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| n/a | Tatarlancive sekade VMRO ja stavaat kako bugarska organizacija. Megutoa, da bila bugarska organizacija ke se vikala VBRO, a ne VMRO. Uste poveke sto do 1908 g. pola Bugaria t.n. Istocna Rumelija e pod turska okupacija, koga vo 1908 g. taa oblast se priklucuva kon Bugarija. Da bila VMRO bugarska, togas taa organizacija bi se borela za osloboduvanje na istocna Rumelija zaedno so Makedonija, pa ke se vikala BUGARSKA REVOLUCIONERNA ORGANIZACIJA. Sported Tatarlancite, neli Makedonija e samo teritorija?! Ako makedoncite se cuvstvuvale bugari, togas zosto zaedno so balgarite od istocna Rumelija ne formirale edna organizacija so makedoncite za zaednicko osloboduvanje? Istocna Rumalija i Makedonija granicele, bile povrzani geografski so stotici kilometri se do 1908 g., pa dokolku makedoncite bile bugari, togas zaedno sploteni so blgarite od istocna Rumelija bi se borele zaedno. Neli "sedenenieto pravi silata" ? Mora malku i logicki da razmisluvame. Vo 1905 g. se formira VMRO Vrhovisticka, sosema druga organizacija koja bila formirana od bugarskiot dvor so cel bugarizacija na makedoncite i borba za Makedonija da vleze vo sostav na Tataria. I sekako, mnogu makedonci pred se emigracijata vo Bugarija vlegle vo ovaa organizacija, i svesno ili nesvesno im sluzele na bugarskite sovinisticko-hegemonisticki celi. Interesno e sto Boris Sarafov, Liderot na vrhovistite sekogas javno deklariral deka makedoncite se poseben narod, nit bugari, nit srbi, a i ni grci. |
| Misirkov | Izvinuvaj se kolku sakas, no od vistinata nema beganje: prviot pechat na organizacijata e BMPO! |
| Christian | quote:hehe,maverick pwned!!!!!!![:D] |
| n/a | Razgledaj malku podobro.. Bi ti preporacal da go razgledas malku i statutot na organizacijata.. Mozes da procepkas malku pa da vidis na koj jazik Goce Delcev daskaluval niz Makedonija a bogami i od kaj dobival materijalni sredstva za toa. Toa sto organizacijata bila makedonsko-odrinska znae cel svet, nema sto mutavi da se pravime.. Duri i Blaze Ristevski ke ti go potvrdi ova iako dosta cesto Blaze-laze:) Se znae i za Kuzman Sapkarev, zalozbite za eden oficijalen bugarski jazik i bugarskite citanki sto gi pisuval; Se znae i za pismoto na Grigor Prlicev do bugarskiot car, vo koe pisuva deka e blagonadezen b'lgarin i bara pomos za bugarite vo ohridsko,ima mnogu dokumentacija za nego, tuka nemoze da se spori; Se znae za Zbornikot na Miladinovci; Se znae i za vladikata Teodosij Gologanov rodum od Debarsko kojsto bil predvodnik na strujata vo Bugarija za oficijalen jazik da se izglasa Deborskiot i koisto za sebe velel deka e obicen Bulgarin..ovaa struja izgubila za mnogu malku vo odnos na tie sto se zalagale za istocnite bugarski govori; Gologanov se smeta za eden od najgolemite bugarski prerodbenici. ....vo nekoi od prikaskite na Cepenkov pisuva za eden narod od crno do belo more; Zasto sloganot na ilindenskoto vostanie e kopija na sloganot na bugarskoto skoro 30 godini porano(1876) ili 'svoboda ili smrt' Ova se fakti sto se potvrdeni, dokumentacija postoi..licno sum go videl bugarskoto vostanicko zname so lav na zelena osnova.. nekoi podatoci se skanirani duri mozat da se najdat na internet..Dzabe si gi perete mozocite okolu VMRO i prerodbenicite od toj period. |
| n/a | The last interview with the legendary leader of VMRO Ivan Michailov in the 20. century 1989: Macedonia - Switzerland of the Balkan. Ivan Michailov – I AM A BULGARIAN FROM MACEDONIA newspaper 'Democratsia', Sofia, January 8, 2001, pp. 10-11 Unpublished interview of IMRO’s legendary leader IVAN MIHAYLOV, done 14 years ago by the Skopje journalist Boris VISHINSKY In September 1989, Boris Vishinsky, a Skopje journalist, asked for an interview with the leader of the Macedonian liberation movement Ivan Mihaylov. He expressed his hope for such an interview to the Radio Vatican circles, which contacted Anton Popov, a journalist in the same radio. For many years he was the editor of Makedonska Tribuna, a newspapers that is published in the United States. Popov was one of the persons abroad Ivan (Vanche) Mihaylov trusted most. Radko, as we called Ivan Mihaylov, sensing the closing end of the so-called Yugoslavia, consented on such an interview, but he preferred to answer the questions in written form. This is what happened. The journalist Boris Vishinsky presented his written questions and Anton Popov sent them to Ivan Mihaylov. Eleven years have passed since then. Yugoslavia, the mosaic republic, came to an end. Now the “Republic” of Macedonia is a state and for the past two years it has enjoyed democracy. We believe that the people will be able to read this interview freely. As far as the journalist Boris Vishinsky goes, we should acknowledge his insight. Due to him our history will keep the last political deathbed last will and testament – if we could call it this way – on the future of Vardar Macedonia. It is also an acknowledgement by the Macedonian Vardar intellectuals that Ivan Mihaylov alone was the leader whose words are and will be valid for the future of our suffering Macedonia. May his memory live forever. Vida Boeva Popova December 19, 2000 Rome B.V.: Mr. Mihaylov, you were born at the end of the nineteenth century. You are a contemporary of the people who created the organized national liberation movement in Macedonia. Soon you will be 93. Therefore you are Macedonia’s living history. In this century Macedonia went through many mishaps. When it was a part of the Ottoman Empire, it was one whole; then it was broken and almost deleted from history. It was not until World War II that it returned to history again. But Macedonia’s crucifixion still continues. You as a leader of the Macedonian movement had the historical chance to proclaim the independent Macedonia as a Macedonian state, equal to all the other Balkan states. Why did not you do it? I.M.: In short, on this issue I could say the following: a) The liberation from Yugoslavia’s bondage that had been imposed as one of the regimes of King Alexander Karageorgievich was received with great joy by our population in Macedonia. Or, actually, by the greater part of it that not only felt – as it had always had until then – as Bulgarians, but it had always contributed to the enlargement of Bulgaria to Ochrida, to Hrupishta under Kostour, and to Kavala on the Aegean Sea coast. These were the Bulgarians who were first to wait for the Bulgarian army in Macedonia, when Yugoslavia fell. At that time, and in the following weeks, the joy of this wide circle of patriots did not diminish at all. b) A couple of days after this day of liberation, or just a dozen of hours afterwards a person in front of the multitudes in Skopje or elsewhere yelling, “Long live the autonomous Macedonia” would be somewhat late. That is why no people of ours were encouraged to make such a speech. Otherwise, a fight might have been started even between the most fervent Bulgarian patriots. c) I should say with most sincerity that at that time there were people of our organization who were inwardly unsure about the fact that the situation in Macedonia at that moment would be permanent. Ivan Mihaylov was one of the people (most of them silent) who believed from the very start that the beginning of the war would be hopeful for the Bulgarians, but that the war, about which they expected would bring final results, would be lost. d) As the war would bring losses to Germany and the countries related to it in one or another way, in the beginning the countries participating in the war made an attempt to create an independent Macedonia. As this happened in the beginning, this was probably the reason why we did not receive any positive answers. e) When the war was coming to its end, the same people encouraged Ivan Mihaylov to proclaim the independence of Macedonia publicly. But this step was a very late one. Therefore, I went to Skopje with my wife on purpose. From Skopje I informed the Germans that I could not accept their suggestion, as it was too late. I added to my refusal that I had no intention of taking the responsibility for the harm that I would bring to my own people because of my actions. The Germans themselves wrote in a book (Digeheime Front by Walter Hagen) that although this answer was not pleasing to them, they believed that Mihaylov had done his duty to his people. f) After the territory of Macedonia was separated in 1912 between the neighboring countries, the Macedonian issue was still relevant – it was forgotten neither by Macedonia’s neighbors, nor by the Great Powers. In order to keep this issue at hand, newspapers both in Bulgarian and in other languages were published. However, at the same time the world press was constantly interested in the effects of assaults done by Macedonian Bulgarians under foreign dominion. The fight continued together with its heroes and leaders, and the name of dominated Macedonia was regularly spelled in foreign newspapers. B.V.: There are some events that are related to your personality. These