| Razlikata megu Bulgarite ,Tatarite i dr hordi? |
| nemo |
ponekogas koga gi citam topicite nekade pisuva deka Bugarite se od tatarsko poteklo,koe ne se sovpaga so drugite izvori koi gi citam za azijatskite pleminja, kako na pr Huni, Avari, Tatari, Kumani, Bulgari, Mongoli i dr.
Kakva e razlikata pomegu niv? |
| Jakov |
Äîáðî äå òîà å ïîçíàòî. Ôèíöèòå è Óíãàðöèòå ñå îä äðóãà ãðóïà íà íàðîäè, óãàðî-ôèíñêà ãðóïà ñîíèâ ñå ñëè÷íè ñèòå òèå òàòàðè è òóðêìåíñêè ïëåìèœà. Íèå ñìå ñè èíäîåâðîïñêà ãðóïà íàðîäè. |
| ProMKD |
quote:
Nemo: spored recenicite i iskazot od ovoj post se gleda deka si sqiptar ili nekoj bulgarski "guptin"
garant |
| toni_a |
Toerk Bolgar (tatarski),Tuerk Bulgar nazivot e staro turski i znaci "izmesan turk".
eden del od izmeshanite "pleminja" doaga pod vodachot "Asparuh" na balkanot i ja sozdava denesna "dunavska bugarija".slovenski pleminja(grupi) mu se prikluchuvaat koga negovite bugari go preminuvaat (680god.) dunav.se borat so vizantiskiot car konstantin IV i pobeduvaat.Asparuh umira vo edna borba/vojna 700ili701god.
hunskite i turskite grupi se meshaat so slovenskite grupi,taka da eden do drug pokasno postojat slavjanska pismenost i starotuskiot okrugol(kruzen)kalendar na zivotnite.
nastanuva narodot na dunavskite bugari - "sinite t.e. plavite bugari"(Khoekh Bulkhar/Qoeq Bolqar).nivnata najstara kralska lista vodi direktno kon sinot na Atila (kako negovi potomci) koj se vikal Ernak.
Mokta na Dunavobugarite dostiga svoj vrv pod Khan Krum okolu 811,koga toj od glavata na vizantiskiot car pravi sad za pienje i za malku ke uspeel da go osvoi Konstantinopol.
vo 9 vek "dunavobugarite" preminuvaat kon hristijanstvoto.
-dosta se izmesani
-vo turski istoriski zapisi ima dosta informacii i moze da se zabelezi povrzanost i da se svatat nekoi raboti
vo topikot:"Bulgarian sorry"-makedonska istorija ,eden IYI-jorovelev pisuva za bugarski kalendar koj e najtocen na svetot i cekam da dade informacii od unesko(da vidime dali tazi dupka e dupka),posto i me mrzese da se zanimavam. toa (pretstavkata) IYI sum go zabelezal kaj poveke bugari.toj ima malku porazlicen pristap kon nekoi raboti od drugite bugari.
inace "IYI-iyi" na turski znachi dobro/dobar,na germanski "gut".
sum zabelezal deka nezgodno pristapuvaat kon onie narodi od koi zimale geni,nauka i kultura;isto i kon onie narodi so koi vojuvale na vremeto.
ova mala nasoka od kade mozes da baras informacii. |
| Jakov |
Mislam deka premnogu vnimanie i prostor im se posvetuva na komsiive od Istok, a ne zasluzuvaat. |
| toni_a |
samo uste ova da mu go kazam na "nemo" i tolku.
informiraj se za republika chuvasija vo rusija.tie se smetaat za naslednici na volgabugarite.pisuvaat kirilica od 18vek. vo 18vek poveketo se pravoslavni no se zadrzani i animistichnite religii.nekoi nacionalisti se obiduvaat veke od `90 godini da go vovedat mnogubozieto(na gemanski "Heidentum")so islamski evreiski i staroiranski deluvanja koi se zabelezlivi vo nazivot na bogovite,denovite i verskite rituali. |
| nemo |
quote:
Originally posted by Jakov
Mislam deka premnogu vnimanie i prostor im se posvetuva na komsiive od Istok, a ne zasluzuvaat.
