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achtung_panzer	quote: Originally posted by Strelec ... Kje gi naranime so bobinki tie shto treba da odluchat za nashata sudbina i preku nokj od glaDni kje se transformirame vo glaVni!:) [:D] E pa ne se site kako Strelach ljubiteli na psihodelichni bobinki pa da se mezat od niv i stalno da imaat "vizii"
Aj u Kafic	[:D]
concrete	Abe nikoj nikakov komentar za Marlene Dietrich vo Metropoliten, samo bobinki,gladni i glavni vi se motaat okolu.....:):)!!!! Ne brzajte eve go kade e 8 Septemvri i svetskata promocija na novite roze i sini bobinki :):):)!!!
Strelec	quote: Originally posted by concrete Abe nikoj nikakov komentar za Marlene Dietrich vo Metropoliten... Ne komentiram, ama kje ti kazham deka istata pesna ja slushnav barem 30-tina pati minatava nedela!:) Lugje... Pokraj site raboti koi shto se kazhani vo vrska so statusot 'kandidat za EU', kje vi kazham ushte edna misla koja shto postojano mi se vrti na um: Ako mozhea Bugarija i Romanija, zoshto ne bi mozhele i nie? Bobinki ili nebobinki, ne e od prvostepena vazhnost... Povazhno e toa shto sme navistina na dobar pat da uspeeme!
concrete	30-tina pati....koj ziti boga tolku ja pusta???? A [url="http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/bc/41f2e8bf_c88/bc/My+Documents/bella.mp3?bfP74EDBDr1LI1Bn"]ovaa[/url] kolku pati nea si j cul vo posledno vreme??????
Strelec	Ne raboti linkot!
OooOo	bella ciao? :)
achtung_panzer	quote: Originally posted by Strelec Ne komentiram, ama kje ti kazham deka istata pesna ja slushnav barem 30-tina pati minatava nedela!:) Bravo, ima nadezh za tebe [;)] Shega na strana, vlezot na zarinkani brodovi kako Romanija i Bugarija vo EU kje ostane edna od pojakite misterii na 21-ot vek i e svedoshtvo za toa kolku vazhi prethodno istaknatiot cenovnik vo Bordelot. Basnopisci od site strani, obedinete se... oti bez nova basna Marlen Ditrih kje ja slushate mnogu, mnogu pochesto...
Aj u Kafic	a jasno vi e deka nikoj vo Germanija ne ja znae Pesnata za Lilli Marleen? Seriozno, mislam deka samiot moloch Evropska Unija ponekad ne znai sho mu prai opashkata pa koga kje mavni misli deka ne bil on... pa da ne bea vojnite i nashive ke vlegoja za 2-3 godini. Bashka toa shto BG i RO istotaka ne uspea vo proces na transformacija, no toa e moe mislenje.
Strelec	quote: Originally posted by achtung_panzer Bravo, ima nadezh za tebe [;)] Ama za tebe nema! Vesna... Bugarija i Romanija se seushte mnogu daleku od najrazvienite evropski zemji, ama statusot 'kandidati' mnogu im pomogna zasega i na mnogu polinja so brzo tempo otidoa 'napred'!
Aj u Kafic	Site novi clenki na EU, osven slovenite, ne se dovolno razvieni, zatoa i gi nemaat ushte site prenosti na unijata. BG i Romanija dobija dovolno pari, no se znae deka sepak samo mozehbi 60-70% tecee na svoe mesto, no deka se dovolno razvieni ne. Po moe mislenje odlukata niv da im se dade vlez beshe diplomatska, i sepak golem uspeh za tie novi zemji. No stravot e golem vo evropskata zaednica deka tuka ke nasednesh na neshto trnlivo, sepak ima vekje ekonomski posledici so novite clenki, pa da vidime kako ke bide so ostanatite. A za finansiskta pomosh: minatata godina KAS skopje objavi moj essay za pomosh od EU, pa ako ne te mrzi, i taka znaesh kako se vikam pobaraj go, pa ke vidish brojki kolku pari vkupno tecat vo tie zemji. A bidi siguren i Makedonija dobiva dovolno za dase razvie, no nashata vlada nema kapacitet da gi povleche tie pari, zatoa shto mora da se predlozhi projekt, no iako nemam doverba vo Sugar Girl, imam doverba vo SEI kako makedonska institucija, i ke bide. Samo malku vreme.
katia	� �� ? "The Greek Prime Minister Costas Karamanlis has said that Greece will veto the entry into the European Union of the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM). According to Karamanlis, the FYROM government has not shown willingness to co-operate to end the dispute over the state's official name and has not responded positively to the United Nation's proposal (April 2005) for a new name for the FYROM. Greece is blocking, since 1991, the international recognition of FYROM under the name of Macedonia, which, it says, implies claims on a Greek province of the same name. The Commission will give its opinion on the opening of negotiations with Macedonia in November 2005. Unanimity of the EU 25 is required for entry into the Union of new countries " http://www.euractiv.com/Article?tcmuri=tcm:29-143595-16&type=News
lav	quote: Originally posted by katia � �� ? "The Greek Prime Minister Costas Karamanlis has said that Greece will veto the entry into the European Union of the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM). According to Karamanlis, the FYROM government has not shown willingness to co-operate to end the dispute over the state's official name and has not responded positively to the United Nation's proposal (April 2005) for a new name for the FYROM. Greece is blocking, since 1991, the international recognition of FYROM under the name of Macedonia, which, it says, implies claims on a Greek province of the same name. The Commission will give its opinion on the opening of negotiations with Macedonia in November 2005. Unanimity of the EU 25 is required for entry into the Union of new countries " http://www.euractiv.com/Article?tcmuri=tcm:29-143595-16&type=News � �� ...�� -��....�� ...�� !!:
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Jakov	a ti ziva srekna a?
katia	quote: Originally posted by Jakov a ti ziva srekna a? � �� ? �� j-�� . �� ja, �� .