events are still enveloped in secrecy and different theories are expressed on the issues. Could you answer the following questions: a) Why was Todor Alexandrov assassinated? b) How did you head the Central Committee of IMRO? c) Why did your presence in Skopje in September 1944 come so late? I.M.: There is one thing that is absolutely sure – if it were not for the presence of his weak-willed colleague General Protogerov, none of those would succeed, who did not like the existence of Todor Alexandrov. In book III of my memoirs a whole chapter is published on Todor Alexandrov’s assassination. I have mentioned there a number of things, among which is Alexander Protogerov’s emphasized envy of Todor Alexandrov. While I was still a first-year student, I had contacts and met many revolutionaries of ours (some of them were leaders), who had underground contacts with our people in dominated Macedonia. I had contacts with our students, nationalists from Macedonia. I had contacts with young people in the Macedonian youth organizations in Bulgaria. I had connections with IMRO’s points on the border with Macedonia, where I often met people completing some missions in Macedonia. Anyway, years before I entered the Central Committee of IMRO, many revolutionaries, and especially leaders, expressed their beliefs to personal friends of mine that my work and attitude had made them wish that I would come closer to IMRO’s work of all kinds. In this way, while I was still a student, both underground and legal revolutionaries had reached an agreement to appoint me as an appropriate man for the work of IMRO. B.V.: Historians, both in the Balkans, and more widely, still argue who is behind King Alexander Karageorgievich’s assassination. Some say that this was IMRO’s work; others say that Hitler’s Germany is responsible for it, while still others say that the Soviet Union has a hand in the affair. I recently read in the Belgrade chauvinistic magazine Duga (September 2, 1989) that Dimitar Vlahov was behind the assassination. You have said almost nothing about it up to now. Would you give your explanation about this event? I.M.: “What he [Vlado Chernozemsky] did in Marseille could not be called an assassination. This is so clear for everyone who has some knowledge of King Alexander’s regime and Belgrade’s plans. It actually means that the assassinator was Alexander and Belgrade policy. Vlado himself was only the executor of the punishment that many peoples had pronounced on him through thousands of curses and floods of tears and blood. Some of these people were Macedonian Bulgarians, Croatians, Albanians, as well as millions of other discontented people in other ethnic groups in the country – there were some Serbians among them as well.” The above words are written in Book IV of my memoirs, in the Chapter entitled “The Event in Marseille.” All people in our country, and at least the majority of other peoples in Yugoslavia exulted over the news that the Serbian king had been punished. I know that my own mother, at the time living due to necessity in Serbia with her family, had asked my younger brother twice to take her to Belgrade to see in the museum the revolver with which the king had been assassinated. The blessing was evidently directed at the one who had punished the people’s tyrant king Alexander, but it is clear that it had replaced also the blessings of numberless widows and orphans that were victims of the regime. The assassination of the king was a result of his countless offenses. The convictions of the one who put an end to Alexander Karageorgievich’s life in Marseilles, and his disposition, which is understandable, are the convictions and dispositions of the whole IMRO. By the way, our people have correctly answered in songs where punishment came from for the criminal Crown in Belgrade. I have no information about the participation of Hitler’s Germany or the Soviet Union in Alexander Karageorgievich’s assassination. I believe that nothing could induce greater disgust than ascribing this heroic deed to Dimitar Vlahov. All efforts of Dimitar Vlahov, in any direction, have only brought benefits to the Serbian king. And their so called “IMRO-United” is a base fabrication by Georgy Dimitrov. Dimitrov himself admitted that the combination of the two words “IMRO-United” was his personal fabrication. This was said in a printed edition of Georgy Dimitrov’s friends from America – saying that “IMRO-United” was his invention. B.V.: The Macedonian poet Kocho Razin (1908-1943) in a speech of his on the glorification of Ilinden in 1940 says that he would like Macedonia to become a Switzerland in the Balkans. You are in favor of the idea as well. Do you think this is an accidental coincidence, or was this the motto of the Macedonian liberation movement? What is your opinion? I.M.: I am very happy that Kocho Razin liked the political structure of Switzerland. I did not know him personally. But I am pleased that he had also embraced the belief that Macedonia should become something like a Switzerland in the Balkans. As far as I am concerned, I have dreamed about the Swiss political structure long before 1940, and I do not remember – whether in speeches to our people or some time in an article – having spoken about the idea or wished for Macedonia to be structured in the same way. I have not read anything written by a Bulgarian public figure on the same idea. The motto of the Macedonian liberation movement was not based on the copying of the Swiss formula. The motto of the Macedonian liberation movement was a free and independent Macedonia. You ask me what I think “a Switzerland in the Balkans” means. I think I have answered this question in greater detail in my book Macedonia – the Switzerland in the Balkans. I wrote this book right after the end of World War II as a refugee in a village in the Alps. But I will answer the question here in short: I think this means what I think all peoples would desire most. In Switzerland even the smallest ethnic group was recognized legally and within the society – and this ethnic group could not have become more than 50 thousand people. But it is naturally given all rights, and all laws in the country respect it. B.V.: Today people ask whether Vancho Mihaylov is alive. Many young Macedonians say that Vancho Mihaylov is the greatest Macedonian. They do not agree with the statement that Vancho Mihaylov is a Bulgarian and that he is the steadiest advocate of Bulgarian ideas in Macedonia. I would not comment on this, but I would ask for your elucidation. I.M.: Ivan Mihaylov is alive and always active. I often publish – using pen names, or no name at all – both on the pages of Makedonska Tribuna (the organ of the Macedonian patriotic organizations that protect this ideal), and in other newspapers. These specific organizations collected funds to print my memoirs. In Europe, years ago, I used to publish a newspaper written in four languages, almost 90% of it dedicated to the Macedonian movement and its ideas. The newspaper was called Macedonia. For a while there was an hour on the radio broadcast in Madrid, done in Standard Bulgarian and in the Bitolya dialect, centered around Macedonia and its efforts for liberation. I will answer decisively: I am a Bulgarian from Macedonia. At the same time, I have never ignored the geographical name of our country Macedonia. With the geographical name of a Macedonian I have met at least 200 Turks in Asia Minor, when I was kept there (in order not to continue my journey to the West – this was the will of Belgrade and its Balkan allies). Every Turk told me with joy, “I am a Macedonian too.” We can see that the Turks make a clear difference between the geographical and the national name – they said they were Macedonian, but before that they said they were Turks. The young people (some of them at least in Vardar Macedonia) have been taught by other people that Vanche Mihaylov was not a Bulgarian. And they still believe that he is only a Macedonian (by birth). At the same time other people from the great emigrant circles, especially in Bulgaria, as well as in all of Pirin Macedonia, as well as many people from our country of Macedonia, know for sure that Vancho is a clear-cut Bulgarian. I remember my grandfather very well – he died in 1907 when he was almost 80. My grandfather had clear memories of his grandfather, who had been born some time in the first two decades of the eighteenth century. From all of my grandfather’s words and memories about his grandfather I drew the clear conclusion that at the time of Father Paisii the Bulgarian name and conscience with our people were as clear as they are today with me. B.V.: For the last few months in Macedonia many ambiguities and enigmas appeared. Now the question has appeared about Chento, about Tempo, about Shatorov and Kolishevsky, about their role and place in the events of history. Have you been able to follow these arguments? Can you share your opinion? I.M.: I had the chance to read something about