgleda moras da znaes nekoj po gore za da ne ti izbrisat replyot:p
Dejan milo mi e shto te nasmeav, kje se obiduvam i ponataka ! [;)]
P.S Pojavena e golema pobaruvachka za Mito ! |
| dejan |
lol, nisto;) |
| RaGeAnGeL |
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Originally posted by Divider
Рејџ. се мисли на рофјата, предупредив, нели, посел да не речит некој не беше кажано, хехехехе.
А бе се тоа убо, ама па зошто тогај, кога еве се стокмиле, супрајле, па не се вратат да ни поможат, а?
Ееее, глејш!
per:)) save that bullsh*t for someone else[:D]ako saka nekoj da pomogne ne mora da e Makedonija za da pomogne...abe kozava mi se ezit ne pisi vaka se nerviram...zs gi gledav nashvie "teshki "patrioti so praeja dur bev tamu...a da ne kazvam za Vmro ili Sdsm ....ali to nema vrska...samo zato so TI si se vratil vo Makedonija ne znaci deka pojke ja sakas od nekoj so e nadvor od nea[;)]great_macedonian....do nekade si vo pravo...vo Makedonija necinat mnogu raboti ama edno znam...druzenje ko tamu nemaT...a zs nemaT??zs ovde brat ojs na rabota pecalis pari plakas smetki ...a doma "pij kave pij tutun aznoto samo ke si dojt"..gi gledav 27-28 godnishi magarija zemaja od mama i tato po 30 denari za edno makijato i sedeja cel den po stolicine ....daj ziti se.....i brat kako so gledam kazvis dek ne si zadovolen so platata vo avstralija.....he he he ....oj Makedonija tamu pojke davet[8D] |
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Great_Macedonian, i'm happy that you feel that Macedonia is your home and I wish you all the best of luck when you return to Macedonia for good but I would like to see how long it will take before you return back to this country which you call "tujgina". Just like all the others before you that thought "zapecaliv dosta pari ovde vo tujgina se prodavam se vrajcam vo Makedonia i ke ziveam ko kral" i po nekolku godini evegi pak se vrajcat vo taja pusta "tujgina" so opaskata mejgu nozi i bez nisto to start all over again. They've lost everything that they've worked hard for and what's even more sad is the fact that their children have no stability in their lives. It happens on a regular basis.
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ne se pishuva tujgina se pishuva tugjina
ne se pishuva nozi tuku se pisuva noze |
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Mafis toa sto go kazuvas e ziva vistina. Istoto se sluci koga nasata familija se vrati vo makedonija za posle dve godini da se vratime nazad. No tatkomi mi kazuva deka ne se vrativne pak vo avstralija poradi finansiski pricini, posto toa sto go specalil bilo dovolno plus toa sto rabotese vo mk kako berber, toa se bilo dovolno za da ziveeme pristoen zivot vo makedonija, no se resil familijata da se spakuva i nazad vo avstralija da se vratime poradi druga pricina. A toa e deka obrazovanieto vo makedonija e vo katastrofalna sostojba (ova e za 1994-96 no isto e i sega, mislam.) korupcija i mito resavaat koje dete kakvi otcenki ima, a ne znaenje. Tatkomi ne mozese da ja podnese korupcijata, i nikogas ne sakat da podmiti nikogo.. pa zatoa koga na postariot moj brat namerno mu opnaja edinica po fizicko(sport) tatkomi rece 'avstralija ke se vratam profesor ne podmituvam'.. i toa se desi. Ednostavno nemase i se uste nema perspektiva vo makedonija za mladite ucenici/studenti. E sega za toa sto velis deka koga ke se vratam vo makedonija pak ke se vratam nazad vo avstralija?? jas bi se vratil nazad vo avstralija samo ako togas (zboruvam za vremeto posle 10.. 15godini) seuste nema perspektiva za mladite. No jas sum optimist, jas mislam deka makedonija za 10godini ke bide vo evropska unija, i so samoto toa makedonija ke bide barem delumno prosperitetna drzava, sto za mene ke bide sosema dovolno za da ne bidam prinuden da se vratam nazad vo tugina.
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Ej a site da se vratite u makedonija ?
P.S. Iame dobra Rakija |
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by how1tzer
Ej a site da se vratite u makedonija ?
P.S. Iame dobra Rakija
I ajvar imame odlichen [:I] |
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Originally posted by Great_Macedonian
Mafis toa sto go kazuvas e ziva vistina. Istoto se sluci koga nasata familija se vrati vo makedonija za posle dve godini da se vratime nazad. No tatkomi mi kazuva deka ne se vrativne pak vo avstralija poradi finansiski pricini, posto toa sto go specalil bilo dovolno plus toa sto rabotese vo mk kako berber, toa se bilo dovolno za da ziveeme pristoen zivot vo makedonija, no se resil familijata da se spakuva i nazad vo avstralija da se vratime poradi druga pricina. A toa e deka obrazovanieto vo makedonija e vo katastrofalna sostojba (ova e za 1994-96 no isto e i sega, mislam.) korupcija i mito resavaat koje dete kakvi otcenki ima, a ne znaenje. Tatkomi ne mozese da ja podnese korupcijata, i nikogas ne sakat da podmiti nikogo.. pa zatoa koga na postariot moj brat namerno mu opnaja edinica po fizicko(sport) tatkomi rece 'avstralija ke se vratam profesor ne podmituvam'.. i toa se desi. Ednostavno nemase i se uste nema perspektiva vo makedonija za mladite ucenici/studenti. E sega za toa sto velis deka koga ke se vratam vo makedonija pak ke se vratam nazad vo avstralija?? jas bi se vratil nazad vo avstralija samo ako togas (zboruvam za vremeto posle 10.. 15godini) seuste nema perspektiva za mladite. No jas sum optimist, jas mislam deka makedonija za 10godini ke bide vo evropska unija, i so samoto toa makedonija ke bide barem delumno prosperitetna drzava, sto za mene ke bide sosema dovolno za da ne bidam prinuden da se vratam nazad vo tugina.
- How1tzer
- Кажи.
-Абе кај си ти?
- Како кај сум? Еве сум.
-Е па, да си жив и здрав, да ти расте тастатурата, на свадба да и играме, со коњи да не тропаме со пушки да не фрламе, да ти се множат ентерите, да ти се позлати раката, од аир да не куртулиш, од арно - култур да не видиш. Со еден збор, да си жив и здрав, да ти расте тастатурата...
