| Pope given last rites |
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Italian news agency Apcom said there were unconfirmed reports that Pope John Paul II had received the sacrament for the sick and dying.
The sacrament used to be called Extreme Unction or Last Rites but was renamed to reflect its administering not only to the dying but to the sick, as well.
An emergency room chief at the Gemelli Polyclinic said there were no plans to admit John Paul "at the moment," the Italian news agency ANSA said.
Lights in the papal apartment above St Peter's Square were on until about 11pm, generally well past the papal bedtime. Later the light in the Apostolic Palace's nursing station on the same floor as the pope's apartment.
Police cars and other vehicles were seen going in and out of the Vatican gates as the evening wore on, and a small crowd of Italians who were following news on television began gathering at the edge of the square.
Vatican officials could not immediately be reached to confirm the reports.
The pope developed a high fever on Thursday because of a urinary tract infection and was being treated with antibiotics at the Vatican, his spokesman said. The latest health setback for the 84-year-old pontiff came one day after he began receiving nutrition through a feeding tube.
"The Holy Father today was struck by a high-fever caused by a confirmed infection of the urinary tract," spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls told The Associated Press by telephone.
The pope was receiving antibiotics at the Vatican, Navarro-Valls said.
"The medical situation is being strictly controlled by the Vatican medical team that is taking care of him," he said.
Earlier, ANSA and Apcom said the pope had suffered an alarming drop in blood pressure on Thursday evening.
A urinary infection can produce fever and a drop in blood pressure as reported in the pope, said Dr. Marc Siegel, a specialist in internal medicine at the New York University Medical Centre.
The pope's risk of such an infection is heightened because he is elderly - which suggests his prostate is probably enlarged - debilitated and run down from the illness that recently sent him to the hospital, Siegel said.
Urinary infections tend to respond well to antibiotics, given either as pills or intravenously, and "I would suspect there's a very good chance he's going to recover well," Siegel said.
Hospitalised twice last month following two breathing crises and with a tube placed in his throat to help him breathe, John Paul has become a picture of suffering. When he appeared at his apartment window Wednesday to bless pilgrims in St. Peter's Square, he managed to utter only a rasp.
Later that day, the Vatican announced he had been fitted with a feeding tube in his nose to help boost his nutritional intake.
The use of the feeding tube illustrates a key point of Roman Catholic policy John Paul has proclaimed: It is morally necessary to give patients food and water, no matter their condition.
As Parkinson's disease and other ailments have left him increasingly frail, the pope has been emphasising that the chronically ill, "prisoners of their condition ... retain their human dignity in all its fullness."
The Vatican's attitude to the chronically ill has been apparent in its bitter condemnation of a judge's order two weeks ago to remove a feeding tube from Terri Schiavo, the severely brain-damaged American woman who died Thursday.
Vatican Cardinal Jose Saraiva Martins, reacting to Schiavo's death, denounced the removal of her feeding tube as "an attack against God."
While John Paul is fully alert, some see parallels in the two cases.
Under John Paul, Vatican teaching on the final stages of life includes a firm rejection of euthanasia, insistence on treatments that help people bear ailments with dignity and encouragement of research to enhance and prolong life.
A 1980 Vatican document makes the distinction between "proportionate" and "disproportionate" means of prolonging life. While it gives room for refusal of some forms of aggressive medical intervention for terminally ill patients, it insists that "normal care" must not be interrupted.
John Paul set down exactly what that meant in a speech last year to an international conference on treatments for patients in a so-called persistent vegetative state.
"I should like particularly to underline how the administration of water and food, even when provided by artificial means, always represents a natural means of preserving life, not a medical act. Its use, furthermore, should be considered, in principle, ordinary and proportionate, and as such morally obligatory."
John Paul's 26-year papacy has been marked by its call to value the aged and to respect the sick, subjects the pope has turned to as he battles Parkinson's disease and crippling knee and hip ailments.
The Rev. Thomas Williams, a Rome-based theologian, said there are parallels between Schiavo and John Paul, based on the church teaching that such feeding is required. "In that sense, there is a great similarity," he said.
But he pointed out that the pope has been fully conscious and running the church. Court-appointed doctors had determined that Schiavo was in a persistent vegetative state with no hope of recovery before her death. Schiavo's parents had argued that she could get better and that she would never have wanted to be cut off from food and water.
It is not clear who would be empowered to make medical decisions for an unconscious pope. The pope has no close relatives, but the Vatican has officially declined to comment whether John Paul has left written instructions. |
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VATICAN CITY (CNN) -- Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger of Germany has been selected by the Roman Catholic church as the new pope.
Cardinal Jorge Arturo Medina Estevez of Chile made the announcement to a cheering crowd in St. Peter's Square.
Ratzinger, who took the name Benedict XVI, appeared on the balcony of the Vatican Basilica to greet the people and deliver his first papal blessing.
"Dear brothers and sisters, after the great Pope John Paul II, the cardinals have elected me -- a simple, humble worker in the vineyard of the Lord," The Associated Press quoted him as saying.
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Once the archbishop of Munich, Germany, and for many years prefect of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith, Ratzinger, 78, was one of the most powerful men in the Vatican and is widely acknowledged as a leading theologian.
Ratzinger served for 20 years as John Paul II's chief theological adviser.
As a young priest he was on the progressive side of theological debates but shifted to the right after the student revolutions of 1968.
In the Vatican, he has been the driving force behind crackdowns on liberation theology, religious pluralism, challenges to traditional moral teachings on issues such as homosexuality, and dissent on such issues as women's ordination.
The dean of the College of Cardinals since November 2002, he was elevated to cardinal by Pope Paul VI in June 1977.
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Originally posted by sapeski
Нострадамус имал предвидено дека последниот папа ќе биде овој сегашниов. (Името започнувало на Р, не ми текнува, било доста слично со предвидувањето за Германскиот фирер Хитлер, тој го протолкувал како Хетлер) и дека после Јован Павле Втори ќе има само уште еден кој ќе се вика (Започнува на Р) и дека тој ќе биде последниот папа на црквата, после тоа црквата ќе се распаднела. Баш ме интересира како ќе заврши ова.
Jas go imam istoto chitano. Samo ne beshe Hetler nego beshe Himler ;) |
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Originally posted by sapeski
Нострадамус имал предвидено дека последниот папа ќе биде овој сегашниов. (Името започнувало на Р, не ми текнува, било доста слично со предвидувањето за Германскиот фирер Хитлер, тој го протолкувал како Хетлер) и дека после Јован Павле Втори ќе има само уште еден кој ќе се вика (Започнува на Р) и дека тој ќе биде последниот папа на црквата, после тоа црквата ќе се распаднела. Баш ме интересира како ќе заврши ова.
