Eurosong 2005
Eurosong 2005
dzadzev 譼 web-: esctoday.com  . Macedonia is astonished Prime Minister acknowledges voting scandal Sun 20 Feb 2005 22:08 Source: A1, Zlatko Dimitrioski, mmm.com.mk Written by: Roel Philips The tension has risen last night in Skopje, where the Macedonian national final took place. After the final results had been announced, it came to a verbal confrontation between supporters of both finalists Aleksandra Pileva and Martin Vucic. A physical confrontation could be avoided in the end. Macedonian Prime Minister Vladimir Buckovski expressed his concerns about how things went last night. The Macedonian song for Kiev was selected by 3 juries: 33.33 % televoting, 33.33 % professional jury and 33.33% votes by the audience in the hall. The climax of the discontent started when the jury gave its points to Martin Vucic, although Aleksandra Pileva had gained six times more votes through televoting. Due to a complex voting system, Aleksandra Pileva's leading position could still be turned into a victory for Martin Vucec. These were the results: 1 - 24 points | Martin Vucic - Ti si son => 0 televote + 10 jury + 14 audience 2 - 14 points | Aleksandra Pileva - Sonce i mesecina => 12 televote + 2 jury + 0 audience In absolute numbers it however looks like this: 1 - 50.655 votes | Aleksandra Pileva - Sonce i mesecina => 50.159 televotes + 2 jury + 494 audience 2 - 9.370 votes | Martin Vucic - Ti si son => 8.790 televotes + 10 jury + 570 audience Aleksandra Pileva and Martin Vucic are expected to give an official statement on the situation on Tuesday. Esctoday.com has tried to contact Ivan Mircevski, responsible for Eurovision Song Contest matters at Macedonian broadcaster MKRTV, but until now no reply has reached us. The official website for this year's Macedonian selections remains unupdated in the meanwhile. Macedonian pop diva Kaliopi, who had written the song that opened the contest last night, said that she is disappointed and resigned over the outcome. Kaliopi says she should face the reality that every Eurovision Song Contest selection in FYR Macedonia is scandalous. The voting scandal has as well been been acknowledged by the Macedonian Prime Minister Vladimir Buckovski, who was present among the audience last night. Buckovski expressed his concerns over the way points have been awarded. The last word about the Macedonian selections is not yet over. Esctoday.com will keep you up to date as further news develops. Reactions on this newsitem : Ben Go#269;ev Mon 21 Feb 2005 16:14 you all say that the song is good - yes the song is ok, BUT the reason the majority of Macedonians dont want this song is because a) we know what he is like singing live!! he is like a strangled cat when he sings live, and the performance will be a horrible mess! b) because we know the song does not represent our culture. it is greek and albanian culture more than macedonian, the only macedonian elements are the instruments near the end! this sort of music is not even popular in macedonia! GO ALEKSANDRA! Bojan Nanev Mon 21 Feb 2005 15:46 Macedonia has chose their winner!and that is Alexandra PIleva and her song "Sonce I Mesecina"!!!!!! and Martin VUcic , by ME, it's the WORST way to present our country at ESC this year!!! and, like some of the "expert" juiry said that his song 'Ti Si Son" represent the truth macedonians rhythm it's so..... I can't even find the right word to expres myself.OK it's soSTUPID!!!that song has more GREEK rhytms and elements than any other of his songs!!! Alexandra it's our WINNER,and I just hope that somehow MRTV will find the way to change their mind and send her in Kiev , instead the worst singer in the World Martin Vucic!!!! Greece has done that last year & they end up @#3!!!! PILEVA FOR MACEDONIA @ ESC 2005!!!!!!!! fatix civelek Mon 21 Feb 2005 15:17 YES INDEED .. GET OUT OF THIS MESS Boris PP Mon 21 Feb 2005 14:44 I thought that Macedonia had gained some experience in the organization of the national final, but it