Ме немаше подолго време на нет и по форумов и еве ме ај ем хир пак со моите постови , убави или грди , лоши или добри , какви и да се само да не ги брише модераторот (имам нова ракија за него).Ете каква брилјантна перспектива за живеење е пред нас. Доста Албанецот гинеше од македонска рака. Доста Македонецот крвавеше од албански зулуми. Има да загинам од моите и да умрам млад, среќен и глуп.Околу нашето Македонско образование и нашата неписменост комрад Great_Macedonian вели дека не го биве пфффф плиззззззз... Нашето образование може не е најдобро но сигурно не учат повеќе од Австралија и нивните мои наречени ховитцерски млади сили. Еден 8 одделенец знае повеќе од ваш полнолетен момак....не сакам да ја изнервирам тастатурата, па да почнам да требам букви.Хмм, и сега, што од ова е вистина? Македонија денес во однос на Македонија пред една година е многу постабилна, посигурна, побезбедна, поперспективна и по не-знам-шо земја на сите полиња.... Ете, тоа е тоа.А за безбедноста а разлика од од пред една година, полицијата сега ја контролира целата територија и може да влезе во секое село... Може, ама нејќе! Што има да влегува. Село ко село. Поради сево ова, во моменти на предклимактерична нежност, ми доаѓа дури и да помислам: Хеј, па ова изгледа како нормална држава!
И ко за крај ќе истребам некоја буква (реков дека нема, Гад Дем ) од тастатурава моја гневна целата исфрустрирана и фрапирана...
Што и да правите, само немојте да кукате. Доста е, досадно е, глупо е. И немојте да лажете и да крадете, оти вошки ќе фатите. И почитувајте ги своите родители. И давајте жмигавец кога вртите. И бањајте се редовно, не ладете лубеница со сати под чешма, не им се лигавете на шефовите, баталете јадење хамбургер во автобус, баталете ја козата на комшијата... И не се вадите на политичарите. Македонија е премногу важна за да им биде препуштена само на политичарите.
И стварно, зошто не не примаат во Европа? |
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sto me nervira koga ke procitam vakva glupost,
prvo i prvo e ova, site nie sme makedonci, makedonija bilo treba danie dom, ako majkati i tatkoti ne bea pusteni da imigrirat vo avstralija, ke mislis mnogu razlicno kuma.
a za tie asimilirani makedonci, sram da vie, da kazete nesto kako "Its true i have european heritage, but i was born here, this is my home, and now Iam australia".
my problems with this is that you dont even say where in europe you are from, like your ashamed, second of all nationality is not about where you live, its about where your roots are from, nationality is like your last name, or the colour of your eyes, you can hide it but you know it will never change, calling yourself australian and not macedonian is stupidity. these people annoy me the most, to all of you who think like this your a disgrace, its actually better you call yourself australian rather than macedonian, atleast then we wont have to put up with your bullsh!t.
mafiskuma, sto se mesas ti na drugi ljuge raboti za kade oni sakat da ziveat, toa e nivni problem,
toa sto rece za makedoncite tamu sto ke ubile da doagjat vo 'tugjina'
this much i know - thats a ton of crap that the long time australian macedonians feed you, they make it seem like EVERYONE would leave in a flash if they could
i know for a fact that many dont want to leave simply because they live a good life there, adjusting to a different lifestyle is too hard in many instances. for example my cousin is a real estate investor, he lives quite well, in fact he lives better than all of the seljaci here in perth that live in balga. my other cousin is very poor, hes jobless, lives off his parents social security, yet he still loves his life there, it may be a simple life but its a good life, i know a good 25 people my age or close, only one of them said bad things about living there, and another considered beginning a new life but she changed her mind because she realised her home is her home.
now that we got cleared up about how 'special' australia is and how 'everyone' would like to live here, lets get onto your next point
ive been to the hospital in skopje by the way, theres no 'poklon' needed, my foot was swollen up from the flight
there was no wait, it was quite an ordinary hospital... again you have been talking to too many oldies here that only know MK from the immediate post communist era or from the crumbling lifestyle in the villages.
mafiskuma, ova drzava ni dade mnogu, i toa e tocno AMA
avstralija krade isto kako amerika krade vo iraq, kosovo.
zapamti deka avstralija nea poznava makedonija, toa znaci deka ocigledno ti si FYROMec vo tvoj dom, also remember that there has been several media reports on macedonia as quite negative so dont think this country has treated you like a king
and before you shoot me i know i made a post before which had alot of negativity about macedonia, remember this was my first time i visited skopje since i left, those were not negatives rather than comparatives, also remember iam extremely proud of my nationality but i dont go around saying to my australian friends how good macedonia is, i keep it to myself or until someone says something racist to me, and then i beat them up [xx(]
and about allowing us to play our own music and speak our own language, its called freedom, what makes u think we dont get this right in macedonia?
maybe greece and albania, but we're not talking about them are we.
on the topic of respect for the country u live in, why should i respect australia anyway? because its a fair system, vo pravo si tuka, but a portion of your pay cheque is the governments pay cheque also, you really think they care about you or where your from? australians are vicious when it comes down to business, look at what johnny howards doing to the east timorese, stealing their oil and gas resources, but you dont hear about this ever do you? you only see the bright side of australia, just like kosovo for coal, iraq for oil and east timor for natural gas. now put politics aside, how many times has someone put you down because you are different to the aussies here? i dont know about you but it happens to me a fair bit, i get caled wog, migrant, refugee and by the greeks ive been called a gypsy. so what makes you think i should respect this country even though i live in it and take full advantage of its economy? if your naieve enough to fall for some bright and rosy image of australia that channel 7 paint for you then you will get very far in life wont you.
just because great macedonian has a love for his homeland, that seemingly puts australia down inadvertedly doesnt mean you have to jump up and down about this is the best country in the world and that we should all respect it, because not everyone likes living in australia(not saying iam one of them). also divider in my opinion is inspirational, i.e someone who has been all over the world, yet his opinion of a beautiful country is '3rd world macedonia'.
before you start preaching about respect learn latinica(no offence, neje pasus, its pasos)
to the tikva who said theyre now australian and not macedonian(european), now that you live in australia like some fatcat with half a tonne of chocolate in your arse, dont preach respect to others, cause i sh!t on your respect.
ps ban me if you like i dont care, nothing will change my mind
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makedonska emigracija i dijaspora ? koj vic . Se sekirale za makedonija i sakale da se vratat, give me a break . sekogas koga ke pomislam na makedonskata dijaspora mi teknuva na eden skec od k-15 (znaete koj e) surova realnost |
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Кога го прочитав постов, погледнав на никот за да видам кој го напишал тоа и ми се разјаснија веднаш работите!:)
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Aus-Mk.. i like what you had to say, but relax with the offensive stuff towards mafiskuma.