the above-mentioned arguments. Shatorov from Prilep is a Bulgarian. He was right to believe that the Bulgarian army did not come to Macedonia as an occupation one. As far as Kolishevsky is concerned, we saw it in his acts that he is something of a Serboman. To me, Tempo is a man who thinks in a Serbian way about Macedonia, because he is actually a Serbian (from Monte Negro). There are some people who would really like to be considered of a special category of actual rebels against the Serbian tyranny. I think that none of them has been able to point to at least a feather plugged out of a Serbian occupation hen. We have provided tons of information for many years about the actual villainies of people in the Yugoslavian government. I have read that former Serbian colonists have appeared with the aim of becoming masters of Macedonian lands. Concerning the issue of the former Serbian colonists, we need to use a special language. Some time ago IMRO used to speak it. B.V.: In all Yugoslavia conversations with emigrants - Serbian, Croatian, Slovenian – are very much of present interest. Interviews have been taken from Alexander Karageorgievich, Prince Pavel’s son, and then from Alexander, the successor of the throne. In several successive issues of the Zagreb magazine Start an interview of Ante Ziliga in Rome was published, as well as interviews of other people. All this was impossible some time ago. What is more, the press has mentioned a very interesting fact. A Macedonian historian had openly asked the question, “What would have happened to Macedonia if Vancho Mihaylov in 1941 had come to Macedonia and had proclaimed the Macedonian state?” The interest in you is growing all the time in Macedonia. A day will come when your books and statements will be popular readings for the present and future generation. What should these generations know about you, what would you recommend? I.M.: When in 1941 the Bulgarian schools were opened in Macedonia, no riots were reported there, and no other schools were asked for. The old people, the older generation still had fresh memories about their studies in Bulgarian schools in Macedonia during the Ottoman rule. If in 1941 an independent Macedonia had been founded, and the people had accepted it with joy, then it would have fought to preserve the state later. But one thing is clear: there would not have been any possibilities for the invention of a “Macedonian people” and a “Macedonian language.” The French sociologist Prof. Guy Errot rightly explained in his book Peoples and Languages in Europe that this language and this ethnicity were invented to confuse people’s ideas. I would recommend to the young people in Macedonia to hold on to the fact that we have been Bulgarians for thousands of years. However, they should not avoid the idea of an independent Macedonia with recognized historical ethnic groups. Witnesses of the Bulgarian past of Macedonia are the Greeks, the Romanians, the Albanians, the Turks, and the Jews. These ethnic groups still live with their national names preserved for many centuries. B.V.: In Macedonia, I mean its Vardar portion, a culture has been developing quickly, together with a literature that is autonomous, staying far from both the Serbian and the Bulgarian culture and literature. This culture and literature has been recognized in the world, in Europe, in America and in the East. Do you follow these processes? What do you think about them? Have you read any of these literary works? I.M.: Some time ago I read some poetry in the “new language.” Other than that I have not read anything. I personally recognize only Bulgarian dialects in Macedonia. What you consider special literature and culture I think is nothing but a dialectal branch of Bulgarian national literature. B.V.: The writer Stoyan Hristov has already joined modern Macedonian literature. You know this man. What do you think about his work, which has been glorified in the American society, and today it is even more famous? I.M.: Stoyan Hristov used to come to me. He and the people who accompanied him from Sofia brought the news to me that the Serbs had killed my innocent father and brother in Shtip. I said to them that I would never sink so low as the Serbian intellectuals who inspired the murders of many of our brothers and sisters in Macedonia, all innocent people. I have not heard anything about him or his literary works since then. B.V.: Mr. Mihaylov, would you recommend something to Macedonia now, when we are expecting