looks like the whole thing is turning into a win-or-die contest everywhere. This is just a variation of the same scandal across countries - people expect to see ethics where everything is "legal"! Anyway, I'm not going to urge anyone to "boycott" our jolly neighbours. Good luck Macedonia and try to get out of the mess! Holger Fehrmann Mon 21 Feb 2005 10:35 I watch the show live on MKTV. 4 hours for 8 songs. Alexandra is the real winner for me. She deserved the win. But the jury denied it and gave Mr. Vukic the victory. It will vey diffcult to reach the final for Macedonia in 2005. But who knows what happens! Tobias Larsson Mon 21 Feb 2005 09:24 I agree with Simon, this song is really good. The rules were always there, and with a voting system like that, this is bound to happen, that it is not necessarily the public's fave that wins. Keep Martin and score well in Kiev... Chronis P. Mon 21 Feb 2005 07:59 OMG! Everywhere there is a scandal! First Bulgaria,after Malta and now FYR Macedonia. Angela Leung Mon 21 Feb 2005 07:07 Yeh ur right Simon. They've got a good song this year. Concentrate on maximising their chances to win rather than throw a spanner in any works. There's always other chances for Aleksandra. She's a fab singer and is unlikely to go down within the next year. Timco Mucunski Mon 21 Feb 2005 04:54 NO MORE HATIN' GUYS!!!!! MAY THE BEST GO TO KIEV!!!!!!!!! ALL MY LOVE TO MARTIN AND ALEXANDRA!!!!!! WHO KNOWS....MAYBE A DUET FOR THEM OR SUMTIN!!!!!!!!!!! Simon Clifford Mon 21 Feb 2005 02:36 This is by far the best song selected so far this year. I don't think Macedonia will be complaining when they get their best ever result at ESC, if not a victory?! Who care if the voting was rigged, this is a very strong song that will do very well in Kiev! Paul Lashmana Mon 21 Feb 2005 01:55 fatix, of course this is Eurovision. There's no doubt it should not happen, but look at it from a distance, we all would have nothing (substantial) to talk about, if it weren't for these episodes. They happen every year and are part of the esc, in my opinion. For the fans, the run-up to the contest is fun, but clearly when participating a lot is at stake... Drusus 1 Mon 21 Feb 2005 01:03 I am sad to hear it ....hope Macedonia will be successful so there should be a final decision about the representing song/singer soon ! I like the selelcted song but I d also be very pleased if Aleksandra should represent Macedonia with " sun&moon " !! Leah Gertler Mon 21 Feb 2005 00:38 to Adam Smith - I am sorry if you felt I was implying that, because that was not my intention. I guess oversensitivity runs both ways. Florian CH Mon 21 Feb 2005 00:35 I hope, Macedonia choice Aleksandra and her song "Sonce i mesecina" for Kiev 2005! It`s better than "Ti si son" ! fatix civelek Mon 21 Feb 2005 00:05 IT IS REALLY GETTING OUT OF CONTROL. PROBLEMS AND SCANDAL IN BULGARIA, WITH THEIR FIRST ENTRY NOW THE VIRUSSS HAS GOT WHOLE OF MACEDONIA MAYBE WHOLE THE BALKAN COUNTRIES WOULD BE EFFECTED BY THIS VIRUS: WAIT AND SEE BEOVIZIJA IN SERBIA, IT WOULD GET WORSE. IT ESCALATES AND TO UNUSUAL--> A PRIME MINISTER GETS INVOLVED??? PUFFFFFF... THIS IS NOT EUROVISION I GUESS. Adam Smith Mon 21 Feb 2005 00:01 Leah Gertler I thought I should read my friends Ran R and Denis Koren comment I felt left out when english language isn't used, I did say that language I meant friendly, I was unsure what language it was, I didn't want to say your language, which I thought might sound racistic, as I'm not. Euro Maniac Sun 20 Feb 2005 23:53 Ben, thanks for pointing that out - my mistake. I was meaning to refer to the situation in 1998 when Koprov's three entries came 1st, 2nd and 3rd in a so called "televoting" that must have had one of the most enormous responses ever given the size of the country. It was obviously "bought", just like the jury last night (albeit by others). As for Kaliopi, she shouldn't talk too loudly about fairness. The only reason why she won in 1996 was that her close relative