Abe ti How1tzer... aj procitaj pak jas sto napisav.. dali nekade pisit deka plukam vrz pismenosta na makedonskiot student?? NE!
Za tebe specijalno ke ti objasnam sto kazuvav. Rekov, vo Makedonija profesorite/nastavnicite se korumpirani.. zemaat mito i redat nerealni otcenki na premnogu studenti. Ako nekoj ucenik e odlicen... ke mu napisat dvojka, i ako ne gi podmiti dvojkata ke mu ostane. A nekoj dibidus od bogata familija ke dobie petka. Me svajkas sega sto bese muabetov? Ne bese muabetov dali vo makedonija ucenicite ucat potesko od avstralija ili dali se popametni.. muabetov bese deka vo makedonija obrazovanieto vrie od korupcija.
A za toa deka eden osmoodelenec vo makedonija znae povejke od eden osmoodelenec vo zapad.. toa e vistina, no i tuka ima greska zasto nacinot na predavanjeto e teski i glupav vo makedonija. Profesorot (primer) bara da mu kazes kade e i kolku e dolga rekata mississipi i cela istorija za neja.. pa sto k*r mu e potrebno na nekoj vo makedonija toa da go uci?? mnogu irelevantni raboti im se predavaat na makedonskite ucenici, i na kraj ke zavrsat sredno, ke bidat po uceni od onie na zapad, ke pojdat skopje na fakultet.. ke zavrsat fakultet, ke dojdat vo avstralija, i vamu vo avstralija koga ke ti ja poglednat diplomata ke ti recat " od ovije 30 predmeti koj si gi pominal na fakultet vo skopje, ti priznavame samo 8, drugite 22 predmeti se bezpotrebni vo tvojata struka, ako sakas tvojata struka da ti bide priznata vo avstralija, uste tri godini ke si odis na fakultet"... ako NE.. togas ke bides cistac, kako mnogu obrazovani makedonci vo Avstralija i drugi zemji.
Strelec, ti nema ramen.. so edna recenica kazuvas povejke od kolku nie drugite so celi stranici :)
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Naredniot pat koga ke citas moj post izvadi naocarite ne gledas dobro.
A i ne ti stojat da ti kazam. [:D] |
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Abe ti How1tzer... Мило ми е и на мене .. aj procitaj pak jas sto napisavДобро и .. dali nekade pisit deka plukam vrz pismenosta na makedonskiot studentОд Битола да не си ?? NE!Добро, и не викај !
Za tebe specijalno ke ti objasnam sto kazuvav.Ооо Фала почестен сум за овој гест, само не го прави почесто тоа..сешто си помислува народот.. Rekov, vo Makedonija profesorite/nastavnicite se korumpirani.. Хмм..Навистина ? zemaat mitoЗнам за ракија а за друго незнам .. i redat nerealni otcenki na premnogu studenti.Тоа е дискутабилна тема и ти треба јаки аргументи ! Ako nekoj ucenik e odlicen... ke mu napisat dvojka,Кркркр ако е одличен 2 че а? Мора да бегал многу... ako ne gi podmiti dvojkata ke mu ostane.Епа сеа мора да фрли едно 3 кила жута.. (јас продавам) A nekoj dibidus od bogata familija ke dobie petka.Хмм..мора да има лозје татко му.... Me svajkas sega sto bese muabetov?Малце сум приглуп таткоми со ракија ме помина у средно, ќе сакаш уште еднаш да ми објасниш, нели сум специјален ?
Ne bese muabetov dali vo makedonija ucenicite ucat potesko od avstralija ili dali se popametni.. muabetov bese deka vo makedonija obrazovanieto vrie od korupcija.Од кај знаеш, не си во нашата независна и скоро во EU Македонија од 1994 или 1996 така ?A za toa deka eden osmoodelenec vo makedonija znae povejke od eden osmoodelenec vo zapad.. toa e vistina,Комраде ховитцерски конечно согласност. no i tuka ima greska zasto nacinot na predavanjeto e teski i glupav vo makedonija.Пфф..пријателе ти кажав за да кажеш такво нешто мораш да имаш добри аргументи ? Profesorot (primer) bara da mu kazes kade e i kolku e dolga rekata mississipiТоа е во концептот на учебникот , не можеш да го менуваш ! i cela istorija za neja..ОК и. pa sto k*r mu e potrebno na nekoj vo makedonija toa da go uci??Планирам да почнам со лозје мене ми треба, (ќе има добра ракија ) mnogu irelevantni raboti im se predavaat na makedonskite ucenici, i na kraj ke zavrsat sredno,Матура... ke bidat po uceni od onie na zapad, ke pojdat skopje na fakultet..Сеа имаме многу универзитети... ke zavrsat fakultet,И.. ke dojdat vo avstralija,Мислиш дека таму ќе отидат ? или ќе играме квиз ? Супер обожувам квиз ! i vamu vo avstralija koga ke ti ja poglednat diplomataЗар ќе ја погледнат..хмм ke ti recat " od ovije 30 predmeti koj si gi pominal na fakultet vo skopje, ti priznavame samo 8, drugite 22 predmeti se bezpotrebni vo tvojata struka,Еј ховицерски комраде ќе морам да ја изнервирам тастатурата...немој те молам не ми се треби букви сеа..не ми го расипувај викендов ! ako sakas tvojata struka da ti bide priznata vo avstralija, uste tri godini ke si odis na fakultet"... ako Ахам и ..
NEАма пак викаш ти ? (пишувањето со голема буква значи викање , повишен тон итн..Тоа Дома !) togas ke bides cistac, kako mnogu obrazovani makedonci vo Avstralija Па зар има образовани ? i drugi zemji.Итн...
Strelec, ti nema ramen.. so edna recenica kazuvas povejke od kolku nie drugite so celi stranici :)Пробај да пишуваш помалку Стрелец !