Aj u Kafic	Del e od Grckata domashna politika da kazhuvaat deka blokiraat, no ne e del od nivnata Evropska politika da blokiraat. Tuka ima razlika. Ako vi tekne deka MK so drugi zemji vo Solun dobi potvrda za pristap i deka isto taka Grcija ja ratificiraa spogodbata za satbilizacija i asocijacija, koja mozhea lesno da ja blokiraat, i toa preku nacionalen parlament, pa tuka veke e jasno deka Grcite doma si velat edno, a vo Brisel si pravat drugo. Ili kako sto mi rece eden kolega od Atina: pa na vistina, nikoj ne ve shisa vo Grcija, ama tie od Solun ochekuvaat catpat da kazheme neshto protiv vas za da ne se custvuvaat makedoncite tamu gore ostabevni i ponizheni od politicarite vo Atina. Toa e isto golema glupost kako, Bugarite ne ni go priznavaat jazik, ama potpishuvaat megjunardoni dogovori so nas na makedonski jazik.
tataris	quote: Originally posted by Aj u Kafic Del e od Grckata domashna politika da kazhuvaat deka blokiraat, no ne e del od nivnata Evropska politika da blokiraat. Tuka ima razlika. Ako vi tekne deka MK so drugi zemji vo Solun dobi potvrda za pristap i deka isto taka Grcija ja ratificiraa spogodbata za satbilizacija i asocijacija, koja mozhea lesno da ja blokiraat, i toa preku nacionalen parlament, pa tuka veke e jasno deka Grcite doma si velat edno, a vo Brisel si pravat drugo. Ili kako sto mi rece eden kolega od Atina: pa na vistina, nikoj ne ve shisa vo Grcija, ama tie od Solun ochekuvaat catpat da kazheme neshto protiv vas za da ne se custvuvaat makedoncite tamu gore ostabevni i ponizheni od politicarite vo Atina. Toa e isto golema glupost kako, Bugarite ne ni go priznavaat jazik, ama potpishuvaat megjunardoni dogovori so nas na makedonski jazik. All the Greeks and Bulgarians are gay because they do not recognize the macedonian nation. What a stupid people, really !
Aj u Kafic	�� , �� ?
katia	quote: Originally posted by Aj u Kafic Del e od Grckata domashna politika da kazhuvaat deka blokiraat, no ne e del od nivnata Evropska politika da blokiraat. Tuka ima razlika. Ako vi tekne deka MK so drugi zemji vo Solun dobi potvrda za pristap i deka isto taka Grcija ja ratificiraa spogodbata za satbilizacija i asocijacija, koja mozhea lesno da ja blokiraat, i toa preku nacionalen parlament, pa tuka veke e jasno deka Grcite doma si velat edno, a vo Brisel si pravat drugo. � ��, ��... �� 31.08.2005 �� . �� , �� 1 �� . �� . �� 1 �� . � �� , �� , �� . �� , �� . �� . �� , �� . �� 4 ��, �� - �� . �� , �� , �� . �� 2 �� , �� , ��, �� . �� .
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nepobedliv	Taa biljana sekulovska e opasna i ima objaveno lagi - site nejzini artikli se negativni kon Makedonija i mozno da e spiun. Ako se pokaze da ne e u pravo mora da leta od rabota.
dejan	Lele kako znaes ova??
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concrete	Zosto od rabota , ako e toa sto velis...treba da "odleta"....na drugo tivko mesto so cempresi :):):)!!!! Sega na strana, mozat site da jadat burek kolku sakaat, ovoj prostor za koj zboruvame si e e Evropa...problemot e sto sega nekoi probaat da go tvrdat pazarot za cenata na robovite.....
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concrete	Ex Trendafile , koga sekoja budala vo Makedonija ke go svati toa, rabotite ke trgant.Vaka lugeto uste sonuvaat i mislat deka so placenje i lezenje po asfalti ke si gi resat problemite, a ne se zafakaat za rabota i so razmisla kolku i sto znaat da rabotat i koj vo toa gi sprecuva na eden mnogu perfiden nacin. Togas nema da se vidi alot ni na Bucko i kompanija, ni na Ahnmeti i drustvo, a ni na site drugi od Boga dadeni..... bogami ni na biznismeni od tipot na Sveto Pivara , za kogo iskreno sum iznenaden kako seuste se trkala po povrsinata na planetava...paradox neviden :):)!!!!
lav	quote: Originally posted by Aj u Kafic a jasno vi e deka nikoj vo Germanija ne ja znae Pesnata za Lilli Marleen? Seriozno, mislam deka samiot moloch Evropska Unija ponekad ne znai sho mu prai opashkata pa koga kje mavni misli deka ne bil on... pa da ne bea vojnite i nashive ke vlegoja za 2-3 godini. Bashka toa shto BG i RO istotaka ne uspea vo proces na transformacija, no toa e moe mislenje. �� ...�� (��) �� 2 �� (�).. � �� Wermacht �� Bundeswer-��...�� (��)�� (Deutchland Deutchland #252;ber alles)�� . �� ...�� (��)�� (�� ) �� .
lav	quote: Originally posted by Aj u Kafic Ednostavno gledam deka ne se razbirame: ne e bitno koga ke bidne, vazhno e deka ke bide. I nego vikam toa zatoahsto tolku mnogu ja poddrzhuvam nashata kandidatura za vo EU, ednostavno takvi se rabotite. Bugarskiot pat ke trae minimum 12 godini, ako vlezat vo 2007, od baranje clenstvo do pristap. http://europa.eu.int/comm/enlargement/bulgaria/key_events.htm Slicno beshe kaj Ungarija i Polska. Makedonija tek pocna. A za toa sto ne e sposobna da izgradi administrativni strukturi, tuka po moe mislenje, MMF spletka raboti. Definitivno e fakt deka imame pregolem javen sektor, no so baranjata na MMF ne mozne ni da se reformira, pa isto nikako so nashite partiski i etnicki meshanja vo ministerstvata. Pa na kraj ... docnat. No ne se ni prvi ni posledni. �� ...�� Σ�� , � �� -�� ...�� ..�� , �� ...�� ...�� .