Da taka e, no ne se odnesuva samo na niv,bidejki Ungarija e sozdadena od Hunite i del od Pecenezite nekade vo XII vek kako drzava ili ?a Hunite kako sto e poznato go napagale Rimskoto carstvo od III- IV vek interesno so ungarcite e polovinata se rusi(plavi) polovina crni, a isto se interesni i Fincite kako narod.
od ungarska strana ima deka tie se po poteklo nekoe pleme od Iran/Irak nekade i go sozdale pismoto pred fenikite. |
| nemo |
quote:
Originally posted by Jakov
Mislam deka premnogu vnimanie i prostor im se posvetuva na komsiive od Istok, a ne zasluzuvaat.
Da i jas taka smetam a so toa da im se otvorat po eden topik istorija ili sl na site sosedi i dr koi se zaenteresirani na pr turcite i da ne se mesaat vo site diskusii. |
| toni_a |
a i vizi od 2007 za forumot [:)] |
| Suncho |
abe site na balkana sme umeshani ama vie vo Makedoniajata ste bash naj-chisti; po nekakvi nevidimi patishta bozii meshaneto ne ve e zasegnalo vazi...aj sektir...golemite antichki...gorkite ungarzi i teh gi zafanahte...
Ako shte i baba ti (ne konkretiziram vo sluchajot) da e bila antichka ili chuvashka ova ne me gajle ako taa e tapa, grozna i izkompleksirana.Za tova makedonoija ke si ostane takva - siromashna, etnicheski nestabilna i razdelena shtoto site ste potomzi na "velikite" antichki maketa.
BTW
Tonight I watched a documentary on Macedonia called "Macedonia - prikazka bez kraj" on MSAT. It completely changed my image of the country. Every second person in Mk is obviously albanian....many Mosques...fugly communist buildnings (not that we dont have those either but still...). Skopje is the fffugliest European capital...from what i saw...no historical monuments, with few exceptions - 'Kale' or something like that...The main street 'chershiata' looks like a 18th century Turkish bazar...i saw only gypsy and turks selling crapy staff...
Ohrid and Bitala were the only cities that look descent, you should have picked either for yr capital not Skopje, but I guess ya wanted to be close to yr friends the serbs, well now y'r close to yr friends the Kosovars/Albanians...
I used to think that you have got something after 45 yr in Yugo(it was a rich state after all) but i was wrong...next time some Macedonian starts 'da se fali' that Macedonia is better off than Bulgaria...I could only laugh in his face....hahaha |
| Suncho |
Came on Atichki...kupetesi go komplektot..
U can paticipate in a global genetic research and find yr first ancestors...
http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/
Once and for all you proove to us the 'chuvash' yr direct connection with the Macedons:)
Razlikata megu Bulgarite ,Tatarite i dr hordi? Íåìà ðàçëèêà, âñè÷êèòå ñìå ãå¼! |
| toni_a |
znam deka vistinata ve boli,jasno mi e.
kolku i da se napregas nema da si gi smenis korenite,toa e toa.pa najmalku na forumov!
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| nemo |
quote:
Originally posted by Suncho
abe site na balkana sme umeshani ama vie vo Makedoniajata ste bash naj-chisti; po nekakvi nevidimi patishta bozii meshaneto ne ve e zasegnalo vazi...aj sektir...golemite antichki...gorkite ungarzi i teh gi zafanahte...
Ako shte i baba ti (ne konkretiziram vo sluchajot) da e bila antichka ili chuvashka ova ne me gajle ako taa e tapa, grozna i izkompleksirana.Za tova makedonoija ke si ostane takva - siromashna, etnicheski nestabilna i razdelena shtoto site ste potomzi na "velikite" antichki maketa.