Е вака комраде ховитцерски , како прво научи да пишуваш латиница , помалку ми беше смешно Вашето обраќање, како второ немој да тврдиш ништо што не знаеш или ако ти кажал некој образуван Македонец што работи како чистач !
Ќе Ве молам комраде немојте да ми го расипувате викендов, или пак да го рушите авторитетот на некои луѓе со безполезни работи , ама и тоа гледам не Ви оди вешто !
Можам сега да очекувам многу постови и ред други работи од дијаспората (се држат добро е ) на моја сметка , немојте Ве молам ја немам платено последната.
П.С.Почнав да извезувам ракија во дијаспората Јупииии ! |
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How1tzer, kako prvo, znam da pisuvam latinica, ama posto ti tolku si pameten ajde kazimi kade zgresiv pa naucime nesto?? Kako vtoro ne sum biden vo makedonija 6 meseci i osven referendumot na koj mu se postravte, ne mislam nesto drugo se ima promenato vo drzavata. Znaci kako sto kaza ti, obrazovanieto vo makedonija e Super.. sve e vo red, utre vlegvime vo evropska unija pa nema pricina zosto jas da ti go rasipuvam vikendot, ti ke slavis.. Makedonija odi napred! |
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Originally posted by Great_Macedonian
How1tzer, kako prvo, znam da pisuvam latinica, ama posto ti tolku si pameten ajde kazimi kade zgresiv pa naucime nesto?? Kako vtoro ne sum biden vo makedonija 6 meseci i osven referendumot na koj mu se postravte, ne mislam nesto drugo se ima promenato vo drzavata. Znaci kako sto kaza ti, obrazovanieto vo makedonija e Super.. sve e vo red, utre vlegvime vo evropska unija pa nema pricina zosto jas da ti go rasipuvam vikendot, ti ke slavis.. Makedonija odi napred!
Другарче ова што го пишувам го пишувам со голема тежина затоа што во моментов се чуствувам многу лошо и делува на мојата психотропна супстанца !
Комрад ховитцерски те Почитувам Македонец си Наш си верувај на твојов пост би делувал многу психички ако одговорам ама несакам другар зашто Македонци сме , можам да говорам до бескрај и да јас и ти расправаме до бескрај ама неможам во моментов зашто се осеќам премногу лошо !
И конечно, мојот топ оф д попс: Ве молам немојте на моја сметка . побогу Македонци форум е ова не е бојно поле !
Ве сакам сите кај и да сте ! (од срце кажано , во тешки моменти)
П.С. Заеднички да му дадеме малку надеж на овој напатен народ. Заеднички да му порачаме дека народ со ваков крематориум, нема зошто да му ја мисли за својата иднина!
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| mafisKumA |
cile, zimi se stvarno si srcka, fala za pomos so Makedonskiot jazik
AUS-MK i see no reason for you to be banned, you’ve voiced your opinion and I respect that. We are here to have a mature debate about issues and I embrace everyones opinion.
Now I’ll tell you a little secret but ssshhhhh you mustn’t tell anyone else, I know latinica [;)]
First of all I was not specifically talking about Macedonians living in Australia. I was generalising hence the words "Macedonians living abroad."
I’m not telling anyone where to live if you took the time to analyse my posts you would have realised that I am merely saying “be satisfied with where you are, stop bi*ching and get on with your life”
About the people “would kill to have the same opportunities, as you and I, to live abroad” you may think it’s a ton of crap but I know otherwise. I’ve taken the time to listen to these people, obviously you have not. I agree with you about some of the old time Australians and their way of thinking, by the way I am one of those long timers, and I don’t agree with many of their opinions. I consider myself a relatively intelligent person who thinks for herself.
As for my example of the medical system in place in Macedonia, if you took the time to carefully read my post you would have seen that I witnessed it first hand only two years ago.
I wholeheartedly agree with you about Australia stealing from East Timor, it’s wrong and it should be stopped.
As for Australia not recognising Macedonia, I’ve written letters of objection to the relevant ministers, voicing my disapproval, have you?
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| RaGeAnGeL |
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Originally posted by How1tzer
Abe ti How1tzer... Мило ми е и на мене .. aj procitaj pak jas sto napisavДобро и .. dali nekade pisit deka plukam vrz pismenosta na makedonskiot studentОд Битола да не си ?? NE!Добро, и не викај !
Za tebe specijalno ke ti objasnam sto kazuvav.Ооо Фала почестен сум за овој гест, само не го прави почесто тоа..сешто си помислува народот.. Rekov, vo Makedonija profesorite/nastavnicite se korumpirani.. Хмм..Навистина ? zemaat mitoЗнам за ракија а за друго незнам .. i redat nerealni otcenki na premnogu studenti.Тоа е дискутабилна тема и ти треба јаки аргументи ! Ako nekoj ucenik e odlicen... ke mu napisat dvojka,Кркркр ако е одличен 2 че а? Мора да бегал многу... ako ne gi podmiti dvojkata ke mu ostane.Епа сеа мора да фрли едно 3 кила жута.. (јас продавам) A nekoj dibidus od bogata familija ke dobie petka.Хмм..мора да има лозје татко му.... Me svajkas sega sto bese muabetov?Малце сум приглуп таткоми со ракија ме помина у средно, ќе сакаш уште еднаш да ми објасниш, нели сум специјален ?
Ne bese muabetov dali vo makedonija ucenicite ucat potesko od avstralija ili dali se popametni.. muabetov bese deka vo makedonija obrazovanieto vrie od korupcija.Од кај знаеш, не си во нашата независна и скоро во EU Македонија од 1994 или 1996 така ?A za toa deka eden osmoodelenec vo makedonija znae povejke od eden osmoodelenec vo zapad.. toa e vistina,Комраде ховитцерски конечно согласност. no i tuka ima greska zasto nacinot na predavanjeto e teski i glupav vo makedonija.Пфф..пријателе ти кажав за да кажеш такво нешто мораш да имаш добри аргументи ? Profesorot (primer) bara da mu kazes kade e i kolku e dolga rekata mississipiТоа е во концептот на учебникот , не можеш да го менуваш ! i cela istorija za neja..ОК и. pa sto k*r mu e potrebno na nekoj vo makedonija toa da go uci??Планирам да почнам со лозје мене ми треба, (ќе има добра ракија ) mnogu irelevantni raboti im se predavaat na makedonskite ucenici, i na kraj ke zavrsat sredno,Матура... ke bidat po uceni od onie na zapad, ke pojdat skopje na fakultet..Сеа имаме многу универзитети... ke zavrsat fakultet,И.. ke dojdat vo avstralija,Мислиш дека таму ќе отидат ? или ќе играме квиз ? Супер обожувам квиз ! i vamu vo avstralija koga ke ti ja poglednat diplomataЗар ќе ја погледнат..хмм ke ti recat " od ovije 30 predmeti koj si gi pominal na fakultet vo skopje, ti priznavame samo 8, drugite 22 predmeti se bezpotrebni vo tvojata struka,Еј ховицерски комраде ќе морам да ја изнервирам тастатурата...немој те молам не ми се треби букви сеа..не ми го расипувај викендов ! ako sakas tvojata struka da ti bide priznata vo avstralija, uste tri godini ke si odis na fakultet"... ako Ахам и ..