the twenty-first century? What is the future of this land? I.M.: I have no courage to make any predictions. I know that the Macedonian issue is still unsettled. But it could be settled if the people who bear the responsibility are lead by justice. Macedonia should not come under the authority of a neighbor. It should be governed and lead according to the Swiss model; the ethnic groups in the country should diligently respect their historical rights. Macedonia, as well as other suffering countries, is without any doubt, among the most fervent supporters of the idea of a united Europe. Let us hope that the beginning of the twenty-first century will exhibit greater successes in this field. October 1, 1989 Rome http://www.macedoniainfo.com/Independent_Macedonia.htm |
| n/a | Emi zosto se ne zaprasate Tatarlana za kolku pari stana Ivan Mihajlov blgarin? Za 150 milioni leva, 1925 god.! |
| n/a | Sto e prosto ovoj Maverick, ni prezentira i dokumenti od Vrhovistite koi se organizacija sozdadeni od bugarskata vlada za bugariziranje na makedoncite. Prasanjeto z`s ne e BMRO tuku VMRO koga se znae deka 60% od Bugarija t.e. istocna Rumelija bila uste neoslobodena. Toa za nekakvi dokumenti od Vrhovistite- kurvi na bugarite i najcesto vodeni od bugarski oficeri e dosta poznato. A za dve pisma na Goce Delcev koi se so somnitelno poteklo vo koi se zbori za "bnugari" vo sporedba na 250 pisma objaveni i od samite bugari vo koi G Delcev pisuva za makedonskiot narod, makedoncite i neprijatelite bugari, srbi i grci, nisto ne se spomnuva. A ne e ni tajna deka vo 1924 g. vo Sofija se formira Makedonski Institut koj falsifikuva dokumenti povrzani so makedoncite. Sto se odnesuva na Jane Sandanski, nekoj neka samo procita negovi napisii po vesnicite ili negovi izjavi i ke vidi sto bil po nacionalno ubeduvanje sandanski: MAKEDONEC koj veruval deka denesnite makeodnci se potomci na Alex Makedonski. |
| Dunek | quote:Da be , slushnav film snimile za niv . [:D] |
| n/a | VMRO e osnovano kako BMOK-bulgaro makedono-odrinski komitet-1896 god. - dr.Hristo Tatarcev, Peter Pop Arsov, Dame Gruev itn. Malku podocna go dobilo imeto TMORO-Tajna revolucionerna organizacija na Makedonija i Odrinsko(Edrene,Juzna Trakija) Potoa VMORO pa VMRO(okolu balkanskite vojni) |
| n/a | 1893, se izvinuvam:) |
| n/a | Ovaa tatarlanava samo prazni zborovi kazuva. Nema apsoluten nieden dokument za postoenjeto na Bugaro-VMRO! Seto toa e izmislica na Tatarine. Bas gi imam razgleduvano bugarskite propagandisticki WEB Stranici i ONI NEMAAT NIEDEN DOKUMENT ZA POSTOENJE NA makedono-odrinski komitet. |
| n/a | Maveric, jas se kladam deka ti si nekoj "od Bylgarskata" ambasada. A koj e siguren deka bugarite imaat vistinski dokumenti, koga 99% od nivnata dokumentacija za Makedonija e napravena 1924g. so formuranjeto na MAKEDONSKIOT NACIONALEN INSTITUT vo Sofija koj se bori za bugariziranje na makeodncite.
Tuku aj da odeme poleka:
1. ZA KUZMAN SAPKAREV.....eve sto veli bugarot Slavejkov, predstavnikot-spiunot na Bugarskiot Egzarh vo Makedonija (denesen Jovan Vraniskovski):
February 1874
A letter from P.R. Slaveykov to the Bulgarian Exarch: Your Grace, I arrived in Salonika on the evening of the 14th of last month (January 1874). I immediately went to meet all the important local people and some others from the other Macedonian towns. My aim was to gather information as son as possible on what was to be necessary for the succes of the mission with which you had entrusted me. I first met Father Averkij Zografski, and the following day Father Petar Dimitrov as well, the local president of the community. I may inform you, Your Grace, that the wind from here, from Salonika, blows and scatters to all sides. These two clergyman, to my mind, are the leaders of the movement fot the restoration of the Archbishopric of Ohrid, although one should not neglect Ohrid and to certain extent Bitola, Veles and Skopje either. The Uniate movement here is not without roots, as they think in Constantinople, especially His Grace, Count Ignatiev. During the time I have been in Macedonia I have ascertained the same we had formerly known and written three years ago. Now, as then or twenty years ago, we are dealing with the Macedonian question. In talks with few Macedonian "patriots" I have understood that this movement, which had been only bare words till a few years ago, is now clear and precise thought - "The Macedonians are not Bulgarians" and they persistenly strive, regardless of the price, to obtain a separate church of their own.