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Aj u Kafic	quote: Originally posted by lav quote: Originally posted by Aj u Kafic a jasno vi e deka nikoj vo Germanija ne ja znae Pesnata za Lilli Marleen? Seriozno, mislam deka samiot moloch Evropska Unija ponekad ne znai sho mu prai opashkata pa koga kje mavni misli deka ne bil on... pa da ne bea vojnite i nashive ke vlegoja za 2-3 godini. Bashka toa shto BG i RO istotaka ne uspea vo proces na transformacija, no toa e moe mislenje. �� ...�� (��) �� 2 �� (�).. � �� Wermacht �� Bundeswer-��...�� (��)�� (Deutchland Deutchland #252;ber alles)�� . �� ...�� (��)�� (�� ) �� . E da sega im prefrluvash na eden cel narod, deka se praat kao da ne znaat ... ne znam ti kolku pati si bil vo ovaa zemja, no sepak mislam deka jas mozam podobro da go ocenam ovoj narod. Vojnata zavrshi pred 60 godini, i ima nekoi shto ushte ziveat, ama zamisli vo koja vozrast se sega... i btw jas ja znam taa pesna od jugoslovenski filmoi a ne od Germanija ... A toj drugiot post ne ti go razbiram, zoshto samo elegii mi pushtash a nikako ladni fakti. Znam deka nema diskusija bez sprotistavuvanje, no ako nema so sto da se spotivstavish, neli e podobro to let it be? Makedonskata vlada vo minatite godini jasno se izrazi deka ima zhelba za priblizhuvanje na EU. Ako ti mislish, ili bilo koj drug, deka to e propad za MK, neka ide vo Makedonskata politika i neka ja menja.
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dejan	Isto sto e po loso i zhalno e toa sto SDS go laze narodot deka ke staneme kandidat do 2006!! Ama sto drugo da se ocekuva od SDS(DUI) IZVINI!!!
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dejan	http://www.vecer.com.mk/tekst.asp?tid=12017 �� 2006 �� . toa znaci emailovi do Britanskata vlada!!!
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concrete	quote: Originally posted by f9 ��,��,��... ��=�� - �� 2....� �� ,� �� !.... �� .�� ,�� . �� .... � �� ? Navistina i koga ke se podzamislis, sto bi barala Makedonija tamu....tie sto treba se nadvor ili ke bidat naskoro, ova narodnosta si ja ima kako mirna exteritorijalna baza, za operaciite koi si gi vodat nadvor... se mi se cini deka sekernovo devojce samo nisa vrata da zema plata.....
Jakov	quote: Originally posted by concrete quote: Originally posted by f9 ��,��,��... ��=�� - �� 2....� �� ,� �� !.... �� .�� ,�� . �� .... � �� ? Navistina i koga ke se podzamislis, sto bi barala Makedonija tamu....tie sto treba se nadvor ili ke bidat naskoro, ova narodnosta si ja ima kako mirna exteritorijalna baza, za operaciite koi si gi vodat nadvor... se mi se cini deka sekernovo devojce samo nisa vrata da zema plata..... Ke klati devojceto do naesen posle toa moze da se slika, da cuva deca da si najde nesto kolku da ima zanimacija koga ke ja .....
ZOTE	Evropskata Unija od nas bara da ispolnime nekolku uslovi za da vlezeme vo Evropa. Znachi pokraj toa shto bara da imame nekorunpirano sudstvo, resheni megchu etnichki odnosi, promena na ustavot, nizok stepen na nevrabotenost, povisk standard i dr. Sega se postavuva prashanjeto, koga nie seto ova che go ispolnime znachi toa che go napravime samostojno dali ni e potreben vlez vo Evropa ako imame se kako shto navedov pred malku {a najvazno e standardot} jas mislam deka ne ni treba. Kako primer che ja zemam Slovenija koja ne e zadovolna od Evropa zatoa shto ja uslovuva kade i kolku che gi prodava svoite proizvodi. Taka da Slovencite ne se mnogu srechni od vlezot vo Evropa.
dejan	http://www.vecer.com.mk/tekst.asp?tid=12074
concrete	Paaa...od pred nekoj saat..izgleda Evropa t.e. EU za MKD definitivno e paa-paa!!!! Mislam za toa sto sega se narekuva FIROM, a za drugite tvorbi ne sum odzata od Bitola :):):)!!!! Bas me interesira ona sekernoto mome kako ke ja filuva prikaznata???? Mislam deka pod itno treba da se trgnat...,ako imaat i ronka od GOOOLEMATA LJUBOV KON MAKEDONIJA, kakva ja ima na primer Pana !!!!! Vreme e za otvaranje na plikot so upatstva za ne daj Boze proceduri !!!!!
Thief	quote: Originally posted by concrete Vreme e za otvaranje na plikot so upatstva za ne daj Boze proceduri !!!!! A�� ?! ;)
concrete	Tie "drzavnickite" veke gi imaat otvoreni i napisale novi!!! Sepak , ako imaat malku usul , pred toa harikirito, treba da go otvorat upatstvoto vo braon B4 debeliot plik so vosocen pecat i konec, da spasat sto moze da se spasi, kolku tolku, ater za "idnite generacii" :):):)!!!!!!!!!
katia	��ȣ��" �� , �� , �� "��" �� . �� : ��, ��, ��, �� , � �� , �� . "��" �� "�� , ��弝� �� , ��, �� ". "�� , �� , �� ", �� "��". �� "�� ". �� "��" �� , �� . (��) http://www.vecer.com.mk/tekst.asp?tid=12513 .."�� ..." o�� 2020 � �� ..
concrete	quote: Originally posted by katia ��ȣ��" �� .."�� ..." o�� 2020 � �� .. A be Katinke, kako mozes da bides tolku smotana, ne ostavaj da se gleda deka si odrasnala vo Bugarskiot socijalizam:):):)!!!!
katia	quote: Originally posted by concrete quote: Originally posted by katia ��ȣ��" �� .."�� ..." o�� 2020 � �� .. A be Katinke, kako mozes da bides tolku smotana, ne ostavaj da se gleda deka si odrasnala vo Bugarskiot socijalizam:):):)!!!! �� J��ja �� ...[:)][:)][:)]�� 15-16 ��
concrete	quote: Originally posted by katia [quote]Originally posted by concrete [quote]Originally posted by katia ��ȣ��" �� J��ja �� ...[:)][:)][:)]�� 15-16 �� Pa uste e na zapad od vas, ako zabelezuvas:):):)!!!!Ne se izmestila...kolku sto znam :):):)!!!!
katia	quote: Originally posted by concrete quote: Originally posted by katia [quote]Originally posted by concrete [quote]Originally posted by katia ��ȣ��" �� J��ja �� ...[:)][:)][:)]�� 15-16 �� Pa uste e na zapad od vas, ako zabelezuvas:):):)!!!!Ne se izmestila...kolku sto znam :):):)!!!! �� J��ja �� ...��
lav	quote: Originally posted by katia ��ȣ��" �� , �� , �� "��" �� . �� : ��, ��, ��, �� , � �� , �� . "��" �� "�� , ��弝� �� , ��, �� ". "�� , �� , �� ", �� "��". �� "�� ". �� "��" �� , �� . (��) http://www.vecer.com.mk/tekst.asp?tid=12513 .."�� ..." o�� 2020 � �� .. �� ...��???. �� ???.
concrete	quote: Originally posted by katia [quote]Originally posted by concrete �� J��ja �� ...�� he,he....samo kupi podobri naocari,tie ne ti se arni :):):)!!!!!