NEАма пак викаш ти ? (пишувањето со голема буква значи викање , повишен тон итн..Тоа Дома !) togas ke bides cistac, kako mnogu obrazovani makedonci vo Avstralija Па зар има образовани ? i drugi zemji.Итн...
Strelec, ti nema ramen.. so edna recenica kazuvas povejke od kolku nie drugite so celi stranici :)Пробај да пишуваш помалку Стрелец !
Е вака комраде ховитцерски , како прво научи да пишуваш латиница , помалку ми беше смешно Вашето обраќање, како второ немој да тврдиш ништо што не знаеш или ако ти кажал некој образуван Македонец што работи како чистач !
Ќе Ве молам комраде немојте да ми го расипувате викендов, или пак да го рушите авторитетот на некои луѓе со безполезни работи , ама и тоа гледам не Ви оди вешто !
Можам сега да очекувам многу постови и ред други работи од дијаспората (се држат добро е ) на моја сметка , немојте Ве молам ја немам платено последната.
П.С.Почнав да извезувам ракија во дијаспората Јупииии !
ej se e okej super si ama aman ova crvenovo smenigo pls[:D]
grat_macedonian...jas seushte ne mozam da te svatam tebe...kazi altan ..sho e so tebe problemov?and last but not least ...bainless wtf???r u gay?[8D]
kuma.....lova u [:X] |
| cile |
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by mafiskuma
cile, zimi se stvarno si srcka, fala za pomos so Makedonskiot jazik
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| Great_Macedonian |
Rageangel.. procitaj od pocetok sto pisuvam, ke svatis. |
| cile |
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posted by great_macedonian
Rageangel.. procitaj od pocetok sto pisuvam, ke svatis
Dzabe i 100pati da procita pak nema da svati !!! |
| Great_Macedonian |
gledas kaj pise deka zivee rageangel? colombia.. drogata malce deluva zbuneto na umot znajs. |
| n/a |
RaGeAnGeL napisimi go nickot kako sto treba barem ne baram mnogu neli? Referendumot ne uspeal ? Ovde drzava nema per referendum ne si prai filmovi. |
| n/a |
kuma, about the hospital thing, i dont know why 3 litres of rakija would be a poklon for a doctor anyway, unless you know him? then thats a different story. if the medical system was like what you make it out then wouldnt the doctor want money as a poklon? im telling you now, ive been to 3 different medical institutions there, first i saw a pediatrist, then otidov vo ambulantata nake avtokomanda. then finally i went to the hospital in the centre of town. at all 3 places the staff there knew i was from australia, they didnt ask me for money, they were talking to me about australia, so i really dont know why a doctor would all of a sudden ask for rakija..
and by the way ive attended a anti nato macedonian rally in perth about the war in 2001.
some of my post was for legal-eagle,
and i have taken the time to listen to people there about their problems. alot of them say they have problems yes, but the difference is not many are willing and ready to migrate, and by the way the people that should really be wanting to migrate the most are the younger people aged 20-30, i know alot of people there this age and as i said before only one of them wanted to migrate. beleive me your exaggerating it too much.. by the way ive heard of macedonian guys here in perth that go there to find a wife, in alot of cases theyve been rejected with excuses like "australia is too far, id rather live somewhere in europe"
yes kuma the point of your post was to say "you should respect this country and be thankful you live here"
i agree and disagree, i dont respect this country, but iam thankful i live here, sounds selfish? well why should i respect this country? apart from the fact i live here,i respect my home because its mine, just like my native country, why the hell should i respect some other country?? that really only gives a sh*t about money and anyway to get it. im not so naieve to assimilate myself like legal eagle because she maybe drives a nice car, lives on the beach and enjoys a good life willingly forgetting her identity in exchange for luxury. and im not talking just about legal eagle, theres plenty of macedonians here that are like this and im sick of them
lets assume us or our parents were denied entry into countries abroad. what then? would legal eagle consider herself macedonian then only BECAUSE she CANT migrate????? SORRY THATS NOT RESPECT, IF THATS WHAT YOU CALL RESPECT, THEN CALL IT BETRAYAL
ps howcome i cant read some posts? they come up with wierd characters.. maybe i need cyrillic font? |
| RaGeAnGeL |
great_macedonian....cile vo pravo beshe....ne mozam ushte da svatam...ama ne e do mene do tebe ke da e...drogata nema vrska so temeva ne zabegvi[;)]BRAINLESS....sorry sum lapnala edna bukva vo 1 am go pisev poston[;)]ama ti bitno svati deka tebe ti se obrakam...i pak ne mi odgovori[^] |
| Great_Macedonian |
AUS-MK i dont agree exactly. You should respect the country you live in, BUT you dont have to like it. Thats what i think. |
| Great_Macedonian |
if u wanna read the cyrillic texts and you are using firefox? then goto VIEW - CHARACHTER ENCODING - CYRILLIC (WINDOWS-1251).
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| cile |
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by rage
..drogata nema vrska so temeva ne zabegvi
cuvaj od prasokot jas doagam u NYC [^] |
| RaGeAnGeL |
deal[;)] |
| Legal-Eagle |
Kuma you are one brave woman. You have stepped up to the plate and are handling this innings quite well (by my jargon can you tell that i have renewed my passion for baseball?)
Riddle me this fellow Macedonians. In my lifetime i have graced the shore of Macedonia countless times to remember, please tell me why it is so that each and every time i go there (my parents are now in transist, the bloody third time in 6 months)everyone asks if i have any prijateli to help them obtain visas to leave Macedonia? I cant understand. Is it that our tourism campaigns have really made an impact on your culture or is it that you believe that money grows on trees, kangaroos are put out to pasture on every street corner or that koalas are up every telegraph pole there for the cuddling?