Nema veza kako so jas sum cital Nostradamus predvidel deka sledniot papa ke bide crnec i vo negovoto vladeenje ke ima vojna pomegu hristijanite i muslimanite i toa bi bilo pocetok na krajot na svetot,ali za sreca ne se ispolni toa predviduvanje i zatoa site ZIVEJTE,i molete se so podolgo da zivee via papa oti ako dojde crnec na vlast posle toa ima sansi da se ispolni toa predviduvanje,mada da via papa sega bas i ne ni odgovara na nas pravoslavnite oti e tezok konzervativec i moze na site da ne zaebe epten jako a osven toa ima i nacisticko minato pa videte sea vie so povece vi odgovara,iako jas bi rekol koj i da e seedno nie nema vlast nad pravoslavnite. |
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Originally posted by AaaAa
sapeski zakon si [:D]
Не разбирам? Иронично? |
| AaaAa |
Ne najsikreno |
| melpomena |
Jas ne go narekov peder, samo si dadov svoe mislenje deka NIKAKO ne bi plachela za nego. Kamo jas da zhiveam 85 godini (eeee), bashka Papa bil edno 30 godini. Nemoj Strelec te molamm, cel svet cmizdri za nego, a znaeme kakov kriminal se pravi vo Vatikan.
Gospod neka mu gi prosti grevovite (koi znaeme deka ne se malku:)
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| OooOo |
Mislam deka papata sekoja godina za Sv. Kiril i Metodij godini nanazad primashe crkovna delegacija od Makedonija ili se lazham?? Dodeka nikoj drug ne ja priznava MPC, papata toa odamna go imashe storeno na indirekten nachin.
Smrtta na papata za nas pravoslavcite mozhda i nema nekoe golemo znachenje, no za katolicite ima. Ako na nekogo ne mu se svigja temata shto ja otvoriv, slobodno neka ja ignorira. |
| Homer MakeDonski |
mene nemoj da mi se cudis procitaj me povtorno |
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Pa kolku sto znam, borbata koj da go nasledi beshe medju afrikanecto i homicot?
A sto praime pak ako drug poljak e naznacen na rakovodna pozicija, ovoj pat vo UN? Kolku-tolku Poljacite ni se ponakloneti od da kazeme Chesite, da se nadevame deka kje bide povolno za nas. |
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Originally posted by slasa
nemozam da vi se nacudam . sto ima ovoj peder napraveno za covestvoto kako pove nisto .. pa sto pcojsa gavolot , i sega ke piseme za nego ...
dodeka deca umitret po svetot za parce lebce toj jadese so zlarni klajci i slugi ... ???
Slave istovo doma go zborev, kako da sme se dogovarale. Toj 30 godini bil Papa, se iznazhiveal poshteno i site "go zhalat", a sekoj den umiraat lugje od glad i razni bolesti i nikoj nishto ne prevzema[}:)][:(]
Ovie vo Hrvatska pobudalea po Papata. 2000 koga bev vo Katedralata vo Split ushte samo shto ne bea stavile "predmeti shto gi doprel Papata koga bil vo poseta na Hrvatska i priborot za jadenje"[xx(] |
| Strelec |
slasa i melpomena... malku me razocaravte...:(
Onoj shto ne misli deka treba da go zhali Papata, sekako deka ne mora da go pravi toa... I dotuka e vo red... No chovek (bez ogled dali bil Papa ili ne) shto shtotuku umrel da se narekuva 'gjavol' i 'peder' (ili da se poddrzuva nekoj shto upotrebil takvi zborovi za shtotuku pochinatiot), voopshto ne e nitu vkusno, nitu korektno!:(
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| AaaAa |
George W. Bush, Laura, Condoleezza Rice, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, i gradonacalnikot na NYC Michael Bloomberg bea/bile vo oficijalnata delegacija na Amerika. Jimmy Carter ne bil pokanet, iako sakal, a se mislele okolu Kennedy (Ted) i Kerry ko shto citav... nekoj e ljut, ama Kerry bil, baska cela senate delagation, pa ovakva pa onakva... samo da se seta, jebi ga zaso plakjame taksi. (pisav taxi prvo, posle mi tekna deka toa plakjame od shto ne bolat noze) LOL
Od balkancite, Prvanov, Mesic i Sanader od Hrvatska.
Pazi Srbija i Crna GOra molim te (hrvatite bile hipokriticni huh) Svetozar Marovic, Vuk Draskovic, Boris Tadic, Filip Vujanovic; Ibrahim Rugova, Bajram Kosumi i Nexhat Daci
Albanija-Alfred Moisiu i Fatos Nano
NYTIMEs go imashe staeno i Branko od nasive, ama na listava na tie shto bile ne go gledam.
Si ima rabota on doma, nema shto da prai drushtvo tamu. :)
nego za malku se sopnav neso Sante Cirile i Metodi gi viknaa da se molat za vreme Liturgy of Saints.... ja si rekov nekoj me vide preku TV i mi prai sopki:) |
| OooOo |
Na TV davaat najavi deka papata gi zhivee poslednite minuti ... |
| Great_Macedonian |
Pocina! bog da go prosti |
| OooOo |
Vatikan izleze so izjava deka papata e seushte zhiv i deka taa vest e izlezena samo od edna novinska agencija ... bash sega gledam snimka od Vatikan vo zhivo na JTV (Jamaica TV) |
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Originally posted by OooOo
bash sega gledam snimka od Vatikan vo zhivo na JTV (Jamaica TV)
isto i ovde vo ontario... davaat snimka vo zhivo...od Vatikan...i nema deka papata pochinal |
| AaaAa |
VATICAN CITY (CNN) -- Pope John Paul II's breathing is becoming shallow and several of his major organs -- including his kidneys and heart -- are growing weaker, the Vatican said Friday.
"The general conditions and cardio-respiratory conditions of the Holy Father have further worsened. A gradual worsening arterial hypotension has been noted, and breathing has become shallow," the Vatican press office said.
"The clinical picture indicates cardio-circulatory and renal insufficiency. The biological parameters are notably compromised. The Holy Father, with visible participation, is joining the continual prayers of those assisting him."
The Vatican has denied reports in the Italian media that the pope had died.
Thousands of people gathered in St. Peter's Square at the Vatican Friday night for the saying of the rosary. High above the square, lights burned in the papal apartments.
A leading American prelate, Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, archbishop of Washington, said, "...If my information is correct, is that the Holy Father is sinking."
"We'll pray that the Lord -- who must love this man very much, because this man loves him very much -- that the Lord will take him peacefully to himself, if that's his will right now," McCarrick said.
The pope received visitors Friday, including the Vatican's secretary of state and several cardinals. Vatican spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said the pope celebrated a Mass and mediated on the ritual of the Stations of the Cross.
Worldwide prayers
At 7 p.m. local time Friday, a Mass was being held in honor of the pontiff at St. John Lateran Church, celebrated by Camillo Ruini, vicar of Rome.
"In this moment, he is more than ever our pope -- the vicar of Christ --- who livens us with his passion," Ruini said.
At the Mass Friday night, Ruini said the pope was "facing the most difficult test of his long and extraordinary life. He is living with that incredible serenity and he has abandoned himself to the hands of Christ, with whom he has always lived, worked, suffered and had joy."
Italians, Catholics and the faithful the world over have been asked to intensify their prayers for the Holy Father in light of his declining health. (Full story)
In another development, the papal press office issued a list of 17 new papal appointments, including bishops and archbishops, and a list of six archbishops who resigned.