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katia	quote: Originally posted by concrete quote: Originally posted by katia [quote]Originally posted by concrete �� J��ja �� ...�� he,he....samo kupi podobri naocari,tie ne ti se arni :):):)!!!!! �� j �� ja �� , �� , �� J��ja...[:)][:)][:)]
lav	quote: Originally posted by katia [quote �� ...��???. �� ???. [/quote] �� , �� ja� �� "��" � � �� , �� ? [/quote] �� ...�� -��ȣ� �� (��) �� (��)�� , � �� ......�� , �� . �� (��) �� .
concrete	quote: Originally posted by katia [quote]Originally posted by concrete [�� j �� ja �� , �� , �� J��ja...[:)][:)][:)] ne e do markata, do DIOPTRIJATA e :):):)!!!!!
katia	quote: Originally posted by concrete quote: Originally posted by katia [quote]Originally posted by concrete [�� j �� ja �� , �� , �� J��ja...[:)][:)][:)] ne e do markata, do DIOPTRIJATA e :):):)!!!!! �� ja��, �� [:)][:)][:)]
Strelec	off topic: Katia... Aj slika daj da te vidime kako izgledash!:)
katia	quote: Originally posted by Strelec off topic: Katia... Aj slika daj da te vidime kako izgledash!:) �� , �� ..�� , � �� j��..��
Strelec	�� ... �� : http://forums.vmacedonia.com/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=7912
Jakov	Off topic Eve Katja mi ima prateno slika uste koga doagase samo na istorija. http://tinypic.com/69iauu
concrete	quote: Originally posted by katia [quote]Originally posted by concrete �� ja��, �� [:)][:)][:)] Hmmmm...,togas e po slozen slucajot,ke moras kaj drugi doktori za sovet...:):):)!!!
toni_a	eeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE biser balkanski!!! ... katjo,kazi ako treba nesto za naocarite,imam eden poznat opticar vo GTC,odma ke sredime rabota! [8D] em ke vidis kako e gletkata od zapad[:)] a i jas treba da vidam dali so moite dzrkeli e se kako sto treba.
katia	quote: Originally posted by concrete quote: Originally posted by katia [quote]Originally posted by concrete �� ja��, �� [:)][:)][:)] Hmmmm...,togas e po slozen slucajot,ke moras kaj drugi doktori za sovet...:):):)!!! �� ?
concrete	quote: Originally posted by katia quote: Originally posted by concrete Hmmmm...,togas e po slozen slucajot,ke moras kaj drugi doktori za sovet...:):):)!!! �� ? A be jas kazav ,a ti kako ke go operacionaliziras toa,tvoja rabota, inaku jas najcesto kaj Strobl na Lechleite 4, pa ako te nosi patot......... http://www.gemeinde-rehling.de/karte/maps/karte.gif
toni_a	quote: Originally posted by katia �� ? sudejki po novata slikicka i ako tepas veke tolku pat mozes vo Loreley da namines pa ke sredime rabota[:D] http://tinypic.com/69lv94.jpg ps-beloto e prostor za beleski[;)]
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Aj u Kafic	Ednostavno gledam deka ne se razbirame: ne e bitno koga ke bidne, vazhno e deka ke bide. I nego vikam toa zatoahsto tolku mnogu ja poddrzhuvam nashata kandidatura za vo EU, ednostavno takvi se rabotite. Bugarskiot pat ke trae minimum 12 godini, ako vlezat vo 2007, od baranje clenstvo do pristap. http://europa.eu.int/comm/enlargement/bulgaria/key_events.htm Slicno beshe kaj Ungarija i Polska. Makedonija tek pocna. A za toa sto ne e sposobna da izgradi administrativni strukturi, tuka po moe mislenje, MMF spletka raboti. Definitivno e fakt deka imame pregolem javen sektor, no so baranjata na MMF ne mozne ni da se reformira, pa isto nikako so nashite partiski i etnicki meshanja vo ministerstvata. Pa na kraj ... docnat. No ne se ni prvi ni posledni.
katia	quote: Originally posted by Aj u Kafic Ednostavno gledam deka ne se razbirame: ne e bitno koga ke bidne, vazhno e deka ke bide. I nego vikam toa zatoahsto tolku mnogu ja poddrzhuvam nashata kandidatura za vo EU, ednostavno takvi se rabotite. Bugarskiot pat ke trae minimum 12 godini, ako vlezat vo 2007, od baranje clenstvo do pristap. http://europa.eu.int/comm/enlargement/bulgaria/key_events.htm Slicno beshe kaj Ungarija i Polska. Makedonija tek pocna. A za toa sto ne e sposobna da izgradi administrativni strukturi, tuka po moe mislenje, MMF spletka raboti. Definitivno e fakt deka imame pregolem javen sektor, no so baranjata na MMF ne mozne ni da se reformira, pa isto nikako so nashite partiski i etnicki meshanja vo ministerstvata. Pa na kraj ... docnat. No ne se ni prvi ni posledni. � �� , ��, �� ? �� ? �� - �� - �� , �� ..
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Jakov	Kako idese sega ona with all due and respect, ama ne ja slusajte Biljana Sekulovska zasto pola od komentarite sto gi kazuva se licno nejznini. Sakam da kazam si dodava raboti za da bide se dramaticno i zaebano za Makedonija.
toni_a	ajde ,jas so nekoja pozitivna novina od EU: �� http://www.a1.com.mk/vesti/vest.asp?VestID=50505 ps-sega vidov deka veke kasnam[:(]
Aj u Kafic	spored moite istrazuvanja nema nekoj napredok vo nashata drzava od koga e potpishan dogovorot za stabilizicaija i asocijacija, osven sto nekoi zakoni dobivem koj i ponataka nikoj ne gi pocituva. Jas ne bi veruvala deka MK ke dobie status na kandidat, no dosega imashe dovolno pozitivni mislenja, pa mislam deka seto toa ima politicka podloga za da se stabilizira ponataka situacijata i da se zablazhi malku gorclivnosta od toa shto nashiot severniot sosed Kosovo ke dobie kvazi avtonomija pod OON. Makedonija ima stvarno dobri sili i potencijali za potrebni reformi, no jas licno ne gledam shansa da se smeni stvarno neshto dodeka ne se smenat mnogu, mnogu lugje vo nashata drzhava, a najprvi tie pozadi shalterite. Nie imame demokratija, no taa e totalno defektna (toa znaci deka vlada se bira preku izbori, no koga ke ja imaa taa vlast se odnesuva nedemokratski i nezakonski) i licno jas mislam deka EU integracijata - status kandidat, no ne status clenka - e od politicka strana dobra za makedonija, no od ekonomska strana mnogu teshka. Koj od vasa napisha deka Makedonija bi trebala da postapuva malku skromno?
toni_a	gledam poveke pozitivnosti so vlez vo EU...barem nema da uspeat grcine da ja kupat cela MK. spored tebe znaci sega nema da se dobie status kandidat? za skromnoto mislam deka concrete go spomna nekade,ama ne sum siguren...