What is the fascination. If Australia is such a suck hole, why on earth come here in the first place or have the desire to come here, and then shit in your own nests by saying there is NO PLACE LIKE MACEDONIA? What i do agree is with Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz clicking her heels and repeating "there is no place like home". That i will grant you. But please afford Australia the respect that it deserves by allowing you the PRIVILEDGE to experience our wonderful lifestyle (biased opinion of yours truly)and if you dont like it fine. Go home. I didnt like Macedonia. I found it to be a country where people showed little regard or respect towards the things that mattered. Maybe it was a cultural difference? Maybe the difference lies in the fact that my parents brought me up to appreciate what i have and not to take things for granted? Whatever it is, i have vowed that i will take a European holiday every year but i will NOT be visiting Macedonia. It is my prerogative and i will exercise it. The same prerogative is extended to all who visit or choose to live here. If you dont like it ..... LEAVE! There are numerous daily flights out of Australia at our international airports.
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| Great_Macedonian |
Legal-Eagle... why have you VOWED not to visit macedonia?? If you hate your native country so much, this forum isnt for you. We dont like macedonia-haters in here.
People ask you to come to australia, not because the lifestyle in australia, or the country is "so great" but because macedonia is a jobless country, so they are forced to want to leave. Australia offers them employment thats why, and also many people that have never left macedonia dont realise that australia is not as great as they think it is. The only way to prosper in australia is if you know english and have a uni degree (recognised). If a factory worker, non english speaker comes to australia, they will go through alot of hell before they start living atleast a middle class lifestyle.
Legal, read the reply's which i and some others wrote above to Kuma... it will make you understand why people can live in australia and love macedonia more. Australia allows them to have a stable financial lifestyle, whereas macedonia is home, and many people such as myself prefer the macedonian lifestyle. Why dont i go back you ask??? read my previous posts on this topic. Why people with Wealth, who live in australia dont go back but constantly "cry" for macedonia?? i donno, but if they love macedonia that much they should go back. I cant go back till im financially able to go back. |
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legal eagle, if you didnt like macedonia, and you are apparently of fine imported threads which for some reason make you 100% australian and you are 0% of those imported threads, then answer me this, why are you posting here? if your an australian obviously you would have no care for macedonian immigration, and if you didnt like macedonia i seriously think you are missing the point of the place, macedonia is a hidden jewel. i suggest you go back there, look past the corruption & the daily problems plagueing the country, think about who you really are and would have been if you were denied entry into australia, and then maybe youll finally see the neglected side of your identity. no one is saying australia is a suckhole(it has in fact the highest living standards in the world), get your facts right, i never said ANYWHERE australia is a hole neither has anyone else. think to the future, maybe 300 years from now when the west finally collapses, what will historians refer to migrants such as yourself? now look at the similarities between your situation and the torbesi during the ottoman empire. End of story. |
| dejan |
quote:
Originally posted by Legal-Eagle
Riddle me this fellow Macedonians. In my lifetime i have graced the shore of Macedonia countless times to remember, please tell me why it is so that each and every time i go there (my parents are now in transist, the bloody third time in 6 months)everyone asks if i have any prijateli to help them obtain visas to leave Macedonia? I cant understand. Is it that our tourism campaigns have really made an impact on your culture or is it that you believe that money grows on trees, kangaroos are put out to pasture on every street corner or that koalas are up every telegraph pole there for the cuddling?
That's because the Australian government is doing what it did to the Aegean Macedonians (after Greece took over) a long time ago, back then, along with English support of course, they were told to go and live in Australia, you'll have a job, another way the Greeks were able to make an attempt to assimilate the Macedonians in Greece, thus those Aegean Macedonians were the first Macedonians in Australia, then the Greeks had their way, call yourself Greek, otherwise no job, threats blah blah blah.
Now the Australian government is offering for people in Macedonia to come and live in Australia, to work here, but somewhere in the centre of the country, like Alice Springs. I think Australia should not be doing this, first they do not have an Australian Embassy in Macedonia (which i think they should be ashamed about, considering the number of Macedonians Australia has and what they had to endure) and second they know what the Greeks and the English had organised to do. They shouldn't continue giving free admission to Macedonians in Macedonia, because that isn't good, and anyway those Macedonians have to work in 'pustinja' under that blazing sun! |
| Legal-Eagle |
You all have really outdone yourselves!!!!!
Yeah we love australia while it keeps supporting us financially!
Yeah we deserve the benefits that all Australians get!
Too right you claim you are eligible for all dental, medical, education, housing and the use of all Australian benefits.
BUT HELL NO! Macedonia is a better place to live???? HUH?
Sorry if i seem somewhat confused.
As far as my right or eligibilty to post on this forum i can not see how it is an issue for contention. For goodness sakes, get over your oh poor pitiful me attitudes and realise it is NOT the world v Macedonia, but Macedonians v Macedonia. Sure i said that i would never visit Macedonia again, and for the time being it will remain the same, but there are other places on Mother Earth that i have been to and will not visit. The way i spend my tourist dollars has NOTHING to do with anyone but myself. So pardon me for not getting your point.
I have posted several times before, YES i am Australian, but there is no denying my heritage. What i have chosen to do is take the best of all my blood lines and make them what i am today. At no point am i in denial. Lets not confuse nationality with race or creed. The fact remains that i do have a Macedonian Blood Line, but i am 100% Australian in nationality.
For the patron of the forum that wrote words to the effect that they will return to Macedonia when financially stable really makes me sick to the stomach. HOW DARE YOU??? You are nothing but a prostitute in the true sense of the word. You will sell your soul and your nation for the dollar! TRAITOR!!!!!!!! Be gone with you! |
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You are one very twisted and bitter person. It is people like you that unfortunately forces me to make the mistake of typifying Macedonians. You cant refrain from personal insults it seems to be such a common trait with people who do not have anything of substance. Let it be known, it pains me to acknowledge your post with my reply, but i do feel pity for vehement venom that passes through your veins. Lose the attitude and the world will be a better place, not everyone hates you like you hate the world or yourself.