BTW
Tonight I watched a documentary on Macedonia called "Macedonia - prikazka bez kraj" on MSAT. It completely changed my image of the country. Every second person in Mk is obviously albanian....many Mosques...fugly communist buildnings (not that we dont have those either but still...). Skopje is the fffugliest European capital...from what i saw...no historical monuments, with few exceptions - 'Kale' or something like that...The main street 'chershiata' looks like a 18th century Turkish bazar...i saw only gypsy and turks selling crapy staff...
Ohrid and Bitala were the only cities that look descent, you should have picked either for yr capital not Skopje, but I guess ya wanted to be close to yr friends the serbs, well now y'r close to yr friends the Kosovars/Albanians...
I used to think that you have got something after 45 yr in Yugo(it was a rich state after all) but i was wrong...next time some Macedonian starts 'da se fali' that Macedonia is better off than Bulgaria...I could only laugh in his face....hahaha
spored recenicite i iskazot od ovoj post se gleda deka si sqiptar ili nekoj bulgarski "guptin" |
| ZOTE |
ETNOGENETSKI RAZLIKI POMEGCHU MAKEDONCITE I BUGARITE www.makedonskosonce.com/broevis/2000/sonce303/Tekst08.htm
Fakt e deka vistinskite etnichki Bugari {rodnini na Tatarite} i pripagchale na zoltata rasa, dodeka mnoshtvo deneshni ziteli na Bugarija se belokozi {pa duri i rusokosi} lugche. Ova znachi deka deneshnite belokozi ziteli na Bugarija ne se nikakvi "etnichki Bugari" zatoa shto vo sprotivno tie bi pripagchale na zoltata rasa. Deneshnite ziteli na Bugarija glavno se pripadnici na razni narodi {Vlasi,Makedonci,Anti,Trakijci,Kumani,Turci, Romi, i dr.}koi vo odreden period, glavno vo 19 vek i toa pod obilno vlijanie na Rusija go prifatile
turko-mongolskiot etnonim "Bugari" kako sopstveno etnichko ime. Ova znachi deka deneshnata bugarska nacija ne e etnichka tuku poveche politichka da ne kazam veshtachka nacija. |
| toni_a |
"Kiptchak-Bugarski" - Jazici (Stara Severozapadna-Grupa): Chuwashki ; pripagaat na grupata "Turkic languages"
kako alternativni formi isto i „Turktatarski“, „Turk-Tatarski“, „Turkotatarski“, „Turko-Tatarski“, „Turkomongolski“ und „Turko-Mongolski“
Eastern languages of Turkic languages:(megu koi i)proto-bulgar;chuvash,bolgar... |
| nemo |
quote:
Originally posted by ZOTE
ETNOGENETSKI RAZLIKI POMEGCHU MAKEDONCITE I BUGARITE www.makedonskosonce.com/broevis/2000/sonce303/Tekst08.htm
Fakt e deka vistinskite etnichki Bugari {rodnini na Tatarite} i pripagchale na zoltata rasa, dodeka mnoshtvo deneshni ziteli na Bugarija se belokozi {pa duri i rusokosi} lugche. Ova znachi deka deneshnite belokozi ziteli na Bugarija ne se nikakvi "etnichki Bugari" zatoa shto vo sprotivno tie bi pripagchale na zoltata rasa. Deneshnite ziteli na Bugarija glavno se pripadnici na razni narodi {Vlasi,Makedonci,Anti,Trakijci,Kumani,Turci, Romi, i dr.}koi vo odreden period, glavno vo 19 vek i toa pod obilno vlijanie na Rusija go prifatile
turko-mongolskiot etnonim "Bugari" kako sopstveno etnichko ime. Ova znachi deka deneshnata bugarska nacija ne e etnichka tuku poveche politichka da ne kazam veshtachka nacija.