Aj u Kafic	Ne mi se veruva, no pored toa shto se slusha ke dobie ... jas sum politilog i pored nas ne bi trebalo, no toa e politicka a ne naucna odluka ...
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concrete	Zosto koga go citam ova od pogore mi doaga edna dolgonoga [url="http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/bc/41f2e8bf_c88/bc/marlened.mp3?bftW0EDBUy3QYEt0"] lily [/url]na um ???????
Strelec	Abe concrete... Shto se sekirash? Ushte malku ostana do momentot koga EU kje treba da odluchi za nashata aplikacija... Kje gi naranime so bobinki tie shto treba da odluchat za nashata sudbina i preku nokj od glaDni kje se transformirame vo glaVni!:)
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nepobedliv	Mislam site ke se soglesite - ne e EU ili evropa koja ke ne primi vo EU tuku kako ke naredi G W Bush. Sto da kazam, seuste sum pod mototo - God Bless USA. A za grcite - se ispufka, iznazborija ama nie izlegovme daleku podoinstveni. Baska za Grcija doaga tezok moment - Turcija ili Makedonija vo EU??? Dve veta samo ludak moze da bara.
Aj u Kafic	quote: Originally posted by nepobedliv Mislam site ke se soglesite - ne e EU ili evropa koja ke ne primi vo EU tuku kako ke naredi G W Bush. Sto da kazam, seuste sum pod mototo - God Bless USA. A za grcite - se ispufka, iznazborija ama nie izlegovme daleku podoinstveni. Baska za Grcija doaga tezok moment - Turcija ili Makedonija vo EU??? Dve veta samo ludak moze da bara. Jas da se soglasam deka GWB nareduva koj ke vleze vo EU? I daj mi primeroci kade taka se slucilo? Potvrdi deka e taka ... USA ne prizna pod ustavnoto ime, ama EU ne ne prizna... A neli po tvoeto tvrdenje bi trebalo taka da se sluci?
nepobedliv	Ako GWB naredi taka i ke bide ama nema dadeno takva naredba. Patot vo evropa e pat preku NATO - ultimate USA machinery kako sto vikaat. Sekoj diplomat ke ti kaze deka USA diktira sekade.
Aj u Kafic	src, jas znam dovolno diplomati, aznam i sluzebnici itn. NATO i EU ne se povrzani kako organizacii, no znam deka vo MK drugo se razmisluva. Pa ti tresi ponataka.
Daniel Glenn	Dear All, Reading many of your posts it becomes evident that your expectations concerning the resolutions of various issues are based on patriotism and a lack of understanding of the internal workings of Greek and Turkish lobbying and their regional strategies.A similar review of Serbian,Bulgarian and Albanian strategies exist but are currently not as significant. At a time when there is a whole beaurocracy of Greeks doing nothing all day than reading Slavic-Macedonian,Albanian-Macedonian newspapers, watching your television, analysing your school books from kindergarden to university, don't you think you may consider a more analytic approach to understanding the issues from more accurate angles? Overlooked issues and options by posters: 1.Greece vetoing Turkey and/or Macedonia, either one or the other? How about the more realistic outcome? Greece will not veto the Turkish EU talks because they don't have to.You guys must know that Greece dropped their veto against Turkey because they knew that Germany,France,Austria,Holland,Belgium etc were always against full EU integration for Turkey. The problem as of yesterday belongs to Turkey.Either recognize Cyprus or no EU.No veto necesary,its part of EU criteria.Even if a veto was necesary one must not forget that there are 2 Greek republics in the EU.Greece is one Cyprus is another. Whatever the case there's enough vetos to go around. 2. Macedonia.(the name) Both sides have to show good will in the BILATERAL resolution of the name.Most analysts where betting that the Macedonian government would have inherited a strategy of "always welcoming" proposals by the UN but consistently ask for more time thus delaying the final negotiation untill a more opportune moment without blatantly violating the UN agreement.When Buchkovski flat out rejected a UN proposal he managed to infringe on the "spirit" and the "letter" of the bilateral agreement signed between the two countries. 3 God Bless America How has American support helped a country which is in NATO and has a population of 70mill? Not very much.Remember when the US supported the assecion of Cyprus and Turkey AFTER the Cyprus resolution in order to safeguard Turkey's interests? Is this the kind of support being reffered to? Just some facts: 1.The Greek and Turkish defence budget for the next ten years is 50Billion dollars each. 2.The Greek merchant fleet has been awarded by President Bush a lucrative exclusive agreement for the transport of Humanitarian assitance and US military hardware and supplies to IRAQ.(Refer to Karamanlis meeting with Bush a couple of months ago) 3.Bush has reiterated a number of times that Greece is the US's strategic and preferential partner in the Balkans. 4.Gas pipelines,joint US-Greek anti-terrorist forces in Crete,joint production of patriot missiles in Greece,joint off shore drilling platforms in the Aegean and Ionian sea etc...(recently leaked in the media) It is a dangerous assumption that billions of dollars worth of bilateral agreements solidifying American interests in the region through Greece will be risked so that America can retain it's position in Macedonia when in fact most American interests are starting to pair up with existing Greek ones. Even if the US stated tomorow that Macedonia was not recognised with it's constitutional name what concrete geo-political cost would it have? Conclusion: It is extremely obvious and well publicised that the poles of power trying to represent the major players in the balkan region are Austria,Greece,and Turkey.This year it is becoming more clear that Austria gets majority interest in Croatia,Slovenia,Slovakia and ofcourse Hungary(Plus some minority interest in norther Romania and Serbia).Turkey gets Georgia,Uzbekistan,Turkmenistan,and trade with Iran,Iraq,and Syria.Greece gets majority interest in Albania,Macedonia,Bulgaria,a limited part of Serbia and Romania,and trade preferences with Lebanon,Palestine,and Egypt.And ofcourse the upper hand in Cyprus. It's that simple.As such you would be doing your country a great service if you planned your future based on the guidelines already set by the major powers.That's why they exist after all.Perhaps one day in the future when you become powerfull enough you will be able to influence your country's future.But you must work within the pre-set guidelines just like any other game. Wish you all good luck and a nice weekend.