The appointments and the resignations were approved previously by the pope, it said.
The announcements may be an attempt by the Vatican press office to indicate that the business of the Vatican continues. And if the list were to be issued, it would have to be issued now, ahead of a papal death.
Septic shock
Earlier, Navarro-Valls said in a written statement that the pope had suffered cardiocirculatory collapse and septic shock Thursday evening.
According to a Web site of the National Institutes of Health, septic shock is "a serious, abnormal condition that occurs when an overwhelming infection leads to low blood pressure and low blood flow.
"Vital organs, such as the brain, heart, kidneys, and liver may not function properly or may fail. Decreased urine output from kidney failure may be one symptom."
Italian police began closing the streets leading to the Vatican early Friday on expectations that due to the pontiff's grave condition, more pilgrims would come to the area.
Navarro-Valls said the pope was being treated in the Vatican, because it was his desire to remain in his residence and not return to the hospital.
The pope was "being assisted by his personal doctor, Renato Buzzonetti, as well as two intensive care specialists, a cardiologist and an ear, nose and throat specialist, as well as two nurses," the statement said.
On Thursday night, as his health deteriorated, the pontiff received the Catholic Church's sacrament Anointing of the Sick, formerly known as Last Rites or Extreme Unction -- a ritual of healing, a Vatican source told CNN.
The sacrament is given to patients who are seriously ill in addition to those who are near death. The pope also received the sacrament in 1981, when he was wounded by a would-be assassin.
The news of the pope's worsening condition came two days after the Vatican revealed that he had a feeding tube inserted through his nose to provide more nutrition, as he struggled to recover from a tracheotomy five weeks ago.
The 84-year-old pope suffers from a number of chronic illnesses, including crippling hip and knee ailments and Parkinson's disease, a progressive neurological disorder that can make breathing and swallowing difficult.
CNN Rome Bureau Chief Alessio Vinci and Vatican Analyst John Allen contributed to this report.
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Vest od pred 30 minuti odprilika ...
April 1, 2005 9:35 PM
Pope Nears Death as Health Worsens
By Philip Pullella and Crispian Balmer
VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope John Paul neared death onFriday as his health suddenly worsened, drawing anguishedprayers from Catholics around the world reluctant to accept hishistoric pontificate was near its end.
The Vatican said the 84-year-old Pontiff's breathing becameshallow and his blood pressure had dropped dangerously low. Butit denied Italian media reports that he had died.
Sky Italia TV, quoting a report from Italy's Apcom newsagency, said the Pope had lost consciousness. "There's no hopeany more," the ANSA news agency quoted an unidentified medicalsource as saying.
Church officials prepared the world and its 1.1 billionRoman Catholics for the end of the third longest papal reign inhistory -- more than 26 years.
"The general conditions and cardio-respiratory conditionsof the Holy Father have further worsened," said Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls.
"A gradual worsening of arterial hypotension has beennoted, and breathing has become shallow. The clinical pictureindicates cardio-circulatory and renal insufficiency. Thebiological parameters are notably compromised," Navarro-Vallssaid.
Rome Cardinal Camillo Ruini told a mass at the city's SanGiovanni church that the Pope, who received the blessing forthe dying after his health suddenly deteriorated overnight,"already sees and touches the Lord. He is already united withour sole Saviour."
Catholics flocked to churches to light candles and pray forthe Polish churchman who became Pope in 1978 and revitalisedthe papacy. Groups of faithful gathered in the Vatican's vastSt. Peter's Square, some gazing up at the papal apartments.
CARDINALS SUMMONED
Cardinals were summoned to the Pope's bedside to say theirfarewells in person.
Navarro-Valls earlier on Friday fought back tears when hetold reporters the Pontiff had celebrated Mass from his bed asdawn broke.
After weeks of worsening health, the Pope developed a highfever on Thursday caused by a urinary infection.
Poles clung to the hope their beloved countryman and moralauthority would step back from the brink of death.
"I came to pray for the Pope," said Maria Danecka, one ofhundreds who crowded in and around the basilica in Wadowice, asouthern city where Karol Wojtyla was born in 1920. Many ofthem wept.
"If he were to leave us, we won't have anybody to show usthe way, to help us understand the world."
Churches in the capital Warsaw and the southern city ofKrakow where Wojtyla was archbishop filled with worshippers.
The Pope told aides he did not want to return to hospital,where he spent several weeks before Easter after breathingtrouble.
POPE "SERENE"
"The fact he has not gone back (shows) he is serenelycarrying the cross and ready to give up and to say 'It isfinished'," said his former private secretary, Irish bishopJohn Magee.
Recent images of a gaunt, pained John Paul, his bodyravaged by Parkinson's disease and arthritis, contrast starklywith the sprightly Wojtyla who strode onto the world stage onOct. 16, 1978, and traveled the globe tirelessly to preach theGospels.
The Pope came close to death before when a Turkish gunmanshot him during a general audience in St. Peter's Square in1981. He believes divine intervention saved him from death.
After a pope dies, cardinals from around the world arecalled to Rome to chose a successor at a conclave which startsin the Vatican's Sistine Chapel 15 to 20 days after the death.
There is no favorite candidate to take over as head of theChurch, and Wojtyla himself was seen as an outsider before hewas elected.
Some churchmen believe the developing world should providethe next pope as that is where the religion is most vibrant.
Catholics across Africa, the Church's fastest-growingregion, drew strength from the Pope's endurance amid their ownstruggle for survival on the world's poorest continent.
"It is very difficult for him as a leader to go throughthis. Yet he has not given up and this gives us courage to bearour own burdens," said Eleanora Kazadi, 40, a bookseller at apacked Mass in Kenya's capital Nairobi.
"We are all very sad about his failing health," saidPresident Gloria Macapagal Arroyo in the Philippines, wherefour out of five people are Catholics.
SOMBRE ITALY
Underscoring the somber mood, Italian political partieshalted campaigning for regional elections this weekend andPrime Minister Silvio Berlusconi canceled all appointments.
The Pope has grown steadily weaker over the past decade. Hehas been seriously ill for most of the past two months andfailed to recover from recent throat surgery aimed at helpinghim breathe.
He has been unable to speak in public since he lefthospital on March 13, with a tube to help him breathe in hiswindpipe.
Historians say one of his legacies will remain his role inthe fall of communism in Europe in 1989.
His orthodox line on many Church teachings has won favoramong poor-country Catholics but criticism from liberalbelievers in developed countries for his proclamations againstcontraception, abortion, married priests and women clergy.
(Additional reporting by Phil Stewart in Vatican City,Wojciech Zurawski in Krakow, Tom Ashby in Lagos, Paul Hoskinsin Dublin) |
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Karol Wojtyla
Karol Wojtyla was born on 18 May 1920 in Wadowice, Poland.
When he was elected Pope on 16 October 1978, Karol Wojtyla, took the name Pope John Paul II and became the first Slavic pontiff.
The future Pope's mother died when he was a young boy, and Karol Wojtyla became close to his father, a retired army lieutenant.