Just out of curiousity do you really believe that by your piss weak attempt at insulting me you will convince me to change my mind about the way I feel? Naaah probably not, no one could be that simple minded surely?[:D]
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e sea nogu keif mi stori sto si se obidela da razberes sto sum ti napisal, jas kakov sum neznam dali e mnogu e bitno ti si taa so se obiduvas da dokazes nesto. svati edno deka ne postoi amerikanski italijanec, ili irec ili avstraliski makedonec, toa e samo background tie mozat da bidat samo amerikanci ili avstralijci itn. dali ti e jasno deka se imas izgubeno vo samosvesta, ti si avstralijka i toa ti e, a sto zboruvas po forumi ovde vaka ili onaka, toa e samo zanesuvanje. ja ke ti kazam najdobro e za site sto se cuvstvuvaat domakjini vo tugjata drzava da zaboraat na nekakov background i da prodolzat da si ziveat prirodno, da ne recam americki.
aj pozdrav i uste nesto, ne mora da si vo makedonija da ja sakas, ama mora da si vo nea za da ja osetis ubavinata i grdotijata sto go nudi toa, za mene najprekrasno parce zemja na svetov. |
| Great_Macedonian |
Quote Legal: "The fact remains that i do have a Macedonian Blood Line, but i am 100% Australian in nationality." <-- you make me sick, how can you be 100% australian??? your macedonian, get over it! There is no australian nationality, its an anglo invention.
And how dare we what??? HOW DARE YOU CALL US PROSTITUTES JUST BECAUSE WE SAID WE WANT TO RETURN TO OUR NATIVE COUNTRY WHEN WE ARE FINANCIALLY STABLE TO DO SO. Your the traitor, go kiss johnny howards ass. Whatever money i earn is money earned with my hard labour, at no time do i or will i ever feel like i have taken or stolen money from this country. I work hard for my money, while the government steels half my pay in taxes plus gst when i go shopping. So yeah ill make my hard earned money and ill go back to macedonia, got a problem with that??? |
| Legal-Eagle |
Have i hit a raw nerve?[:D] Obviously so. Once again you have failed to understand what the concise meaning of the word "nationality" is. You further fail to understand the difference between "nationality" and "race". Of course there is a bloody Australian nationality. Where have you been living? Under a rock?
Secondly, for you to be able to "work" and "earn" your money, you must be afforded or extented an opportunity, unless of course you stand on a street corner and rub two sticks together in a busking form.
Yes you do pay taxes, we all do, and we dont like it. But that said, taxes are then used to supply you with the facilities that you utilise on a daily basis.
It is unfortunate that you believe these opportunities are not available to you in your mother country. Actually it is sad. All i konw is that i am one of many Australians who truly and genuinely appreciates all of this country's characteristics and lifestyle choices.
I sincerely hope you earn enough money or financial stability to satisfy you enough to return to Macedonia, but history and past behavioural patterns indicate, you only get greedier and needier and huff and puff but only return there for a holiday to skite how successful you have become in the f*cking CoUNTry that you loathe. Mind you the hypocrasy does not stop there, you all wait until you receive Australian citizenship and obtain Australian Passports before you have the balls to travel. Please have a little self respect and for once just speak your hearts instead of speaking through your asses. There is nothing wrong with success or flaunting it, but dont mask it behind your love for another country and wanting to return there because that is where your heart is. YOUR heart is in the banking institution you bank with. If it is not, you only have one alternative. Need I state that in black and white. You know exactly what the score is, you know exactly what you want to do with your life. There is nothing wrong with yearning for Macedonia, but dont treat this country with such disrespect.
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| mafisKumA |
How1tzer, rage je vo pravo za crvenoto da znajs deka ke ti gi zemam tije bojni molivcina, ke ti gi iskrasam pa poslem odi sedu vo chosh i placi [:p][:p]
Legal-Eagle you know it's a fine line between brave and insane, i'm not quite certain which category i belong to [:0][B)]
site imate dobri validni komenti samo ke ve zamolam nemojte na personal nacin da se napajgate eden so drug
forum je mesto kasto se mozi da imame otvorena diskucia i sekoj eden imat pravo da si go kazi mislejneto
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| Legal-Eagle |
quote:
Originally posted by AUS-MK
legal eagle, if you didnt like macedonia, and you are apparently of fine imported threads which for some reason make you 100% australian and you are 0% of those imported threads, then answer me this, why are you posting here? if your an australian obviously you would have no care for macedonian immigration, and if you didnt like macedonia i seriously think you are missing the point of the place, macedonia is a hidden jewel. i suggest you go back there, look past the corruption & the daily problems plagueing the country, think about who you really are and would have been if you were denied entry into australia, and then maybe youll finally see the neglected side of your identity. no one is saying australia is a suckhole(it has in fact the highest living standards in the world), get your facts right, i never said ANYWHERE australia is a hole neither has anyone else. think to the future, maybe 300 years from now when the west finally collapses, what will historians refer to migrants such as yourself? now look at the similarities between your situation and the torbesi during the ottoman empire. End of story.
Answer me the following ..... Why is there so much corruption? What are the daily problems? What are they doing to over come them? Neglected side of my identity? I dont have an identity crisis. I dont need the acknowledgement of anyone person or establishment or congress or parliament or any government or private institution to tell me who or what i am. The right is reserved for me by me.
Granted i dont know what it is like to be denied entry into Australia, let alone any other country. There must be a reason why so many Macedonians and other nationalities desire so greatly to live in Australia. All i am asking and this is not only directed to the people on the forum, it is in line with the topic that people who desire so greatly to live here and NOT like it should leave and allow the people who will enjoy and appreciate Australia to realise their dreams of betterment. |
| Legal-Eagle |
quote:
Originally posted by WILLSURVIVE
legal eagle, ti si toa sto ja unistue makedonija. ti i takvite kao tebe prodadeni dusi ke sakate sve samo toa sto treba ne. 100 % sum siguren deka ni decko nemas, a i ako imas nekakov ili edvaj te trpi ili e gl*p ko tocak. mi se gadi od sve sto bi kazala ti, ili takvite kako tebe. marsh u australia, i ne se vrakaj u MK "i onaka nekoj bi te iskoristil da ide u aus za da zivee na tvoeto bogatsvo".gitla be site "makedonci" australijci. ako nekoj se prepoznal ovde bolje da mi vraka, posto site ke znaat kakov e.
p.s nogu jako znaete angliski be, braos ashkolsun
You are one very twisted and bitter person. It is people like you that unfortunately forces me to make the mistake of typifying Macedonians. You cant refrain from personal insults it seems to be such a common trait with people who do not have anything of substance. Let it be known, it pains me to acknowledge your post with my reply, but i do feel pity for vehement venom that passes through your veins. Lose the attitude and the world will be a better place, not everyone hates you like you hate the world or yourself.