nepobedliv	Daniel you are Greek even though you use Macedonia as a word and your intention is to soften us towards the Greek - we do play politics man even though we don't always understand we are a major player - why. We are not worried about all this countries around - they are all over it. And Greece is treatning to VETO which is agressive and non-friendly and which destroed your previous win.
nepobedliv	And by the way - Greece is not a pole...there aren't any poles on the Balkans. If there were people will nick them. USA is friend of Macedonia.
Aj u Kafic	Well dear, First, how do I call Greeks who obviously understand Macedonian? Well, of course Macedonian. Well, you speak about military budget and I praise the day when Greek army will enter Macedonia - but it would never happen. Greece does not veto an entry of Turkey into the European Union because of economic matters. The same with Macedonia. Greece is a member of the European Union and as such it has to obey to EU law and regulations. Forget minority rights, we talk here about economy. And you really belive that the EU will allow such nationalistic military operations to destroy their economic interest on the Western Balkans? The EU is not intersted in national governments demurs that they have to pease their voter groups. The EU is subventioning nearly every road in your country and it excepts that you shut up on international level with your nationalistic interests about names. No one here in Europe is interested in listening to that. Especially the Big Three. And btw GB is supporting an entry of Turkey, so does Germany, even if the government changes. And France will do the same with Germany, as well as Spain. Poland, as usual supports the British, and the Scandinavians do not give a shit, they just want to enter the market. Macedonia will become a candidate, and greek investors will be very happy about that, and Turkey will, if they are wiser than now, get their ticket, too. The European Union never denied memebership to a country, it only happened that the country itself was not interested. Other opinions, like yours, are just national govermental propaganda to soothen small-minded nationalists like yours. I really would appreciate if you would wake up from your dream of Greater Greece and face the truth that Greece sold their ass to Brussels and have actually no influence in this economic union.
dejan	Kako moze covekot da bide Grk i da ne razbira???
concrete	quote: Originally posted by dejan Kako moze covekot da bide Grk i da ne razbira??? ne ne razbira , mu preveduva babamu ...ubav toj na baba :):)!!!!
achtung_panzer	Yo Daniel, which planet are you living on? Oil in the Aegean Sea?[:D] The part about Balkan "superpowers" being countries you named is funny too (if not ridicolous)... God forbids EU cuts its funding for Greece (together with Portugal one of the poorest members), your shiny "superpower" country goes straight to the third-world sink... Take it easy with the psychodelic berries and keep studying our school books, you may actually learn something...
Daniel Glenn	[quote]Originally posted by nepobedliv And by the way - Greece is not a pole...there aren't any poles on the Balkans. If there were people will nick them. USA is friend of Macedonia. Dear Unbeatable, 1.The other countries are over it. Bulgaria I'm not sure what you mean by this, however it would be unwise to underscore the diplomatic problems that could arise when a Bulgaria as an E.U. member begins to utter concern about the "Bulgarian minority" in eastern Macedonia.The 80,000 Slavic-Macedonians that have currently taken BG passports(to date) will have to answer as to whether the statement they signed as part of their citizenship application was true (and therefore they are Bulgarians) or false in which case they can be charged with purgery). Albania Albanians are officialy challenging the northern borders of the Republic of Macedonia with Serbia/Kosovo.If Kosovo becomes independent what happens with the border dispute? Serbia The Serbians are still refusing to recognise the MPC as autocephalus. 2.USA is a friend of the Republic of Macedonia. I would refer to the KLA incident and how the Lavovi where not allowed to decisevely intervene.(and later were fired) I would also refer to the ethnic cleansing that took place under the pressence of the international community in Tetovo and Gostivar. I would refer to the Ohrid dogovor breaking the country into pieces and having people fired and putting unqualified Albanians in their place. I would especially refer to the incident in Arachinevo (even to date considered laughable if not tragic) when American consultants of MRPI were found with the KLA/ANO and were litteraly bussed to Kumanovo were they discreetly left the country through Kosovo. After all these factual and officialy recorder events the US is considered pro-Macedonian? The recognition of the Republic of Macedonia by the US was by most accepted as assistance to the government to sabotage the referendum on the Ohrid agreement.(The timing did not strike you as odd?) Warnings of VETO. The parameters of this warning have not changed: Both sides are obliged under the auspices of the UN and the bilateral agreement they signed to find a mutually acceptable resolution to the name.Any unilateral declarations in the opposite direction are considered in violation of this bilateral agreement. The warning is nothing more (diplomatically speaking) than a nudge to push the infringing party back to the negotiation table. If the US is a friend of the Republic of Macedonia wouldn't it be expected to block this procedure before it became an official UN obligation? Are you still arguing that there's something more important to the States than propmoting there own interests? If you believe that American interests are gretaer in the Republic of Macedonia than in Greece, can you please state some of them which form the basis of your opinion? best regards.