In 1938 Karol Wojtyla and his father moved to Krakow and Karol studied Polish language and lierature at the Jagiellonian University.
When the Nazis occupied Poland in September 1939 they closed down the University, but Wojtyla and others continued their studies in hiding.
The future Pope worked as a labourer in a quarry in 1940, and, in 1941, he worked in a factory, but after his father's death in 1942 Wojtyla started studying theology in secret.
After the Russian liberation of Poland in early 1945, Wojtyla returned to study openly at University and after graduating with distinction, he was ordained a priest on 1 November 1946.
Wojtyla rose through the ranks of Catholic clergy to become Archbishop of Krakow on 30 December 1963. He became a cardinal on 26 June 1967.
The inauguration of his ministry as Pope John Paul II took place on 21 October 1978. He was elected, reportedly, after the eighth ballot.
In stark contrast to his predecessor, Pope John Paul, who died after only 33 days in office, Pope John Paul II, in spite of various medical problems, is one of longest reigning Popes in history. Only two other popes - three including St Peter - have reigned longer than Wojtyla.
Because of Pope John Paul II's longevity, of the 118 cardinals that can vote on his successor, John Paul had appointed 115 of them.
More significant is the extraordinary number of saints that Pope John Paul II has created. In 1988 the Vatican estimated that 285 saints had been proclaimed by all of John Paul II's 263 predecessors combined, whereas he, by himself, since becoming pope has proclaimed 482 saints and set in motion another 1,338 people by beatifying them.
Pope John Paul II was the subject of a failed assassination attempt when on 13 May 1981 he was shot and seriously wounded by a Mehmet al-Agca, a Turkish fanatic, in St Peter's Square.
The Pope said of his attacker:
"In the context of Christmas and the Holy Year of Redemption, I was able to meet with the person that you all know by name, Ali Agca, who in the year 1981 on 13 May made an attempt on my life.
"But Providence took things in its own hands, in what I would call an extraordinary way, so that today I was able to meet my assailant and repeat to him the pardon I gave him immediately."
He is famous for having travelled widely, visiting over 100 countries, and trying to be close to the people. On the other hand he has pursued a 'conservative' agenda in his speeches about divorce, abortion, and homosexual unions. Many eminent theologians have had their license to teach withdrawn, after publishing 'unacceptable views' on subjects like papal infallibility and contraception.
Under Pope John Paul II's leadership the Catholic Church has taken a more active role in world affairs. In 1990 he established diplomatic relations for the first time with the Soviet Union, and in 1993 he recognized the State of Israel.
An interesting quote from Pope John Paul II is:
"Science can purify religion from error and superstition. Religion can purify science from idolatry and false absolutes." (1987)
p.s. Ova e malku postaro, He is the longest serving pope in the history of the Cathollic church. |
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Papin hod ka smrti
Papa Jovan Pavle Drugi odlucio je da umre u Vatikanu. U sobama gde je proveo poslednjih 26 i po godina zivota, stolujuci na tronu svetog Petra. Ironijom sudbine, glasine o njegovoj poslednjoj zivotnoj borbi nisu odmah lansirane preko novinskih agencija, kao sto je to bio slucaj u poslednjih 10 godina, a pogotovo u prethodna dva meseca. U cetvrtak vece, glasine o naglom pogorsanju zdravstvene slike pape Vojtile, kruzile su gotovo cetiri sata pre nego sto su lansirane u etar. Da je situacija ozbiljna, bilo je jasno iz saopstenja portparola Vatikana Hoakina Navara Valsa.
Bez uobicajenih fraza i stereotipnih, ispraznih, zvanicnih komunikacija, na kakve je navikao novinare, u svom dvodecenijskom radu, clan „Opus Deja” Vals, je naveo, „papino stanje je veoma tesko”.
Suze na licu hladnog i nepristupacnog portparola Vatikana, na konferenciji za novinare, kao i najavljeni dolazak kardinala sa svih meridijana planete, vise su nego jasan znak da je Vojtila stigao na kraj svog zemaljskog zivota.
Vikario Rimske Kurije kardinal Kamilo Ruini, ciji ce zadatak biti da objavi vest o smrti pape Jovana Pavla Drugog, po izlasku iz odaja rimokatolickog svetog oca je de fakto priznao neminovono: „Papa je potpuno prepusten Bozijoj volji”. Tako je potvrdio indirektno „predaju” Vojtile.
Prvi papa neitalijanskog porekla posle vise od cetiri i po veka, je odlucio da ne ide ponovo u polikliniku Demeli, rizikujuci da izdahne van zidina Vatikana. I njemu, kao i njegovim doktorima, bilo je jasno da insistiranje na novim operacijama i medicinskim tretmanima, vise nema svrhe. Povisena temperatura i pad pritiska bili su kobni za poglavara rimokatolicke crkve, vec dobro uzdrmanog dugogodisnjim bolestima, kao sto je Parkinsonova, laringospazam. Anesteziolog Korado Mani, koji prati papino zdravlje jos od atentata Ali Agdze iz 1981. godine, objasnio je da terapija sa antibioticima nije dala zeljene rezultate i da papa polako umire.
2005. godina je, inace, pocela lose za Vojtilu. Vec prvog februara je morao da bude hospitalizovan u poliklinici „Demeli” u Rimu, zbog laringospazma, prouzrokovanog gripom. Samo sto se malo oporavio i vratio u Vatikan, morao je da se ponovo vrati u bolnicu, 24. februara, gde je ostao 18 dana. U meduvremenu je ostao bez glasa i jedini preostali nacin za komuniciranje koji mu je preostao bili su gestovi. Bas kao sto se dogodilo u prosli utorak. Tada je protiv striktnog naredenja lekara, buduci da je cuo skandiranje njegovog imena na Trgu svetog Petra, odlucio da se pojavi na prozoru i pozdravi okupljene vernike. Kao da je znao da je to bilo njegovo poslednje obracanje sa svog prozora na drugom spratu vatikanske palate, Vojtila je pokusao i da progovori ali nije u tome uspeo. Posle dva minuta bezuspesnih pokusaja predao se. Tokom celog dana visoki predstavnici Rimokatolicke crkve su uz priznavanje gotovo beznadezne zdravstvene situacije, istovremeno naglasavali da je papa svestan, da mu je um bistar i da spremno ocekuje poziv Boga. Razlog za takvo insistiranje lezi u cinjenici da po kanonskom pravu, papa koji nije svestan ne moze da obavlja funkciju i moralo bi u tom slucaju da se odmah prede na izbor novog pape.
S obzirom na to da je Vojtila vise puta ponavljao da je njegov zivot u rukama Isusa Hrista, demantujuci tako glasine o njegovoj ostavci, njegovi najblizi saradnici su odlucili da postuju njegovu zelju i ne stave ga u drustvo sa Selestinom Petim, jedinim papom, u skoro dve hiljade godina dugoj istoriji Crkve, koji je abdikovao.