Ubavo e objasneto, ama Kumanite i Pecenezite neli bea od zoltata rasa? |
| YodaShundov |
[:D][:D] I can't remember when i last had so much fun. You macedonians are really funny people with a really funny country [:D]
I really admire you for being successors of the Alexander the Great. I have only one question: Where have you been for the last few thousand years after him. It just seems that you have dissapeared but now you are back and you have build a new and even better Macedonia! Congatulation! I have only one request from you: please stay in FYR Macedonia, DO NOT come to Bulgaria and please take all your friens who live here back ( i don't mean those macedonians who live here because they know they are bulgarians, they are really cool people actually)
Macedonia Forever |
| ProMKD |
YodaShundov:
[:D][:D]I can't remember when I last met such a stupid person. You bulgarians are really dumb people with a really dumb country.[:D]
I really don't admire you for being a successor of nobody important. I have only one question: Why are you such an imbecile? It just seems that you people get stupider by the minute, and now you are here trying to act smart and clever. Congratulations! I have only one request from you: please stay in FOR Bulgaria (former ottoman republic), DO NOT come to Republic of Macedonia and please take all your friends off of this forum (I don't mean the smart Macedonians, because they know they are Macedonian, and they are really cool people)
Macedonia Forever |
| Jakov |
quote:
Originally posted by YodaShundov
[:D][:D] I can't remember when i last had so much fun. You macedonians are really funny people with a really funny country [:D]
I really admire you for being successors of the Alexander the Great. I have only one question: Where have you been for the last few thousand years after him. It just seems that you have dissapeared but now you are back and you have build a new and even better Macedonia! Congatulation! I have only one request from you: please stay in FYR Macedonia, DO NOT come to Bulgaria and please take all your friens who live here back ( i don't mean those macedonians who live here because they know they are bulgarians, they are really cool people actually)
Macedonia Forever
A ti ke zamines samoinicijativno od ovde otkako se iznasmea taka ubavo ili ke morame da te otstranime, na poinakov nacin. Podobro za site bi bilo da si odis i da ne dosagas. Aj bidi ljuezen.Ovde nema nisto za tebe, gledas deka se se samo smesni luge koi kazuvaat "smeski" |
| nemo |
quote:
Originally posted by YodaShundov
[:D][:D] I can't remember when i last had so much fun. You macedonians are really funny people with a really funny country [:D]
I really admire you for being successors of the Alexander the Great. I have only one question: Where have you been for the last few thousand years after him. quote:
Wheere were the Assirians???2. Now I see the asimilation of the Copts in Egypten from 20 mil, now 10 mil?!!!
It just seems that you have dissapeared but now you are back and you have build a new and even better Macedonia! Congatulation! I have only one request from you: please stay in FYR Macedonia, DO NOT come to Bulgaria and please take all your friens who live here back ( i don't mean those macedonians who live here because they know they are bulgarians, they are really cool people actually)
Macedonia Forever
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| nemo |
quote:
Originally posted by nemo
quote:
Originally posted by YodaShundov
[:D][:D] I can't remember when i last had so much fun. You macedonians are really funny people with a really funny country [:D]
I really admire you for being successors of the Alexander the Great. I have only one question: Where have you been for the last few thousand years after him. quote:
Wheere were the Assirians???2. Now I see the asimilation of the Copts in Egypten from 20 mil, now 10 mil?!!!
It just seems that you have dissapeared but now you are back and you have build a new and even better Macedonia! Congatulation! quote:
Donot be jelouse od maka
I have only one request from you: please stay in FYR Macedonia, DO NOT come to Bulgaria quote:
only to Pirin
and please take all your friens who live here back quote:
site so se vo Pirin
( i don't mean those macedonians who live here because they know they are bulgarians, they are really cool people actually)
Macedonia Forever
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| ProMKD |
haha, BEAT DOWN bulgar boy! |