Daniel Glenn	quote: Originally posted by Aj u Kafic Well dear, First, how do I call Greeks who obviously understand Macedonian? Well, of course Macedonian. Well, you speak about military budget and I praise the day when Greek army will enter Macedonia - but it would never happen. Greece does not veto an entry of Turkey into the European Union because of economic matters. The same with Macedonia. Greece is a member of the European Union and as such it has to obey to EU law and regulations. Forget minority rights, we talk here about economy. And you really belive that the EU will allow such nationalistic military operations to destroy their economic interest on the Western Balkans? The EU is not intersted in national governments demurs that they have to pease their voter groups. The EU is subventioning nearly every road in your country and it excepts that you shut up on international level with your nationalistic interests about names. No one here in Europe is interested in listening to that. Especially the Big Three. And btw GB is supporting an entry of Turkey, so does Germany, even if the government changes. And France will do the same with Germany, as well as Spain. Poland, as usual supports the British, and the Scandinavians do not give a shit, they just want to enter the market. Macedonia will become a candidate, and greek investors will be very happy about that, and Turkey will, if they are wiser than now, get their ticket, too. The European Union never denied memebership to a country, it only happened that the country itself was not interested. Other opinions, like yours, are just national govermental propaganda to soothen small-minded nationalists like yours. I really would appreciate if you would wake up from your dream of Greater Greece and face the truth that Greece sold their ass to Brussels and have actually no influence in this economic union. Dear "Go to the Caffee", By the same logic do you call Slavic-Macedonians who speak Greek,Greeks? I'm not sure I understand your comment praising the day the Greek military will enter the Republic of Macedonia,(can you explain?)but I disagree fundamentally.The rules of the game have been set since 1945.They have seen to it that invasion is a failure of diplomats.Diplomats being the much cheaper,safer and more civilised medium to resolve problems than militaries. Greece does not veto Turkey or R.O.M. because of economic reasons. Every country does or doesn't do things based on economic reasons. It seems to me that there is a misconception concerning Greek veto policy vis a vis Turkey.It's not the case that Greece cannot veto Turkey.The case more accurately is that three years ago Greece lifted the veto vs Turkey.The veto had been exercised for over twenty years. Nationalistic military operations. I don't understand what you're refering to.Can you please explain what you mean? France,Germany, etc. Luckily for all of us, we will know what they will say on September the 7th.As for Germany it will be prudent to wait after the elections in a couple of weeks.We will easily appreciate their official position then. Just for the record,Turkey (despite your opinion of who's on who's side) will be forced to allow access to Cypriot planes and ships to it's ports,otherwise no EU.You can prove me wrong after the declaration of the EU foreign ministers. Pressure will come from France,Germany,Austria,Belgium,and Holland. Untill then,take care.
achtung_panzer	How tall are you Daniell?
Daniel Glenn	quote: Originally posted by achtung_panzer Yo Daniel, which planet are you living on? Oil in the Aegean Sea?[:D] The part about Balkan "superpowers" being countries you named is funny too (if not ridicolous)... God forbids EU cuts its funding for Greece (together with Portugal one of the poorest members), your shiny "superpower" country goes straight to the third-world sink... Take it easy with the psychodelic berries and keep studying our school books, you may actually learn something... Hello A.P., My appologies,didn't have time to respond yesterday. 1. 1m,78cm. 2. The world I live in includes a wartorn balkans that repeated exactly the same mistakes as in WW1 and WW2. A.Austro-Hungarian/Croat interests vs Greater Serbia (eastern slavonia &Dubrovnic B.Christians vs Muslims in Bosnia (along exactly the same regional borders as the previous world wars. C.Greater Albania vs Percieved Serbian sacred lands (Kosovo) 3.The world I live in also indicated an all time low in post cold war relations between Russia and U.S. over Kosovo and Serbia (reminiscent of Yalta arguments) Currently Bulgaria has a new extreme right party that recieved over 10% based on the platform of Turk bashing. I'm watching a WW2 rerun. On the numbers' side the balkans have fallen so far behind that all of the ex-Jugoslav republics,Romania,Albania, and Bulgaria combined have a GDP less than that of Greece or Turkey alone.(they are growing economically on average at a slower pace to bout) If the above isn't indicative enough of misplaced historical mythologies and predator-victim based social naratives,the weaker the country,the easier it resorted to military operations.Mostly because of their governments' and their peoples' live in a bubble far displaced from reality. In the mean time Turkey and Greece which have by far the strongest economies and militaries have given up on the idea of war and expansionism on eachother. This is the paradoxical world I live in.Why is your's any different? Some corrections: 1.Austro-Hungary,Greece,Turkey (Regional powers,region:South-east europe) not Super powers. Role of a regional power: To "affiliate" it's interests with those of Major powers.Target:to "guide" local events in a direction beneficial to both Super-power and regional power. If you like I can list briefly and specifically the strategies all three have executed the last ten years as an elaboration. Coment: This is a classic example of what I meant.The recent conflicts in the balkans have been a xerox copy of WW1 and WW2.Yet assuming the influence came from the same channels seems to somehow provoke an odd reaction among Balkan peoples as if history started after the fall of communism. 2.Oil in the Aegean and Ionian. I did not mean that they will find petroleum in the Aegean and Ionian sea.I meant they will find more oil.(Greece already produces 5000 barrells a day i.e.100mil euros anually).If my memmory serves me correctly analysts from Exxon drilling are forecasting 20-30K barrels a day "IF" Hellenic Petroleum agrees to finance an offshore platform.(tricky,due to the tourist nature of the region.) 3.E.U. - Greek funding The last EU funding for Greece will be included in the 2006-2010 period.After that Greece will switch role from a recipient to a contributor. I would welcome all the posters to begin using numbers in order to quantify these issues.Relying on opinions is a great coffee table pass time in the Balkans but keeps the dialogue vague and allows for comments such as "third world sink" to be nothing more than "nasty" or misinformed depending on the poster's angle. Best regards.
nepobedliv	The small GDP is our holy grail - and in the coming years we will see econimical boom - your country has managed to modernise the infrastructure but is set on the Balkans but has western prices which is a recepie for disaster. Even today many Greeks are coming to Macedonia for doctors, builders almost anything. It won't be too long before we get there. Don't forget: 1 Macedonia has 2 million and rich land. One good macroeconimic will sort it out - and no need to waste on arms. As for WW2 don't worry - all gone with the wind. We have sorted our ethnic relations - it is now your turn to deal with your minorities, for example some 1 million Albanians alone.
achtung_panzer	quote: Originally posted by Daniel Glenn 1. 1m,78cm. I didn't know they stack sh*t that high... Mighty Exxon is waiting for who? to start drilling in the White Sea?! And the oil issue comes up now and couldn't emerge before?! Again, if Greece is so mighty why does it still depending on lavish EU development donations? Keep reading our school books, chapters about WW2... and again, easy with the berries...
toni_a	daniel moze li na makedonski da muabetime? mnogu vreme mi treba za tekstovi na angliski...