SOBA ZA PLAKANJE
SMRT pape konstatuje tzv. karmelenog Rimske kurije, posle cega vikar Kurije, tu funkciju obavlja kardinal Kamilo Ruini, zvanicno objavljuje vest o smrti poglavara Rimokatolicke crkve koji je ujedno i biskup Rimske kurije. Po objavljivanju vesti sledi devet dana zalosti, ili “Novendijali”. Zatim, na 15. dan od smrti pape, pocinje “Sveti savet”, odnosno Konklava.
U sikstinskoj kapeli se okupljaju tzv. kardinali biraci ili “porporati”, nazvani tako zbog crvene boje njihove odece. Maksimalan broj kardinala biraca je 120, trenutno ih je 118. Interesantno je da su u Konklavi samo dvojica kardinala medu onima koji su 16. oktobra 1978. godine izabrali papu.
Jedan od njih je kardinal Racinger, sekretar za doktrinu vere. “Porporati” biraju novog papu sa dvotrecinskom vecinom. Glasa se svaki dan po cetiri puta, dva puta pre podne i dva puta popodne. S tim da se prvi dan glasa samo jednom u jutarnjim casovima.
Ako novi papa ne bude izabran ni posle 24 glasanja, kardinali su duzni da nadu zajednicko resenje kako da izaberu novog naslednika na tronu svetog Petra. Kada novi papa bude izabran, njemu se priblizava kardinal dekan, koji ga pita da li prihvata da preuzmem Pontifikat. Po dobijanju pozitivnog odgovora, novi papa prima prvo cestitke od svih prisutnih kardinala, posle cega ide u tzv. Sobu za plakanje, gde daje sebi oduska i oblaci odoru “svetog oca”, a na vrhu Vatikana kroz odzak izlazi beli dim, sto znaci da je novi papa izabran. Nakon toga novi poglavar Rimokatolicke crkve se obraca vernicima sa prozora iznad Trga svetog Petra. |
| slasa |
neka crkne koj go sisa ... poblisku e sega do boga ... |
| dada Sani |
Denes na CNN recisi nema nisto drugo osven "Pope in grave condition". Spored ona sto go kazuvaat vo momentov, papata e se uste ziv...
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Pope John Paul II dies at the age of 84 (1920~2005)
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VATICAN CITY -- Pope John Paul II, the Polish pontiff who led the Roman Catholic Church for more than a quarter century and became history's most-traveled pope, died today in his Vatican apartment. He was 84.
"The angels welcome you," Vatican TV said after the announcement came from papal spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls.
"The Holy Father, John Paul II, died at 9.37 p.m. in his private apartment. All procedures foreseen in the Apostolic Constitution `Universi Dominici Gregis,' promulgated by John Paul II on Feb. 22, 1996, have been activated," his statement said.
It was distributed to journalists via e-mail. John Paul expired as cardinals were leading some 70,000 people at St. Peter's Square in prayers for him in his "last journey."
Bells tolled at the Vatican and across Rome, and Vatican, Italian and European Union flags were being lowered to half-staff across the capital. |
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neka crkne koj go sisa ... poblisku e sega do boga ...
Сласа бе[:D][:D][:D] |
| SirAndReW |
Ahah hah ahaha, izvinete ama mora da se nasmeam
Patem toj nikogas nema da bide mrtov za nekogo .
Sega ke bide sega interesno koj ke go nasledi negovoto mesto . |
| wolf_pack |
Mozhda zatoa vremeto beshe uzhas vo Juzhno Ontario vchera...#10;#10;Neka mu e leka zemjata. |
| Homer MakeDonski |
го истргнал папата папокот свој
за душата му покој и опрост за гревоите му
остананува само светата му столица
со прашањето кој ќе се прилепи за неа ?
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Иоанн Павел II скончался от септического шока
Папа Иоанн Павел II скончался (pocinal) от септического шока и сердечно-сосудистого коллапса, говорится в свидетельстве о смерти, содержание которого было распространено в воскресенье Ватиканом.
Свидетельство подписано доктором Ренато Буццонетти, главой Дирекции здравоохранения и гигиены Государства Ватикан, передает РИА «Новости».
Понтифик скончался от «сепитческого шока и необратимого сердечно-сосудистого коллапса» (криза), говорится в свидетельстве о смерти.
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| slasa |
nemozam da vi se nacudam . sto ima ovoj peder napraveno za covestvoto kako pove nisto .. pa sto pcojsa gavolot , i sega ke piseme za nego ...
dodeka deca umitret po svetot za parce lebce toj jadese so zlarni klajci i slugi ... ??? |
| AaaAa |
I shto toa naparavil--- pricinata zashto ne placat samo katolicite i snaznite vernici e zatoa shto ovoj papa i toa kako napravi mnogu povekje nego bilo koj predhodno (ne velam pozitivno ili negativno samo mnogu). Nit sum religiozna, nit sum privrzanik na bilo koj nacin so katolickite morali i tradicionalnosti(cak shto vise sum strogo protiv mnogu od niv) fakt e deka ovoj papa i pokraj uzasno rigoroznoto priklonuvanje kon katolickiot konzervatizam, podadeka raka podaleku, za prv pat se obdie da gi zblizi lugjeto od site veri, go stavi humanoto pred katolickoto na mapa za mnogu. Papa koj se pokloni i pred zidot vo Izrael, prv papa koj vleze vo dzamija, prv papa koj dojde u sred saraevo i rwanda u sred vojni, papa koj na masa sedese so Bono i diskutirashe third world debt, papa koj na masa ja stavi sidata kako bolest, i eden milion drugi tabu temi. Papa koj uzasno se trudese da mu podade raka na Aleksej II i da mu stavi kraj na razgranokot so pravoslavcite.
Jas ne se soglasuvav so mnogu negovi postapki i stavovi, megjutoa nemoze da se pljuka i pcova po negovite dobri nameri. Ne za dzabe tolku vnimanie cel svet obrna na negovata smrt.
Jadel od zlatni tanjiri i viluski... i shto treba toa da znaci? jade i gospodin gospodin koj sea e vo Makedonija, jade i Aleksej II, jadat site religiozni funkcioneri. Daj da ne bideme hipokriticni nie samite. Toa voopsto ne e prasanje, i ne e prasanje deka religijata i nejzinite lideri se politika (naprotiv mene on mi bese pojke politicar nego duhoven vodac), megjutoa, koga nekoj e tolku vlijatelen, a Paul John i te kako bese vlijatelen ima vrska shto covek e. I mozda ne go sakam za negovite abortion stands, i negovite anti-humani tradicionalisticki vodenja na katolickata crkva, ama toa e katolickata crkva i protiv toa nemoze da se ide. Ama nemozam a da kazam deka toj ne doprinesol vo formiranje na istorijata na ovoj vek-doprinese.
Idninata ke sudi kolku dobro ili kolku loso, ama ne ja gledam zbunetosta zashto nekoj otvoril vakov topik. Zatoa shto e istoriska stvar koja ke vlijae na neshto-toa ne znaci deka nekoj place i se potresuva. Aj ke mizime, nie ne vidovme deka papata umrel:)
NIt placev, nit placam, ama deka go gledam ko istoriski moment go gledam. Koj ke go nasledi e bitno, posto toj ke bide glavata na 1 bilion katolici.