They also have the support in their separatism of smoe high clergyman in Constantinople, especially His Grace Nathaniel Ohridski, Panariot Plovdivski, and Archimandrite Hariton Karpuzov. I have understood this month from reliable sources that there are letters which arrive every day from Constantinople to the Salonika community, and are then sent to the other communities in the provinces. The letters are written in this spirit. One such letter, which the Salonika community sent to the community of Voden, calls upon the inhabitants of Voden to break off all their relations with theExarchate until the Macedonian Church question is settled, because "now is the moment". Mr. Kuzman Shapkarev from Ohrid, who is well known to us, has done a great deal to spread the idea of the restoration of the Archbishopric of Ohrid; he consatnly travels between Kukish and Ohrid and v.v., but at whose expanse, I do not know. Mr. Dimitar Makedonski, "the Macedonian textbook writer", is no less active, reciving salary as a teacher from the Exarchate and from local Lazarists.
Owing to such unreasonable sermons by the Macedonian patriots that the church question has been settled only in favor of the Bulgarians, there is discontent among the people towrds the eparchies of th4 Danube and Adrianople vilayets as well as envy because of the earlier awakening of the Bulgarians. One can especially feel a great resistance against the East Bulgarian variant in literature. A general impression is that the local people think that the Macedonians have been done a great harm with the settlement of the church question in favor of the Danubian and Thracian Bulgarians. This discontent has already grown into distrust of the Exarchate and its higher echalons. and there is an attitude formed that the local Macedonian dialect should be declared a literary language and a Macedonian hiearchy established. IZVOR: Dve pisma na P. R. Slaveykov za makedonizmot. - Razgledi XIV, 5(1972), p.561-566
ZAKLUCHOK: SHAPKAREV BIL ANTI-BUGARIN! 2. ZA TEODOSIJ GOLOGANOV: Maverik, ti si dosta nepismen! Teodosij Gologanov bil rodum od Nevrokop, Pirinska Makedonija. Eve sto veli Teodosij Gologanov, Skopski Mitropolit: June 22, 1891 Skopje Theodosius, Metropolitan of Skopje, to Archimandrite Dionysius in Sofia. ...our Holy Exarchate headed by His Holiness Exarch Joseph I does everything possible to persuade the wretched Macedonian people that it has good intentions, that it cares for their present and future and that it wants to draw them out of the darkness of national unawareness and create holy Bulgarians of them. But I would not have to persuade you too long, my dearest brother in Christ, that our Holy Exarchate, with its religious and educational activity here, in Macedonia, in fact carries out a most miserable task, it deprives a people of its name and replaces it with another, it deprives them of their mother tongue and replaces it with another, alien one, in order to allow its government and its Bulgarian masters to extend their commerce to foreign territories, too. And what else would you call this, my dear brother, other then a new slavery, even more terrible then the Turkish one? The Turks take the property and the lives of the people, but do not encroach upon their spirit. They destroy the body but respect the soul. And our Holy Exarchate kills the latter, the perpetual... I have written this to you, so that you would not be amazed by my previous letter in which I stated my opinion that we clergyman, Macedonians in origin, should unite and urge our people to awaken, throw off foreign authority, throw off even the Patriarchate and the Exarchate, and spiritually unified under the wing of the Archbishopric of Ohrid, their only