Great_Macedonian	Daniel, first of all while you are a guest in a MACEDONIAN FORUM stop reffering to our people as "SLAVIC"-macedonians, because we are nothing but plain simple MACEDONIANS. Second of all, your country Greece wants from us what we can not give away, that is- OUR IDENTITY! We are macedonians, we come from macedonia!... not our fault that half of macedonia is today OCCUPIED by greece "thanks" to the Bucharest treaty of 1913. We will never give up our souls to you ultra-nationalistic bastards.. further more, ima samo nesto sto mrazam poveke od grci, a toa e 'grkomani' (makedonci-prodaeni dusi) koj mislat deka se grci zasto grcija im go ispere mozokot. Ako me razbiras togas ti si eden od niv!
concrete	Veke mu rekov na Dejan ,me te "razbira" , mu preveduva baba mu ...ubav toj na baba :):)!!!!
Daniel Glenn	quote: Originally posted by nepobedliv The small GDP is our holy grail - and in the coming years we will see econimical boom - your country has managed to modernise the infrastructure but is set on the Balkans but has western prices which is a recepie for disaster. Even today many Greeks are coming to Macedonia for doctors, builders almost anything. It won't be too long before we get there. Don't forget: 1 Macedonia has 2 million and rich land. One good macroeconimic will sort it out - and no need to waste on arms. As for WW2 don't worry - all gone with the wind. We have sorted our ethnic relations - it is now your turn to deal with your minorities, for example some 1 million Albanians alone. Hey Unbeatable, I'm not sure that your argument of a low GDP is as beneficial as you propose.It's tru that wealthier countries invest in poorer countries as a source of increasing their profits and their markets.Are you arguing that in is a good thing if Greeks come in increasing numbers to the Republic of Macedonia? In every day economics it does help the people of a coutnty and the country itself accumulate money from the privatizations and the increased tax revenues,but don't you think there's a trade off? Example:If your financial,retail,light industrial,and energy sector are all dominated by a single country don't you think this will translate to influence at some point? As for the people and the land I would also add that they are well educated in quite a few developing sectors. Concerning economic development I think dealing with numbers at this point is critical.Even with an increasing GDP of 6% annually for 20 years the per capita GDP will be 10,000 euro in 2026.When you say we'll get there are you keeping this in mind? I can't argue with you on the need for a military, although I think the government would have a greate bargaining position vs the Albanians if there was a military present that would offer a greater deterent to the rebbelion they organised. WW2 ? Well if it's all the same to you I'm not yet ready to give up on the fact that history repeats itself.It has happened too many times to ignore. Minorities.If your refering to Greece then you are refering to 600,000 Albanians of which 250,000 are ethnic Greeks from the souther region of Albanian.They spoke Greek and were registered as ethnic Greek Orthodox since a treaty signed with the league of nations in 1912 (or around 1912).There's also 200.000 Bulgarians,80.000 Polish,40.000 West Africans,Ukrainians,Syrians etc. These are imigrants. In a poll executed by Eurostat over 80% of imigrants in Greece like it and are not considering a return to their home country.It looks as if eurostat thinks the minorities are recieving european standard treatement. best regards.
Aj u Kafic	Abe ovoj razbira makedonski! Danco, aj na kafe da ti pra`m mozok, mojata ubavina defintivno ke te ubedi za dobroto na Makedonija!
dejan	Ne bre, kako sto concrete rece:p Ili moze razbira pa e zbunet Makedonec-Grk Listen Daniel it is not your fault!!! Embrace your Macedonian heritage!!!!
nepobedliv	�� , �� . Pa do koga nasive ke kutat - ocigledno e deka Grcite lobiraat na otvoreno otpozadi dodeka trajat dogovorite - ova u bilo koja smisla e obstrukcija na dogovorite!!! NE MOZE I DOGOVORI I OTVORENO LOBIRANJE!!!
dejan	Sto go mrzam toj covek.
Great_Macedonian	koj covek dejan? Anan? ili Karamanlis?
dejan	Anan I Karamanlis, vlahot.
Great_Macedonian	lol..pola grci se vlasi "potomcite na elenite" ;)
intel	quote: Originally posted by dejan Anan I Karamanlis, vlahot. �� , �� ???
dejan	Cuti more:p
dejan	Ne te razbrav intel, izvini?? I btw, toa 'cuti more' ne bese za tebe;)
Strelec	�� �� 2006 �� , �� 1 �� , �� . �� , � �� , �� . �� , � �� , �� . �� , �� . �� , �� , �� . �� , �� .
achtung_panzer	Za Anan nevoljite se na povidok, aferata so programata "nafta za hrana" za Irak od vremeto na Sadam Husein sodrzhi interesni detali za stepenot na korumpiranost na UN. Izvesni akteri vo taa afera se krupni iminja vo UN ili se od najbliskata familija na Anan. A za toa deka EU i NATO se edinstvenata alternativa za zapadniot Balkan, rokot na prestasuvanje na taa bajka se blizhi...
concrete	Strelec , zemjata nema kapaciteti da napravi nikakvi reformi. Sekoja prikazna na taa tema e samo zamajuvanje. A sto se odnesuva za NATO i EU , takvite prikazni ke isceznat za mesec dva, koga onie Makedonci sto ostanale vo kotelot ke imaat mnogu poprioritetni problemi da resavaat.......
Daniel Glenn	quote: Originally posted by toni_a daniel moze li na makedonski da muabetime? mnogu vreme mi treba za tekstovi na angliski... Hi Tony, How about if you post in Macedonian and I respond in English? Would that be ok? Best regards, Daniel
Daniel Glenn	quote: Originally posted by Great_Macedonian Daniel, first of all while you are a guest in a MACEDONIAN FORUM stop reffering to our people as "SLAVIC"-macedonians, because we are nothing but plain simple MACEDONIANS. Second of all, your country Greece wants from us what we can not give away, that is- OUR IDENTITY! We are macedonians, we come from macedonia!... not our fault that half of macedonia is today OCCUPIED by greece "thanks" to the Bucharest treaty of 1913. We will never give up our souls to you ultra-nationalistic bastards.. further more, ima samo nesto sto mrazam poveke od grci, a toa e 'grkomani' (makedonci-prodaeni dusi) koj mislat deka se grci zasto grcija im go ispere mozokot. Ako me razbiras togas ti si eden od niv! Dear Great Macedonian, It is a paradoxical state of affairs when you address an American and accuse him of being a Greek "ultra nationalistic bastard". Never the less we (America that is) know we're moving in the right direction when both sides see us unfair.We never assumed that getting a balkan country and a mediterranean country on the negotiating table would be easy or immediatly productive. I would like to point out however that the innacuracy of your hostile remarks/assumptions speaks volumes about your willingness to see the world around you in it's true complexity.Perhaps this would be a good time for you to remedy this short-coming. Best regards, Daniel