Hrvatite se potresuvale, bash denes se smeev na temata so edna drugarka koga pominavme pred hrvatska ambasada, nejziniot komentar bese "Vidi hrvate spustili zastavu josh malo pa da popuca"- na toa kolku nisko bese spusteno znameto na jarbolot u znak zal. I da smesno e kako od tito worship se ojde na papa worship, ama well...isto e so tepackite pred soboren hram u skopje i velicenjeto na pravoslavjeto koe se sluci kaj nas... daj da ne se zavaravame:)
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Our Holy father has returned to the house of the Father, Servous Servorum Dei |
| concrete |
Nesto drugo sakam da spomnam.
Mislam deka blagodarenie na televizijata i ostanatoto pomladite imaat prilika da vidat sto e toa KULT NA LICNOSTA i soodvetnata MASOVNA HISTERIJA!!!!!
A patem , onie sto ne go osetile toa pa neznaat za sto zboruvam, Tito za Yugoslovenite na kupce, napravil edno 1000 pati poveke od site papi do den denesen, za ostatokot na svetot....
A sto ti e narod , brzo zaborava.
Ama kako sto veli eden moj drugar, covestvoto ne bi postoelo bez toa,...... koja zena bi rodila vtoro...treto dete, ako brzo ne gi zaborava porodilnite bolki????
A najnormalno e deka Gospod prvo sebe brada si napravil , pa posle na drugite!!!!! |
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Fakt e deka za vreme na negovoto papuvanje, katolicite vo golem broj prestanaa da odat vo crkva. Isto taka, katolickata crkva belezi golem porast na nejzinata finansiskata mokj i potpolen krah na nejzinite "socijalni programi".
Ako go sumirame negovoto deluvanje - toj pred se "pro-Zapaden antikomunist" so izrazito anti-ruski tendencii. Toj Papa teritorijata na Balkanot povtorno ja klasificira kako "terra misionaris" znaci oblast za pojacano misionersko deluvanje.
No mene sekogas mi se vrti vo glava kako NIE da profitirame od nesto vkl. i katolickata crkva. Shodno prasanjeto e dali vidovme korist od Jovan Pavle II? Indirektno da, iako realno "ne", koe e podobro od nekoe drugo ne. |
| slasa |
quote:
Originally posted by Strelec
slasa i melpomena... malku me razocaravte...:(
Onoj shto ne misli deka treba da go zhali Papata, sekako deka ne mora da go pravi toa... I dotuka e vo red... No chovek (bez ogled dali bil Papa ili ne) shto shtotuku umrel da se narekuva 'gjavol' i 'peder' (ili da se poddrzuva nekoj shto upotrebil takvi zborovi za shtotuku pochinatiot), voopshto ne e nitu vkusno, nitu korektno!:(
nemoj da biders iznenaden ke napisam Aco povejke koga ke imma malce pojke vreme |
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Concrete: Martin Luter King (mislam bese) rekol deka coveckoto sekjavanje trae otprilika edna (1) nedela. |
| AaaAa |
quote:
Originally posted by Misirkov
Concrete: Martin Luter King (mislam bese) rekol deka coveckoto sekjavanje trae otprilika edna (1) nedela.
papata umre???[:D] |
| Inkognito |
Misirkov ... sme imale kakov takov profit od Jovan Pavle II
Redovno gi primashe delegaciite po povod Kiril i Metodi ...
Vera Antich snoshti na vestite od A1 reche deka papata i se obrakjal na Makedonski jazik koga bila vo Vatikan.
Papata isto taka ja poddrzhuvashe aftokefalnosta na makedonskata crkva.
Koga site bi ne poddrzhuvale kako nego, bi bilo odlichno za nas.
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| Inkognito |
Ah da, zaboraviv .. se izvinuvam ..
Bog da go prosti .. |
| concrete |
quote:
Originally posted by AaaAa
quote:
Originally posted by Misirkov
Concrete: Martin Luter King (mislam bese) rekol deka coveckoto sekjavanje trae otprilika edna (1) nedela.
papata umre???[:D]
Papa, koj Papa????? |
| slasa |
pa i jas se prasvam koj papa .. a ako e nekoj da se odade pocit togas e majkata teresa koja cel svoj zivot go posveti na covecanstvoto , a ovoj vol od polska se servirano na zlatni cinii , toj za zalenje , NE ke gori vo pekolot :-) |
| OooOo |
Македонскиот државен и црковен врв секоја година имаше можност да биде примен од светиот отец
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"Ве разбирам, слободно говорете македонски, но само малку побавно", оваа реченица папата Јован Павле Втори често ја изговараше кога ги примаше претставниците на државниот врв на Република Македонија и на Македонската православна црква. Понекогаш, во знак на наклонетост, се случуваше и да изговори по некој македонски збор. Ги знаеше без малку сите словенски јазици, и тоа не му паѓаше тешко. Сакаше да ја покаже својата отвореност спрема луѓето, без оглед на различностите. А, аудиенциите на претставниците на македонската држава кај светиот отец станаа традиција од 1992 година кога Киро Глигоров, првиот претседател на самостојна Република Македонија, со сите почести беше примен во папската Библиотека во Светиот стол. Манифестацијата "Македонија во чест на свети Кирил", која над три децении се одржува во Рим, каде што во црквата "Сан Клементе" со достоинство на папа бил погребан големиот словенски просветител, оттогаш стана одлична можност за редовни, годишни средби со светиот отец. Без оглед на исклучително згуснатите обврски и секојдневни аудиенции, но и на сериозно нарушеното здравје, папата Јован Павле Втори, секој мај, во периодот на чествувањето на светите браќа кога наша делагација престојува во Рим, наоѓаше време за средба со македонскиот државен и црковен врв.
Како на Словен по потекло, проблемите со кои се соочува Република Македонија на светиот отец му беа познати и блиски, и кон нашата држава се однесуваше со големо внимание и почит. Иако Ватикан во комуникацијата со нас сў уште ја користи референцата ФИРОМ, папата Јован Павле Втори не ја употреби на ниту една средба со претставниците на државата или Црквата. Така беше и во 2003 година, кога тогашниот премиер Бранко Црвенковски со многубројна државна и црковна делегација беше примен од поглаварот на Католичката црква. Во своето кусо обраќање, папата Јован Павле Втори рече: "Македонија е библиска земја, а Скопје, родниот град на Мајка Тереза, е симболот на хуманоста. Во моите молитви постојано е вашата земја. Јас Ј посакувам да зајакне во определбите за единство и солидарност. За време на својот земен живот, светите браќа Кирил и Методиј беа мостови на поврзување на Исток и Запад. Преку нивниот пример и вредностите што ги ширеа, тие ги споија различните култури и традиции и оставија богато наследство за човештвото. Оваа нивна милосрдност и праведност станува опиплива реалност во секој дел од светот". Обраќајќи му се на Црвенковски, кој од македонските државници имал најголем број средби со светиот отец, Јован Павле Втори порача: "Исто како и Кирил и Методиј, се надевам дека бескомпромисно ќе се залагате за помирување, мирољубива коегзистенција и почитување на достоинството на целата нација. Оваа манифестација, исто така, е сведоштвото за добрите врски меѓу вашата нација и Ватикан".