was the head of Macedonian TV. Leah Gertler Sun 20 Feb 2005 23:43 Adam Smith, what do you mean by "that language"? if I wanted to write in French now, would you be as upset as you are now because of "that language"? however, in all fairness, Ran R did make an error in judgement and Denis Koren explained it to him in "that language" so he won't repeat it again and it was necessary under the circumstances. I would have done the same in "that language" if I had to react on the spot. Back to the issue, isn't this the first time ever that a prime minister from any participating country actually comments on the results of a national final? I don't quite understand what the big scandal is: The current voting system in Macedonia can create a situation where the general public's vote is not crucial in deciding who is the winner. It may be unethical, but it's legal. In any case, it seems that as a result of the public outcry, the voting system will have to undergo a serious revision. Marc Jundi Sun 20 Feb 2005 23:21 @ Ron R .. don't take the members of ESCtoday as ignorant ... what you put forward in your Hebrew comment is totally inconvenient .. let's put religions behind us, please ... if you have a subjective comment say it, otherwise keep all the negativity and hatred-related matters to yourself! Euro Maniac Sun 20 Feb 2005 23:19 There's no point having a televoting if the votes given aren't going to decide the outcome. Te only acceptable "expert jury" is a jury made up of foreigners (to account for the taste in other countries) and / or fans. Here, it was obvious that the jury was "bought" by Mr. Koprov. Also, it's pretty rediculous to let the audience in the hall account for 1/3 of the result. That means that one of the two candidates can simply buy the majority of tickets and, with that, 1/3 of the votes. Maybe the Macedonian people need to make a revolution after having their clear preference so blatantly disregarded? In any case, this just goes to show (as it has been pointed out previously on this site (in connection with Bulgaria) that these "new" states in the East / South East of Europe obviously suffer huge democratic deficits and should not be allowed to compete in the ESC until they have become well functioning democracies. Pieter Gelissen Sun 20 Feb 2005 23:06 I thought Dali Vredi of Martin was the best song to perform on Eurovision stage, it's a typical Croatian song, but they always do well so why don't use the formula. The song of Aleksandra is better as Martin's but I don't think the results will be rethaught Ejder Raif Sun 20 Feb 2005 22:50 Martin Vucic's song "Ti si son" is the best song and deserves to be sung at Kiev. It is an up tempo, ethnic song that sounds very promising for Macedonia and I am sure that it get into the Top 5. Go on Macedonia!!! Can you bring the Eurovision home? I am sure that you can. Go on Martin. Do you country proud! Kevin Bateson Sun 20 Feb 2005 22:27 What a complicated voting system - maybe a less complicated one would mean less confusion!! Mr. Mircevski Sun 20 Feb 2005 22:26 because it's a scandal! johnny - Sun 20 Feb 2005 22:24 Could someone explain? Why did the audience award 14 points if the televoters and the jury awarded 12 each? I thought each part would award 33,3% of the total score.. Mr. Mircevski Sun 20 Feb 2005 22:21 Aleksandra for KIEV 2005!!!! Martin try again in 2050 Charley Beyen Sun 20 Feb 2005 22:20 Indeed! Those figures speak for themselves. This shows you guys wanting to have a jury back in ESC. So far for the 'it's more fair' theory.
dzadzev MACEDONIAN NATIONAL FINAL: The members of OGAE Macedonia are protesting for the system of voting on the main night at the national selection for the Macedonian representative on Eurosong in Kiev. In compliance to our opinion, we are not going to publish the results of the voting. Our opinion is based on our knowlidge of setting up the voting process. http://www.macedonia.ogae.net/
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