Just out of curiousity do you really believe that by your piss weak attempt at insulting me you will convince me to change my mind about the way I feel? Naaah probably not, no one could be that simple minded surely?[:D] |
| n/a |
legal-eagle, obviously you dont understand alot of things about nationality, and obviously you never will by the sounds of it.
first of all what you dont understand is, if great macedonian wants to live there he can, he never said anything bad about australia, neither did he disrespect it in any way, your problem is you cant understand why he likes the place so much because when you went there you were used and abused. dont get me wrong i was used and abused too, but in EVERY poor country in the world there is mass corruption, what are they doing to help it? as much as they possibly can! which unfortunately for them isnt much. youll always be one of the capitalists living well in rich countries, while people in poor countries struggle not because they are corrupt, because their govt is corrupt and is not making improvements, they're the victims, yet you blame them instead of the govt?
but you have to realise that in such a poor country, riddled with international problems, and is currently going through a name dispute with greece the people have a different mentality, you cant expect everyone there to be nice and rosy like in australia. because first of all there is no major ethnic groups in australia, second of all australia hasnt been around long enough for new ethnic tensions to form and build up. oh and by the way, g macedonian can come here to work for whatever money he likes, because it is HIS money, i find it more hypocrytical for you to tell others what to do with their money, instead of calling him a 'prostitute', look at what your doing by giving up your nationality, and no nationality IS your bloodlines, you are an australian citizen with macedonian nationality, clear now?
how dare he come here only to earn money and leave again????? he'd be doing the economy a favour if thats the case..
are you out of your mind??? what are you judge and jury because all of a sudden you think your 'australian'? telling others off for what they plan to do in the future just because it is slightly against national(aus) interests is ridiculous, do you get by life like this? do you even have a life?
no offence but i find what your saying to be completely ridiculous,
by the way, this forum is for macedonians, hence the name virtual macedonia, if you consider your nationality australian, then why the hell are you posting here???? cant you see everyones against you??? i can bet every single person on this board has strict principles about their nationality which they find dear to heart, (even mafiskuma is nowhere near as extreme as you, she took a neutral stance, your taking a anti-mk stance) and im thinking your the odd one out, your only going to waste your life away. maybe you should try lleyton hewitts fan forum? i heard his boys go on there [;)] |
| Great_Macedonian |
Quote Legal: history and past behavioural patterns indicate, you only get greedier and needier and huff and puff but only return there for a holiday to skite how successful you have become in the f*cking CoUNTry that you loathe. <-- This is a generalization of many macedonians in the diaspora, however i am not like that, and im not greedy eather. If anything, i am the one that hates macedonians in australia who constantly spit on australia and cry for macedonia, because these people have the money to go and make a life for themselves in macedonia, i dont, not yet.
Quote Legal: There is nothing wrong with yearning for Macedonia, but dont treat this country with such disrespect. <-- You really need to re-read every post i have written on this forum, or any forum on vmacedonia. I have never spat on the country in which i live in. All i said was that for me, macedonia is home.. i cant help it, i just love macedonia more.. i want to live there. Hence the word 'WANT'.. and all i said was when i am able to, i will go back.. or i hope i do. My passion for macedonia does not make me ungratefull to australia, yes australia has given me alot of opportunities, but that doesnt mean that im a "traitor" to australia if i said id prefer to live in macedonia. I am an immigrant in australia.. i am brought up speaking macedonian at home, my whole lifestyle is linked to macedonia and macedonians, whereas you Legal.. and maybe mafis, australia is ur home coz u were born here, probably didnt have much macedonian influence by ur parents, and most likely adopted the australian way of life very easy, because australia is where ur life is. I am a different story, you cant expect an immigrant to have the same kind of links to australia as you might have for example. Mind you i came to australia at the age of 6.. which is very young, coz most macedonians that came to australia at such a young age see australia as home, however though im an exception because i do not want my macedonian heritage to get assimilated into mainstream australian society, like many macedonians are doing. LegalEagle.. by calling yourself australian, you have assimilated yourself aswell, even if your whole life has been Australia, your still an ethnic macedonian.. or macedonian-australian. You can call yourself an australian when ur outside australia, but when sombody asks u what ur nationalty is.. you should be saying macedonian, because if we are all australian then there would be no need for people on the street to be asking eachother what their nationality is.
As much as i disagree with you Legal Eagle.. you seem like a very educated person, it is people like you that macedonia needs, Intelectual macedonians with capital!!.. because these are the macedonians that can invest in macedonia and help make it a better place. Instead of saying "im never going to visit macedonia again".. try and say to yourself " maybe i should invest in macedonia, do my share to help that native country of mine to improve economically". See this is how i think, i want to help macedonia when i can, if every macedonian in the diaspora did this, macedonia will become a rich country in a matter of years.
I hope you can see where i am comming from. I wish all the best for australia, but more then anything i wish macedonians from australia got of their asses and started helping macedonia to become 'socially and financially' more like Australia.
Macedonia needs our help, the diaspora holds the key to macedonia's prosperity.
http://forums.vmacedonia.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7694&FORUM_ID=2&CAT_ID=18&Topic_Title=MACEDONIAN+NATIONAL+FOND&Forum_Title=Macedonia+%2D+News+and+Political+talks
Click on that link, have a read about my initiation for the formation of a macedonian national fond, you will see that i only wish for macedonia to prosper, like australia has. As much as i do not like the australian lifestyle, i envy this country for the way it functions. I want macedonia to function in the same way, with our help it just might one day. |
| marko_polog |
Legal,
Obviously you do not know the difference between a Nationality(Ethnic Background) and a Citizen.
I live in the United States, Is my Nationality American because I have American citizenship?
Tomorrow I might find an opportunity to work in Uganda and get Citizenship there, Am I an Ethnic Ugandan?
Macedonians regardless of where they live, regardless of where they make there money, have one real home, the rest that do not realize this have for some reason whether deliberately or not lost their roots, so they become American, or in your case Australian, it is your choose, Don't try to even dispute common sense, unless you have a personal hatred for something/someone, in that case you are trying to heal your wounds in the wrong place.
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| Great_Macedonian |
ostajte ja.. takvi kako nejze ima kolku sto ti dusa saka vo avstralija. |