И покрај тоа што добро му беа познати оспорувањата на името и на статусот на Македонската православна црква и евентуалните реакции од грчкиот блок цркви, светиот отец секоја година го примаше и црковниот врв. Никогаш не го доведе во прашање постоењето на МПЦ како самостојна црква, а за наклонетоста кон нашата црква и за добрите релации со Ватикан најдобро говори фактот што дел од високиот клир на МПЦ е школуван на Папскиот универзитет во Рим, а некои од македонските владици биле и нивни стипендисти.
Запаметена ќе остане енцикликата на папата Јован Павле Втори за светите браќа Кирил и Методиј спрема кои се однесува со посебен пиетет кога заедно со свети Бенедикт ги прогласи за компатрони. Но, она што можеше, а не се случи, без друго е нереализираната посета на светиот отец на Република Македонија. Без оглед што во државата е доминантно православното население, а бројот на католиците иако расте, сепак, е мал, папата Јован Павле Втори имаше желба и, како што тврдат, оние кои често комуницираа со него, беше подготвен, кога ги посетуваше земјите од нашето соседство, макар и на неколку часа да го посети Охрид како православно светилиште. Сепак, не се случи тоа. Државниот врв на Македонија, при секоја аудиенција, на светиот отец усно му ја искажуваше пораката да ја посети нашата држава, папата начелно ги прифаќаше поканите, но за да се реализира посетата Светиот стол очекуваше и официјална писмена покана од државата. Таа од невнимание или небрежност изостана, и Република Македонија, за жал, остана една од ретките земји кон која папата Јован Павле Втори покажуваше наклонетост, а не ја посети. |
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Погребан папата Јован Павле Втори
Папата Јован Павле Втори попладнево е погребан во криптата на базиликата Свети Петар во Рим. Неговото тело сместено во 3 ковчези е положено во гробница што се наоѓа близу до местото каде што се верува дека е погребан Свети Петар.
На погребната миса што ја предводеше кардиналот Џозеф Рајцингер присуствуваа околу еден милион луѓе, како и светската политичка и верска елита.
На неколку пати во текот на церемонијата присутните со силни аплаузи повикуваа Јован Павле Втори веднаш да биде прогласен за светец.
Меѓу 200-те државници и верски лидери беа генералниот секретар на ОН Кофи Анан, американскиот претседател Џорџ Буш, францускиот претседател Ширак, премиерите на Британија и Германија, Блер и Шредер.
Преку директен телевизиски пренос, погребот на папата го следеа повеќе стотици милиони луѓе од целиот свет. Само во Краков преку џиновски видео бимови погребната церемонија ја следеа околу милион луѓе.
Od nashite predstavnici nikoj ne e ni spomnat ... |
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Am na vesti sigurno gi dale, nema shto nasite da gi spomenuvaat, se znae koj ke se isprci prv. VO NYTimes na listata na gosti go ima, sekako Branko. |
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На ЦНН и ББЦ (уствари истиот броадкаст беше низ цел свет) не видов ниту еден од балканциве освен Стипе Месиќ. Бил Клинтон беше, а не сум сигурен за Џорџ Буш постариот, мислам дека го видов. |
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Nesto drugo simptomaticno,avionot na Branko na vrat na nos se spustal na nekoj pomosen aerodrom juzno od Rim.
Gi somnalo Italijanskoto VV na najava na bomba vo avionot. Se prepotil siromaviot sigurno.
More ic ne e za zezanje, da ne si im bil vo kozata togas.....( ako posadata im kazala zosto sletuvaat!!!) |
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Sega prochitav ... vikaat deka nacist bil fraerov na vremeto ... ima neshto vistina vo ova? |
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Eve shto velat ovie...podolu vo BOlD
TRAUNSTEIN, Germany (AP) -- Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger alienated some Roman Catholics in Germany with his zeal enforcing church orthodoxy. But in the conservative Alpine foothills of Bavaria where he grew up, he remains a favorite son who many think will make a good pope.
Ratzinger, a rigorously conservative guardian of doctrinal orthodoxy who turned 78 on Saturday and was chosen the Catholic Church's 265th pontiff Tuesday, went into the Vatican conclave a leading candidate to succeed Pope John Paul II.
"Only someone who knows tradition is able to shape the future," said the Rev. Thomas Frauenlob, who heads the seminary in Traunstein where Ratzinger studied and regularly returns to visit.
But opinion about him remains deeply divided in Germany, a sharp contrast to John Paul, who was revered in his native Poland. A recent poll for Der Spiegel news weekly said Germans opposed to Ratzinger becoming pope outnumbered supporters 36 percent to 29 percent, with 17 percent having no preference. The poll of 1,000 people, taken April 5-7, gave no margin of error.
Many blame Ratzinger for decrees from Rome barring Catholic priests from counseling pregnant teens on their options and blocking German Catholics from sharing communion with their Lutheran brethren at a joint gathering in 2003.
Ratzinger has clashed with prominent theologians at home, most notably the liberal Hans Kueng, who helped him get a teaching post at the University of Tuebingen in the 1960s. The cardinal later publicly criticized Kueng, whose license to teach theology was revoked by the Vatican in 1979.
He has also sparred openly in articles with fellow German Cardinal Walter Kasper, a moderate who has urged less centralized church governance and is considered a dark horse papal candidate.
"He has hurt many people and far overstepped his boundaries in Germany," said Christian Wiesner, spokesman for the pro-reform Wir Sind Kirche, or We Are Church movement.
Ratzinger himself, in his autobiography, sensed he was out of step with his fellow Germans as early as the 1960s, when he was a young assistant at the Second Vatican Council in Rome.
Returning to Germany between sessions, "I found the mood in the church and among theologians to be agitated," he wrote. "More and more there was the impression that nothing stood fast in the church, that everything was up for revision."
Ratzinger left Tuebingen during student protests in the late 1960s and moved to the more conservative University of Regensburg in his home state of Bavaria.
Catholics and Protestants each account for about 34 percent of the German population, but Bavaria is one of the more heavily Catholic areas.
"What Wadowice was for John Paul, Bavaria is for Ratzinger," said Frauenlob, referring to John Paul II's hometown in southern Poland. "He has very deep roots here, it's his home."
The cardinal was born in Marktl Am Inn, but his father, a policeman, moved frequently and the family left when he was 2.
He and his older brother, Georg -- former director of the renowned Regensburger Domspatzen boys choir -- return annually to the peaceful halls of St. Michael's Seminary to stay in the elegant, but sparsely furnished bishop's apartment next to the church.
An accomplished pianist who loves Mozart, Ratzinger enjoys playing the grand piano in the seminary's main hall, and walking through downtown Traunstein greeting people, Frauenlob said.
Traunstein was also where Ratzinger went through the harrowing years of Nazi rule and World War II.