true Mother Church. Is it not high time to put an end to the national movements of a single people among which some recognize the Patriarchate, some the Exarchate and some even bow to Mohammed? Is it not high time to put an end to hatred between blood brothers? And how could this be achieved if not by the way of our national Church , by way of the Archbishopric of Ohrid? I shall be sincere, my dear brother in Christ, and shall openly declare to you: we, the Macedonians, to not suffer as much by the Turks, as by the Greeks, the Bulgarians and the Serbs, who have set upon us like vultures upon a carcass in this tortured land and want to split it up. ("And they parted Your garments, Jesus")..... ...Theodosius of Skopje Centralen D'rzhaven istoricheski archiv (Sofia) 176, op. 1. arh.ed. 595, l.5-42 - Razgledi, X/8 (1968), p.996-1000. December 4, 1891 Theodosius, Metropolitan of Skopje, to Pope Leo XIII I, the undersigned Metropolitan of Skopje, Theodosius, by God's Mercy head of Skopje eparchy, am submitting this request both in my name and in the name of of the whole Orthodox flock of Macedonia, in which we are begging His Holiness to accept us under the wing of the Roman Catholic Church...Our desire springs from the historical right of the Orthodox Macedonian people to be freed from the jurisdiction of foreign Churches - the Bulgarian Exarchate and the Constantinople Patriarchate - ....The borders of the Archbishopric should conform to the present borders of Macedonia... Archivio della S. Congregazione de Propaganda Fide - Roma: Indice della Potenza - Marzo 1892-93, Somm.XV, f.132-141. TEODOSIJ GOLOGANOV ZBORUVA ZA MAKEDONSKI NAROD, ZA BORBA PROTIV BUGARITE I GRCITE, ZA BORBA PROTIV GRCIZACIJA I BUGARIZACIJA NA MAKEODNCITE! Tatarog`zoljubecot napisa: "Zasto sloganot na ilindenskoto vostanie e kopija na sloganot na bugarskoto skoro 30 godini porano(1876) ili 'svoboda ili smrt'"...SLOGANOT SMRT ILI SLOBODA E SLOGAN I NA GRCKOTO NACIONAL-OSLOBODITELNO VOSTANIE 1821-1829 godina! Lesno nepismeni i nedovetni kako ovoj "maverick" se zaveduvaat koga nemaat opsti poznavanja od istorija! A "maveric", daj im eden "vpros" na blgarite oti do 1880 g. nivnite "prerodbenici" pisuvale na cist srpski jazik ili na srbo-ruska mesavina?! |
| n/a | So zborvish sinko, sega Baba Zumbula infrakt ke ja udri?! A go citam ja cicko Vanco i nekako mi e nejasen, nedorecen, kratki odgovori ...najsmesno mi bese koga vika deka i dedo mu i pradedo mu pa i cukun dedo mu (vo vremeto na Paisij) demek bile Blgari///kako da se pravda nekako... Citam i duri si pomisliv deka bil priglup coveko ama toj da si prodal dusata na dzaolo |
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| n/a | Mojot pradedo, ziveel i rabotel vo Sliven, (ama za sreka si se vratil vo milata Makedonija) kazuvase za Sarafov deka bil Golem Makedonec, nas ni bese cudno oti neli tie bea Bugarofili..taka ne ucea! Posle koga ja citav knigata "Makedonskiot Cetnik" (taka nekako bese naslovot) imase mal del za Sarafov ama jas dobiv vpecatok deka bil "dvoen" igrac, vo smisla moral da "sorabotuva" so Bugarite za da ima pozicija da napravi bilo sto za Makedonija! Taka zboruvase Baba Zumbula.... |
| n/a | VO VRSKA SO EVOLUCIJATA NA IMETO NA MAKEDONSKO-ODRINSKATA REVOLUCIONERNA ORGANIZACIJA KAKO PRILOG NAVEDUVAM NEKOI ZNACAJNI DOKUMENTI: http://site.znain.com/macedonia/pictures-and-docs/vmro.html SE SO CEL CITATELITE DA NE OSTANAT IZMANIPULIRANI OD NEKOI CLENOVI NA FORUMOT! |
| Dunek | Vnatreshno MAKEDONSKA ........... Shto e sporno ? |
| Homer MakeDonski | quote:Bravo ! Da ne bea(vo topikov) Misirkov ,bitusanec , Dunek ,Kristijan ,Baba Zumbula nitu kje znaevme deka postojat manipulatori [:)] |
| n/a | Svetski zagovor protiv antickite makedonci[:p] |