In his memoirs, Ratzinger wrote that he was enrolled in the Nazi youth movement against his will when he was 14 in 1941, when membership was compulsory. He said he was soon let out because of his studies for the priesthood.
Two years later he was drafted into a Nazi anti-aircraft unit as a helper, a common taks for teenage boys too young to be soldiers. A year later he was released, only to be sent to the Austrian-Hungarian border to construct tank barriers.
He deserted the Germany army in May 1945 and returned to Traunstein -- a risky move, since deserters were shot on the spot if caught, or publicly hanged as examples to others.
When he arrived home, U.S. soldiers took him prisoner and held him in a POW camp for several weeks. Upon his release, he re-entered the seminary.
Ratzinger was ordained, along with his brother, in 1951. He then spent several years teaching theology. In 1977, he was appointed bishop of Munich and elevated to cardinal three months later by Pope Paul VI.
Pope John Paul II named him leader of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in 1981, where he was responsible for enforcing Catholic orthodoxy and was one of the key men in the drive to shore up the faith of the world's Roman Catholics.
Ratzinger speaks several languages, among them Italian and English, as well as his native language German.
Frauenlob calls him a subtle thinker with a deep understanding of Catholic tradition and a personal touch he's not often given credit for.
He cites the example of the seminary's 2003 confirmation service where no bishop was available. Ratzinger swiftly agreed to come, confirming the 14 boys, then taking time to speak personally to each one after the ceremony.
"I find it hurtful to see him described as a hard-liner," Frauenlob said. "People are too quick to say that, it's not an accurate reflection of his personality."
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niz edna od ovie vesti [url="http://news.google.ca/news?hl=en&lr=&tab=wn&ie=UTF-8&q=benedict+nazi&btnG=Search+News"]tuka[/url] |
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Aha, da de, neshto ko nasive patrioti koi i sluzea na YU i Tito protiv svoja volja :) |
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Нострадамус имал предвидено дека последниот папа ќе биде овој сегашниов. (Името започнувало на Р, не ми текнува, било доста слично со предвидувањето за Германскиот фирер Хитлер, тој го протолкувал како Хетлер) и дека после Јован Павле Втори ќе има само уште еден кој ќе се вика (Започнува на Р) и дека тој ќе биде последниот папа на црквата, после тоа црквата ќе се распаднела. Баш ме интересира како ќе заврши ова. |
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sapeski zakon si [:D] |
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White smoke, bells signal selection of new pope
VATICAN CITY (CNN) -- White smoke rose from a Sistine Chapel chimney and bells rang Tuesday, signaling the selection of a new pope.
Thousands of people in St. Peter's Square clapped and waved flags as the smoke billowed over Vatican City.
Suspense built as the throng waited for the symbolic ringing of bells, at which point the crowd broke into a roar of jubilation.
The 115 cardinals' morning ballots were burned at about 11:50 a.m. (5:50 a.m. EDT).
After each pair of votes, the ballots were burned in a stove at the Sistine Chapel, with the white smoke in the evening announcing to observers outside that a pope has been elected.
Black smoke had come from the chimney after the two morning votes.
Chemicals are added to the ballots to turn the smoke white or black.
The cardinals taking part in the conclave to elect a successor to Pope John Paul II began their first full day of voting after holding Mass in their living quarters at 7:30 a.m.
Locked away in the Sistine Chapel, the cardinals let it be known that no candidate won their first vote Monday evening, hours after a historic religious ceremony watched around the world.
As black smoke billowed Monday from a chimney atop the Sistine Chapel, the crowd of thousands outside cheered. (Full story)
"It was very exciting," said Richard Wall, an American in the crowd. "We had some drama tonight."
At first, the smoke's color appeared gray, and some thought it may have been white. But it quickly turned black. Also, John Paul II had decreed that white smoke be accompanied by the ringing of bells, to avoid a repeat of the confusion after his election in 1978.
Monday evening's smoke was emitted shortly after 8 p.m., about 2 1/2 hours after the chapel's doors were closed, marking the beginning of the conclave.
The closing of those large wooden doors ended an hour-long ritual that the Vatican televised live for the first time ever.
Oath of secrecy
Clad in crimson robes, shoulder capes and hats, the 115 cardinals from 52 countries walked from the Hall of Blessings into the Sistine Chapel as "The Litany of Saints" was sung.
Once the cardinals were inside, a choir and the cardinals themselves sang the invocation of the Holy Spirit, "Veni, Creator Spiritus."
Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, dean of the College of Cardinals and considered a leading candidate for pope, recited a prayer and a message that included these words: "After having celebrated the divine mysteries, we now enter into conclave to elect the Roman pontiff, the whole church united with us in prayer."
Ratzinger led the group in an oath of secrecy, and each cardinal individually stepped up to a Book of Gospels, placed his hand on it and took another similar oath.
The cardinals also vowed to follow the rules listed by Pope John Paul II in the "Apostolic Constitution Universi Dominici Gregis," which laid out specific steps for the electoral process, including seclusion "in suitable places" within the Vatican and the use of secret ballots.
At the end, the master of the Pontifical Liturgical Celebration said "extra omnes" -- meaning "everyone out" -- signaling those not participating in the conclave to leave the Sistine Chapel. He then closed the doors, and the televised broadcast came to an end.
The cardinals then had a private meditation and one of them gave a speech before the ballots were handed out.
If the Vatican's plans succeed, there will be no indication of how the deliberations proceed, or who may be surfacing as leading "papabile," or candidates, before a new pontiff is selected.
The term conclave means "with a key" -- meaning the process takes place behind lock and key.
To win, a candidate needs two-thirds of the votes. If three days pass with no pope chosen, the cardinals will take a day of reflection and prayer before resuming balloting. And, under rules established by John Paul II, if no one has the required two-thirds majority after about 12 days, the cardinals can switch to a simple majority.
Speculation rife
There has been a great deal of speculation about who may be chosen to succeed John Paul II, who died April 2 at the age of 84, but cardinals have been mum.
Some taking part in the conclave said they are looking for a leader who presents a hopeful vision, who can "generate some dynamism and some optimism within Catholicism," CNN Vatican analyst John Allen said.
The first clues to the process of finding a successor were sought during the homily or sermon delivered by Ratzinger at Monday's public Mass.
"Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the church, is often labeled today as a fundamentalism," Ratzinger said.
Allen said Ratzinger delivered a "very blunt" message for the church to "stay true to itself."
That was a strong indication that Ratzinger, 78, wants a "traditionalist" elected the next pope, Allen said.
John Paul was widely credited with extending the reach of the papacy. He spoke more than a dozen languages and set an unprecedented pattern of pastoral travel, drawing huge crowds all over the world.
He was also strictly traditional on issues of sexuality and the role of women in the church, which won him support among some Catholics but alienated others. Similar disagreement exists over the next pontiff's stances on issues such as birth control, stem cell research and the ordination of female priests.
The conclave will select the man who will be the 265th pontiff, although he will be the 263rd person to hold the post. One man, Benedict IX, served as pontiff three separate times nearly a millennium ago.
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Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger named POPE BENEDICT XVI
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